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00:00We've waited nine months to go ahead and see what the Browns are going to do this year and I
00:04will
00:04tell you in the same way that I am being painted a hater with how we talk about the quarterback
00:10and
00:11that's fair I have effectively a very negative opinion of the Browns starting quarterback I get
00:16that I also get to be the homer today though because ESPN's power rankings came out and they
00:23have the Browns ranked 31st and I'm not here to tell you that the Browns should be in the top
00:2716
00:27I'm not here to tell you that the Browns are going to be a 10 win team this year but
00:33saying that they
00:34have they're starting the season as the second worst team in the NFL to me continues the trend
00:42of me thinking that people really haven't thought much about the Browns team and that pretty much
00:46everything that they think about any team in the NFL is derived almost exclusively from what they
00:50think of the quarterback position well yeah I mean that is a lot of it there's I mean there's no
00:53doubt
00:54there's a lot of what the what the quarterback position is is what it tells you about the teams
00:58in many ways that's why if you look at the teams that are at the bottom of it the Cardinals
01:01are
01:01there why because Jacoby Brissett's their quarterback the Titans are there why because Cam Ward in year
01:05one didn't look good and it doesn't seem like Dayball in year two is going to have many better
01:09why are the Raiders there it's because they're starting the season with Kirk Cousins and you don't
01:12know what Mendoza is going to be like a lot of this yeah a lot of this is stemmed from
01:16what your
01:16quarterback is and I think that's because there are playmakers on every team even bad teams have really
01:21good players on it no I think this is fair I think the difference is uh I don't think they
01:26should be
01:26looked at as the second worst team in the NFL going into the season I think that's actually
01:30I think for a team that was the sixth worst team in the NFL last year and I do think
01:35outside of
01:35every position not named quarterback looks to have gotten better I think that is wildly offensive
01:41I think they're trying to put the t-word on the Browns and I don't think the Browns
01:45are doing the t-word they might if you get to late November and you have two wins they might
01:51get to t-town as it were right trust in Todd might turn to trust in the tank a la
01:56the Raiders last
01:57year Munkin unfortunately is a part of this as well like why are the Titans ahead of the Browns in
02:01any
02:01of these rankings it's not because the defensive line additions they had this offseason it's probably
02:05because as as much as we don't think uh uh really anything of Robert Sala and Brian Dayball and that
02:10combo they they the national media thinks nothing of Todd Munkin yeah that's and which is ridiculous
02:16I'm sorry he's helped in the past couple weeks with having like a professional organization
02:20with his training camp but the national media doesn't think anything of Todd Munkin Todd Munkin
02:24deserved his first head coaching chance more than Robert Sala deserved a second and again I'm happy
02:30that guys are getting their second chances but like I just want to go through the teams that I think
02:34it's asinine are ranked ahead of the Browns okay uh the Cardinals have no business they they have
02:39significantly less talent and just as big a question marks at quarterback the Jets have I would say
02:45significantly less talent outside of Brees Hall and Garrett Wilson and their Geno Smith is their
02:52starting quarterback the Tennessee Titans should not be ahead of the Browns the Raiders should not
02:55be ahead of the Browns the Falcons should not be ahead of the Browns nor do I think by the
02:59way and
03:00actually like some of the pieces nor do I think should the Giants even though I think offensively
03:04they'll be a better team than the Browns I think the Browns at worst should be coming in right
03:09around 23 or 24 and I think putting them at 31 is predictable and lazy from again what I think
03:15has
03:15been over well like you I know you said people are down on Todd Munkin I don't think people have
03:20thought about Todd Munkin I think people in general just look at Deshaun and Shador and they go well you
03:25can't overcome that that's not how the NFL works teams do overcome bad quarterback play every year to
03:31be functional no but I think they looked at Todd Munkin and said he's like the 10th best in this
03:35coaching search and searching and searching higher and so uh they just the expectation is
03:40what the expectation is but I I was it's not that I disagree with you a hundred percent here it's
03:45not
03:45it I just I have no good defense for why we continue to be at the bottom of a lot
03:48of a lot of these
03:49rankings I would say the best I could come up with is that I think our defense if you if
03:53you have a top
03:54five defense in the NFL when this season is done then you shouldn't be the 31st uh where you know
03:58the
03:59second to last team in the NFL but we had one of the best defenses last season and we did
04:04end up
04:04with the sixth worst record so like like the I it's it's a it's a tug and pull that I
04:09can't win
04:09I just I just think people are wrong about the Browns and I don't have I mean again I can
04:14make
04:14the case but what you've said which is well but the Tennessee has Cam Ward and Carnell Tate it's
04:20like can't you see that's as much of not you specifically but can't they see that's as much
04:25of a projection as anything else is no Tennessee doesn't have the the players defensively that the
04:30Browns but if you go through the list though like the Raiders they'd say oh we got Brock Bowers
04:34one of the best tight ends in the game Max Crosby one of the best pass rushers in the game
04:37like
04:37I would say those guys had the number one pick last year and I actually do like Kirk Cousins with
04:42the Raiders by the way I think they might be competitive early but even like you brought the
04:46Falcons in play yeah people go Bijon's one of the best running backs in the game Drake London Kyle
04:50Pitts like there are there are good people a lot of these teams have defense completely fell apart
04:54yeah I'm not making a case that they're the greatest team that we're talking about bad teams for a
04:58reason but you can you can see how if you're going to highlight certain aspects of some of these
05:02teams every team has redeemable qualities same same with the Browns the Browns have redeemable
05:07qualities ours right now exists on the defensive side of the ball the offensive side of the ball
05:11and here's where I think you give them a little bit of a glow up and I also fall in
05:14this bucket as
05:14well but where the national media doesn't is we already think that Harold Fannin and uh and
05:20Quinshawn Judkins and then even Concepcion in Boston we already act as if they've made it and arrived
05:25these guys don't give us that benefit of the doubt yet they don't do that they say okay the defense
05:30is
05:30good offense has to show you year one year two a lot of these young players have to actually show
05:34it to you whereas I think we already give them the I know they're going to be good because we've
05:38been watching in training camp and we've been seeing it before everyone else now what I think is really
05:42interesting is that we have a Twitter poll up there right now at Nick Wilson says and it is ESPN
05:47ranked the Browns 31st in their power rankings that is too high too low or just right uh 42.6
05:54percent
05:54of 317 votes says just right and I think I think there's an obvious thing we can point to on
06:01why
06:01people think that's just right I think people are giving Deshaun Watson too much leeway here to wreck
06:07the Browns season I don't think it's going to happen because I do think the second that Deshaun
06:11shows that maybe he isn't capable of being the quarterback you can win with or certainly just
06:17not lose or not win in spite of I think the I think Todd Munkin specifically will have a much
06:23quicker hook than anyone realizes and then I think I'm not going to say the sky is the limit
06:27then I think things really open up for the Browns as the schedule continues to be the easiest schedule
06:33in the NFL I think the difference between the Browns and a lot of these other teams that we're
06:36talking about is it seems like to me the Browns have a chance to have the I don't know 15th
06:43to 20th
06:43best team in the NFL if everything breaks right and you get better quarterback play than you thought
06:46the offensive line is much better than people expect them to be and then Quinshawn can go and all this
06:51other stuff and so like there's I think that's higher than some of the other teams that we're
06:55talking about that are in 28 29 30 31 32 land I don't know why this bugs me so much
07:01I should be
07:02able to accept that most people just look at the quarterback position of which the starting
07:07quarterback I think next to nothing of at least for the two weeks of the season until we get you
07:12know like maybe a functional person in there uh and and then like I should just be able to accept
07:18this
07:18but for some reason I feel like I'm on a mission to civilize and educate people that it's going to
07:24be better than you think even if it's still not going to be better or and even if it's not
07:29all
07:29right you know what take two because I want a video of this I'm on a mission two for video
07:33no no I
07:34am not doing take twos for videos no we're not doing that remix oh my gosh no it's okay what
07:40have we
07:40become you're doing the show for the bots that's that's nobody does the show for the bots don't do it
07:45for the colorado logos no no no you're just doing it for the cu and the username the clicks oh
07:53he's
07:53got a buffalo logo he makes me so angry all right remix uh no damn it you you lost me
08:01I didn't lose
08:01you you lost you you lost you and all right I think we're losing people on this for it no
08:07no no
08:07you're not redoing it no no you're not gonna be as bad as you think you blew your chance you
08:14wait
08:15five minutes before you offer that thing up again and I'll let you stare at the camera and you can
08:18go
08:18after it all right all right here's the problem I'm having within your uh your your dissertation
08:23about how the browns are going to be better than people think it would be different if you'd sacked
08:27up and said like oh nine ten wins or something crazy but the reality is you're only saying seven or
08:32eight wins like like your your end goal your end goal is still what I consider to be a pretty
08:38crappy
08:38NFL season so like is there belief in this browns team or is it just kind of a well I
08:43I think they're
08:44going to be one or two games better than what you wins is more sacking I want credit for sacking
08:48up on
08:49this seven wins is not sacking up in no world the ultimate cleveland sports holder is five and a half
08:54the voice the voice of ope is saying five you're a game and a half over what vegas's expectations are
09:00this is not some sort of crazy out there show me somebody more bold no because listen if they if
09:05they win five games he has been saying they're the 31st best team in the NFL you and I'm not
09:10sacking
09:10up with seven games not sacking up it's on the table turn around and be like oh I got my
09:14tail
09:14between my legs I really thought they were going to be good if they have a five win season you're
09:17going to be like oh they were off by two games off by two games right there yeah but I
09:21don't have
09:22to worry about that because they're gonna be a seven or eight win team oh is that right yeah and
09:26then I'm gonna look at you okay and I'm gonna make you sit there in your wrongness I'm gonna make
09:29Ken and Lima sit in their wrongness I've said seven games for like six months I mean yeah it
09:35feels like you've softened well I do want to make an addendum at some point I have softened yeah I
09:39have I'm gonna live in this tell the people how flaccid you are right now I'm gonna live in the
09:42six game category when this is all said and done I watched a whole training camp oh you fence
09:46riding not fence riding that's fence riding six wins is fence riding not at all if seven wins
09:51isn't sacking up six wins is an active power higher I can't really go lower what are you
09:56talking about you can go to five you can go to seven you can go to four I believe in
09:59six the
10:00number is six I believe in six I believe you're I watch the preseason I watch what this team is
10:05gonna be I believe in six I don't believe in five I don't believe in seven you and I hate
10:09when other
10:10people do is what it is you're trying to be uh you're trying to be what you think has the
10:15best
10:15chance of being right as opposed to what you actually think is gonna happen sometimes those
10:18things can coexist now sometimes what I think is gonna be right is also what I believe and this is
10:23this is how this plays out you just downgraded the Browns to a category six win we got six nope
10:27no we got six no scruples what a fence riding oh yeah because you're so far above it's seven get
10:33out of here what are you talking about that takes a lot more scruples than six wins such stones putting
10:37a seven win team and then you're the only person in the city that believes in them when it's a
10:41seven
10:42win projection are you kidding me name name another person that has seven wins seven wins name another
10:47person on this station that has the sack to say seven wins earl the pearl okay weekday give me
10:53weekday give me volnick give me basket and phelps give me lima ken i haven't canvassed everyone i don't
10:59know where everyone stands i'm gonna everyone's right around five or six wins and and when you get
11:04five or six and it happens you're gonna be like oh geez i was right there no i was right
11:08there no when
11:08it's seven wins i'm gonna tell you to suck it i need a tail between the legs like shoot this
11:13team
11:13didn't do anything that i thought they were going to do prediction out of you no no because
11:18you might as well be living it you sit there on your fence of shame it's no and then try
11:23and go
11:23it's a decision that was made the guy that's like oh they're really a nine win team no i've already
11:28got the sack of the station there's no sack you're sitting with the one game you're one game higher
11:32than i'm not gonna hear somebody that you think doesn't have any stones to begin with and you're a
11:36whopping one game higher it's five and a half wins and you've got a half win on them way to
11:42be brave
11:43you have a game and a half i already made this point to you three minutes ago point is i
11:46made
11:46the point to you three minutes ago i'm the i'm not trying to say i told you so i'm not
11:52building
11:52anything off of i was the only one that believed in the browns the entire offseason i'm not building
11:57that take i'm building the solid tank of a jeez six wins they they're gonna suck and we're gonna
12:03hate every minute of it but you're probably gonna stumble in a couple wins i can't wait until they
12:07get to that seventh win six congratulations shove your nose and if you end up with seven and you
12:12out for years you out beat it by a game i was right about the browns last year did you
12:17really
12:17win i was right about the browns last year i'm gonna be right about the browns again accomplishment
12:21and you are gonna have that's embarrassing to you on your nose that's embarrassing to the city of
12:25cleveland that's embarrassing to professional football yeah that you think that seven wins
12:29is some sort of putting it out there mentality what are you talking about is saying it with your
12:34chest what are you talking about i'm not saying it with my chest i'm not out here making big
12:39proclamations as if i'm saying it while sucking in your chest as if i'm the only person why i've
12:42lost that fence can't support support your girth there's no there's no fence that's written here
12:47i said six wins it's fence riding that's not that is the epitome of fence riding how there's no
12:53there it's what i think is five and a half so the true cowards in this town are five or
12:59six win
12:59people saying it on the air i don't think it's cowardice i think it's cowardice to act like you
13:03believe in this team and then say four wins and put their it's cowardice to act like you believe
13:08in this team greater than everybody else and the best you can do is seven wins that's cowardice in
13:13my opinion no no no no that's actually saying it with your chest and that's saying what you think
13:17no no no seven wins sucks mr six seven wins gets you for you you're still a top 10 pick
13:22in the nfl
13:23draft and you have seven wins you're 10 to 13 you're somewhere around there closer to 13 or 14
13:28thank you very much oh please oh please i come on what are we what are we talking about seven
13:32wins baby
13:33seven wins you're not even you're not even sniffing 500 here's the thing here's what i hate
13:37about you about you ring chasing bastards the only thing that matters for 90 of sports talk
13:44hacks is you got to be really bad or really good bro no no there's a whole midsection of the
13:50nfl
13:50which is where the browns are going to live this year and yes staring down the barrel of a four
13:55win
13:55season stinks seven wins is manageable eight wins is the freaking shangri-la after the last couple
14:03years we've had to deal with it's not the shangri-la it sucks it's it's eight wins it's not
14:08there's nothing impressive about it it's definitely not this and it's not and there's nothing that is
14:13impressive about saying they're going to win seven games 2-1-6-4-7-4 sack up and put a
14:17real
14:18prediction on it my goodness yeah mister you don't get to do the victory laps if i was the only
14:22one that
14:22said this team yes i do i believe in this team and this team has something that no no no
14:26not at seven
14:27wins you don't get to decide that i already know the people decide i already did and the people are
14:31going to see a man saying seven wins and everyone else being in six wins are less cowardice yeah we're
14:36a game apart in our predictions yet i'm the coward and you're the one with the sack on you get
14:39that
14:40is true that is true it's a game apart that is true johnny vegas over here really stepping on a
14:45limb one's a fence rider and one is apparently the boldest human to ever live and when when one when
14:49you get when they get to uh seven wins you'll be like well i was one off what happens i
14:53was right
14:53there too what happens if it lands on six what's that what's that reaction then you know what's
14:57going to be i'm going to be like oh yeah oh predictable okay great yeah all right and then i'll
15:01say
15:01i'll say jonathan there's four games left in the season you're going to bring out a confetti cannon
15:05and act as if like this was the greatest thing the browns have ever accomplished and you were
15:08somehow the seer among seers and the prognosticators prognosticators to go ahead and figure it all out
15:12finally get back around to the massive difference