00:00In the timeout, we were talking about Penn State because here's been my opinion on Joe Paterno.
00:07Joe Paterno loved me, and I had a great relationship with him after the 87 Fiesta Bowl.
00:14But my opinion with this was, Armin, I never held him responsible, but I held him accountable.
00:21It's his program.
00:23I mean, his name's on the marquee.
00:26Whatever goes on there, you're accountable for that, dude.
00:30I mean, I don't, you know, how did you look at it?
00:34And I know that this is going to be in the book as well.
00:37I did 75 stories for CBS News involving the Sandusky from really the beginning of the story with the indictment
00:46when that news broke right up through the trial.
00:50And when Joe passed away, I did an obit on him, and I covered the trial in Pennsylvania for the
00:57network.
00:59I mean, there was no question that the administration from the president on down were aware of allegations that Sandusky
01:09was having inappropriate behavior with young boys,
01:13going back 10 years before the actual story broke, and Paterno was aware of it.
01:22You can, when, when they did, when Louis Free did the investigation and came out with the report, clearly from
01:32the internal memos and emails that the administration was aware of it and tried to cover it up.
01:39And they covered it up because, for one basic reason, to protect the brand.
01:43And that, to me, was beyond criminal.
01:47And I sat in a courtroom when those young boys, who were then 10 years old and now 18 or
01:5320 years old, were recalling their experiences with Sandusky, and you could hear a pin drop.
01:59And when they weren't crying, and they were pouring their hearts out about the abuse and how it started and
02:06how they were groomed.
02:07So I didn't hold a lot of sympathy for the We Are Penn State crowd.
02:13And, you know, Happy Valley is a very sheltered, very cloistered kind of environment.
02:19And I can understand when you're there, Penn State is everything.
02:22But when that broke, and you had national reporters from everywhere, it was a travesty beyond belief.
02:31And I don't have, my sympathy goes for those survivors, those young boys.
02:38And I have none, zero, for anybody at Penn State that was involved in this, including Paterno.
02:45What do you think of Joe Paterno?
02:48I mean, Joe was Joe Paterno.
02:49I mean, he was, you know, he was St. Joe.
02:52And for a very good reason.
02:54I mean, he won more football games than anybody else.
02:56He did it the right way.
02:57He believed in athletics and academics as, you know, as an equal part of the equation.
03:04You could go on forever with the kind of athletes and the kind of men that he produced out of
03:09that program.
03:09But that doesn't, and I would say that Mike McQuarrie, who will be in this book, in this memoir, you
03:20talk about a person that life, his life was basically destroyed.
03:25Certainly his professional life was destroyed and a large part of his personal life, his marriage fell apart.
03:32You know, he was forced to sue the university in order to get not only his back pay, but he
03:37got almost, in the end, almost 10, more than $10 million from the university.
03:41So if you're talking about victims in that case, I would say the survivors themselves.
03:46And then, you know, Mike McQuarrie was the one who blew the whistle and it cost him almost everything for
03:51his career, no doubt.
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