00:00Do you think college football's in a good place right now?
00:03No.
00:04And I think right now the money, there's no control of the money.
00:08There's outside influences.
00:10You know, there's supposed to be a revenue cap,
00:12and people are blowing right past it with third-party NIL.
00:16And I think that's why, you know, the Saving College Sports Act,
00:20I think, is really, really important,
00:21because it gets the things that coaches want to kind of get control of.
00:26And it gives the NCAA antitrust protection.
00:29And the College Sports Commission, the problem is,
00:32and I was on a call with Ted Cruz back in March,
00:34and I asked him point blank, you know,
00:36will Congress give antitrust protection to a Super League of 40 teams or 45 teams?
00:42And they said, absolutely not.
00:43So I think anybody that thinks that, you know,
00:47if the Big Ten, the SEC form a Super League,
00:50you know, it might be great,
00:51but they're going to be in litigation over and over and over again.
00:54And I don't necessarily know that, you know,
00:56limiting the number of teams that play at the highest level is going to be good for the game.
01:00I think college football is great when there is really outstanding,
01:05exciting college football in every corner of this country.
01:08And, you know, if this had happened back in the early 70s,
01:12a school like Miami may not have been in that Super League.
01:15You never know.
01:16A school like SMU right now is making investments,
01:19and they're in the ACC.
01:21Now, who knows where they're going to be in 10 years?
01:22So why would we want to stifle that?
01:25So I think that's really important.
01:27The thing about this bill is it's not perfect.
01:29Everybody knows that.
01:30But when you get a Democrat like Maria Cantwell from Washington
01:35and Ted Cruz from Texas,
01:36and I give them all the credit in the world for working together on this,
01:39they're going to, there's going to be some,
01:41they all have to give something to get something.
01:43And I think that's what everybody has to understand.
01:45And that's why this bill is probably,
01:47you have two options right now.
01:48Do nothing and allow this uncontrolled spending and litigation,
01:52just keeping going from judgment to judgment,
01:56and let the spending go out of control,
01:58or you have, you start down this process.
02:01And this is not, this legislation would not be the end-all,
02:04be-all of everything.
02:05There would be adjustments as we go.
02:07Are you a fan of nil?
02:09Do you think nil's good for the sport?
02:12I mean, you know, back in the day,
02:13if you transferred in a lot of colleges,
02:16and your pop, I don't remember really Penn State
02:18ever taking any transfers during your pop's time.
02:23I don't think that that was something that you guys did a lot of.
02:27First and foremost, would your dad have used it
02:30if it was applied during his time?
02:33And do you like the transfer portal right now?
02:37Well, I think the reality is this.
02:39We've got to get to where it makes sense for a kid to transfer.
02:42And now it's, well, this school's going to offer me more money.
02:46I'm going to go.
02:46And that's not good for the, at the end of the day,
02:48this is college football.
02:50And when you look at the graduation rates,
02:52they drop from 72% for guys that don't transfer
02:56to 32% the guys that do transfer.
02:59So, I mean, you know, the graduation piece of it is taking a backseat.
03:04But I think there has to be some, you know,
03:07when a school's investing in you with scholarship,
03:09with revenue sharing and putting training into you
03:13and nutrition and academic support and all that kind of stuff,
03:16there should be kind of a two-way.
03:17Oh, you want to transfer.
03:18And the bill that's in the Senate right now
03:21allows you to transfer once.
03:22And then the second time,
03:24there are rules that kick in like they used to be.
03:26So, I think that's a good compromise.
03:28In terms of the NIL stuff, you know, if NIL's real,
03:33I mean, originally this rule was to be like
03:36someone like a Caitlin Clark State Farm back when she was playing
03:39says we're going to get a benefit from paying Caitlin Clark
03:42to represent our company.
03:44What a lot of it turned into is what we call synthetic NIL,
03:48which is really pay to play.
03:50And you're not really, it's just,
03:52hey, we're going to throw a million dollars at this guy
03:54and he'll tweet twice a month.
03:55And we'll say that that's, you know,
03:57he's tweeting twice a month that's worth a million bucks.
03:59You and I both know that's not worth a million bucks.
04:03Absolutely not here.
04:05Would you like to see the college football 12-team tournament,
04:08would you like to see that thing expanded to 24?
04:12Not yet.
04:13No.
04:13I mean, 20.
04:14Look, if we are talking 16,
04:18I think that's a conversation to have.
04:21But I still think I wouldn't expand the playoff
04:24until the players are in the room having a discussion
04:27because at the end of the day, they bear the brunt of this.
04:30If you looked at Fernando Mendoza last year
04:32and said to him after that Miami game
04:34and the game he had before that,
04:37and said, oh, can you play one or two more?
04:39He might look at you like he got three heads
04:41because he took a beating.
04:43Michael Penix against Michigan walked off that field
04:46and they lost.
04:47But, I mean, had they won that game,
04:48he's barely holding up his arm.
04:50And you say you got one more game to go.
04:52So I think we ought to at least have the players in the room
04:55before we do that.
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