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00:17Welcome to the show, and welcome to Ellie Goulding.
00:25I heard what you said, just as I was tasting freedom, don't want the pills, but you kinda
00:37make me think I need them, I'm trying to be a Hollywood baby, cause you made me think
00:44that London hates me, I'm trying my best, I'm trying to escape this feeling in my head,
00:55you're in my mind, you're everywhere, like all the time, is this the way it's supposed
01:02to be? It doesn't feel like love to me.
01:21Thought you'd tell me that I'm pretty, then you say it's just the last, always saying
01:26something shitty, after saying something nice, you know every single button to press, only
01:32me, you could call me trashy in my black collar dress.
01:35You're in my head, you're in my mind, you're everywhere, like all the time, is this the way it's supposed
01:45to be? It doesn't feel like love to me.
01:50It doesn't feel like love to me.
01:53It doesn't feel like love to me.
02:01Oh, get out my head, get out my mind, goodbye, tonight just said, it doesn't feel like love,
02:14be like love to me.
02:17Tastes the fire of my time, arms up high to leave me young, tonight is mine.
02:26The mist of masterpiece.
02:29It doesn't feel like love to me.
02:33Like love to me.
02:36It doesn't feel like love to me
02:39Doesn't feel like love, feel like love
02:43It doesn't feel like love
02:45It doesn't feel like love to me
02:50It doesn't feel like love to me
02:54It doesn't feel like love to me
02:59Oh yeah, my head, get out of my mind
03:03Good night, goodbye, tonight just say
03:07It doesn't feel like love, feel like love
03:12It doesn't feel like love, like love to me
03:25It doesn't feel like love, like love
03:46Thank you, Ellie Goulden
03:52A room full of wonderful guests this evening, from Margate, it's Pigeon
04:00From Ladbroke Grove, we welcome Courtney Pine
04:05From Duran Duran, our old friend, Simon Le Bon
04:10From Manchester, Westside Cowboy
04:14From also, Wesley Joseph
04:20But now, from Nashville, it's Mitski
04:28Where did it go?
04:32Where's my home?
04:36Where's my home?
04:40Where did I leave?
04:45Where did I go?
04:48Where did I go?
04:56A woman always on the street called me a bitch
05:00A ditch on a block, she'd say
05:03I just wanted my mind to be a clear glass, clear glass with nothing in my head
05:11I keep thinking, surely somebody will save me
05:14At every time I won't let no one win
05:17I just wanted my mind to be a clear glass, clear glass with nothing in my head
05:24Oh, where did I go?
05:32Where did I go?
05:35Where did I fall?
05:40Where's my home, where's my home
05:52If night is like we punched a hole into tomorrow
05:55I would fuck the hole, no
06:00Locked me out until my mind is not the clear
06:02That's clear, that's what nothing's going on
06:06You're all like a bird floating in the melted empty
06:10Have a sweet child, let's go, yeah
06:14I would float into my mind, it's like a P-O-X
06:17P-O-X locked in the door
06:20P-O-X locked in the door
06:24Ba-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da
06:34-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da
06:48-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da
06:53-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da
06:53-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da
06:53-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da
07:35Thanks, Midski.
07:40And now, over in this corner, we welcome a legend of British jazz and a dear old friend of mine,
07:46the wonderful Mr. Courtney Pyne.
07:48So good to see you. How are you?
07:50Good to see you. Very nice to see you.
07:54Good to be here.
07:55Good to be here.
07:55Now, first of all, congratulations, because you're marking 40 years in music.
08:0040 years?
08:00Yes.
08:01You sure that's right? That's not a typo.
08:02I think that's right.
08:03It can't be 40 years. Why has the time gone so quickly?
08:05I don't know where it's gone. I don't control that part.
08:08But you've put a special record out, Out of the Ghetto, a modern-day jazz story.
08:12Wow.
08:12It's got lots of things on it, hasn't it, from all the work over the years?
08:15Over 40 years, I've had the chance to traverse the galaxy and meet so many different types of music, from
08:22Brian Ferry to Mick Jagger to Soul to Soul.
08:26So many various artists who have their different isms and schisms, but the main thing that I've got from playing
08:31jazz is to look at the audience, catch the vibe, and explore that.
08:36And that's what I've been doing. I've been exploring so many different vibes that I'm into, and it can all
08:42be reflected in jazz, whether it's hip-hop, whether it's drum and bass.
08:46It doesn't really matter, as long as you get that communication with the audience.
08:50Well, I think you have done it. You spent 40 years doing it. In fact, your debut album, Journey to
08:55the Urge Within, remarkably got into the Pop 40.
08:58Outrageous.
08:58Which is quite, at that time, unbelievable.
09:00Unbelievable.
09:00Our other guest, Simon Le Bonho, is who we love, but the lot of a chance was that. It's popular
09:05music.
09:05But to get a jazz album in the charts then, what a thing.
09:08Well, I just thought that jazz should be given a chance, and I went with an amazing record label called
09:13Island Records, because of Bob Marley, Ernest Wranglin, because of what Island Records' repertoire meant to me as a youngster.
09:22And I used to go to the Notting Hill Carnival and feel that vibe. And it was just, it just
09:26made sense to go with a record label that had no boundaries.
09:29You know, they didn't care. The year I signed, Julian Cope, remember Julian?
09:34Yes.
09:34The Teardrop Explodes, The Christians, and myself. That was, that was a label for that year.
09:40And, as far as they were concerned, if Julian didn't want to do an interview, I would turn up and
09:44do it.
09:45And out of it, he wasn't coming today, was he?
09:48Oh, baby, he's behind me.
09:50There's a lot of great new British jazz artists.
09:52Absolutely.
09:53Ezra Collector, Ernie Berg, Garcia, Joe Webb, Moses.
09:55And you've had some on the show.
09:57Yeah, loads of them. There's loads of them. What do you make of them?
09:59Absolutely buzzed by them. The energy that they're showing, they're telling stories.
10:04Just in the way that pop stars are able to tell stories.
10:08Because in jazz, you play through the repertoire. You play through Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker, Ella Fitzgerald.
10:14You play through this repertoire and then eventually you get to your own sound.
10:17But these guys are telling their own stories right now.
10:20And where does jazz start for you? What's the first jazz that you ever heard and you realised, hang on,
10:24this is a thing?
10:25The first jazz I heard, I didn't even realise it was jazz. It was Scar.
10:29I didn't even realise that what these guys were doing was jazz.
10:34So when I found out who these guys were, Ernest Wranglin, who produced My Boy Lollipop, Tommy McCook, Roland Alfonso,
10:41Rico, Scatterlites.
10:43Oh, fantastic.
10:43When I realised who these people were, they were jazz musicians at night and then they would do sessions creating
10:50blue beat, scar and reggae music.
10:52So that's the first sound that I heard that made me think, oh, you can improvise infinite.
10:58Yeah. Now, of course, one of the greatest artists of all time is somebody who we both like very much.
11:03Of course, it's Duke Ellington.
11:04Oh, absolutely.
11:05And in lots of ways, he's born in 1899 and he had this fantastic career of music, always reinventing things,
11:12always making something new.
11:13And it has a beautiful, not only sound, but also the way he talks about things, very eloquent.
11:18He talks about composing as dreaming and playing music as dreaming.
11:23You know, there's not many artists who think, oh, I'm actually dreaming and I'm going to make a sound out
11:27of it.
11:28They think, oh, this is a nine to five. I'm going to practise my scales.
11:30But Duke Ellington found a way to interface with the audience.
11:34Whatever was going on in the audience, he embraced that.
11:38He actually took that into his compositions and made it so powerful.
11:42We're actually still playing his music to this day.
11:44Exactly.
11:45We're going to play something in a minute, but I was looking into, I don't think what we're going to
11:48play,
11:48because you've mentioned this song, but he recorded a piece in 1940 called Never Know Lament.
11:54And then in 1942, a man called Bob Russell added the lyric to it, which was,
11:58Don't Get Around Much Anymore, which is one of the most famous jazz standards.
12:02And the interesting thing I learned today by looking it up on my phone is that Bob,
12:06the last song Bob Russell wrote was, He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother for the Hollies.
12:10Oh, my goodness.
12:11What a span.
12:11What a span.
12:12What a great lyric.
12:14Yeah.
12:14Win, win, win.
12:15But the Duke Ellington piece was actually composed in 1940, and it was composed for women,
12:23because all the men had gone to the war, and there were women were left at home,
12:28and they didn't get out to the dancers.
12:30Oh.
12:31So don't get around much anymore.
12:33It's because they couldn't get out.
12:34Yeah.
12:34There's no guys to take them out.
12:36So we'll recreate that tonight.
12:38Thank you for joining us, the wonderful Courtney Pine.
12:42See you very much.
12:44Yeah, good to see you.
12:46Courtney Pine.
12:46Now, over to this corner, a band who formed in lovely Margate Kent,
12:52performing Miami from their first album, Outer National.
12:56Please welcome Pidgin.
12:57Thank you, everybody.
13:16pain Thank
13:32I just woke up this morning, I saw a fly going to Miami, after placing it in my garden, I
13:47just broke my ticket.
14:17Yes!
14:29If you close your eyes, it's just like Miami, pink hotel pantries, lizard ice cream, hot damn skin, hot damn
14:44sun, hot damn skin.
14:48Hot damn sun, it is bright, it is bad, it is the sun, it is the sun.
15:01That is it so Miami, that is it so Miami, that is it so Miami, that is it so Miami.
15:12Come on, let go. Come on, let go. Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami.
15:25Come on, let go. Come on, let go. Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami.
15:38F, I, A, F, I.
15:52Everybody!
15:54F, I, A, F, I.
15:58F, I, F, I.
16:03F, I, F, I.
16:19F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I.
16:48F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I,
17:04F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I,
17:04F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I,
17:05F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I,
17:05F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I,
17:05F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F, I, F
19:23What a pleasure.
19:24It is always a pleasure to play with this man.
19:27Our tribute to the one and only Maharaja of good taste, the legendary Duke Ellington, thank you, the wonderful Courtney
19:33Pine.
19:38Next, a Manchester quartet performing a song from their forthcoming album, It Goes On.
19:43Please welcome Westside Cowboy.
22:54Oh, the blue
22:57Beautiful
22:59Oh, the golden sky
23:03Oh, the golden sky
23:09Oh, the golden sky
23:15The boys are gonna stay
23:20The boys are gonna stay
23:23The boys are gonna stay
23:27The boys are gonna stay
23:33The boys are gonna stay
23:40The boys are gonna stay
23:40The boys are gonna stay
23:41The boys are gonna stay
23:42The boys are gonna stay
23:42The boys are gonna stay
23:51First side cowboy
23:57Very nicely done and now a world icon of British popular music the man from Duran Duran we welcome Simon
24:04Le Bon
24:11So it's great to have you back on the show
24:13Thank you, and you've got a wonderful new song out, but Duran has a wonderful new song
24:17Yeah, free to love which we're going to see in a moment, but tell us about the song who wrote
24:23it and what inspired it?
24:25Well, it started off as a little Niall Rogers riff that we had and it was knocking around
24:31just just maybe five minutes of it just the riff and and then he got drums and bass and
24:38John I went into the studio and built a song around it, and then Nick came in and did his
24:43magic
24:45It's about
24:47Being free from fear
24:50That's what it is to be able to love and it's very simple
24:53We just wanted to lift ourselves and as many other people as we could up great
24:59Well, very commendable and to help you you've got no I'll just for me
25:03No, I'll is amazing. Yeah, well, you know we've we've had an amazing relationship with now
25:07That goes back to when he did a remix of the reflex
25:11And he calls us his other band
25:16And we've we've we've we've we've had ups and downs with Niall and but we've made great music together
25:22Well, we think we have anyway in a moment. We're gonna see this video for the song
25:26It's a fantastic or pastiche top of the pops yeah Thursday night legs and co pans people the lot
25:33Completely different world. I mean music was completely different that wasn't it do you think yeah?
25:38I think it was there was there weren't so many bands around there weren't so many acts
25:41There was a lot more attention and top of the pops had this it was it was very special because
25:46it was the focus of
25:48everybody's attention in the in sort of modern music in this country and
25:53We just wanted to to relive it a little bit. Yeah, anyway, we're not gonna see this fantastic free to
26:00love
26:00Let's have a look at it now
26:01We're under no illusion
26:05Chasing the dream and all the confusion
26:10There's no substitution
26:13There's no substitution
26:13To be the best that we can be
26:17Be free to win or lose
26:22Do what you want to do
26:26Be free to see it through
26:31Out there and free to love
26:37Thank you
26:40All the costumes all of the things very good very good at that time
26:44Duran Duran have been together now for 40 years
26:46You sold over a hundred million records worldwide next month you're going on the road including headlining the British summertime
26:52at Hyde Park
26:53Yeah
26:54Sorry, I've been told I have to plug some shows
26:57Well, I've done that for you
26:59No, no this one's coming in in October. We're playing in
27:04Belfast
27:05Glasgow
27:07Liverpool
27:08Leeds
27:09Birmingham and finishing off on Halloween at the O2
27:13It must be a joy still to keep performing live
27:15It's it's funny. I mean I
27:17People have asked me a lot. Did you think you'd be doing this when you were
27:22As old as I am
27:25And
27:26I
27:27We didn't really think about what we were going to be doing
27:30But now we're here. We're in the place that we're at
27:33It's the it's the thing that keeps us
27:36Excited and
27:37Gets us out and gets us up and gets us in the studio
27:41We love going on stage and playing our shows
27:44Music's a great thing, but what's the key to you sticking together in your longevity?
27:47Because often bands argue they split up on one person, you know
27:50Um
27:52I think the big thing is that we split all the income equally
27:59It really does make a difference
28:01No arguments
28:02Yeah, well, yeah, so um
28:04It sounds banal, but it's really I think that's the main thing
28:08Yeah, and we feel equal and
28:11And we like what we can do together
28:13Yeah, yeah, and equally in your input because you're making the whole you are making the whole thing together
28:17Yeah, yeah, but it's great. It's great to have you here. Thank you
28:20Let me reiterate you are doing lots of shows including the ones in October
28:24And in Hyde Park in the summer the wonderful Simon Le Bon. Thank you so much
28:29It's great to see you
28:30And so now with Pluto baby from the excellent album forever ends someday
28:36We will please welcome Wesley Joseph
28:44Yeah
28:46Uh-huh
28:49Worldwide
28:51From the sideline
28:54In the sideline
28:57Yeah
28:57Yeah
28:58Yeah
28:58Yeah
28:59Yeah
29:00Yeah
29:00Yeah
29:02When the lights come on and you don't even like who you see
29:06And the walls are shouting
29:08It was all for sure
29:13She said, I'll never beat her
29:15And I care, but I'll never see you then
29:18I swear, she called and she pulled you where for
29:21Oh, oh
29:21Oh, oh
29:23Three steps, come on for the way
29:24And I'm looking at the shoulders turn
29:28Three steps coming on my own when I seen all my lonesome
29:33Who's there when I feel the doors in the bottom we were seeing just one
29:38Oh, oh
29:38She's there when I never know
29:40I was going through the motions
29:42Yeah
29:44Yeah
29:44It's the show
29:45You see it like me
29:47Oh, no
29:48Oh, oh
29:50Oh, oh
29:51Oh, oh
29:52Oh, oh
30:05Living on my mind. I'm a sincere bonafide and I'm wasting time on the empty on the floor on the
30:10foot of town
30:12See you see the shine. I got loose feelings that I left on the temple
30:16I got loose feelings I flick in the end
30:19I'm missing when the hearts beat living in crescendos. Then she told me softly that it's so pretend
30:24No, I think the floor spinning so we step on the ceiling when I'm near you ain't no room for
30:28innocence left
30:29He was on the low never told us against the globe for when I see y'all miss the way
30:33his skin is under
30:34And she said I'll never be there and I care but I'll never see them
30:40I swear that you come and she go, you're where for?
30:44Three steps come through the wind. I'm looking at the shoulders tight
30:49Three steps coming on my arm when I see all my long sun
30:55When freedom goes in the corner, we was in your skirt
31:00She said I'll never know
31:05I'm not sure
31:07I'm not sure
31:08I'm not sure
31:08Is she a light fiend?
31:09Oh no
31:11I'm not sure
31:12Is she like me?
31:14Oh no
31:15Three steps coming through the wind. I feel like you know me
31:21Oh no, you know
31:22Oh no, you know
31:25Oh no, you know
31:27Oh no, you know
31:29Yeah, all night long
31:31Oh no, you know
31:33Oh no, you know
31:56Wesley Joseph
32:02Now I'm delighted to welcome to the piano, Ellie Goulding
32:07Lovely to see you
32:11So congratulations on your excellent new album, I Know Too Much
32:15Where does the title come from?
32:17Oh my gosh, I have a song on the album called I Know Too Much
32:21And it's probably the most on this song I've written
32:25And it's kind of, it is what it is, you know, I Know Too Much
32:29And it's kind of tongue-in-cheek, but also just, I don't know
32:33Some kind of comment on everything, on my life so far
32:36And music and, yeah
32:40I couldn't think of a more apt title for everything that I'm singing about
32:43So it's just like, I do know too much, way too much
32:46What do you know too much about?
32:48A little bit of that
32:51I mean, I think we all know too much at this point
32:54I think we are being forced to know too much
32:57And so it's kind of, I guess, like a comment on everything
33:00On just too much information, but also
33:02Knowing too much that it's, like, dangerous or something
33:07I don't know
33:07Yeah
33:08Yeah
33:08A lot of information, not a lot of knowledge
33:10You know what I mean
33:11Yeah, too much knowledge
33:12Too much stuff
33:13Yeah
33:14Yeah
33:14It's a great record, but also I should say
33:16You just had a baby in March a few months ago
33:19I have a nine-week-old
33:20Congratulations
33:20Yay
33:21A nine-week-old baby
33:24Fantastic
33:24Great news
33:25Thank you
33:26Thank you
33:26And also, congratulations that you are able to have the energy
33:29To get out and perform
33:31How is it?
33:32I hope it's not too much
33:32No, it's the thing that keeps me going, you know
33:34I, uh, I got back in the studio again
33:37I have, I have two now
33:38So, um, the first time I went back in the studio
33:41And I, I was kind of a robot
33:43I made this album called Higher Than Heaven
33:45And I don't remember it
33:47And I think any woman that's had a baby can relate to that
33:51Postnatal, like, phase of like
33:52What the hell just happened to me?
33:55Um, and so I wrote all this music
33:57And, uh, I call it kind of like, you know
33:59Someone heard a song from it the other day
34:01And was like
34:01I thought this was AI
34:03You know, that's the new thing
34:04And I'm like, no
34:05Well, it's kind of
34:07Because I was kind of a robot
34:08I didn't really know what I was doing at the time
34:09But anyway, now I'm much more human
34:12And I know, uh, I've sort of done it already
34:14So this time around I'm a lot more equipped, I suppose
34:17To, um, to get back into that mindset
34:19More HR, higher human intelligence
34:21Exactly
34:21That's what we need
34:23That's what we need, yeah
34:23And am I right in thinking that classical music
34:25Has it been an early influence for you?
34:28Yeah, between, I mean, I grew up
34:30My mum brought me up on, um, really dance and rave music
34:34And I discovered classical music when I was 11 or 12
34:37I played clarinet in an orchestra
34:39And then I started playing guitar
34:40But, um, it was this one CD my grandfather gave me
34:44That was just a classical CD
34:45And that, those songs became the kind of
34:48I guess, anti-anxiety, um, soundtrack for me
34:51And still is
34:53Um, so I listen to classical all day, every day
34:55I play it to my baby
34:56Wow, that's great
34:58It's got a great show on Radio 3
35:00Earlier with Jules Holland
35:01All the best people come on it
35:02Will you come on as a guest and chat about that?
35:04I'd bloody love to
35:04I'd bloody love to
35:05I'd be a perfect guest to hear about the tracks
35:07That your grandfather gave you
35:08I would love that, I would love that
35:09And you're also, speaking of earlier music
35:11You first came on the show, I think, in 2009
35:15It's one of my earliest anxious moments
35:18I was going to say happy memories, anxious moments
35:20No, it was happy because I was so
35:22I was so happy to be on the show
35:24It was, I was just like, I've made it
35:25Oh my God, I've made it
35:27Um, and, uh, you know, I grew up watching it
35:29I discovered some of my favourite artists
35:31You had Yasmin Levy on the show when I was on
35:33You had Wild Beasts, the band
35:35Um, who sadly aren't together anymore
35:36But I love them so much
35:37Please get back together if you're watching this
35:39Um, and, uh, and yeah
35:41And I was so nervous, though
35:43I don't remember it
35:43I've never watched it back
35:45Um, I had my hood up
35:47I was so shy
35:48And, um, it was, yeah
35:50So it's nice to be back in a slightly calmer capacity
35:53Yeah
35:53Well, a lot of your early hits
35:55Are having a huge new lease of life
35:57Because they appear on YouTube
35:59Or social media things
36:00And have brought you a whole new audience
36:01Isn't it?
36:02How does that work?
36:02Well, just, I just
36:04I've discovered that I've got younger
36:06Like, my friends' kids will
36:08They'll say to their, like, my friends
36:10Um, oh, yeah, I love Ellie
36:12I love that song from TikTok
36:13And that's what they, you know
36:15That's how they know me
36:16And it's amazing
36:17I mean, you know, love it or hate it
36:18Like, I feel like it gives
36:20It breathes new life into
36:22Older songs that were made
36:23That maybe were part, you know
36:25Um, came and went
36:27And, um, now having this new
36:28Kind of lease of life
36:29So I think it's amazing
36:30Yeah, bring music to a new generation of people
36:32It's great to have you
36:33What are you going to be performing for us
36:34Uh, in a moment
36:35Uh, I'm going to sing
36:36Another new song
36:37It's called
36:38Four Seasons
36:39Um, it's quite good, I think
36:41I heard it earlier
36:42It's fantastic
36:43Thank you
36:43Thank you very much for joining us
36:44Ellie Goulding
36:45Thank you
36:45Thank you for having me
36:49Wonderful
36:49Ellie Goulding
36:50And now
36:50With another wonderful song
36:52From her top four album
36:54Nothing's About to Happen to Me
36:56Please welcome back
36:57Mitski
37:11How do I let our love die
37:16When you're the only other keeper
37:23Of my most precious memory
37:29Yeah
37:35I've been drinking
37:41Why is that guy to me
37:46I can't call you
37:49But you and me
37:52Cause I'll do anything
38:01For you to love me again
38:09If you don't like me now
38:17I will change for you
38:32Bars
38:35Such magic places
38:41You can be with other people
38:46Without having anyone at all
38:53But now
38:57They say they're closing
39:03So I'm lighter in outside
39:08Watching all the cars passing by
39:14Like a kid waiting for my ride
39:25I'll do anything
39:29For you to love me again
39:37If you don't like me now
39:45I will change for you
39:52Oh change for you
40:12Thank you
40:19Thank you to all of my wonderful guests this evening.
40:24Let's finish with the wonderful, Ellie Goulding.
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