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People Magazine Investigates: Surviving a Serial Killer - Season 2 Episode 1 - Surviving the Butcher Baker
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00:01By all appearances, Robert C. Hansen led an ordinary life.
00:04He owned a bakery near downtown.
00:06He was a family man who liked to hunt and liked to fly.
00:09He confessed to 17 murders, a figure even the police hadn't guessed at.
00:14In the 70s and 80s, serial killer Robert Hansen carried out a reign of terror
00:18in one of the most remote parts of the country, the Alaskan wilderness.
00:22He became known as the Butcher Baker.
00:25Once Rachel, you want some sex for money, then I guess you can call him a cold-blooded killer.
00:32How often do you find a map that the murderer made?
00:39When his victims tried to escape, he'd hunt them for sport.
00:49There was nowhere for him to go that he couldn't find them out here.
00:52For the first time ever, his sole survivor is sharing her encounter with the infamous Butcher Baker.
00:58And she likely saved dozens of lives.
01:03Somebody had to make him stop.
01:06And I was that somebody.
01:07Let's ask them, you know, baby.
01:10You're so happy.
01:11Each one of them is, you know, baby.
01:15You're so happy.
01:23And I was like, you know.
01:25It's a great thing.
01:27You're so happy.
01:29And there's a great thing.
01:30But I want you to make him stay.
01:31You're so happy.
01:33You're so happy.
01:36I'm so happy.
01:37Cindy Paulson, and I'm a survivor of a serial killer.
01:48I grew up in Yakima, Washington, a small little town.
01:54Leroy was my dad, and Terry was my mom.
01:58I grew up with four older teenage sisters.
02:03I had lots of family, lots of cousins.
02:06I had a great childhood.
02:08But at that time, our family kept secrets.
02:16When Cindy's about nine years old, her world is turned upside down.
02:20My mom and dad get a divorce.
02:24And then I found out my whole life had been a lie.
02:32I learned that my real mother was my oldest sister.
02:41My father, Leroy, was my grandfather.
02:45My mom, Terry, is really my grandma, and I thought, oh, my God.
02:57They all were a lie.
03:02I'm a bastard.
03:04My oldest sister, which is really my mother, she tells me, my dad is this one person, but she says
03:13she's raped.
03:14And I blame myself.
03:17And I blame myself.
03:18It broke me.
03:21I could not deal with the world the way it was.
03:30So, at 10, 11, I started running away, traveling across country by myself.
03:39I did not belong.
03:42Why stay where you don't belong?
03:44There's a whole world out there for me.
03:50This is me at 13 years old.
03:54Boy, I look good.
04:00At 13, I went to Portland to get money.
04:07I was prostituting, walking the streets, making whatever amount I could get.
04:17Then in the early 80s, at just 15 years old, Cindy learns about a place where she can make more
04:22money than she's ever dreamed of.
04:24In 1980, I moved to Anchorage, Alaska, because there was money up there.
04:34I go to Alaska, and it's like my slowest night's 800.
04:40And sometimes it could be four grand, five grand.
04:44You'll make your head spin.
04:51Anchorage in the 70s and 80s was a wild place.
04:55Oil had been discovered on the North Slope, and it was just overrun.
04:59Overrun, almost, with people coming up to work on the slope.
05:06During this period of time, Anchorage was a very busy city.
05:12Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, I think, would be a good way to categorize it.
05:17For prostitutes, it's part of Alaska history, and it was rampant during those times.
05:23It was hard for law enforcement to keep up after it.
05:26There were dance clubs, massage parlors.
05:30There was a fur year and a jewelry store on each corner.
05:34The first thing you do is you get a fur, because if you get busted, you can give your fur
05:38down as a down payment to the bondsman to bail you out.
05:44When did you first hear about young women that had gone missing?
05:50At that time, it was just rumor.
05:53We knew there was something wrong out there.
05:55We just didn't know what it was.
05:58Cindy, I noticed that you were visibly upset.
06:01Apparently you were bothered by this.
06:03What would you have bothered by it?
06:05Did you feel that he was going to hurt you?
06:09I mean, what he did to me, he had to kill me.
06:14Looking back, what do you wish someone would have told you at that age?
06:22What the f**k are you doing?
06:26You could have had a whole different life.
06:30But at the same time, I just think about all the women whose lives I saved.
06:38Amen.
06:39That's what I would say.
06:41I'd do it again.
06:46One night in June of 1983, Cindy has a run-in with Bob, also known as the Butcher Baker.
06:56I like women very, very much.
06:59Any woman I ever met, I would do anything in the world for her.
07:02I've got a movie you might call a sickness or whatever, but a virtual hate for a prostitute.
07:15I was 17 years old, and a man pulled up in a Buick cut bag, green metallic.
07:26He said, hey, my name is Bob.
07:28I'll give you $200 for a blow s**t.
07:31But he wanted me to come to his place.
07:35I know better, but he said he's had other girls at his house before, and he looked totally cool.
07:42Like somebody's grandpa.
07:44He was soft-spoken.
07:46He had glasses and pockmarks in his face.
07:52The going rate was like $80.
07:53And $200.
07:56That would start my day great.
07:59And I got in his car and we left.
08:04And we start driving.
08:10It was barren.
08:14And then you just turn down this road.
08:17I remember this huge sign on the right-hand side of the road that says, dead end.
08:27And my stomach flipped.
08:33Once I seen that dead end sign, I knew I was not okay.
08:40I knew something was really wrong.
08:48He pulls into his garage.
08:51And we get out of the car.
08:54The back door opens.
08:55To the right is the kitchen.
08:58And then you go down to the basement.
09:07And I go in and I sit in the chair.
09:18And he walks over to me.
09:21He gave me the money.
09:22I put the money in my back pocket.
09:25And before I could even do anything, he flipped the chair over, handcuffed me to the bottom of the chair,
09:33and pulled the gun out.
09:37So quick, my head spun.
09:41I went limp.
09:43I thought, he's going to kill me.
09:54He took me downstairs, and he handcuffed me to the chair, and he pulled out a gun to sight me.
10:01I thought, but not a lot, because I knew I needed to do something.
10:08Here's this man.
10:09He thinks it looks like somebody's grandpa.
10:11Cuffs you and puts a .357 Magnum at you, and it's something I'll never forget.
10:19And then he put the gun inside me.
10:23Pure, fundamental rape.
10:25I believe in God.
10:28Okay, something's going on here, and I need to do something.
10:31I believe God puts you somewhere for a reason.
10:34So I'm here.
10:36What do I got to do?
10:39I prayed the whole time.
10:41So he wants to rape me?
10:44Rape me?
10:45Come on, mother .
10:47Is this what you like?
10:49I'm thinking, be calm, be calm, be calm.
10:52Let him do whatever he wants.
10:53I wasn't stupid.
10:56After that, he let me go to the bathroom.
11:01I'm looking if I can get out the window.
11:04And I'm looking for something I can do.
11:08But the windows were bolted down.
11:11There was no way out of that bathroom.
11:14And then, the next thing I know, I hear chains.
11:25And my skin went cold.
11:28I can't break no chain.
11:31I'm like 120 pounds wet.
11:35What the am I going to do?
11:41And he wraps a collar around my neck and chains me to the pillar in the basement.
11:50He says, I got to take a nap for a little bit.
11:52And he put a towel next to me on the floor.
11:57So I laid there on that towel and pissed in it.
12:10And then, I noticed a bullet hole in the bottom of the pillar, where someone had been shot.
12:17The pillar split.
12:20So I know that someone died there.
12:24He kept me overnight.
12:38I'm in the basement.
12:39He's sleeping on the couch from his little escapade.
12:44I'm trying to memorize everything I see around me photographically.
12:51I see these hunter's rams.
12:56On the wall, stuffed.
12:59He's got stuffed fish on the wall.
13:02Bearskin rug on the floor.
13:06So I know he's an avid hunter.
13:11There's a pool table.
13:13And then I thought, I'm going to grab the pool cue.
13:16And I'm going to beat him in the head with it.
13:18But if I don't kill him, he's going to kill me for sure.
13:24And then after several hours, he says, OK, I'm done taking a nap.
13:30I'm going to take you on my plane out to my cabin.
13:33And I'm going to make love to you out there.
13:35And then I'm going to let you go, OK?
13:37And he says, let's go get dressed.
13:41I put my shirt on, my pants, but my shoes, he wouldn't let me put them on.
13:52He laid me in the back seat, covered me up with a brown tarp.
13:56And I have my hands in handcuffs.
13:58And they're bleeding so bad because they're so tight.
14:06It was about 7.30, 8 o'clock a.m.
14:11And he told me, now, don't try anything, because if you do, I'll have to kill anybody who sees you.
14:19We get to Merle Airfield.
14:21And he pulls in, and he drives all the way down to where his plane is.
14:31He unlocks the doors, and he gets out, and he opens his trunk.
14:36And he's trying to remove some things.
14:40And right then and there, I just close my eyes.
14:46And I hear voices in my head telling me, run, bitch, run.
14:53And I don't know how the door opened.
15:00I don't know if I did it with my hand or my foot,
15:03but the door opened.
15:07And that's when I'd seen my chance and just darted out the door.
15:12And I took off running barefoot down the runway.
15:20Cuffed in the front, bleeding.
15:23He was chasing me from behind with the .357 Magnum.
15:29I don't know how, what, or why, but I was gone.
15:39The difference between night and day, once they come up and said,
15:43you want some sex for money, that was the divide line.
15:48Once that happened, then I guess you could call him a phone, but a cell.
15:54When I ran out of his car, I didn't have no shoes on.
15:57I was running so fast, I couldn't feel it.
16:00He was chasing me with a gun.
16:02I was hearing all these voices in my mind screaming, run.
16:08They're telling me, catch this mother .
16:10I opened the door for you.
16:13I need you to do this for me.
16:17Somehow, I got to the side of the road.
16:20I could see a Ford truck.
16:22I just ran out, told him, stop, stop.
16:24And the guy stopped.
16:26And he said, get in, get in.
16:28I said, this guy is trying to kill me.
16:30He was looking at the blood and stuff,
16:31and he could tell something was really wrong.
16:34Thank God to him.
16:36He saved my life.
16:39He wanted to take her to the police,
16:41but as a sex worker, she thought they weren't going to believe her,
16:44so she begged them to drive her back to her motel.
16:49The driver drops her off at the motel
16:51and reports this insane event.
16:55And about five minutes later,
16:57there's a knock at the door.
17:00Anchorage police.
17:01And he took one look at me,
17:02and he knew something was wrong.
17:06He took the cuffs off me right away.
17:10And he took me to the hospital.
17:12And they did their rape kit.
17:16They didn't have DNA testing then,
17:18so the evidence from the rape kit
17:21was pubic hair, her clothing.
17:23I told him, this guy brought me to his house,
17:27and he had a gun,
17:29and he raped me,
17:30and he chained me,
17:33and he tried to kill me.
17:35And I told him,
17:37he looked like somebody's grandpa.
17:39Real calm, relaxed, cool,
17:42wore glasses,
17:44pockmarks in his face.
17:46What Cindy doesn't realize
17:48is that she's the latest victim
17:50of serial killer Robert Hansen.
17:53Unknown to law enforcement,
17:55Hansen has been operating for years,
17:57abducting women off the streets since 1980.
18:00But some have begun to catch on.
18:03Police say there are striking similarities
18:05between these missing women.
18:06They were all dancers or prostitutes.
18:09All disappeared after an afternoon date.
18:11All were offered between $200 and $400 for that date.
18:17This case had a nickname by now,
18:20the case of the missing dancers.
18:21That had been in the newspapers.
18:27The first one was in 1980.
18:31A woman that became known as Aklutna Annie.
18:35She was found in the Aklutna area north of Anchorage.
18:39She'd been stabbed.
18:41She had lots of jewelry.
18:43Looked like she might have been a dancer.
18:45There was no identification at that time on her.
18:48They didn't know who she was.
18:50So they called her Aklutna Annie
18:53because she had been found
18:55near Aklutna Lake Road.
18:58In addition to Aklutna Annie,
19:00in the summer of 1980,
19:02the body of 24-year-old sex worker
19:04Joanna Messina was discovered
19:06in a remote location near Seward, Alaska.
19:09She had been shot to death.
19:12Joanna Messina, one of the early victims,
19:15found south along in Seward,
19:17and she was called the Bear Lady
19:19because there was a report of a bear eating a body.
19:27And then two years after Joanna's body was discovered,
19:31off-duty Anchorage cop John Daly
19:33was on a hunting trip
19:35and discovered victim number three.
19:39Back in the 70s and early 80s,
19:42there wasn't any real easy access
19:44to the Kinnick River.
19:46You had to take a plane.
19:55This is the Kinnick River.
19:56This is the area that we were hunting.
20:00We ended up finding a boot
20:02and immediately saw that there was a kneecap.
20:05So we knew we had a body there
20:07and made our call to the state troopers.
20:14They started sifting the sand off of the body.
20:22We could see that it was female.
20:25But unlike the two previous cases,
20:27this crime scene has one new puzzle piece.
20:31Investigators also found just one
20:33fired .223 caliber rifle cartridge case.
20:37Valuable evidence.
20:40The young lady was a gal by the name of Sherry Morrow,
20:4323 years old.
20:45Sherry was shot with a .223 cartridge,
20:50very high-powered rifle.
20:52Sherry Morrow was a topless dancer.
20:55She disappeared one afternoon,
20:56two years ago, without a trace.
20:58She said she had an afternoon date
21:00with a man who was going to pay her $400.
21:03I knew Sherry Morrow.
21:05I didn't know that she was missing.
21:07I thought maybe she's gone to a lower 48.
21:10Who's gonna look for us?
21:13Who cares about her?
21:16She's disposable.
21:18She is a horror.
21:23There's something happening out there.
21:25Bodies were starting to show up across Alaska.
21:27Robert Hanson was out there under our noses hunting them,
21:31just as if he was out there hunting a moose.
21:34But we weren't putting everything together at that time.
21:38Remember, in the early 1980s,
21:40technology, use of DNA,
21:42and all that stuff did not exist.
21:46The investigations are slow going
21:47due to the remote location of the crime scenes,
21:50which are only accessible via airplane.
21:57Right in front of me now is the Kinnick River.
22:00That's the area where most of Robert Hanson's victims were buried.
22:04Robert Hanson was a hunter.
22:07He was known to literally hunt some of his victims,
22:11put them out and go after them.
22:13He would take his victims out here for privacy.
22:16They could run, but there was nowhere for him to go
22:19that he couldn't find them out here.
22:22Terrific.
22:30In June of 1983, Cindy is attacked.
22:33The police question her about the man who has his own plane.
22:38Police wanted to make sure I knew what plane it was.
22:41We went to Merle Airfield, and I showed them.
22:45And, of course, planes, like cars, have tail numbers.
22:50Police run the tail number, and boom, they've got a match.
22:54And it's a guy named Robert Hanson.
22:57Ironically, Robert Hanson is already known
22:59to local law enforcement, but not for any crime.
23:03Robert Hanson at that time, he had a small bakery.
23:05We'd go in there early morning hours
23:07and get coffee and donuts.
23:09I always thought Bob was kind of a mousy guy.
23:12Robert Hanson is 44 years old
23:15and married with two young children.
23:17Bob grew up in Pocahontas, Iowa.
23:21He moved to Alaska because he liked to hunt.
23:25Bob was regarded as a good baker
23:27and very proficient cake decorator.
23:30Bob the baker was a textbook example
23:33of a pillar community, churchgoer.
23:37It was a ruse that he had perfected
23:39a killer who was living in plain sight.
23:48The police have an address
23:50and they go to that address
23:54and Hanson is very cooperative.
23:58He tells him it's not him.
24:00He wasn't there.
24:01And then he says, by the way, I've got an alibi.
24:03I was with a friend.
24:10This alibi witness said that Hanson was out in Eagle River
24:14helping him put a seat in the back of an airplane
24:17when all that happened.
24:18So it couldn't have been him.
24:20And the cops believed him.
24:22With a confirmed alibi, Hanson remains a free man.
24:25And his bogus story seems to be working on the police.
24:30They took me to the police station
24:33and interrogated me.
24:35And they're pretty much calling me a liar.
24:39Oh, Bob, he couldn't do that.
24:41We go there every day and buy donuts.
24:44Besides, his friend vouched for him.
24:47They didn't even care.
24:49Why do you think they didn't care?
24:51Because I was a prostitute.
24:53They're not listening to me.
24:55If I was his wife, they'd be all up in this.
24:59I was just a hooker.
25:02Who's going to believe me?
25:06I didn't matter.
25:11The little girl that was lied to all her life.
25:17That nobody wanted.
25:28Ultimately, the assistant DA said
25:31there was no proof in his mind
25:33that she'd even been at Hanson's house.
25:36So they just decided to toss her aside
25:38and close the case.
25:47But then, on September 2nd, 1983,
25:50within a few months after Cindy's attack,
25:52hunters on the Kinnick River
25:54find the remains of 31-year-old dancer Paula Goulding.
25:57And it was just yards from where Sherry Morrow
25:59had been found a year earlier.
26:01Paula Goulding was also a topless dancer.
26:04She also disappeared one afternoon last April.
26:06Her friends say she was going to meet a man
26:08who was going to pay her hundreds of dollars.
26:10She also had been shot to death.
26:13But crucially, police recover shell casings
26:16at the Goulding site,
26:17and they're able to link them
26:18to the shell casings found
26:19in the Sherry Morrow case.
26:25So Paula Goulding and Sherry Morrow,
26:28they're both identifiable as a sex worker.
26:31They are buried in shallow graves,
26:34and they've been shot
26:35with a .223 high-powered mini-14 rifle.
26:39And so, now there's this idea.
26:43Is this the same person?
26:48At this time period, serial murder,
26:50it's still a new concept.
26:53But now they're finally linking all these cases.
26:57Anchorage detectives swore onto something,
27:00that this was a serial killer among us.
27:11And you talked about one
27:13that you threw off with the bridge.
27:15I can't even remember
27:17where I picked the girl up at.
27:18All I can remember going out there
27:20is I'm glad that she was
27:21a very, very small person.
27:22It was an awful long way
27:24to killing somebody.
27:31Nobody knew these women were missing
27:34except for the people
27:36that reported them missing
27:37and the police.
27:40A couple of Anchorage
27:40Police Department detectives
27:42had come over to
27:44our Alaska State Trooper headquarters
27:46to talk to investigators
27:48and to tell them about
27:49their serial killer suspicions
27:51with all the prostitutes
27:53coming up murdered in Anchorage.
27:56In the fall of 1983,
27:58a few months after Cindy's attack,
27:59a task force is formed
28:00to examine cold cases
28:02of missing and unidentified women
28:03all over the Alaskan wilderness.
28:06I was summoned to Anchorage
28:09to give a hand.
28:11I remember going through
28:12all the material they had
28:14and I started to find out more
28:15about the Cindy Poulsen case,
28:17the girl that got away,
28:18and about this guy
28:20named Robert Hansen.
28:21And that light went on
28:22for me real quick.
28:24What she said he did to her,
28:27he raped her
28:28in his whole power,
28:31manipulation, and control
28:32that I own you.
28:34You're mine, Cindy Poulsen.
28:36All mine.
28:37Forever.
28:38But it didn't turn out
28:39to be forever for Cindy Poulsen
28:41because she got away.
28:43Also, the alibi witness
28:45said that Hansen was
28:46out in Eagle River with him
28:49when all that happened with her.
28:50So it couldn't have been him.
28:52That's a pretty weak alibi.
28:55While the task force
28:56reviews Cindy Poulsen's case,
28:58she's still under the impression
28:59that they believed Hansen
29:00over her.
29:02I went back to Portland.
29:04I had no money.
29:06There was nothing for me there.
29:09And I went right back to Alaska.
29:15One of my homegirls,
29:16she brought me in to dance
29:18at Miss Kitty's.
29:19Then I'm up there
29:20dancing, center stage.
29:26And here comes Bob the Baker
29:28walking through the door.
29:31I'm screaming.
29:33He tried to kill me.
29:34He's killed other people.
29:35That man's a killer.
29:37And they threw him out.
29:40He got his.
29:42But he knew where I was, too.
29:47The state troopers
29:49obtained Hansen's records
29:51from a state repository,
29:52and they were astounded
29:54to see that he'd been involved
29:56in a number of violent assaults.
29:59There was an assault
30:00with a dangerous weapon.
30:02There was assault
30:04and kidnapping
30:05in another case.
30:06Those charges were dropped.
30:08These incidents,
30:09they're always with women.
30:10He's always got an excuse.
30:12They're always trying
30:13to wrestle money out of me,
30:14and he always seems
30:15to get off.
30:16But it was a Cindy Folsom case.
30:19That put it together.
30:27So the next step
30:28would be to track down Cindy.
30:32They took me
30:33into the trooper's department,
30:35and I recorded
30:37a new victim statement.
30:41I went to use the bathroom,
30:44and I was handcuffed
30:45the whole time.
30:46I had heard chains
30:48start rattling.
30:49I came out.
30:50He erupted
30:51for a time,
30:53and he said
30:54they would take me
30:55to his cabin
30:55and bring me back.
31:01He said,
31:02I believe your story.
31:03How did that moment feel?
31:07Exhilarating.
31:10I felt alive.
31:13I felt that I mattered.
31:23The investigator
31:24at one point
31:25identifies Cindy
31:27as the best witness
31:28he'd ever seen.
31:31And the icing on the cake
31:33was that I talked
31:35to the alibi witness.
31:36He was convinced
31:37at the time,
31:38he says,
31:39that Robert Hansen
31:40didn't do anything wrong,
31:41that I was able
31:43to get the alibi witness
31:45to tell the truth.
31:46And he rolled over
31:47and said that he had lied.
31:49It was just no way
31:51that a judge
31:51couldn't see
31:52probable cause
31:53in this case.
31:54And the next move
31:55was to search his house
31:56and hopefully find
31:57some vital evidence.
31:59I felt the police
32:01had let me down,
32:02and they were finally
32:04going to do
32:04something about it.
32:06On October 27, 1983,
32:10136 days after
32:11the attack
32:11on Cindy Paulson,
32:12a search warrant
32:13is executed
32:14at the home
32:14of Robert Hansen.
32:16They went through
32:17the bedrooms,
32:18they went through
32:18the bathroom,
32:19they went through
32:19the kitchen.
32:22They went through
32:22the basement area.
32:25Cindy Paulson
32:26described the basement
32:27to a T.
32:29And all of a sudden,
32:30bingo.
32:31They found several
32:33firearms,
32:35and one in particular.
32:37It was a Ruger
32:38Mini 14.223 caliber.
32:42The firearms examiner
32:44looks at that,
32:45and,
32:47yep,
32:47that rifle matches up
32:49to the cartridge case
32:50in Sherry Morrow's grave.
32:54We've got a case.
32:56But there's one more
32:58incredible piece of evidence
32:59discovered
33:00in Robert Hansen's home.
33:02There was a box.
33:03It had aircraft
33:05sectional maps.
33:06He had written X's.
33:08Some of them
33:08were on the Kinnick River.
33:09This looks like
33:11our crime scenes
33:12where he put those bodies.
33:14Whoa.
33:15Whoa.
33:29They were 24 marks
33:31on Robert Hansen's map.
33:34We found Sherry Morrow here.
33:36We found Paula Golding here.
33:37It was really
33:38a painful moment, right?
33:40They finally realized,
33:42oh, my God,
33:43what has this man done?
33:49I could just imagine
33:50what this map
33:51would look like
33:51if the case went unsolved
33:53and he were left out there.
33:55He would fill up this map
33:56and probably another one.
34:01The police comes
34:02and tells me
34:03we got him.
34:04We arrested him.
34:06I felt relief
34:08because that man
34:09was a monster.
34:11The next move
34:12was to
34:14try and get Hansen
34:15to tell us the truth.
34:18Now,
34:19his side of the story
34:19was that he had
34:20hooked up with
34:21Cindy Paulson
34:22and that he had
34:23made an arrangement
34:24with her for sex.
34:25When the sexual encounter
34:27was over,
34:28she demanded
34:29more money
34:30and he said no.
34:32Then the DA says,
34:34we're going to take this map
34:35and we're going to go out
34:37and we're going to find
34:38the other victims.
34:41And
34:42Robert's demeanor
34:43totally changed.
34:45I recall him saying,
34:48whores.
34:50I said,
34:51shut the up.
34:53Now.
34:55And he says,
34:56no,
34:56I want to clear this up today.
35:00Now he tells him
35:01that he's going to confess
35:02to the four murderers.
35:04that the police
35:05already know about.
35:06And that's
35:07Joanna Messina,
35:08Eklutna Annie,
35:09Paula Golding,
35:10and Sherry Morrow.
35:13We spent
35:14a big chunk
35:15of the day
35:16going through
35:17these four
35:17in minute detail.
35:20The people
35:21were identifying
35:21questions about
35:22where they were picked up,
35:24how they were scouted.
35:28so we went
35:29through those four
35:31and to be honest
35:32with you,
35:32I,
35:34naively,
35:35I thought we were done.
35:37I didn't think
35:38we were talking
35:3817
35:40plus
35:41a number of rapes.
35:44Hansen now
35:45stuns
35:45even his own attorneys
35:46by calmly
35:47confessing
35:48to a total
35:48of 17 murders.
35:51And over a period
35:52of months,
35:52he gives a series
35:53of recorded interviews
35:54to assist police
35:56with locating
35:56his victims' bodies,
35:57using the marks
35:58on his own map.
36:17By all appearances,
36:18Robert C. Hansen
36:19led an ordinary life.
36:21He owned a bakery
36:22near downtown.
36:22He was a family man
36:24who liked to hunt
36:24and liked to fly.
36:25But for Robert Hansen,
36:27there was also
36:27a second life.
36:28He was linked
36:29to the badly decomposed
36:30body of four women,
36:31two of them buried
36:32in the sand of this,
36:33the Kinnick River
36:33near Anchorage.
36:34But before he was
36:35even charged
36:36with the four murders,
36:36he confessed to 17,
36:38a figure even the police
36:39hadn't guessed at.
36:41I recall him talking
36:43about some of them
36:44he basically turned loose,
36:46told them to run,
36:47and he shot them
36:48like you'd shoot game.
36:51That's when she was
36:52starting telling me
36:52all the stuff
36:53that she was going
36:54to have done to me
36:55and all that.
36:55And I thought,
36:56wow, that just
36:58germinates this problem.
36:59That's when I made
37:00up my mind
37:01that I was going
37:02to shoot her.
37:03His demeanor
37:04was calm and quiet.
37:06And it was frankly
37:07kind of eerie
37:08to hear him describe
37:09what he did.
37:11So Hansen ends up
37:13pleading guilty
37:14to the murder
37:15of Ekluna Annie,
37:17Joanna Messina,
37:18Sherry Morrow,
37:19and Paula Goulding,
37:21and the rape
37:22and kidnapping
37:23of Cindy Paulson.
37:26Due to conditions
37:27of his plea bargain,
37:28Hansen is never charged
37:30with the other 13 murders
37:31he confessed to.
37:33My recollection
37:34is that they found
37:3612 of the 17,
37:37or somewhere in that range.
37:39They did not find
37:41all of the 17 bodies.
37:44And he was sentenced
37:45to 461 years
37:47in prison,
37:48life without parole.
37:51In 2014,
37:52Robert Hansen
37:53dies in prison
37:53of natural causes.
37:57After he was sent
37:58to jail,
38:01I went through hell.
38:07It wasn't until
38:08the day he died
38:10that I was able
38:12to come out of hell.
38:17We got him.
38:24Robert Hansen
38:26is not killing
38:26nobody anymore.
38:29And I'm not
38:32prostituting,
38:32doing drugs,
38:34or drinking anymore.
38:36I have 10 years
38:37clean and sober.
38:40And, um,
38:43I live with my family.
38:53My sons were born
38:54in Mexico
38:55where I taught
38:56English
38:57and was very happy
38:59for 11 years.
39:01They are
39:03beautiful boys.
39:12She survived.
39:14She was the one
39:15that got him.
39:17It's powerful.
39:18It's amazing.
39:19And I couldn't
39:20be more proud of you.
39:21I love you so much.
39:22I love you too, Mom.
39:25We did it.
39:26Yeah.
39:27Yeah.
39:27You did it, Mom.
39:29It's a full moon tonight.
39:31The rocks, the moon.
39:33Tonight,
39:33it'll be so dark.
39:34There'll be a million
39:36stars in the sky.
39:38I have refused
39:40to be a victim.
39:42I refused it.
39:45And I don't hear
39:46their voices anymore.
39:48Let me tell you,
39:50I was born
39:52to catch Hansen
39:54so he could not kill
39:56no more women.
40:00And God knew
40:02I could handle it.
40:31I wish I could forget
40:32it.
40:34I wish I could just erase it, but I can't.
40:40John Wayne Gacy.
40:42The Sunday slasher.
40:44Abductions.
40:44Rapes.
40:45Porture.
40:45The killing machine.
40:47I said, I've been shot, I'm gonna die.
40:49Bop, bop, bop.
40:50He was looking me dead in the face and saying, I will kill you.
40:53He tied my head to that tree.
40:55It was absolute hell.
40:58That image is never gonna get out of my head.
41:00You look like a killer.
41:02I started to saw through the road.
41:05I just was in survivor mode the entire time.
41:08I picked up heavy folding chairs and just bludgeoned him with it.
41:12She had the guts to look a serial killer in the eye.
41:16I said, that's him right there.
41:18I survived.
41:19I survived.
41:20I survived.
41:21I survived.
41:22I survived.
41:25A serial killer.
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