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00:01a guy who i i don't know if i'm allowed to name him or he won't walk into the studios
00:04anymore
00:06uh he was on filling in for baskin and phelps yesterday daryl will be filling in with baskin
00:10and phelps today i don't know which baskin or which phelps i don't know what's going to happen
00:14there but daryl's coming which he ain't awake yet he comes in at the nine o'clock hour i know
00:18we got
00:19oh you foosey at 901 i we gotta i gotta get an answer on the air from daryl about one
00:23thing that
00:24he posted this week i need an answer because i either want to attack him on the air or i'm
00:28gonna
00:28go oh okay i understand all right have a good show one of the two things it's either gonna be
00:33me
00:33yelling at daryl and daryl yelling at me face to face or i'm just gonna say hey have a good
00:37day
00:37and have a good weekend because something he posted and it's been bothering me for like the last three
00:43days and i thought he was gonna be on today at 8 20 i didn't know he was hosting today
00:48uh on on the
00:49midday and i just he's gonna i'm telling you right now if he's saying what i'm saying
00:58thinking there's gonna be fireworks 216-474-0092 all right we're off the bronze for a moment here
01:04because i gotta i gotta bring this up donovan mitchell evan mobley there's gonna be a question
01:08coming up here you can see it already oh what to do to help this basketball team out and i
01:13think a lot
01:13of us are maybe saying donovan mitchell is the one who stays including chris fedor cleveland.com he
01:20says calves need to move on from evan if we want to bring a player in here for the finals
01:25the highest
01:26payroll in the nba the expectations are what they are if you don't have that guy how do you get
01:31that
01:31guy and the way to do that is to trade away evan mobley and if it's yannis it's yannis if
01:36it's
01:36jalen brown it's jalen brown if it's jalen williams in oklahoma city it's jalen williams but evan mobley
01:42is the linchpin to getting the kind of piece that i don't believe this team has and i believe this
01:48team
01:48needs i believe every championship team has a guy that you can clearly look at and say yes that guy
01:54is
01:55the centerpiece of the championship team that is the number one guy on a championship team do you
02:00think boston's asking that question today do you think denver is asking that question i think
02:04minnesota is asking that question do you think san antonio do you think oklahoma city do you think
02:09new york do you think any of these other teams that we've talked about today is asking that question
02:13that's not very nice about evan uh coming up at 703 i got something even meaner about somebody else on
02:19this basketball team that you got to hear because it i think it does change a lot of people's
02:23perspective here especially when you add in the money to it hearing him talk about evan i mean it's
02:29it's a giant elephant in the room but i can't force the move that fedor wants to make here is
02:36chris on
02:37evan and obviously who you should move him for i do think that if the calves if they're motivated enough
02:43and they see enough flaws with this roster and the roster construction and they view it the same way
02:49that i do and i'm not saying that they do view it this way but if they do evan mobley
02:54gets you
02:54yannis you can get yannis and here's the other thing jeff when yannis was drafted people were like
02:59hey if he reaches his ceiling big if but if he reaches his ceiling maybe he becomes a player like
03:05yannis or you could go get the actual yannis well i can wish you one hand and you know what
03:12the other
03:13guys like i i don't know if this is happening that's why i've been trying to warn everybody like
03:17we got to watch what we say about these players because they all could just be coming back next
03:20year they could all just be coming back and i i'm not interested in making moves just to make moves
03:26here like we are at a critical moment yes i i think a move if i could move one of
03:31these pieces and bring
03:33in a yannis maybe bring back lebron uh i'm sure there's going to be other names that are brought in
03:37there lima i'm sure you can give people some really quality names that could possibly help this out
03:41but there's not very much you can go with other than just breaking up your core four i don't know
03:47if there's called a core four anymore i don't know if you can after the the darius trade but of
03:52your
03:52four main cogs other than trading them there's not a whole lot you can do the teams also want draft
03:57picks back and when you're i'm reading about miami being in the driver's seat by every major outlet
04:02who covers the nba we do have more to offer than what miami does but yannis also has some power
04:10here
04:10because he doesn't have a no trade clause but he does have a situation where you would want to sign
04:14him to a contract and he could just not pick up the pen trade for me all you want i'm
04:18not going to
04:19pick up the pen and then i'm becoming rental and you give away if it were if it were evan
04:23for yannis
04:25i could and yannis signed with the calves i think a lot of people could understand that hey we got
04:29to go
04:29for the gusto here we go but if it's just a rental and i'm using yannis for one year and
04:35maybe i'm just
04:36lying to myself after i say this i want you i want to know from you you only have for
04:39one year and
04:40then i'm going to watch yannis i'm going to watch uh evan possibly and i don't know if it's possible
04:44i don't know if it's going to happen but possibly blossom in milwaukee that's that's not a that's
04:50not a smart move well that's that's a really okay this is this a few different things we're trying to
04:55factor in at the same time here which is so tough which is all right did donovan mitchell answer once
05:02and for all a question that many people didn't even think was a question um outside of cleveland but in
05:08cleveland we we wondered has it been settled once and for all that dom and mitchell can't be the best
05:14player in a championship team has that been settled i don't know not in this city i don't think it's
05:18in
05:18this city no i don't i don't think i think it's an open question anyway i think in a lot
05:22of places
05:22and i i'm not going to give away what i can sell but coming up at 704 uh you're going
05:26to find out
05:27somebody who definitely doesn't think so for 704 somebody who a major nba person who definitely does not
05:34think so i don't want to overreact but it it does seem to me like that that's been settled like
05:40we
05:40have a firm conclusion that donovan is not going to be the best player in the title team and furthermore
05:46the next iteration of that question is is evan mobley going to get good enough where he's going to
05:51surpass donovan mitchell on the same team in the near future i don't think that's happening like i don't
05:59next year you roll out the balls if you brought everybody back so are you going to advocate so
06:03so i'm moving donovan well no this is what i want to know from fans if the answer is no
06:09to both of
06:10those questions are you willing to trade one of them right now to try to get that answer of having
06:18a player that's good enough let me answer to win and then is there a guy out there that that
06:23even
06:23is possible for outside of yannis i look at it as a i look at him as a driver and
06:29three passengers
06:30in a car to me donovan's your driver evan's in the passenger seat you got jared allen you got james
06:37harden in the back seat okay as far as big pieces of this franchise donovan i think is showing a
06:46lot of
06:46people and it's not by any fault of his work ethic or anything that it's just extremely difficult
06:53for a 6-2 guard to be that guy all right it's extremely difficult and yes i know what we're
06:59watching tonight again same name uh-huh i know and we'll talk more about that at 704 it ain't lost
07:05to me guys but what i'm pointing out is that i think we're starting to learn that with evan i
07:10think
07:10it's still an open question i i think considering the postseason he had and i know he had a couple
07:15of
07:15farts but considering the postseason he had some awesome i think that book is open i think that book
07:22he can be that guy because i go man he's five years in is he ever going to get there
07:26he's only 24
07:28he's five years in but he's only 24 well what about victor women yama what about victor women yama he's
07:34not i can't compare him to victor women yama and i'm not going to chet holmgren let's have that
07:38conversation the chet comparison has been at times not favorable for evan and now today people are like
07:44oh he's better than chet exactly exactly and if i can get a guy who's better than chet who's supposed
07:49to
07:49be that guy because i think a lot of people now you can correct me if i'm wrong i think
07:53a lot of
07:53people thought he was going to be the piece not necessarily shea gilgis alexander who was going
07:59to be the leader on that team and i'm sure there's a lot of revisionist history there but i think
08:03a lot
08:03of people thought that he was going to be the one to rise the expectations oklahoma city sga is an
08:08incredible player i don't mean to be disrespectful to him but i think that we go with preconceived notions
08:14maybe evan is still in those preconceived notions i'm not sure but because of what happened this
08:20playoffs i gotta look at and go are we just moving off of evan for something that i don't think
08:24that
08:25we can really still do or do we need to look at this for the good of this franchise and
08:29go maybe it
08:30doesn't always have to be quote unquote blown up considering the way that the second apron works now
08:34considering the way that the cba works i do think that there is a real discussion to be had
08:39amongst fans about if you're going to make a move i think a lot of people said evan's a guy
08:45evan's a
08:46guy after the postseason that he had after what we've seen i don't know if evan's the guy i don't
08:51think evan's the guy as much anymore and i think it opens up more of the conversation about you can't
08:56really do anything with james harden i think it opens up more about donovan mitchell of course i think
09:00that that would be like cutting the head off the snake for everybody and then obviously there's
09:04conversations to be had with jared allen but jared allen is a very very very high value player
09:08especially with the contract that he's totally outperformed in his career here
09:12216-474-0092 have you as a calves fan toyed with the notion of maybe donovan instead of evan being
09:21on
09:21the move i just want to know from you i want to know these are these are emotional things we're
09:26talking about here but you're watching the finals and i think the results could change the way you
09:33think the calves should think this offseason and there is a major nba thinker who might have beat
09:40you to the punch on that already i want you guys to hear a bit of audio remember all calves
09:44conversation
09:44brought to you by the fine folks at surfside hard iced tea who asked you to please enjoy that
09:49surfside hard iced tea responsibly so i want to get to these calls here in just a moment however
09:53let me tell you this i do think that there is becoming a conversation there is a conversation
10:00starting about whether or not it should be evan because in the winter time we all this whole room
10:07i think just assumed it's evan it's if you're moving anybody if you have to go on it is evan
10:13mobley
10:13and now i think it's i i think it's changing a little bit and i think that how many people
10:20have
10:20been watching the finals by the way do you think how many people watch the finals in game one
10:24i thought i thought a lot more people around here watch finals of game one than i thought well i
10:28wondered about that um because i didn't know there was a statement to make here in a second
10:32because i mean we're in the middle of june there's there's sometimes nba fatigue but it's a team that
10:36just beat you so i didn't know how that would register so i thought plenty of people still in this
10:41area did
10:41watch the nba finals and you saw jalen brunson carl anthony thompson was great in game one but you saw
10:49jalen brunson it will will his team to victory it seemed how many shots did he take 31 31 shots
10:56jalen
10:56he wasn't efficient but he was able to make the big plays down the stretch the the finals the final
11:02and the final score is they won by 10 so you you take what you can get and i know
11:06game two's tonight
11:06we'll see but depending on how this finishes i mean this is a team that's on an unbelievable run the
11:12knicks are i think it paints our feelings about what the calves should do in in terms of their future
11:18near and far with maybe a trade and john hollinger who is on uh hollinger and duncan no this is
11:25nate
11:25duncan i beg your pardon on with john hollinger uh these are two now we don't have them on the
11:30station a whole bunch and it's not you know it's not varden it's not lloyd but these are two
11:34preeminent nba guys in nba circles uh this is going to come off a little mean-spirited but i think
11:41it's
11:41just the truth uh with a bad bedside manner for a lot of people out there about the reality that
11:48is
11:48facing us with donovan mitchell and his future here is nate duncan on it listen kobe altman just said
11:54oh yes we think donovan mitchell can be the best player on a championship team they don't have a
11:58lot of leverage i would be really nervous about that mitchell extension you have to try to do
12:03something if you're cleveland i think because your entire viability is some kind of contender is that
12:09you have him and you're in your window right now maybe you have to accept a little pain later but
12:14god
12:14going full bore on the 277 million yeah that is tough because to me one of the biggest reasons that
12:20they failed was he wasn't good enough all of these previous times all everyone else broke down
12:24poor donovan mitchell he doesn't have enough support look at this he's putting up 35 every game well he
12:28wasn't doing that in these playoffs he never passes on his drives he's not really that versatile he
12:34couldn't get to the basket and get fouled and like this is supposed to be an unbelievable offense
12:38you're never going to have a great defense with him because he needs a point guard next to him he's
12:42also probably not going to be able to defend so to me a lot of the reasons why they weren't
12:46that good
12:46was that he and mobley weren't that good i thought the supporting cast was largely good enough this is
12:50kind of just what you do but for a guy a 6-1 guard 31 through 34 seasons making that
12:57amount of money
12:58if they sign that it instantly would fall to the top of the worst contracts in the nba list he
13:03does
13:03have the leverage that's fairly incriminating stuff right there so it's weird you hear all that and
13:10then during other portions of that discussion because i heard it well it should but he's talking
13:16ages 31 to 34 for donovan mitchell that's okay those guys also agree that he's been like a top
13:2210 player so it's so interesting how the nba works because we would never do that in baseball like
13:29the the dodgers wouldn't care if a guy is considered you know at a certain level like they just want
13:35to
13:35know is he a good player okay we'll pay the good player in the nba we have such a tough
13:41cap to work
13:42around now that if you're not considered a player that can help you win a championship as the best
13:49player you know in the past they just gave them all max contracts right now we're wondering in the
13:54nba do we have to be a little more more discriminant when it comes to that like we have to
13:59we have to
14:00truly debate if that guy is considered a number one player on a championship team i know what colby
14:07altman said but you know for a fact they are they are discussing this because you say a lot of
14:12things
14:12because they have to they have to figure out all right if we pay him the sick it's either 68
14:17million
14:18a year for the next four years or it's 75 million next year for the next five years and yet
14:24he holds
14:25the cards like calves don't hold all the cards donovan mitchell holds the cards because you don't want
14:30to be caught with your pants down if he even though donovan has said i love it here i love
14:34it i love it
14:35here what happens does he love it here the minute the calves say we're not prepared to do that
14:40no does he love it here as much he's gonna want his worth normally nba guys do now jalen brunson
14:46is
14:46playing paying playing for the biggest discount ever it's crazy what is he making 50 like 53 million
14:55when all these guys get paid i thought it was like 35 i think you might have got the numbers
14:59switched
14:59yeah it's maybe i'm wrong it's crazy what a hometown discount he's getting his dad is also
15:05an assistant coach on the team it's well you said he'd be the fourth highest paid cavalier yes
15:09right now he'd be the fourth jalen brunson is brunson right now average annual salary is 39.1
15:15judas priest that's nothing so nobody gets that nothing but you get what i'm saying nobody gets
15:20that discount in the nba i think the finals could paint this if the knicks end up winning the finals
15:26here i i think that i think it could end up being a premature conversation in some ways now i
15:30want to
15:31get the phones here in a second i think we're just coming off a miles trade which makes me think
15:34about the donovan trade because we want people that are they're going to give their full effort
15:38and miles did we want them to love us and there's a lot of people like we said nick chubb
15:42was beloved
15:43here miles garrett is a respected icon but people will do anything they will if nick chubb if you
15:48found out that he needed if he had a flat tire and he needed you to bring him a spare
15:53there are people
15:53on the way to work that they would drop what they're doing to go home like chubb i don't know
15:56if
15:56they do the same for miles i don't know if they do the same for a lot of cleveland athletes
15:59okay
15:59like you have insurance you figure it out when it comes to donovan i do think a lot of people
16:03would help donovan out i think they love donovan he's been he's been a great player he said the
16:08great things yes but if we want a championship then it's a premature conversation to have it is
16:14also a necessary one and i know we're emotional about this right now i mean hell we started off
16:19the show working through emotions about the other guy we just traded but if you're watching jalen
16:23brunson tonight and he does another one of these things where yeah it's an inefficient night but he
16:27just wills a team to beat who is supposed to be the next big thing the next icon in this
16:34league
16:34with a very good cast of characters around him it's very very difficult to stop people from starting
16:40to imagine going hey you know they're kind of similar in size obviously the same positions are we
16:46just are we just pouring money into something that we're never going to get back are we never going
16:51to get back so then it becomes a conversation of well maybe evan who did have a good postseason
16:56maybe evan is a part of that future like these it's an unfair conversation in so many ways but
17:01it's one we have to have and i gotta tell you i don't know if i have an answer i
17:05don't know if i
17:05have an answer before it was i will do what's necessary yes i will send evan mobley over to
17:09milwaukee but because of the postseason because of what what nate duncan just said with john hollinger
17:15because of what a lot of people are saying about this i i'm wavering and here's the hardest part i
17:21do
17:21want to get the phones here it's the hardest part of what makes this sport so tough how do you
17:26get a
17:26player better than donovan mitchell how do you get about so we're all saying he's not he's not that's
17:33what i'm saying you might be stuck player it is really hard how in the world do you when you
17:38start
17:38thinking about trades it's like all right well you can get yannis yannis is going to be 32 this year
17:44and he's been injured lately has to sign a contract oh yeah yeah you have holds more cards so we
17:50can
17:50always say who are we going to get better than donovan mitchell who are we going to get better
17:54than evan mobley anybody who plays his position is probably a main cog to a lot of the organizations
17:59that have him who are players that are either better than him or as unless you want to take chances
18:05on
18:05guys and you're not going to like these names the let's do it kawai leonards of the world the kevin
18:11durance of the world um the anthony davis like anthony davis you you just the look you are giving
18:18you're not even giving a look because you are so like anthony you didn't even think about anthony davis
18:23because the guy can't play 40 games on a team but when he's healthy he's better than evan mobley
18:29he ain't been healthy right since high school man kawai leonard last year was better was better than
18:35evan mobley but he also got knocked out in the playing game i hope people saw me on youtube i
18:41did
18:41not like you there's no way you like my reaction kevin durant at his age this year i think was
18:46better than evan now you can say well two-way he's not playing defense like that he's also if it
18:52weren't for lebron he'd be the player of the generation let's call what i mean that's what
18:56kevin durant is right i'm i'm wrong i'm not wrong if lebron james never exists kevin durant is arguably
19:01the greatest him or staff right like oh okay fine but yeah but i don't i don't know if they're
19:06the
19:06they're not in the argument with michael but they're in the argument of the generation kevin
19:11durant was still incredible this year he was still incredible but also like if kevin durant at this
19:18age are you relying on that like that it gets tough you understand how hard of a predicament
19:22they're in no two one six four seven four double oh 92 larry and elyria you're first up on the
19:27fan
19:27hello larry hey how's it going kenny anthony you know something though you guys uh first of all
19:33this series going on i hope it goes seven games comes down to a wire and one person i feel
19:38great
19:39for is coach brown there man what he's been through it's awesome for him did anybody have
19:43ill will for him and we fired him twice he's nice guy ain't no one got a problem with him
19:49yeah i'll tell you what anthony made a great point about health though with yannis the other players
19:53if they're available that's the thing about this trade you guys with with evan i mean yannis i i see
19:58with william but when they shut him down during the summertime after that there because the reason
20:03they probably did that because his trade value that way they can get rid of him and ship him off
20:07some other type of players that's what i see from that uh well i know they had a fight about
20:11that
20:12shutdown too if i'm not mistaken but go ahead there yeah you're right right the nba was talking about
20:17that you're right do you think that the finals larry could change the way you see it like if like
20:21hey if
20:22if san antonio just rips off like four in a row or something like that and victor
20:26women yama looks like the way he's going to be because he i i think he did get outplayed i
20:31actually
20:31agree with nick right i think he did it certainly got outplayed by uh carl anthony towns the other
20:35night but if that changes then maybe we kind of calm down our jets a little bit here and go
20:40well
20:40you know maybe you're kind of stuck but i'm telling you man if the knicks win this i think it
20:45changes the
20:46way a lot of people may be thinking about donovan mitchell where this team needs to go
20:50all right because you're the gentleman you talked about you had
20:53that uh interview there about em is he worth it i tell you what jalen brunson right now for six
21:00foot
21:00one like you talk about how he wills everybody there that guy definitely deserves a raise big time
21:05they pull this off but one thing about the calves you guys i think the problem with us basically is
21:11that
21:11three spot you know i mean that dean wade man we're no production from there kenny nancy i mean
21:16the scoring from there for the whole series you wouldn't get nothing whatsoever uh by the way
21:21that's i well i because he's he's a weird spot can i address him when we come back larry thank
21:28you
21:28very much for the call let me say one thing about dean wade when we come back actually two things
21:32i
21:32just thought about dean wade when we come back and i want to know could the finals change the way
21:36you
21:36think that this team needs to be built in the future because they got to make trades after the
21:40finals but if jalen brunson and the knicks end up winning this thing i i do think a lot of
21:44people are
21:45starting to wonder they it's not that they don't love donovan anymore it's not that they don't
21:49think donovan's a fine player and has been great for cleveland and loves cleveland and all that other
21:53stuff let's not get all too emotional about it but you know what you may be thinking if it goes
21:57that way
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