Rededicate 250 And The Revival Rally Machine | Podcast Episode 629 - video Dailymotion

William Branham Historical Research

John and Brantley examine Rededicate 250, Lou Engle, Dutch Sheets, Mike Johnson, revival language, Christian nationalism, and the emotional aftershocks experienced by former members of IHOPKC and charismatic revival movements. The discussion connects modern political-religious rallies with older patterns from William Branham, the Latter Rain movement, deliverance theology, anti-communist rhetoric, Jezebel/Ahab language, and the repeated use of spiritual warfare themes against political enemies.  The conversation also explores how revival culture can condition the nervous system, why former members may still feel old emotional responses when hearing familiar prayers and buzzwords, and how movements built around solemn assemblies, prophetic urgency, national repentance, and "taking America back" can blur the line between prayer, rally, and political mobilization. Brantley shares firsthand reflections from IHOPKC, Lou Engle events, The Ramp, and the lingering difficulty of untangling spiritual experience from religious programming.  00:00 Introduction 03:13 Rededicate 250, Lou Engle, and the Return of Rally Culture 09:42 When Old Revival Triggers Hijack the Nervous System 11:34 Revival Language, Political Rallies, and Christian Nationalist Patterns 16:08 Jezebel Rhetoric, January 6, and Repeating Political Prophecy Cycles 19:43 William Branham, JFK, Jacqueline Kennedy, and Weaponized Bible Typology 25:10 Hair, Dress Codes, and Creating a Visible Enemy 32:18 From Cult Isolation to One Nation “To” God 36:08 IHOPU, Grandiosity, and Becoming Heroes of the Story 40:49 Demonology, Communism, and Seeing Political Enemies as Demons 43:46 Charismatic Frenzy, Mental Health, and Nervous-System Conditioning 47:30 Jubilee Language, Tithing, and the Economics of Revival Rallies 50:13 Elim, IHOP KC, Lou Engle, and Cross-Pollinated Revival Networks 52:42 Cindy Jacobs, Spiritual Warfare Networks, and Closing Clarifications 54:27 Closing ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg  – Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham – Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books

Transcript

00:31Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.

00:35I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research

00:40at william-branham.org, and with me I have my co-host and friend, Brantley Smith, former

00:45member of IHOPKC.

00:48Brantley, I feel like every episode that we have, we're talking about the same thing.

00:52It's just, you know, this is a history that keeps repeating itself and repeating itself,

00:56and I had a person two days ago, I was talking to him on the phone, and they said,

01:01how do you come up with content?

01:02And you have to understand, if your history is repeating itself again and again, you can

01:08almost regurgitate the content.

01:09So people who think I'm a broken record, well, there's a reason for this.

01:14But what you don't know is that just yesterday I was digging deeper into Cindy Jacobs, which

01:22podcast is going to come out later on this, but I was looking out on the internet, I was

01:27trying to find, because somebody asked me, can you create a flowchart of her theological

01:31history?

01:32And those don't really work well whenever you have a history that's regurgitating itself.

01:37You have people who are cross-pollinating ideas, and there's just not a direct lineage of

01:43theology.

01:44But I thought I'd start with just, okay, who were her parents?

01:47What church did she go to?

01:49And you do some searches on the web, and quickly you find that she was a Southern Baptist,

01:54and her mother's name was, and it gives the name, but then every source that I found,

02:01every one of them said, and her father was a Baptist minister.

02:05Like, literally, they gave the name of the mother, and her father was a Baptist minister.

02:09So I'm like, huh, wait a minute, and start digging into that.

02:14They wouldn't name him, they would just give the title Baptist minister.

02:17If they did, I didn't find it, because I found the name, this one article that gave his,

02:24the year he died, so I pieced that together.

02:27Long story short, I found him as a Bible planter, or a church planter in Texas, just like it said

02:33in the obit, and then I found some stuff.

02:37And the stuff I found ties directly back to my research, so.

02:42Wow.

02:43It also ties to what we're going to talk about today, which is this theme of Christian nationalism,

02:49and I'll give my legal disclaimer.

02:52I am not connecting Cindy Jacobs to Christian nationalism with that statement.

02:56I'll let you draw your own conclusions when you watch my podcast, but there are, how shall

03:04I say it legally, there are some coincidences in history that are worth mentioning, and

03:09with that, I'll let you introduce the subject.

03:13Yeah, no, that's a fun fact before I go any further, is one of the financial contributors

03:19to the Firefly investigation into IHOP KC was Cindy Jacobs, and so we, one of my friends

03:26had a conversation with her and talked her into supporting it, and so, as an act of restitution,

03:32that if she wanted to hold these guys accountable, then put her money where her mouth is, and

03:35that's one good thing I can say about Cindy Jacobs, is that she gave some money towards that

03:39and helped us get that done.

03:42So, Sunday, this past Sunday, was the Rededicate 250 from when we're recording this, which was

03:50the big event on the National Mall in D.C. where, I don't even know how to describe who

03:59it was, I guess it's our government, was rededicating the country back to God, and it was very surreal,

04:09and like you said, like, this stuff just, keeping up with current events is enough, like, these

04:15guys are always doing the same stuff.

04:19The one particular thing that I wanted to start talking about, just because I think a lot of

04:25people will relate to this, who are on their journeys of recovering from being in these

04:31environments, was the Lou Engel connection that ended up happening.

04:36We can talk more about that in a second, but Lou, for me, I got connected to Lou before

04:44I knew about IHOPKC.

04:46Lou was this larger-than-life figure who kind of moved in and out of, or still moves in

04:52and out of, different charismatic, Gnar-adjacent spaces.

04:56For me, the place that I got introduced to him at was the Ramp in Hamilton, Alabama.

05:02That was led and founded by the old, I think she did Southern Gospel stuff, I think, Karen

05:07Wheaton.

05:08She was a singer, and she's the one who founded that, and it's kind of a youth thing down there.

05:14During my youth group days, we would take trips down for their conferences, and Lou was always

05:19one of the regular speakers, as well as Dutch Sheets, who also made an appearance there.

05:24And that's honestly, through that ministry, prior to that, but in conjunction with that

05:30ministry, we got connected with a worship leader named Eddie James, which is how I ended up

05:34at IHOP.

05:36And Eddie would do worship for Lou's call events and such.

05:40Whenever I was in Kansas City, I had a couple interactions with Lou.

05:46I doubt he would remember who I am.

05:47I got to play basketball with him and his son in a gym.

05:52Most people don't know that Lou was a basketball player in college, a little fun fact, and he

05:57had the scoring record for a long time.

05:59And his very Lou philosophy with basketball was, if you're cold, shoot until you're hot.

06:05If you're hot, shoot until you're cold.

06:06And so that's the one interaction I remember from that, shooting basketball with him and

06:10his son.

06:12And so I sat through many of solemn assemblies, through many times of Lou sharing dreams and

06:22visions and prophecies of his friend, of his friends or himself.

06:27Lou was always talking about the third great awakening coming to America.

06:31When I was at IHOP, it was around the 100th anniversary of the Azusa Street stuff.

06:35So that was always on his mind and stuff he was always talking about.

06:39The Call Jerusalem happened the year that I got to IHOP with Mike Bickle and Lou.

06:46And Lou was always at the One Thing conferences.

06:48And I used to always tell my friends and laugh about it whenever I was deep into it, that

06:52I hated hearing Lou speak because every time Lou spoke, I cried is what ended up happening.

06:57It elicited this response for me emotionally.

07:01And for me, I thought it was this very spiritual high moment.

07:06And I thought that that spoke to the anointing on Lou is the language that I would have used

07:13at the time.

07:14And so Sunday I'm watching this and I knew that Lou, I'd seen the program before and I

07:19knew that Lou had a spot in the program.

07:22And so I kind of watched bits and pieces of it here and there and finally found the part

07:25where he was preceding Lou coming on the platform was when actually whenever they played the

07:30video of our president reading the scripture from Second Chronicles.

07:34And then there was a segment with Lou and Dutch sheets together.

07:38And that was followed by, directly by Mike Johnson, praying the prayer to rededicate our country

07:45back to God, being one nation under God.

07:50And so as I'm hearing, as I'm seeing this happen, one of my friends, Susan, she always

07:58talks about how it's so funny seeing this environment that we've like tried so hard to leave,

08:05tried so hard to detangle from, to leave the cult.

08:09And then we open our eyes, turn on the news, and the cult is everywhere still.

08:15Like we left the Kansas City part, but now it's on our TVs, like in these same hooligans.

08:21I'm hearing Lou lead this prayer.

08:24And he's talking about, you know, the, I can't remember the buzzwords.

08:29He always uses his buzzwords, the critical moment, this juncture in history.

08:32You know, he's using all these, this loaded language stuff that he does.

08:35But for Lou, the thing that I was realizing in that moment of him walking up onto that

08:40platform to lead a prayer at a quote unquote solemn assembly of sorts is the way he would

08:44view it, a time of repentance and reconciliation back to God.

08:49And that the video before he walks on stage as the president and for Lou, that was huge.

08:56And you could see it in his excitement and in the way that he responded.

09:00And being around Lou as much as I was, like, I still don't know to this day if Lou, and

09:07it's not for me to judge, if Lou is a really sincere guy that believes all of this, or if

09:13there's more to the story there.

09:16But as Lou's given this, this call for people to repent and turn back, and he's talking about

09:20this moment that we're in, and I'm sure he probably said something about being on the

09:24mall in 2000 or something.

09:26And, you know, he's, he's got all these moments he refers back to, and he leads them in this

09:30prayer.

09:31And I remember thinking in my mind, like, man, like, I can't believe, like, I used to be

09:36on board with this stuff.

09:37And I'm processing it, you know, just with where I'm at and where most people understand

09:41me to be, but the weird thing that was happening was I was feeling my body respond in those

09:46familiar patterns that it did in, in like a worship service or an asylum assembly with

09:52Lou.

09:52I felt my adrenaline start pumping.

09:54I felt chills all over my body like I would whenever, before I would say that that was

09:58the presence of God.

10:00And I'm feeling all these sensations, but in my head, I'm going, okay, this is not, this

10:05is not spiritual.

10:06This is, this is a moment that is hijacking my nervous system.

10:11Like I was programmed to have these dopamine responses to these types of things.

10:18And I realized after that, like how common of an experience that is for us who have left

10:23those environments that whenever something familiar like that comes up, although we may

10:29intellectually know, like, this is not okay, or this is X, Y, Z, that sometimes our bodies

10:35don't feel that yet.

10:37And that there's that disconnect.

10:39And that's, that's a lot of the hard work of, of recovering from this stuff is getting

10:44our nervous systems into a place where they don't go haywire anymore.

10:48But yeah, so I wanted to share that little bit, but it's the whole event as a whole and

10:56the whole weekend as a whole.

10:57Um, there was a, a precursory event the day before led by Sean Foyt, um, and the roots

11:04of revival, um, little tour that he is on that's sponsored by America two 50, um, that

11:09he's most likely getting federal funding from.

11:13And so these, these things, it just, and I feel like I say this every time this is a part

11:17that feels like deja vu when we talk about it, it just makes my head spin.

11:20Like, I don't know how they keep doing this.

11:24That's, that's the part that, that blows my mind.

11:27There's so much to unpack there.

11:29I can actually spin off probably 10 different podcasts off of just that statement that, that

11:34you went through all of those things you went through.

11:37Let's talk about first the, um, the feelings you had, the triggers that you had.

11:41There's a reason why those triggers, triggers exist.

11:43And that is because the way that this movement has been framed in this, it's called revival

11:50culture, but it's not really revival.

11:52Like the biblical terms of revival, when they're talking about revival, they're really talking

11:57about rally.

11:57That's what it means.

11:59It's a rally.

12:00And even the language there, like they're toying with people's brains, whether purposefully

12:05or by accident, rededicate two 50 great name sounds like something that's, you know, something

12:13might be good, but in that language, what they're really saying, rededicate is revival

12:17in their mind, because it's a rally.

12:19They're holding a rally and because they're holding it for political parties, it is a political

12:24rally rally.

12:25There is no two ways about it that yes, they're using the word Christian.

12:29Yes, they throw out the name Jesus here and there, but this is a political rally.

12:34Again, the history keeps repeating itself.

12:36Whenever you do a political rally, what do you do?

12:39You charge and excite the people and give them an ultimatum.

12:43It's either now or never.

12:45It's this candidate or we're going to lose.

12:48All is lost.

12:49All hope is lost.

12:50It's very black or white.

12:51And so like when you use the word cult, it isn't so much that it's a cult as it is.

12:59It feels like a cult.

13:01The dynamics are like a cult because all politics is, is trying to excite people into a movement

13:06and those movements spin off into cults, Lou Engel, whether he knows he's part of this

13:12or not, whether he believes it or not, I come to look at it differently.

13:16This is like a big gear with all of the different cogs in the gear.

13:19And whenever you are part of, when you're a cog on this big wheel, you don't know that

13:26you're a cog.

13:27You're just part of the big wheel.

13:28And whenever it seems like there are so many different groups out there, so many different

13:33heads to this movement, it's because they're all part of that same wheel.

13:37And when that wheel spinning, it doesn't matter what part hits the political engine.

13:42It's still going to hit the political engine because that's what it is.

13:45If you go back in time, that's what they were doing, and there are a series of repeating

13:51histories.

13:52I've talked about a few of them.

13:53I talked about when FDR got elected.

13:56You had all of these fundamentalists just up in arms because they felt like FDR was inviting

14:03the false Jews into control of the White House.

14:06We've lost the country.

14:07We must take it back.

14:10Then JFK gets elected.

14:11Now you've got the Catholics.

14:13So they said, they said JFK was working with the Catholics.

14:17Weird rhetoric they used, but the thought was Catholics have taken control of the White

14:22House.

14:22We must take it back.

14:23We must rededicate.

14:25And maybe that's rededicate 150 or whatever it is.

14:29But it's this history that keeps repeating itself.

14:32And whenever you talk about it, it's really odd because it does feel cultish.

14:37There are people who are, I hate to say it, there are people who are brainwashed to the

14:42ideology.

14:43I can talk about something in history that is clearly evil.

14:48The JFK thing.

14:50Their biggest push against JFK was literally that they were giving equal rights to black

14:58people.

14:58And so you had up in arms.

15:01The federal government is forcing us to give equal rights to these people.

15:06No, we don't want to do that.

15:07We want states' rights, which is, it's altogether just, it's wrong what's happening.

15:12But the problem is, you can talk about that history, and then you can show the similarities

15:18to what's happening now.

15:20One is truly evil.

15:22Everybody would agree it's evil.

15:24But if you make that connection and say, see, it's the same thing happening here today.

15:28It's just a different branding, rebranding.

15:31You find all of these people who get up in arms saying, you're getting into politics.

15:36You're straying from your William Branham religious history, John.

15:40But I'm truly not.

15:41This whole engine that was built, it was Christian nationalism from its get-go.

15:45In fact, if you read my latest book, the name, the very name Christian nationalism was a political

15:52party that this emerged from.

15:54I had no idea about that.

15:55I didn't know the background there.

15:57Yeah, it's a machine that keeps rolling, and it keeps connecting in ways that I don't

16:03expect it to.

16:05I didn't know you were going to talk about Cindy Jacobs this morning, but I ended up coming

16:10going to cross over with Cindy Jacobs whenever I was looking at, because it's history repeating

16:15itself.

16:16It's the January, I'm going here, John.

16:20It was the January 5th before the January 6th stuff that they had their big rally.

16:26I think it was called the Rally for Revival or something like that.

16:29And the very Lou connected figure, Chaon, who was kind of his, I don't know if he sees him

16:35as like a spiritual father or brother.

16:36I don't know how they describe their relationship.

16:38He's his apostle and he's the prophet.

16:40I'm not sure how they define their relationship.

16:42But they wrote this book together where they popularized the Jezebel Jehu kind of analogy.

16:54I think it was called the Call for Elijah Revolution or something like that's what it was called.

16:59And we see that very politically charged language come up with Chae January 5th and where he talks

17:08about casting down Jezebel and Jehu's going to kill Jezebel kind of thing.

17:14Although they are not explicitly calling for violence, one can't help but imply whenever

17:23you look at these stories that they're very violent stories, specifically this Jezebel Jehu

17:30one, and whenever you start applying that to human beings, that's a step too far in my

17:38mind, a line that shouldn't be crossed.

17:41But then we fast forward.

17:44So that was prior to everybody knows about the stop the steal stuff with J6 and leading

17:49up to that.

17:50But then even this last cycle in October of 24, right before the November election, we saw

17:58a repeat of the same thing with the same language with the Million Women March, I think is what

18:04they called it, in D.C.

18:06And again, it was Chae naming Vice President Harris and saying that she's Jezebel, she needs

18:14to be cast down and Trump's going to do what he does to her.

18:20And then we fast forward to this weekend, and it's the same thing.

18:24And the thing that sticks out to me about the pattern of it, John, is that we're in a moment

18:29where public sentiment is very much shifting towards what's happening with the war that's

18:35going on and these different things.

18:36And a good way to get that base back, because factually, a big part of his base is this Christian

18:44voting bloc who thinks this way.

18:46I can't help but think that it's narrative control.

18:49It's a way to steer the people that I think that they were the ones who convinced people

18:55that the election was stolen to begin with.

18:57I think that they were a big piece of that.

18:59And now for them to come in, have Trump read a scripture, and it was so awkward.

19:04I don't know if you watched it, but he read the, you know, if my people will call by my

19:07name,

19:08we'll humble themselves and pray.

19:09But then he keeps going on past that and starts reading off the curses that are going to happen

19:13if people don't do it.

19:16And we talk about this often about, like, the coded language that gets thrown into these

19:20things and seeped in.

19:21And you can't help but see it as, like, veiled threats almost is how it feels at times.

19:26It's like, if you don't get in line, this is what's going to happen.

19:30And I was looking at all seeing that pattern of these three different events that have happened

19:35that are very similar in what they did and what they accomplished.

19:39But let me read you a quote.

19:41So this is 1962, Kennedy's in office, Jacqueline Kennedy is the First Lady.

19:47Branham starts saying things like this,

19:49I saw a boy in Cincinnati yesterday, he looked like Miss Kennedy.

19:53And then he goes on this rant of how he looks and says,

19:56I tell you, it's this Jezebel system of devils.

19:59It's got the whole world in corruption.

20:01And that was not the first time he used Jezebel in that way.

20:06But from there, he got more aggressive with it, and he started symbolizing Jezebel with

20:14the First Lady and Ahab with President JFK.

20:18Now, what this does, people who are sitting without their critical thinking on, they hear

20:24those names, and those are biblical names.

20:25You can preach a sermon about it.

20:27But think about what he's doing.

20:29He's actually branding the First Lady as Jezebel and branding Kennedy as Ahab.

20:34Now, everything he says in the future about Ahab and about Jezebel, he's actually referring

20:40to them.

20:40They know he is, but he can say whatever he wants.

20:44And he starts saying things like she was fed to the dogs because she wore makeup and because

20:49she was part of this system of, actually, he didn't talk about the system of idolatry,

20:53which was the worst thing in the makeup.

20:55But because she was part of the devil system, he would say, they fed her to the dogs.

21:00The people rose up and they fed her to the dogs.

21:02They killed her.

21:04He's saying that to a crowd of people that he has just convinced Jacqueline Kennedy was

21:08Jezebel that we should actually kill this person, right?

21:12Now, he didn't come out and say we should go kill Jacqueline.

21:15But when you do this, it's kind of a, it's a technique where you can program a mind to

21:22be so violently against something that if you have any mental health issues whatsoever,

21:27there are people who might try this and who knows what happened, what was going through

21:31Oswald's head.

21:33There is some weirdness, as I mentioned, with the revival themes.

21:39So Branham's part of this revival.

21:41Gordon Lindsay's leading the revival.

21:43He's there in Dallas.

21:44He's there in Dallas, and Dallas is where Sidney Jacob moved after she got married.

21:50You can almost go down the line of all of these figures that are really connected to

21:54this type of ideology.

21:56And I know people get angry because I started with the research into the Klan, talking about

22:02William Branham's mentor.

22:03He was the second in command.

22:05In Dallas, he was the kingpin.

22:08He was the wizard in Dallas at that same time.

22:11So as Branham's coming out with this, you have the white supremacy groups rising up.

22:17It's all working like one big, finely tuned engine.

22:21It doesn't mean that everybody's involved with white supremacy, but there is an alignment

22:27in the Christian nationalism.

22:28And I think that's the key that people need to understand.

22:32This was a breeding ground for people to take Bible themes, point them at political enemies,

22:38and then charge the public to be so violently against the political enemies that they would

22:45throw around terms.

22:46He started calling her dog meat, and so this became this weird thing.

22:51I grew up listening to sermons about how Jacqueline Kennedy was dog meat and just excited about

22:57that as a kid, not knowing that it's part of this political rally.

23:01So I've come to the terms with this.

23:03The Bible, when it talks about revival, it's talking about a renewal of your worshiping

23:08worship to God.

23:09It's not talking about a political rally.

23:12But every time you see revival, they're throwing underlying themes that either they're

23:18outright against the political party or they're building a doctrine that will eventually go

23:22towards a political party.

23:24It's one of the two.

23:25And that's really what's happening here.

23:27So whenever I see – I mean, look at the list of places that Lou Engel goes whenever he

23:31holds these rallies, and calling them revivals, I just – I can't imagine it for any other

23:38purpose.

23:39If you're going to go to Washington, D.C., if you're going to hold a rally, if you're

23:43going to go to some senator, whatever it is.

23:46We just had Hegseth come down to Kentucky, which is so odd, not a place.

23:53But because one of the – it was a senator, I think it was – was really strongly against

24:01the – how would I say this cleanly for YouTube?

24:05Really strongly against people who are misusing women, and there might have been an island

24:13involved with this.

24:15Because that was said, the president started fighting a campaign against a Republican who's

24:23in a state level.

24:25This is almost unheard of.

24:26It actually violates, I think, some political policies to do this kind of thing.

24:30So, it's all connected in this big wheel, and they're all just moving and flowing and

24:37moving this engine in a direction that goes further and further towards what we saw happen

24:42in the 1960s.

24:43And for me, it's really scary.

24:45Like, me to even say that on the podcast, I'm certain that they have tools that are going

24:51through finding all the people saying things, and it almost turns into –

24:5584.

24:55It's almost like the book 1984.

24:57Are you ready, John?

24:58John, I'm bolstering your prophetic history here.

25:03Oh, wow.

25:03I had a copy of it right here on my desk.

25:05I tried to read that.

25:05I can't get into it, but –

25:06I've got a digital copy, but it's not as cool.

25:08Okay.

25:10It's – yeah.

25:13Did I hear you right when you said that quote that he saw a boy and looked like Jacqueline

25:17Kennedy?

25:18Yes.

25:18So, that was one of the things that was flowing through the movement.

25:21There was this term that they used called bobbed hair.

25:24And what they wanted to do – it goes deeper than this, but what they wanted to do –

25:29I'm curious about this.

25:30You're hitting close to my roots, because I was hearing this kind of language in our

25:32independent Pentecostal circles.

25:34My granddad had a letter written about him because he had hair past his ears, and they

25:39passed it around to all the area ministers rebuking my granddad for having long hair like

25:43the Beatles.

25:44Yeah, so we – walking into the Branham Tabernacle, here I am.

25:49This is the year – we left in 2012.

25:51So, 2011.

25:53I'm walking to the Branham Tabernacle, my grandfather's church.

25:56When you walk in and you turn left, there's a bulletin board.

25:59On the bulletin board was an actual photograph of the Beatles and showed their hairstyles with

26:06big circles around them that William Branham had drawn.

26:09Christian men do not have their hair like this.

26:12And I remember thinking at the time, there's not really a single person in here that wants

26:17their hair to look like the Beatles.

26:19It's just not the way things are today.

26:22But now, you know, things have changed since 2012.

26:25I guess maybe the hairstyle is coming back.

26:27But the bottom line is this.

26:29There is a long history about men's hair that gets a little odd when you think through it.

26:36Because think of the Amish.

26:37The Amish actually have hair that are like the Beatles because they – it's almost like they

26:41put a bowl over their head and cut it, right?

26:43So, to them, to the Amish, it's not bad hair.

26:46To the Pentecostals, they actually respect the Amish ways of dress.

26:51So, they're okay with it.

26:53But if a Pentecostal did that, they'd be kicked out of church, man.

26:57It gets really odd when you think about it.

26:59But what happened during this rally culture – I'm not even going to use the word revival.

27:05During this rally culture, there were so many people who were aligned with that type of hairstyle,

27:15hairstyle, dress code, et cetera, who were supportive of Kennedy that it was very easy

27:20to brand somebody just how they look as being part of the enemy.

27:24So, if you gave them a visual cue – this is how the enemy looks, and we look different

27:30than this – now you've divided the people just visibly.

27:33They can walk in the mall and see a difference.

27:35So, part of it was that.

27:37Part of it was just simply the Pentecostals had some weird, weird views that are a little

27:42bit conflicting.

27:43I'll say it like that.

27:45But it all goes back to this.

27:46They were charging a people, uniting a people against a common threat.

27:51And the common threat was a political party, not a demon, not Satan, not sin.

27:56It was literally politics.

27:58I just want to – I mean, I'm sure people are getting from our inference, but it reminds

28:02me of the rhetoric towards trans people now is what it reminds me of.

28:07You can have your opinions about that, think what you want about that, but to paint that

28:11enemy – and what's so funny is that it's such a small percentage of society that identifies

28:17that way, but we act like they're the ones who are about to blow up the world when it's

28:21kind of the other way around.

28:23The thing that came to mind when you were talking about them getting us charged towards certain

28:27issues, I had a memory come back of – I can't remember the exact location, but the pro-life

28:35thing has always been kind of Lou's calling card.

28:39And he had his Bound for Life organization, had the J-HOP, the Justice House of Prayer that

28:46was based in D.C., where they would stand on the Supreme Court steps with life tape over

28:50their mouth for the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which is unfortunately – I guess they've

28:56seen the answer to their prayers.

28:59During that time, during the heyday of it, this would have probably been 2008 to 2010,

29:03sometime in that time, there was a doctor who did these, what would you call it, procedures

29:13for women, and one of them was attacked and taken out.

29:21And I remember – I can't remember verbatim what Lou said in those moments following that,

29:29but there was very much this implication of, see, this is what happens.

29:35God will get justice, and this is what will happen to the evildoers.

29:39And it was very much that kind of thing that was painted.

29:44Did you see yesterday the vice president's comments around – I guess they had a rally

29:53in the UK, I think it was called Unite the Kingdom, and I think it was kind of a counter

29:58to the no kings kind of stuff, if I'm not mistaken.

30:02And the press had asked him about it and if he supported it and what he thought, because

30:09it was very anti-immigration, the thing that shocked me, John, was for me with where I'm

30:18at now, what seemed to be very blatant, outright, discriminatory language that was used to the

30:27point that he named certain segments of people and called them that they tend to be poor,

30:34is what he said, that these certain classes of people and how we don't want the immigrants

30:40taking the jobs from these people and these classes because they're our people.

30:47But there was very much this undercurrent that you're very familiar with where they talk

30:52about our culture.

30:53They don't want our culture to get taken away.

30:55All these people coming in, we're going to lose our culture.

30:57They're going to take it away.

30:58They're taking all our jobs.

30:59It's very much just like fear-mongering thing.

31:03And it's just astounding to me that that thread is still the same, that the work that

31:10you've been doing, like we're back, we've done the full circle and like we're back there

31:14again.

31:15Like we thought that that was behind us in history, but yet we see people still just trying

31:19to peel it back to where it was.

31:23And it doesn't make any sense to me.

31:26Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal movement started or how the progression of

31:31modern Pentecostalism transitioned through the latter reign, charismatic, and other fringe

31:36movements into the new apostolic reformation?

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32:25I remember growing up, I was a bit of an oddball because I was in the cult.

32:30I was in the cult mentality.

32:32I was one of the few lucky ones that got to go to public school.

32:36And my parents would let me go to public school all the way up into high school.

32:41And so here I am in high school, kind of a loner, because I'm listening to these recordings

32:46of this dead preacher from 1965, right?

32:50And I'm walking to classes with my Walkman on, listening to what clearly would have sounded

32:56like Hitler screaming in my ears to people who weren't listening to what I was hearing.

33:01That's what it sounded like, right?

33:03So I'm kind of a freak, just to simply put it.

33:07I'm alone in my mind as compared to the rest of the school.

33:11So out of all of the school population, it was like me versus everybody.

33:15That's the feeling that I felt when I was in it.

33:19It didn't stop me in the slightest in my faith because I was dedicated.

33:24I was devoted.

33:25I didn't care if the whole world was against me.

33:28And if I was the only one, I was going to make it to heaven.

33:30And whether they did or not, that was up to them.

33:34But I was going to be the one to make it.

33:37That was the mentality that I had.

33:39And after I left that mentality, I started thinking about it.

33:43We were given that mentality that it doesn't matter what the world does because we're not

33:48part of this world.

33:49But yet we're going to fight to make sure it's part of us.

33:53And they would do things like, well, the national slogan, one nation under God.

34:00That just simply means that we're one of many nations who's under God, right?

34:05We would change it to one nation to God.

34:08In other words, we need to bring the nation back to God.

34:11And so you've got this competing thing happening in your mind where, well, I'm not one in a

34:16million and the rest of these people are lost.

34:18But on the other hand, I need to forcibly make them not lost.

34:22And how do you reconcile this?

34:24Because you can't.

34:26If they're lost forever and you're part of the elite group that's going to make it, you

34:31have to believe that the rest who aren't part of the elite group, they're not going to make

34:35it.

34:35But yet we had this conundrum.

34:38Fast forward to today's world.

34:40All of this that has been built on top of randomism, they have maybe not to the same

34:45extent, but they have the same type of mindset.

34:49Mike Bickle, the Kansas City Prophets, all of these guys saying that if you're part of

34:53this group, we're going to, basically, we're going to establish the kingdom through this

34:58prayer and fasting.

34:59We're going to be the ones who convert to everybody.

35:02And then they invite people who hold political rallies that are literally saying we need to

35:07forcibly take it back.

35:09So you can't really have both, but they have competing interests.

35:13And the reason for that is there are two counterparts to it.

35:17There's the one counterpart, which is the church, where you're indoctrinating the people.

35:21The people get very, I don't know, they get very broken, where they can't critically think.

35:27Once they can't critically think and they attend a rally, now every single thing that

35:31is said religiously in that rally, they're going to instantly pick it up.

35:35It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong.

35:37It doesn't matter even if it's ethical.

35:39They're going to pick it up.

35:40And they don't critically think about things.

35:43Like you mentioned the example of the very heated political issues around gender right

35:49now.

35:49They don't really stop to think that, yes, it's a minority.

35:53It's not like they're trying to take over the country.

35:55But when they hear the political rally that these people are taking over the country, I

35:59just, it blows your mind when you think about it.

36:02But I understand how it all works.

36:04It's one finely tuned engine.

36:05The church is just one piece of that engine.

36:08Yeah.

36:08And the stories that get told, like it feeds into the grandiosity of it all.

36:13And I think people are talking more and more of like the narcissistic traits that happen

36:19within Christianity with leaders and even with individuals just because everything is

36:23so individualized.

36:26And I remember, like I remember Lou saying things, this isn't a direct quote, but I remember

36:34him and Mike alluding to things like the house of prayer, like there would be a house of prayer

36:38in the White House type thing.

36:40Like this was going to be like the governmental thing.

36:43And it made us the heroes of the story is what it did.

36:47And I remember being in IHOP U that, I don't think I've really talked about this surprisingly,

36:52but in IHOP U, they would talk about how we had job security, like with what we were going

36:58into because there was going to be houses of prayer all over the nation and that it was

37:02going to become a governmental type thing and that we were going to, like along with

37:07that, you had this implied feeling of there was going to be influence and power and all

37:11these different things.

37:12And so this grandiosity kind of fed into it and very similar to what I see with like

37:21colonialism and like this expedition, like let's go into the great unknown and discover

37:28and pioneer.

37:29Like it was making ourselves the heroes of the story so that we couldn't see our own

37:34shortcomings, I think, because that's the thing that you have to overcome is realize that

37:40you're not the hero that you think you are.

37:43And I very much relate to your listening to tapes in school because the memory that came

37:49to mind as soon as you said that was I was sitting in Spanish class and I had a book

37:54written

37:55by Francis Frangipan and I think it was called This Day We Fight is what it was called.

38:01I can't even remember the content of the book, but I can imagine by the title This Day We Fight

38:05that it was, you know, probably charged.

38:08And I remember my Spanish teacher coming up and grabbing the book and looking at it and

38:12kind of looking at me and she's like, what is this?

38:16And, but for me, I wore that like a badge of honor.

38:19Like it was the, you know, I wanted to be ridiculed.

38:23I wanted to be the Jesus freak.

38:24Like all this stuff was like marketed to us, like with the Fox's Book of Martyrs and even

38:29like the history maker language was big for us.

38:32And, you know, for with Lou, he would have said something like for such a time as this,

38:37you know, and go the Esther route and the, the other, the other memory I had come to mind this

38:44week.

38:46I think this was probably a little over a year ago that I heard Mike Johnson given some

38:51statements in the chamber and I can't remember the broader context of it because I had to be

38:57watching it because of some political event going on.

39:01And Mike Johnson makes a statement about, I guess, over one of the doorways in the chambers

39:05there, the house is that, um, there's the, the one nation under God written over the door doorway.

39:11And of course he goes to the communism kind of route.

39:15And I heard him bring it up on Sunday too.

39:18And, um, and he boldly declares there in the chambers in front of everyone.

39:22We have to remember that we're one nation under God and that the only thing that makes us

39:26different than the communist is that we have a God and it was this positioning again.

39:33And, um, and I see that in small ways in, I think people in my age group are moving away

39:42from that, like, from like, as far as like a national identity kind of thing.

39:46But I see that with, with older folks and the story that they believe, the stories they

39:50believe about our country, which I'm grateful for our country.

39:53I am, but that it's very, um, rose colored glasses, I guess.

39:59And, and that it was that we are better than the communist, you know, the very much the

40:03red scare stuff, but it made this positioning of, of like a heroism again, that we're the

40:09heroes, we're the good guys.

40:11Um, and it makes it near impossible, um, to see the shortcomings of the movement.

40:18And I think that's why it takes crisis or, um, something significant for people to be

40:24able to wake up and see it for what it was.

40:27It's ironic that we're talking about this because that was 2020 for me, like leading

40:30up to the January season, like that's what was that woke me up was, was seeing all of

40:34that stuff play out in front of me.

40:36Um, and, and remember getting off the plane on, on January 6th, we're flying to Idaho.

40:41I remember read, popping it open and reading the headline and just shaking my head.

40:45Like it just didn't seem real.

40:48Didn't seem real.

40:49You're talking about reading that book.

40:50And it reminded me when you're in this type of mentality, you don't really think of what

40:55the world around you thinks when they see the things that you're reading or listening

40:59to.

41:00And I'll, I'll embarrass the family member who did this, but when my brother was being

41:06born in the hospital room, my father was reading this book by William Branham called

41:12Demonology.

41:13So, you know, and that's the precursor to all of this deliverance stuff that you see

41:18today.

41:18People don't recognize that, but he was reading Demonology and I can just imagine now that

41:24I know this, I was too young to really pay attention.

41:26But now that I know this, I'm picturing the nurse walking in and seeing this thing.

41:30Oh my gosh, is that Rosemary's baby over there?

41:33What in the world?

41:35But that's the mentality that we took, you know, and, um, people don't realize how much

41:41that influences you.

41:42When you think that you're in a world of angels and demons and that people themselves

41:48are demons out to get you.

41:50You mentioned communists.

41:51I grew up with the same communist rhetoric.

41:54Every communist out there is an atheist.

41:56They're out to get us.

41:57They're the enemy.

41:57It's literally us versus them.

41:59I was so shocked the first time I met a Christian communist.

42:03I really was.

42:04I was like, wait a minute.

42:06That can't be.

42:08And so I had to go off into a study, you know, rabbit trail of studying communists.

42:13What is it?

42:14And there are a lot of communists who are atheists and there are regimes that push atheism

42:19right.

42:19But the, uh, the original idea wasn't so much that it was that social, the social orders

42:26controls the destiny of the country more than the divine order.

42:30That's it.

42:31It kind of defies some Christian fundamentals, but there are Christians within communism.

42:36And there, in fact, in Russia, there have been for decades, the Orthodox Christian churches.

42:42So we were charged against people.

42:45We were taught that they were demons where they were demonized, I should say.

42:50And now combine that mentality.

42:52That's what we learned on the church side.

42:54Now take that back to the rally side.

42:57After you've been told that all of these people have demons in them, they're in the demon agenda.

43:01They're Satan and his demons wanting to get policy X into the White House, whatever it is.

43:06Well, you start to see this world very differently in the political rally that they're calling

43:11revival.

43:12You start to see every single person as literally the face of a demon coming to get you and

43:18you get really angry and people do some really stupid stuff because they have taken that

43:23mentality.

43:24Fortunately, there are a large number of people who don't have mental health issues in these

43:29movements, but there's also a percentage that do.

43:32And that's really, for me, that's the scariest part because if you're telling people that's

43:37your enemy, that's the devil, and inside this person is this demon that's out to get you,

43:42eventually somebody's going to crack.

43:44And that's really, really scary.

43:46Yeah.

43:47Yeah.

43:47I see it frequently and saw it recently.

43:51I won't give too much details.

43:53But of people in charismatic spaces that they just get themselves worked up into a frenzy.

44:01And I think it's very mental health related because I see the guilt and the different

44:07things that they handle.

44:10I'm trying not to give too much away from conversations, but I see how they balance all

44:13these internal struggles and such that are happening.

44:16And then they whip themselves up into such a frenzy to get their adrenaline pumping and

44:22such, just to be able to get that moment of just like cathartic release, I guess, of like

44:27an ecstatic dance type thing.

44:29I'm just like, ah!

44:32And it's heartbreaking to see people have to jump through those hoops to feel okay about

44:37themselves or to feel like that God is okay with them.

44:40Um, it's, it's not a, uh, a worldview that I ever want to ascribe to again.

44:48Um, and so those, those things are, those things are difficult and seeing how it affects

44:53people's minds.

44:54Me and my wife, I may have shared this story.

44:56We went to a charismatic worship gathering, uh, I guess it was a little over a year ago

45:00and I was kind of going through, uh, I think I told you a little bit about this.

45:04It was kind of like exposure therapy for me.

45:05I was going and I was kind of enjoying it, but I still, to this day, I don't know why

45:10I was enjoying it.

45:11I think it was just the nervous system programming.

45:13And I think something about it felt good.

45:15Uh, but we see this lady whipping herself up into a frenzy.

45:19And, uh, the thing that, that kind of was the cue is she, she broke out a thing of bubbles,

45:24John.

45:26I'd never seen this before.

45:28She was something like, almost like one of those wedding favor little bottles of, of

45:31bubbles.

45:32She whips it out, takes the cap off and it's going blowing it around while everybody's worshiping

45:35or whatever.

45:38And this lady's probably, she's probably 50 years old.

45:41I bet she's got blonde hair, like a pleasant looking lady.

45:45And she, she walks up to this older lady standing in front of us who was in her eighties probably.

45:49And she walks up to her and she hands her the little vial of bubbles.

45:53She goes, praise him with the bubbles, praise him with the bubbles.

45:57I just, I mean, I don't know how me and my wife kept it together.

46:00And it was funny.

46:00There was a visiting pastor that was there.

46:02There was like, for some kind of special event, there was a, uh, a pastor from the city sitting

46:06behind us and him and his wife both like lost it.

46:09Like, I think they were charismatic too, but they saw how ridiculous it was.

46:12And then later this lady ends up grabbing the microphone.

46:15They're having like a little prayer time in the altar.

46:17And she just starts screaming in the mic, JC is in the house, JC is in the house.

46:24And so like, I laugh about it, but it's also very sad.

46:30But, but I think, I think I told my wife that night, I was like, you know, like if, if

46:33people

46:34are, are, are happy, like, who am I to judge that?

46:37Like, if they're having a good time, they're enjoying themselves, they're not hurting anybody.

46:40But at the same time, you see how far detached from like reality that people get.

46:46Um, and I think that, that this ideology encourages that sometimes, like that's what we did to

46:51ourselves in the prayer room was like the language we use when we would always talk about being

46:55in a funk and we got to get ourselves out of the funk.

46:58Thank you, Corey Russell for, for that.

47:00And, and what we would do to get out of a funk is we would scream in tongues for an

47:05hour.

47:05Like, that's what we would do.

47:06We would get in the side room in the prayer room and we would scream in tongues until we

47:11felt, but pretty much our body chemistry changed.

47:13Like we felt like the dopamine hit, we felt the adrenaline rush, we felt this.

47:16And that just meant, you know, we got our breakthrough.

47:18We got through the funk and got breakthrough in the spirit and the breaker anointing, all that

47:22stuff.

47:24So, um, I don't know how I got there, but yeah, we're talking about mental health.

47:28That's what it was.

47:29Darrell Bock The bubbles is the polar opposite extreme

47:32of somebody who puts the Alka-Seltzer in their mouth and goes into the baptismal.

47:37Both serve the same purpose, but one is accepted and one is not in this movement.

47:42You know, they have framed it that this is a biblical move of God.

47:48This is a revival.

47:49They're pushing it as a revival.

47:51It's a rally.

47:52But they're adding words and terms to it to make it sound more biblical.

47:58But yet the words and terms are so far off the mark.

48:01Jubilee.

48:02That's one of the things that they'll offer.

48:04We're going to have a jubilee at our political rally.

48:06Darrell Bock That's what Lou called it.

48:07That's what Lou called it.

48:08He said this was America's jubilee.

48:09That's what he said.

48:10Darrell Bock I'll never forget the surprise whenever I was able to critically think and

48:15I stopped and thought about the tithing system in Pentecostalism.

48:19And this goes beyond Pentecostalism, but everybody's giving 10%.

48:24And in Branhamism, it was one step further.

48:26You gave 10% before they took your tax out.

48:30Darrell Bock Oh, wow.

48:30Darrell Bock So you gave them just a little bit more.

48:33Darrell Bock But when I could critically think, I stopped and

48:36did the math.

48:37Every tenth person is a salary, man.

48:39Darrell Bock Yeah.

48:39Darrell Bock So this minister is just raking in the money.

48:42And then when I started reading the tithing system, it was more like a banking system.

48:47I think you and I have talked about this.

48:49You gave some money in, but every seventh day, nobody worked, and they took things out.

48:54And when I said give money in, I'm speaking loosely because they were giving goats.

48:58Darrell Bock Yeah.

48:59Darrell Bock And I would just love for some Pentecostal dude to walk into church with a

49:02goat and say, here, pastor.

49:03Darrell Bock Or a bag of grain.

49:04Darrell Bock Bag of grain.

49:06Darrell Bock But that was what it was.

49:08Darrell Bock It was so that the people had enough in times whenever they could take a

49:12rest.

49:13Darrell Bock And then after on the 49th year was the year of the Jubilee.

49:18Darrell Bock So for two years, they partied, and they partied well on their own dime that

49:23they had given the priest.

49:24Darrell Bock So there's a couple problems here.

49:25Darrell Bock Number one, these preachers aren't priests.

49:28They're not the high priest.

49:29They're not the one who controls the money in the first place.

49:32Darrell Bock Number two, on the year of Jubilee, they gave all the money back.

49:35Darrell Bock So if this were to be a true Jubilee instead of a political rally, everybody who

49:40attends should be given money because they've given so much money in, but they're not doing

49:45this.

49:46Darrell Bock They're not giving your money back.

49:47Darrell Bock If you ever go to a call event or a one thing event, one of these big rallies,

49:52as we'll call it, there's always a big offering moment.

49:56Darrell Bock It's not for the people that are getting something.

49:58Darrell Bock It's because they have spent millions of dollars usually on doing this event

50:02to enter in the hole, and I've heard stories of those bills not being paid and all kinds

50:07of stuff in these crusades, but yeah, it's very, very backwards, and I don't know what's

50:15going to happen with all of it.

50:16Darrell Bock There was one connection I wanted to ask you

50:18about before we wrap up, if you had any comments on it, because I feel like I've heard you reference

50:24this group segment before, but that I know, and the reason I bring it up is because there's

50:29a handful of IHOP leaders that have connections to these people that come directly from that

50:34space, and even some worship leaders.

50:36Darrell Bock From upstate New York, there's the Elam Association of Churches, and that's

50:41where Lou came from, was from that Elam stuff, and then people who are familiar with IHOP

50:47Casey, it's where Dave Slyker came from, it's where Bob Sorge came from, and some other

50:53people that I won't name because they're kind of out and on our side now, but some worship

50:57people, and I'm curious if you know what those connections are, because I'm curious how Lou

51:05even fits into all this, how he met Mike, it's just a weird thing when you look at all, but.

51:10Darrell Bock Yeah, like I said with Cindy Jacobs, when you

51:12try to paint a diagram and draw nice little neat arrows of lines of influence, it's really

51:19better if you want to fully do it accurately, you take a paint gun and you just splatter

51:24the paint everywhere, that's how this cross-pollination works.

51:27However, Elam is connected, and I have mentioned it a few times.

51:31In fact, there's a lady who comes on my podcast from time to time who came out of Elam.

51:36Darrell Bock Oh, okay.

51:37Darrell Bock They were deeply connected into the healing revival, and you have to understand

51:40that there are multiple Elams, and they're not, they're loosely connected, they're not

51:46all the same thing, but Elam as a movement, I think, started in the UK, if I remember correctly.

51:51But in my research, I was studying the Elam connections to the original Lateran, the Sharon

51:57Orphanage, all of this.

51:58There were some deep connections, and she went a little bit further.

52:03Darrell Bock She said that while much of the Lateran stuff was denounced, they're having

52:09people like Lou Engle who are coming to their revivals.

52:12Sean Foyt came to one of their recent revivals.

52:15Darrell Bock So they're participating still, and it's just, like I said, if you look at it

52:22as a gear that's moving an engine, you've got all of these teeth that are on that gear.

52:27Sean Foyt The teeth don't really know all of the other teeth that are involved, but they're

52:31still spinning that same engine.

52:32Sean Foyt And Elam is one piece of this.

52:35Sean Foyt IHOP KC is one piece.

52:36Sean Foyt Bethel is one piece.

52:38Sean Foyt That engine, sadly, is politics.

52:40Sean Foyt That's really what this is trying to turn.

52:42Darrell Bock Yeah.

52:43Sean Foyt As Leonard Skinner says, big wheels keep on turning.

52:46Sean Foyt I was thinking the same thing.

52:48Sean Foyt You said it earlier, and I missed it.

52:50Sean Foyt You said big wheels.

52:52Sean Foyt The thing I wanted to ask about the Sidney Jacobs crossover.

52:55Sean Foyt Do you know of her involvement in the stuff

52:57in 21, January 21?

53:00I came across something that said that she was leading some spiritual warfare during that

53:04time.

53:05Sean Foyt Have you come across any of that?

53:06Darrell Bock I did.

53:07Sean Foyt I'm cautious to talk about it.

53:08Sean Foyt In fact, I'm going to redirect our conversation because there are, like I said,

53:13they are getting very, very crazy with their censoring.

53:16Sean Foyt So I don't want to go too far with that, but anybody who wants to know what

53:21you just talked about, just go to Wikipedia.

53:23Sean Foyt I think it's even on Wikipedia if you want to

53:25look it up.

53:26Sean Foyt But yes, very, very deeply involved.

53:29Sean Foyt She was in the 80s.

53:30Sean Foyt She started, what was it called, Generals

53:33International or something like this, basically this foundation that turned into God's generals.

53:38Sean Foyt She was on the Council of Wizards with, I'm using wizards jokingly, with C.

53:44Peter Wagner, Bickle, others.

53:46Sean Foyt So she's deeply embedded in this.

53:48Sean Foyt Yeah.

53:48Sean Foyt She's, but again, she's just one little gear, one little spike in the gear

53:54that's spinning this whole thing, and I should qualify everything that I've just said and

54:00everything that you've said as well.

54:01We're not really criticizing Christians for praying for the country, even though that's

54:06what they say these rallies are.

54:08Sean Foyt That's not what the rallies are though.

54:10Sean Foyt The rallies are something far more political.

54:12I think Christians should pray for neighbors, enemies, nations, but think about that.

54:18Neighbors, enemies, nations, that's not what they're doing in these rallies.

54:22If you're the enemy, you're the enemy.

54:23Sean Foyt It's a totally different mindset than

54:25Christianity.

54:27Sean Foyt Agreed.

54:29Sean Foyt Yeah, it's a mess, but thank you for doing this.

54:31Sean Foyt Yeah, absolutely.

54:32Until next time.

54:33Sean Foyt Until next time.

54:34Sean Foyt Well, if you've enjoyed our show and you want more information,

54:36you can check us out on the web.

54:37You can find us at william-brannum.org.

54:40For more about the dark side of the New Apostolic Reformation, you can read Weaponized Religion

54:44from Christian Identity to the NAR.

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