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00:00Are these big changes to the roster just wishful thinking,
00:04these quote-unquote big changes coming to the roster?
00:06Afternoon Drive had an interesting conversation yesterday,
00:09and I wanted to bring it to you.
00:10Do we have to choose between Donovan and Evan?
00:14Not necessarily.
00:15Because my first thought is there is no choice.
00:17You pick Donovan.
00:18They go, whoa, wait a minute.
00:19Don't say that out loud just yet.
00:21I'm having an internal monologue externally.
00:24Don't just say it out loud just yet because I'm going, well, one guy,
00:28one guy is a big, big wing.
00:31The other guy, he's tough, strong, but he is diminutive in size.
00:39But is Evan ever going to get to the place that Donovan is?
00:43So if you're forced, are we, first off, are we forced to make a choice here?
00:47You're not forced to.
00:51There's no, like, immense timetable that says right this instant they got to flip Evan to satiate Donovan.
01:02But there are, like, he has his player option, Donovan, and he's in line for more money.
01:07He could sign an extension today that would be cheaper for the Cavs but would give Donovan the security.
01:15Or they can wait a year, then things are a little bit more up in the air, but then Donovan
01:20can get the $70 million per year.
01:23Remember, Donovan was not able to cash in at the highest value because of the Utah bird rights thing.
01:29So, you know, on his side of things, he could be saying, I never got the most amount of money
01:33I could possibly get like some of these other players.
01:35And if I wait a year, I could do that.
01:37So those are the time-sensitive matters that are into this so far.
01:42But as far as, like, the team doesn't have to divide them up right this instant today or it's dread
01:50or we're going to be doing a is LeBron staying or going thing every day with Donovan right this instant.
01:56It doesn't have to boil down to that.
01:58So, no, to answer your question, I know it's a lot of words.
02:00They don't have to do something.
02:01I just assume they might because I figured Dan Gilbert was getting antsy.
02:08That's all.
02:09But I don't know.
02:10Maybe he's not.
02:10Hey, they failed a few years.
02:12Maybe he's not at all.
02:12They failed a few years ago and people thought that was it a few years ago.
02:15When they lost to the Knicks, people thought that, okay, that can't be the way.
02:20And then they lost to the Celtics and people go, they really can't bring this back.
02:24And they, damn, they brought it right back.
02:27They did it again.
02:28And they kept Kenny Atkinson.
02:30They are keeping Kenny Atkinson.
02:31They're not going to the one thing that we tend to easily do in that league, which is, oh, just
02:36fire the coach.
02:37Anybody can coach an NBA basketball team.
02:40We won a championship firing a coach mid-season.
02:43Somebody who'd never coached before.
02:44But you kept saying the other day, because you thought he was going to be gone by, on Tuesday, you
02:49thought he might be gone by noon.
02:50And then yesterday, you were like, well, big changes must be coming.
02:54Do we know that?
02:54I don't know if we know that.
02:55No.
02:56We do not know that.
02:56I have one guy who, LeBron does have a no-trade clause.
02:59I got one guy who doesn't, but then you have to sign him to a contract.
03:03And Giannis Antetokounmpo, these are the two biggest pieces that we're going after here, that we're talking about here.
03:08And it's like, neither of these guys have, both of them have great reasons.
03:13Giannis actually has fewer.
03:14But both of them have great reasons why they would not want to be involved with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
03:20And it would be nice to finish the career with LeBron here.
03:23It'd be nice to have Giannis here.
03:25He's a fabulous player.
03:26It speeds up the clock, but I think everybody's clock is sped up now.
03:30And it's already sped up even more after the James Harden trade.
03:33But, man, we keep bringing up the future and keep bringing up these trades.
03:37I'm going, they could very well go into October with this same exact squad.
03:43You can't guarantee any of this stuff.
03:45And I understand that there's going to be a malaise, but I don't know if they just kept Kenny Atkinson
03:50with the thoughts of them making major big-time changes.
03:53I don't.
03:54I don't think that you can do that, considering their history is on my side.
03:58When I make the argument going, you can't guarantee any of that stuff, their history is on my side.
04:02But, considering what I just laid out for you there.
04:05So, you can't guarantee any of that.
04:06Here is the interesting thing right now that has happened that hadn't happened before.
04:11So, what do I say about Donovan Mitchell always when we've talked about him the last four years?
04:16He's a top-10-ish player in the NBA.
04:20And he is somebody that, come playoff time, has been able to elevate his game, make tough shots,
04:27put up those 30, 40, even 50-point games in the playoffs.
04:31And there's only a handful of guys in the league that can do that.
04:35But this is the first time, and I think you've seen some of this.
04:39And you let me know if you guys think I'm telling tales out of school here on Donovan.
04:45This is the most criticism I've ever seen him get.
04:48Like, this is the most...
04:49I thought in years past, he's been one of the guys that's been able to skate.
04:54Because people have not put their failure to get out of the second round.
04:57They haven't really put it...
04:58You're talking about nationally or Cleveland?
04:59Yes, nationally.
05:00Because I think Cleveland, the tide has shifted on him from, well, he just can't lead us to a championship.
05:06I don't know that he's being criticized.
05:08It's just he's not the number one anymore.
05:11He's not the guy that will be the best player on a championship team.
05:15I think Cleveland's finally accepted that, right?
05:17They know, yeah, they know that he can't carry a team.
05:21Like, LeBron, you could put so many different types of players and teams and coaches around him.
05:26He could drag them to the Eastern Conference Finals.
05:28Donovan can take over a game.
05:29He can't take over a series.
05:30And what we also saw this year is that deterioration that we had seen by the end of the second
05:37round every year,
05:38now it kind of was even more pronounced.
05:40Like, where was the burst?
05:42Tim Legler said on a pod yesterday, where were the dunks?
05:45He used to be a guy that could attack the rim.
05:49I think he's playing banged up.
05:50I think he was really banged up.
05:52But what he just said, that was the key, brother.
05:55See, this is where the Evan, and I know you want to play Fedor coming up here in a bit,
06:00and we will coming up at 7.01.
06:01We also got this Brendan Soresby conversation I have coming up here around 7.22 this morning.
06:07Also, by the way, 8 o'clock this morning, I want to tell everybody, it's not just a Brownstown.
06:11You are a smart sports town, and I have proof coming up at 8.01.
06:15Like, you've accused us of just being a Brownstown, Tone.
06:18I got proof coming up at 8.01 that we are not.
06:21It's a smart sports town, and that's not just me trying to play patty cakes.
06:25What Owen just said, that's the key.
06:27Because when Fedor, and we'll play that clip coming up at 7.01, I promise.
06:32When Fedor talks about, you know, maybe the Cavs haven't empowered Evan enough.
06:36Maybe they've been trying to make him do things that he's not capable.
06:39See, they're still people.
06:40Evan had, and I know he had a couple of clunkers there.
06:42I mean, good God, they played 17 games of basketball, wasn't it, in the postseason?
06:47You saw highs and lows out of everybody.
06:4918, thank you.
06:4918 games, my goodness.
06:5118 games of basketball.
06:53You had, I mean, that's a quarter of a season in such a short amount of time.
06:57You have a guy who'd had a couple of clunkers in there.
07:00But, damn it, I thought he had a very nice series.
07:03I thought he had a very nice series, by and large, with all three opponents.
07:06I thought that he was a lone bright spot at times for the Knicks series.
07:11I don't think that he was afraid of the moment.
07:15And I also think that it's just still too little too late, maybe, for a lot of fans where they
07:20didn't see enough to fully trust him.
07:22Because, had Evan been doing this during the regular season, had Evan not been kind of on the back burner
07:29there,
07:29where he wasn't even mentioned after winning Defensive Player of the Year, he wasn't even mentioned among those guys.
07:34Like, you brought it up about All-Star Weekend.
07:36Like, Evan should take this personally.
07:37He's not even there.
07:38He was an afterthought.
07:39He's an afterthought.
07:40Had that had been a different story, I think there'd be a hell of a lot more people going,
07:44wait a minute, we have a seven-footer, a dynamic wing, we got what we wanted, Donovan can stay or
07:48leave.
07:48What Owen just said is damn straight.
07:51But I think a lot of people know in the back of their minds, like, hey, he might be more
07:55capable because of the type of player that he is.
07:57And that's perfectly fine.
07:58This is not a knock on Donovan.
07:59Some of this stuff is just science, genetics, you can't do very much.
08:04That Donovan, and we were saying this three years ago, eventually Evan has to take over.
08:09Did the Cavs do what's necessary to make sure that Evan was in a position to take over,
08:15and then Donovan could be in that passenger seat for him?
08:18And I think a lot of Cavs fans are thinking what Owen just said and don't want to say it.
08:23That they know that he's a number one on this team, okay, but ultimately they'd be a hell of a
08:28lot more comfortable.
08:29If Evan were the number one, you don't have to make crazy trades, you don't have to give up on
08:34your future.
08:34And Donovan was naturally the number two on this basketball team.
08:38And because of where we're stuck at, because we still don't trust Evan enough, I love Evan and I'm still
08:42not there,
08:43because we don't trust him enough, now we're forced to talk all these crazy things and machinations
08:48and basically begging guys who may or may not even be interested to come here and have pie-in-the
08:53-sky ideas.
08:54He, in that room, is 100% right.
08:56He just said the quiet part out loud.
08:582-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
09:00I want to play that feed or audio when we come back, because this might be a Cavs situation here
09:05and why we aren't feeling that way with Evan.
09:07But are we choosing between Donovan and Evan?
09:11And if you had to choose, which one are you choosing?
09:13If Owen was willing to say the quiet part out loud, are you willing to?
09:18Feed or O2 here.
09:20The afternoon show discussed having to make a choice between Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell.
09:24I think that right now I have to pick Donovan.
09:28Do you pick Donovan or do you pick Evan?
09:32I called in the afternoon show yesterday and kind of made a case.
09:35You made a case for who?
09:37For Donovan.
09:37Okay, that you would keep Donovan.
09:40But, you know, this is tough because, and we'll get to this feed or clip, I'll be quick.
09:45Like, Donovan has been considered a top 10 player.
09:48Evan Mobley has been more in the realm of, like, 25th, right?
09:55But, obviously, like, Evan Mobley is so much of a better defender.
10:00He does a lot more things than Donovan does.
10:03Mm-hmm.
10:05And you would look at the Cavs, like, I don't want to make them seem like they're a bottom five
10:10team,
10:10which is, it's funny, the way people talk about the team, they're down on everybody.
10:13They're down on the whole roster.
10:15They get swept.
10:15Man, there are 23 teams that would trade their roster, I think, right now with the Cavs.
10:20Yeah, but I think once we get past the finals, like, if the Knicks go out there and they just
10:24get throttled or good,
10:26well, they might think we're even further away.
10:28If the Knicks go out there and win, maybe people are going to think we're closer.
10:30Who the hell knows?
10:31But I just think after the season, maybe people will warm up to them again compared to where they've been
10:36right now.
10:37This is not good.
10:38Not fun.
10:38But, yeah, Evan is just his youth.
10:41You tend to think all these things are going to come, because we do that all the time in every
10:47sport with young players,
10:49especially that you look at him and you see how dominant of a defensive player he was, like, right away.
10:57And so the teams, the ceiling, excuse me, the floor is always going to be higher with Evan Mobley.
11:03The question is, can he ever get to the peaks that Donovan Mitchell can?
11:08And if you remove Donovan from the equation, like, what are the Cavs the next two years?
11:15If I remove Donovan from the equation and I add who?
11:18And let's say you get a couple of okay wings, because you're not going to get, nobody's giving up elite
11:23wings.
11:24They're just not in this league.
11:25They can play defense.
11:26Oh, my God.
11:26I didn't even realize that we're having the same conversation we had about Darius.
11:30Well, now we're stuck.
11:33We have to pick Donovan.
11:36Who's going to trade?
11:36We're just going to have the same problem.
11:38You're just going to trade.
11:38Who would you trade Donovan for?
11:41The Bucs ain't going to accept him.
11:43The Lakers?
11:44Maybe the Lakers.
11:45Could the Lakers do it?
11:46There's been this talk recently of Jalen Brown and the Celtics.
11:50I just don't know why the Celtics would.
11:52The Celtics would take Donovan Mitchell in a trade for Jalen Brown.
11:56Somebody tell me the impetus for the Celtics to take the far worse defensive player and the smaller, shorter player.
12:04I think he's exceptional.
12:05Why is he even a conversation?
12:06Yeah, I mean, they just don't know if it's run its course with Jason Tatum.
12:10But none of it is actual basketball-wise.
12:13Because the basketball, like Jalen Brown is one of the best two-way players in the entire sport.
12:19And you pick Jason Tatum over Jalen Brown.
12:20I'm not making an argument.
12:21I'm asking.
12:22You pick Jason Tatum over Jalen Brown.
12:24Why?
12:28Probably can be a more efficient offensive player.
12:30Okay, that's okay.
12:32That's fair.
12:33But I thought Jalen Brown took huge steps forward the last two years in playmaking.
12:37I think Jalen Brown's fantastic.
12:40I love Donovan.
12:41I love what he's done here.
12:42I mean, if you were forcing me to make the trade, I'd make that trade.
12:45I'd do other things.
12:46I would take Jalen Brown for Donovan Mitchell immediately.
12:49I just don't think Boston would do it.
12:51I just felt like I was the only person who was like,
12:52what, we're not seeing the type of exceptional player that Jalen Brown is?
12:55I mean, good God almighty.
12:56But I'm higher on Jalen Brown than a lot of people.
12:59Okay.
12:59I mean, you see people still bring up the dribbling.
13:01People bring up, you know, his shot selection.
13:04But he's just in the playoffs.
13:06Like, I watch his defense.
13:08Yeah.
13:08And we just haven't had anything like that.
13:10Because we're in a tough spot here.
13:11And Jason Lloyd's going to help us with this coming up at 9 o'clock.
13:14Because I want to know from him, are the big changes to the roster just wishful thinking?
13:18Is Donovan untouchable in this scenario here?
13:20I mean, while we're evaluating everything.
13:23Because, again, Owen brought it up in the last segment.
13:25You know, I think there's probably some people.
13:27And I didn't want to admit it.
13:29I didn't want to say it.
13:30And I think a lot of people feel the same way.
13:32Because you made such a big trade for Donovan,
13:35it's everything gets poured into the Donovan pool.
13:37We do things for Donovan.
13:39We make these moves for Donovan.
13:41Everything is for him.
13:42He's the one that gets the motor going.
13:44But do we have to accept now that he is best as a passenger?
13:48Because I always thought if he were going to go anywhere else,
13:51he would go somewhere else and then accept being a passenger.
13:54Could he accept being a passenger here?
13:56But Fedor brought up something pretty incredible here.
13:58And he was on.
13:59Who was he on with yesterday?
14:00Was this Afternoon Drive?
14:01Was this Fever?
14:01This is Baskin Phelps.
14:03Fedor was on Baskin Phelps yesterday.
14:05And he actually says that this is more on the Cavs
14:08for kind of inflating our thoughts on Evan Mobley.
14:11Because we always thought that Evan Mobley would have to take over as the number one.
14:15And still, maybe he should naturally.
14:16But here's what Fedor had to say.
14:18Part of the reason why these kinds of expectations
14:21and this standard has been set for Evan
14:23is because the organization has done that.
14:26That's not me doing it.
14:27That's not you doing it.
14:28That's not the fans doing it.
14:29The organization did it.
14:31They brought up Wemby.
14:32They brought up Giannis.
14:33They brought up Anthony Davis.
14:34They brought up all these other lofty comparisons.
14:37The first game that he ever played,
14:39Kobe Altman called him transcendent.
14:41When you put that kind of pressure on a kid
14:43and you put those kinds of expectations
14:45and you say that's a standard that we expect him to reach,
14:50then people are going to expect him to reach that.
14:52And if he doesn't reach that,
14:53there's going to be a level of disappointment.
14:55So I have my doubts about Evan ever becoming
14:58the kind of offensive player
15:00that the Cavs have talked about him becoming.
15:02And because of that,
15:04I do think it's worth them exploring
15:06what could we possibly get.
15:08And if it does bring Giannis here,
15:10I don't think you can turn your back on that.
15:13What he says makes a lot of sense.
15:16And we've had to wonder over and over,
15:19you know, is he the type of guy
15:22that is going to take that next step?
15:24Because I thought he had a great,
15:25I thought he had a great postseason.
15:26I know there was a couple games that were just terrible,
15:28but considering Evan
15:30and considering all the things
15:31that we've been through with Evan,
15:32I thought it was great postseason.
15:33I also brought up his draft class.
15:35I don't know, right now,
15:36like Scotty Barnes,
15:37you would take him over Scotty Barnes.
15:39I understand Scotty Barnes has been a all-star,
15:41but Evan Mobley,
15:42you're taking him over Scotty Barnes, right?
15:44Obviously.
15:44I would.
15:45I see, but others say it's not so obvious.
15:48Okay, well, I'm just looking at guys
15:49that you couldn't have taken
15:51or you could have still have taken.
15:52Like Kate Cunningham's the class of the class.
15:54Well, he wasn't there at number three,
15:55so you can't do anything.
15:56Everybody else, there's just no conversation.
15:58He is the, I mean,
15:59Shingun, you could maybe if you wanted to,
16:01but you're not.
16:02Evan was the guy that you take, all right?
16:05So, if it's Evan,
16:07then how do we get Evan from where he's been
16:09to where I put him in a driver's seat here?
16:11Or do I just cut my losses
16:12and do I speed up this clock even more?
16:15Because I got Donovan,
16:16remember, James Harden is 37,
16:18and so people are going to be worried about him
16:19and when the gas finally runs out on James.
16:22Hell, some people are trying to make that claim
16:23over the Knicks series
16:24that the gas has finally run out on James.
16:26The other part of it is
16:27is that you have Donovan
16:28who's going to be 30 in September,
16:29and then you're going to bring in a guy who's 31.
16:31So, you become the over-the-hill gang very, very quickly
16:33from one of the younger teams in the NBA to this,
16:35and it's like,
16:36you've got to win a championship now
16:37or none of this stuff is going to happen
16:39and we're going to be even angrier.
16:40Like, I am desperate to make this thing pay off.
16:43Without a doubt.
16:43I'll use the D word.
16:45But I still don't want to make moves
16:47without thinking about it first.
16:49We did this during the super team era
16:51when it came to Golden State.
16:52We didn't do it, but we saw it.
16:54A lot of teams made full-hearty moves
16:57to try to compete with Golden State
17:00because their jobs were on the line,
17:02they had to appease their owner,
17:04and they ended up being worse teams
17:05by making desperate moves here.
17:07Oklahoma City, I don't think,
17:08is going anywhere for a couple years.
17:10San Antonio certainly isn't going anywhere
17:11for a couple years.
17:12I don't want to make stupid moves
17:14to try to compete with them.
17:15I've got to get out of the East first.
17:16The Knicks are the target now.
17:18How do I compete with the Knicks?
17:19Let me ask you, what do the fans want?
17:21Because the fans did not like
17:23this iteration of the Cavs.
17:24Let's just be honest.
17:25Even though there was no drama,
17:27there was no diva.
17:28I just didn't think they had faith in him.
17:29I just didn't think they had faith in him.
17:30Even when James came in,
17:31he was not a diva.
17:33They didn't like the way he played
17:34in the Knicks series.
17:35Well, join the club.
17:36It's just not good.
17:37Fans didn't like the way anybody played
17:39in that series.
17:39He wasn't good.
17:40I thought he gave effort.
17:41He wasn't very good.
17:42I mean, I thought he was looking washed
17:46by the end of it.
17:46I think the mileage piled up
17:48and the usage piled up.
17:49I don't know why you trade for James Harden
17:51and make him guard the best player
17:52on the other team
17:53and then put the ball in his hands
17:56as much as they did.
17:57And then have him play the most minutes.
17:58So that made no sense to me.
18:00But just overall,
18:02like what do the fan,
18:03I honestly want to know,
18:04do the fans want them to take a step back
18:07so there's no expectations
18:08and then see and pray that,
18:12you know,
18:13Miles,
18:14that Evan Mobley can grow?
18:16Is that what they want?
18:17Can Miles grow?
18:19No, I'm kidding.
18:21Do they want to wait on Evan
18:22to see whether they're going to grow?
18:23That's what I'm asking.
18:23No, I think a lot of people are.
18:25If you didn't like this iteration
18:26and thought there was a malaise,
18:29then you don't want them,
18:31like, I don't know,
18:32do you want a trade to get older
18:37in, you know,
18:38I think they want this to pay off.
18:39And if it involves Evan,
18:42then so be it.
18:43They want this to have the best chance
18:44of paying off
18:44because I think we,
18:45I think everybody's starting to see
18:46the light at the end of the tunnel
18:47going, this ain't going to last forever
18:48and this probably ain't going to last
18:49until much further than next summer.
18:52And if that's the way
18:53a lot of Cavs fans are thinking,
18:54then yeah,
18:54make the trades that are necessary
18:55to try to max out
18:56the type of opportunity
18:57we have to win a championship.
18:59We lose our connection
19:00with these players.
19:01Giannis would just be here,
19:02just arrive here.
19:03Evan, we've seen him as a pup.
19:05Donovan, he just got here,
19:06but he's been here for so long
19:08and he's the second best Cavalier to do it.
19:09We can argue all day,
19:11but I'll call him
19:11the second best Cavalier to do it.
19:13That matters.
19:13James Harden,
19:14you replaced Darius Garland
19:16and there was a lot of people
19:17who really, really loved Darius Garland.
19:18So you lose connection
19:19with your players,
19:20but you've got to be better
19:21and this is just not good enough.
19:23It's just not good enough.
19:24So would you rather go
19:26and make a move with Giannis,
19:28a guy who you know has been there now?
19:30He's been injured
19:30over the last couple of years.
19:31That's true.
19:32Now, by the way,
19:32it's a lot of heat speculation
19:34when it comes to Giannis too right now.
19:36And that is something
19:37that we're going to have to
19:38take that into account,
19:39but I'm just talking about the Cavs.
19:40Like I could try to sit here
19:41and make arguments about us comparing,
19:43and you did yesterday,
19:44us compared to all these other teams
19:45in the East,
19:46but just leave it to us.
19:48And if you were to get Giannis,
19:50you got to get that thing going quickly.
19:51And I think he's in a place
19:52that we hoped that Evan may get to.
19:56And I don't think Evan's going to get there.
19:58Evan might have a fine future,
19:59but he's just not going to be that.
20:00I did warn everybody.
20:01Like, I would do that deal for Giannis.
20:04We don't know if Milwaukee would.
20:05We don't know if Giannis would be cool with it.
20:06But I would do that deal.
20:08But that would not solve all their issues.
20:11Like, that brings into play a few new issues.
20:15It also does solve some of them.
20:16But they would not be the favorites.
20:19There would be a lot of question marks.
20:20It would be risky.
20:21Because again, you would be getting older.
20:23And you'd be shortening your window.
20:26But my question is,
20:28what is the window right now?
20:29Is there a real window?
20:30That's why I think that everything's on the table.
20:33That's why I think that Evan's on the table.
20:35Because we can debate about windows all we want.
20:37This is not a great window.
20:38The Eastern Conference Finals,
20:40that was a fine enough goal for this.
20:42But with the way you lost the Eastern Conference Finals,
20:44no Cavs fan is satisfied.
20:46So if we're talking windows,
20:47windows to what?
20:48Windows to keep finishing
20:49in the Eastern Conference semis?
20:51Which apparently was not good enough.
20:52Nobody seemed to care about that.
20:54It's not apparently.
20:54It wasn't good enough.
20:55They don't care about that.
20:56And I don't think they even care about the Finals.
20:58I think they want to see a team get to the Finals.
20:59So if they want to see a team get to the Finals,
21:01then you're going to be having to make a trade.
21:03Is that an impossible standard, too?
21:05The way this league works.
21:07I've gone over.
21:08There were a bunch of teams
21:08that got to the Eastern Conference
21:11or Western Conference Finals.
21:13And there were no tools.
21:15There's not a bunch of guys growing on trees
21:17that you can trade for
21:18that puts you in a better spot.
21:20Because you've got to give assets
21:21to get those guys.
21:24And there's only one I could point to
21:25was Toronto when it was Lebronto.
21:27And they got gifted Kawhi Leonard
21:29because they were hopeless
21:31without Kawhi Leonard to win a championship.
21:33Just over one hour from now,
21:34Mary Kay Cabot going to join us on the show.
21:36If you listen to the open of the show,
21:37you know very well
21:38the first question I'm going to ask
21:41Mary Kay Cabot.
21:42And it has to do with our defensive end
21:44on our football team
21:44because I did not like
21:45Mike Rutenberg's answer yesterday.
21:47And you can hear that
21:48on the free Odyssey app.
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