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00:00What's LeBron waiting for?
00:02I've thought a lot about this over the past 24 hours or so, Daryl.
00:05Yesterday, I was of the belief, and I feel like this has pivoted a little bit.
00:10It feels like nobody knows what LeBron is going to do right now.
00:13Nobody has any idea what LeBron is going to do right now.
00:15Which is exactly how he wants it.
00:17Yeah, and congratulations, LeBron.
00:19You got us all mentally in a blender right now.
00:22Because anybody that thinks that they have a clue,
00:24and it seemed like all but certain,
00:26and the way everyone was discussing it yesterday,
00:28up until about, I don't know, 4 or 5 o'clock,
00:30it seemed all but certain that he was heading to Golden State.
00:33And then the Cavs all of a sudden started getting in there.
00:35Now the heat are wildly in play.
00:37And even on the Golden State side of things,
00:40a couple reports out of Golden State this morning
00:41suggest that they have no interest in trying to bring Anthony Davis in play there.
00:45And, well, all right, if you wanted Anthony Davis,
00:47that's a different conversation if they're not going to explore that.
00:49Maybe they're playing hardball because the reports out of Washington
00:52suggest they don't want to even trade Anthony Davis.
00:55It could be part of the equation.
00:56Long story short, though,
00:59LeBron got, if his wish is to make everyone as confused as imaginable,
01:03then I'm the genie that will grant that wish
01:05because I'm as confused as ever as to what he's actually going to do.
01:08Same thing.
01:09I mean, everyone keeps asking me,
01:12and my answer changes by the minute.
01:15One minute I'm convinced.
01:17Which is not uncommon for you.
01:18See, that's not fair.
01:19That was a joke.
01:20That's not fair.
01:21Quick joke, all right, unfair.
01:22That's a little unfair.
01:25But I expect nothing less.
01:28I was convinced that he was coming home.
01:31Then I was convinced he's going to Golden State.
01:33I don't think he's going back to Miami.
01:35For whatever that conversation may or may not be right now.
01:38I think it's on the table.
01:40Yeah, of course it's on the table, but I don't think it's going to happen.
01:42It's Giannis who is at one point called LeBron his idol.
01:46And LeBron has actually gone to Greece after Giannis has flown him out there
01:49to see his homeland and to do practices and everything.
01:52There's a mutual admiration society that is attached to
01:55and a close friendship attached to between Giannis and LeBron.
01:58Giannis, LeBron, Adebayo.
01:59You want to talk about a competitive basketball team?
02:02That's at least a competitive basketball team.
02:04He at least goes back into a jersey that people are familiar with him in.
02:07I don't think it's crazy, Darrell.
02:09I really don't.
02:09I wouldn't bet your money on it.
02:11It's not the betting favorite, but I don't think it's crazy.
02:14No, I think that's of the top three options, I think Miami's the third.
02:24They're third in line.
02:24Very fair.
02:25Very fair.
02:25Yes, I agree with that, by the way.
02:27I don't think it's that distant, but I agree with it.
02:29If I had to rank them right now, I think the Cavaliers are in the driver's seat.
02:33Okay.
02:34Golden State.
02:34By how much?
02:36Not by much.
02:37See, that's the problem I have with this conversation, too.
02:39I know.
02:39I feel like everyone that does this conversation, they make it like,
02:42it might be 51-49.
02:43I saw Tim Kawakami, the great writer in San Francisco, was like, 51-49 in favor of Golden
02:49State.
02:50And it's like, well, all right, so we're just at a coin flip?
02:52Is that what this is?
02:53It might be the reality of it, but is that where we're at?
02:57I think ultimately what LeBron is really waiting for is to see what these teams who have made
03:02the pitches to him do, right?
03:04I agree with that.
03:05And I kind of feel like he wants to be the final piece to the puzzle.
03:10All right, so let's go down that road.
03:12If you're Miami, you added Giannis and you have Bam.
03:16There's not much they're really going to be doing as far as adding in that regard.
03:19They also, they extended out on Andrew Wiggins yesterday as well.
03:22They're not going to do much adding, but they have proof of, hey, we changed this roster in
03:27a dramatic way in trying to make sure that you have a nice landing spot.
03:31Golden State, as of right now, if they're signaling that they're not going to do anything
03:35in regards to Anthony Davis, and maybe we just don't believe them, but they don't seem like
03:38they're doing anything to go ahead and change that roster, all things considered.
03:41Seems like they're going to run it back with Jimmy Butler, Steph, Draymond, and try to make
03:45that whole thing work.
03:46All right.
03:46And here's why I have the Cavaliers right now in the pole position to get LeBron.
03:51Okay.
03:52They seem to be the team that is willing to do the most.
03:56Just, like, there's a lot of buzz that Kobe's working the phones, trying to make some moves.
04:01Now, he hasn't made anything yet.
04:02I said, can they pull that off, though?
04:03I guess it's got to be the next question.
04:05Fair.
04:06Okay.
04:06But they seem to be the team, though, that is being talked about most when it comes to
04:12ancillary moves, okay, or adjacent moves, right?
04:16You lost Dean Wade last night.
04:18Now, that contract that he got from Philadelphia, and obviously I realize the GM involved there,
04:26but that contract was not unmatchable by any stretch of the imagination.
04:31But the Cavaliers decided, hey, we're going to let Dean Wade walk.
04:33Now, he's one of two players in the starting lineup who actually plays something that could
04:37be accused of playing defense, okay?
04:40That's his calling card, his defense.
04:42Right.
04:42Because he's...
04:44It's not scoring.
04:44Right.
04:45He's their new version of Isaac Okoro, right?
04:48One-dimensional player.
04:50And so, you let him walk, and you did that for a reason.
04:56So, you know, Keon Ellis, that's the...
05:00You know, there's talk they want to move Dennis Schroeder.
05:02So, I feel like that LeBron is sitting back and maybe making sure that Kobe's going to
05:09do what Kobe may or may not have said that he's going to do, or the Cavaliers as an organization
05:14have said that they will do to entice LeBron.
05:16Because LeBron is not going to sign for max money.
05:21He's going to do the discount for whatever...
05:24Wherever team he goes, happiness, I guess, is supposed to be at the forefront here, combined
05:28with the ability to win a championship.
05:31Right.
05:31And look, when you look at this Cavalier team right now, this is, in my view, right up there
05:39with the put-together Cavs teams.
05:44Like, this is the most put-together Cavs team.
05:47They're in perfect position to attract him, because this isn't a team that you have to
05:52put together.
05:53When he came back in 2014, they had to go trade for Kevin Love.
05:56Right, but you've acknowledged that it's about what else can they do.
05:58Like, there still is something else they have to do here.
06:00As currently constructed, I like Harden, I like Donovan, obviously, and I like Mobley,
06:06but as currently constructed, I don't know that this is enough for LeBron.
06:08I really don't.
06:10Well, I don't think it's enough for him either, and that's why he hasn't, you know, jumped
06:14in.
06:14Also, too, he wants us to sit here for a few days and marinate on this.
06:18This is how it operates.
06:19He gets everyone to sweat it out, and then he also forces people to make decisions they
06:23wouldn't normally do.
06:24And I agree with your sentiment, though.
06:26I think the Cavs are still willing to deal, even if they don't get LeBron.
06:29I feel like they're the most flexible team right now.
06:31But I 100% think you're right, and I 100% think it does dictate and does rely on what
06:37happens in trying to reel in a big fish like Jalen Brown.
06:40What else can they do within this conversation?
06:42What can they do to impress LeBron?
06:44I wouldn't be shocked if it's the Cavs.
06:45I wouldn't be shocked if it's the Warriors.
06:48If you made me guess, if you made me guess right now, I'm not moving off of what I said
06:52yesterday.
06:53I still think it's going to be Golden State, and I can give you those reasons if you'd like.
06:56I think it's going to be the Cavs when it's all said and done.
06:59I hope you're right.
06:59So that's the part of this that I find at least interesting for myself moving forward.
07:04I got nervous yesterday.
07:06Yesterday I got nervous, and I was like, ooh, very well, he might go to Golden State.
07:11But you know what?
07:13I'm going to try and stay consistent here.
07:16And I do think that the Cavaliers are in the driver's seat.
07:21They're in the pole position.
07:23And now they've got to go close the deal.
07:25Well, is closing the deal with LeBron or closing the deal with Brown first to then close the
07:29deal with LeBron?
07:30Well, closing the deal with whatever they've got to do to get LeBron.
07:32Because if you make a deal for Brown, and I think everyone, once you get that text message
07:36or that alert to your phone, you're going to think to yourself, okay, now LeBron's next.
07:40Like, you did what you had to do.
07:42And I think that's what makes it so interesting.
07:44And then James Harden then fills in whatever the money is left over for him.
07:47And Harden's going to then become beloved in the process of this all as well,
07:50because he will have publicly taken the discount.
07:53And he would have been really one of the big factors for why LeBron would choose here.
07:57LeBron's not friends with anybody else but Harden at this point on this team.
08:00It's a big factor in all this.
08:01Yeah.
08:02I mean, the reason Golden State is such a threat in my view is because two of his best friends
08:07in the NBA, Steph Curry, Draymond Green, play there.
08:10And they are a playoff team.
08:16He played with Steph in the Olympics and absolutely enjoyed that experience with him.
08:22Steph and Steve Kerr.
08:22Steve Kerr was the coach of that Olympic team.
08:23Right.
08:23And he enjoyed that experience tremendously.
08:26That's proof of concept for him.
08:26And again, nobody meets him from a basketball intelligence level than the two people we just
08:32mentioned in Steve Kerr from a coaching perspective.
08:34Right.
08:35And then obviously Steph Curry.
08:36Like, like there's, there's so many things that make it enticing.
08:38I also, I, you know, I'm a, I just, I love golf and they're like that element.
08:42I don't think it's an accident.
08:43We'll play this later when Rich Paul says indoor and outdoor.
08:48I know some people are like, Oh, Cleveland's got indoor and outdoor.
08:50Yeah, we do for eight months out of the year for the other four months out of the year.
08:55We're, we only have indoor.
08:57We don't have the outdoor component to that.
08:58Like Rich Paul didn't say just indoor golf simulators will make them happy.
09:01He's an indoor and outdoor.
09:03Meanwhile, San Francisco has got some of the best courses in the country.
09:05They also have a, a wine region that is unmatched.
09:08And like the, I can, I can confidently say I know about, and he has the big home that
09:13he's building on the West coast right now, or has built on, I don't know what the status
09:17of that is, but he, you know, remember he demolished the house and decided to build his
09:21own palace, uh, uh, instead.
09:24And, and the, the other component to this too, is the idea that, uh, I know, I know, uh, one
09:30thing about his move to LA that wasn't basketball driven was the idea that he ended up
09:34doubling the amount of money in his bank account.
09:36And that, and that wasn't just again, solely basketball.
09:39That's the amount of people that he was able to meet the business ventures.
09:41He was able to get into magic Johnson helped him Johnson.
09:44So, all right.
09:44So what, what does San Francisco have to offer that way?
09:46How about Silicon Valley?
09:47A lot of billionaires in San Francisco, a lot of really rich, wealthy, well-connected people
09:52in Silicon Valley and that, that, like that world.
09:55And so like, there's also what's happened to him recently.
09:58He found out that he's not going to have the wealth required to get in on the expansion
10:04team in Las Vegas that had been reported for years.
10:06He wanted to be a part of, he's not going to be able to, he doesn't have the wealth
10:10that's required to do it.
10:10He's not going to have 6 billion.
10:12You know what I mean?
10:12Like he's, he's got, he's got 1.2, 1.3, somewhere in that neighborhood.
10:16And he's trying to each, but he's trying to get even more.
10:18Yeah.
10:18I don't know if it's shares in Fenway sports group or whatever that ownership group is.
10:22I don't know if that's enough to, if he could liquidate that to, you know, cover what, and
10:29clearly not because I'm sure his financial people have already thought of that option.
10:33He doesn't need me sitting here thinking of that option, but no, I think he has learned
10:38that, you know, he's not going to be able to do the Vegas thing that he wanted to do.
10:43I don't know.
10:44Maybe when he retires, does he buy a piece of the calves that, you know, I mean, Dan, Dan
10:47Gilbert is doing this thing with this investment firm or whatever.
10:51The 10%, yeah.
10:52Yeah.
10:52That's a quick way to raise $500 million in cash, which obviously makes the, uh, paying
10:58the, the luxury or the, the luxury tax and the apron tax a lot easier to swallow when
11:03you're able to raise money like that.
11:05I've long said that I think that the Haslam should do that with the Browns, uh, sell, uh,
11:10up to 10% so then they can raise more money to put, you know, to pay for the stadium
11:15and
11:15they don't have to lean on the taxpayers to do that.
11:17You've got an asset that's worth billions of dollars.
11:19That would be nice.
11:20You know, that they don't have to be nice in this instance.
11:22Well, then that you don't become billionaires by being nice all the time, right.
11:26When it comes to business.
11:27So, um, but yeah, I, I, I think that when I objectively look at this as, yes, I'd like
11:32LeBron to come back, obviously.
11:33Okay.
11:33But I set those feelings and emotions aside and I objectively look at the situation and
11:39I think it comes down to two teams.
11:41It's either golden state or Cleveland.
11:43I, I know Miami's still in the conversation cause he honest and all that.
11:46I, and he was down there and all that.
11:49I, I don't think Miami's the threat.
11:51I think golden state's the threat to the Cavaliers and you know, you know, there are a lot, there's
11:56a lot of reporting out there right now in the last 24 to 48 hours that the Kobe Altman is
12:00burning up the phone lines, trying to move some bodies, trying to make a big splash move
12:07as well, whatever that looks like, whether that's Jalen Brown, whether that's something
12:11else that he's got up his sleeve that none of us have even talked about or thought about
12:16or whatever.
12:16Right.
12:17But, uh, he's, he's clearly, uh, it, despite the public comments of we're very happy with
12:23our roster and we just need to keep, you know, stay the course with this thing.
12:27His actions tell us otherwise.
12:29And it goes back to what I always say, watch what they do and believe what they do.
12:34Not so much what they say, because soundbites are not sworn testimony and Kobe Altman's
12:39actions combined with Dan Gilbert's post on X after they got swept and eliminated by the
12:45New York Knicks, right?
12:46About, and I'm paraphrasing, but to the effect of we're nowhere near where we need to be.
12:50Right.
12:50Uh, those things tell me that Kobe Altman's looking to shake some things up and there,
12:55he's just not sitting on his hands waiting to find out if LeBron's coming home.
12:58He's never been shy to take a big swing.
13:00No.
13:01That's the thing with Kobe.
13:02Like he, and it's one reason why I like him being in charge and I like him being the
13:05guy that gets to make the decisions.
13:07Uh, when you would trade for Donovan the way he did, like you're, you're not just sitting
13:11in the background.
13:12You're what I love about this Cavs team is that they've been aggressive.
13:15They have not been, uh, very opportunistic.
13:17Well, I mean, that's how they got Jared Allen.
13:19He jumped in as the third team on the trade and stole Jared Allen away from the Brooklyn Nets
13:23for next to nothing.
13:24Or even go back to the Harden trade itself.
13:26It's like that you're not just sitting on the sidelines saying, well, we'll revisit this in
13:29the off season and we'll deal with the idea that Darius is just going to be playing, uh,
13:33with nine toes and not going to be a hundred percent.
13:35He's like, no, we got to do something about this.
13:37Like he operates in a way that I think a lot of fans should appreciate.
13:41I don't know that we do a hundred percent, but I feel like if I was running a team, I
13:45would, I would like to do so with the idea that I can be as aggressive as possible and
13:49live with the moves afterwards.
13:50And he's been able to do that.
13:52I appreciate that from him.
13:53And we're always talking about the clock, right?
13:55Whether it was with LeBron when he was here, the two times he, uh, the previous or now
14:01with Donovan, right?
14:03The thing that I've really noticed about Kobe, he he's really good at reading the expiration
14:10date on things.
14:11Okay.
14:12And, and making sure that he is showing players that, Hey, we are going to do and spend whatever
14:19it takes to win.
14:21My, my whole contention to that is, uh, or response, I should say to that is, yeah.
14:26And it's on the players to go out and do the winning.
14:28Like, so it, it, it, it's same thing.
14:33I say the same thing with the Browns, right?
14:35You can say all you want about that ownership group and the results on the field and whatnot.
14:39But what you can't say is they don't provide the resources financially to give them the ability
14:44to compete.
14:45At some point, the players in the front office and the coaching staff has to take responsibility
14:50for the negative results that we typically see on the field.
14:53The Cavaliers, at least Dan Gilbert has been getting some return on his investment in recent
14:58years.
14:58They've been in the playoffs for four straight years.
15:00They've, uh, advanced.
15:03Okay.
15:03They went from being a play-in team to getting past the first round.
15:06Now you pass the second round into the conference finals, right?
15:09So there has been a progression there.
15:12Even if fans are in, in media are frustrated and disappointed and critical of how the Eastern
15:17conference finals went in that sweep.
15:19Uh, the bottom line though, is this is the best Cavaliers team, the best non-LeBron James
15:25Cavaliers team.
15:27So you got to go all the way back to the late eighties, early nineties.
15:30I'm talking Larry Nance, Brad Doherty, Craig Evo, John Howard Williams.
15:32It's the first time they've made the conference finals without LeBron since 92.
15:35Like there's a reason for that.
15:36All right.
15:36Brian Windhorst was on ESPN though, and he brought up the idea of whether or not Jalen
15:40Brown can be a realistic thing the Cavs can grab.
15:42Here we go.
15:43The league changed this afternoon with LeBron coming on the market and not only that, but
15:47basically announcing that he's available to just about everybody.
15:50And so start your engines on how you're going to retrofit.
15:53That is a curve ball that affected the whole market.
15:55So now let's talk about Jalen Brown.
15:57Jalen Brown has not found a home.
15:59The Celtics have not found a home after they tried to send him to Milwaukee for Yance
16:02Tenecumpo over the last week.
16:04They have talked to a number of other teams.
16:06They have failed to get traction on a deal.
16:07Cleveland Cavaliers learned today that LeBron James would be willing to play for less than
16:11his market value salary.
16:13That changed everything.
16:14So how does Cleveland get LeBron James attention?
16:17Do they show him their beautiful brand new practice facility they're building?
16:21It is awesome.
16:22I saw it this week in Cleveland, but that is not going to impress them.
16:25What's going to impress them is what they do something with their roster.
16:27What can the Cavs do?
16:28James Harden opted out yesterday.
16:30He is willing to partner with the Cavs to figure out a way how to improve the roster.
16:34Jalen Brown is out there.
16:36Can the Cavs make a move for Jalen Brown?
16:39Then come to LeBron and say, how do you feel about us now?
16:42That's the type of move that you're going to do to get LeBron James' attention.
16:46And what's funny about that is that Jalen Brown is obviously going to have such a bigger impact
16:51on the actual on-court play than what LeBron will have.
16:54But if it's all in service of trying to put together this team that will compete this year,
16:58it's a pretty good look to me.
17:01The way I see this is it's fascinating when you think about this being potentially a BOGO.
17:05I love a BOGO, a buy one, get one.
17:08And I feel like this is also a BOGO.
17:09If you get Brown, you also then get LeBron James.
17:13So you have to factor that in the equation.
17:15And it's also kind of a little bit of buy one, get one free because LeBron is, again,
17:18he would come here at a steep, steep discount.
17:20Very, very cheap deal.
17:21Yeah.
17:22Which, by the way, we found out today why.
17:25Well, because of the documentary.
17:26Yes.
17:26And we'll talk about that coming up in a little bit.
17:27But the point is that if we're going to treat this like a buy one, get one,
17:31maybe you didn't want to do the Mobley for Jalen Brown deal previously.
17:34Maybe that was too rich for your blood when it was floated around the trade deadline.
17:37Maybe now if you look at it, though, it's not just Mobley for Jalen Brown.
17:41This is Mobley for Jalen Brown and LeBron James.
17:44Maybe that changes the math.
17:46Maybe that changes the equation because it does for me in many respects.
17:49I think it does, too.
17:50But, again, the thing that concerns me about trading Evan Mobley for Jalen Brown
17:56is now you have a small ball team.
18:01And, you know, is that enough to get you over the hump?
18:05And the other thing, too, is when this thing does burn down, eventually it will.
18:09Mm-hmm.
18:10Okay.
18:11Then what do the Cavs have to build around after that?
18:14Their future draft assets are few and far between.
18:17And I do feel like Evan Mobley is the insurance.
18:20I stand by what I have repeatedly said, and I'm sure the Celtics aren't going to go for it.
18:24But I would absolutely try to trade Donovan Mitchell for Jalen Brown rather than trading
18:29Evan Mobley for him.
18:30I don't think LeBron's going to operate that way.
18:32I think LeBron wants Donovan to be the focal point of this.
18:34I don't know.
18:35We don't speak to LeBron.
18:36I have no inside track on it.
18:37Well, hang on.
18:38Let me see if I can get him on the horn.
18:39Yeah, let me see if I can get him on the horn here.
18:41Can you dial him up?
18:42Like, it's just logically...
18:43Let me text him right now.
18:44See if while he's on the golf course at Firestone, see what he thinks about playing with Donovan Mitchell.
18:49Let me get right on that.
18:50If I was LeBron, I would want to play with Donovan and James Harden instead of trying
18:54to keep Mobley and try to make that whole thing work.
18:56Like, I need somebody that's going to score potentially 30 a night, and I'm going to need
19:00someone to be the Jalen Brunson piece of what the Knicks had.
19:03Like, that part is still...
19:04That matters.
19:05And I like Mobley, but Mobley's not there offensively.
19:08And you mentioned the small ball lineup of it all, but you're not really that small if
19:12you look at this lineup with LeBron, with Jalen Brown.
19:15Right.
19:15Because Brown's 6'6", LeBron's 6'8".
19:18Obviously, you'd have Jared Allen in the mix as well.
19:20But then Harden's 6'5", 6'6".
19:22Yeah, people think Harden...
19:23We don't have a small backcourt anymore.
19:25We don't.
19:25Like, Donovan's the only tiny piece of that.
19:27So, like, you have enough size.
19:28You'd have enough play with the wings, obviously, at this point.
19:31We'd have Brown and LeBron in the mix.
19:33Like, there's enough there, and it takes away some of the deficiencies that we used to
19:37talk about with this team.
19:37Yeah, LeBron clearly does not want to have to come back and carry this thing, right?
19:41He wants...
19:42Well, he's going to play...
19:43Whatever team he goes to, Daryl, he's going to play 55 to 60 games, and he's going to
19:47play 28 to 30 minutes a night.
19:49Yep.
19:49Like, this is not...
19:50If that.
19:51And then in the playoffs, obviously, you'll try and extend him maybe past the 30-minute
19:55just because of his experience.
19:57Playoffs are different.
19:57Right.
19:58But everything's leading up to the playoffs.
19:59You're saving him.
20:00You're going to load management him for the postseason.
20:03Whatever team he goes to, that's your experience.
20:0628 minutes a night, 50, 55 to 60 games.
20:09He wants to get one for the thumb and retire.
20:11Like, I think that that is the goal for him right now.
20:15He's thinking, how can I get that fifth championship, go out on top, and have the storybook ending
20:23to my career?
20:25And I think that that's it.
20:27Well, you know how you do that?
20:28You come back to Cleveland.
20:29You win a second NBA championship with the Cavaliers.
20:32And you say, thanks for the memories, and we'll see you later in your retirement.
20:39I think why Kobe is dialing up the phones, as you say, he has been in the past 24 to
20:4348 hours,
20:44is because he knows.
20:45You get Jalen Brown, you get LeBron.
20:47This is your shot.
20:48That's a real chance.
20:49That's your shot.
20:49That's a real chance.
20:50If you don't get Jalen Brown, well, then we're playing a 50-50 game.
20:54Then I don't...
20:55It's a jump ball.
20:55I don't know who's going to end up with LeBron.
20:57And here's the other thing you have to think about.
20:58If it doesn't end in an NBA championship next year, then what do you ultimately get left
21:03with going forward?
21:05And I don't mean to think in a negative term there, okay?
21:08But that is also part of this equation.
21:11Because right now, yeah, the Cavs got swept in the Eastern Conference Finals, but it's not
21:16a lousy basketball team.
21:17They've got to figure this thing out.
21:19What do they have to do to get to that next level?
21:22And we seem to say this about this group every offseason.
21:26Now, he made one change.
21:27Darius is out.
21:29James Harden is in.
21:30That was one change.
21:31I feel like there's another change they have to make with this roster if they're going
21:35to climb that ladder.
21:37I agree.
21:38But there's a risk.
21:40Because Evan Mobley right now, he's your future.
21:42He's your insurance that if and whenever Donovan goes away, whether LeBron comes back or doesn't
21:49come back, whatever happens to this roster, Evan Mobley is the centerpiece that you can rebuild
21:54around, and you can probably do it with as few assets as possible because they don't
21:59have very many of them.
22:00I just don't need to be that precious with Evan.
22:01I don't need to.
22:02I'm fine.
22:03If what he gives you is Jalen Brown and LeBron James, I'm going to send him.
22:06I'll pack his bags for him.
22:08Like, that's something I'm comfortable doing.
22:10And if it's a two-year window you get to play with, then let's play with that.
22:13I'll pack his bags for him.
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