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Il volto più brutale di Cosa Nostra

Giovanni Brusca, uno dei più feroci uomini di Cosa Nostra, l'uomo che ha azionato il telecomando della Strage di Capaci e sciolto nell'acido il piccolo Giuseppe Di Matteo, è oggi un uomo libero. Il documentario ripercorre la cattura, il pentimento e la trasformazione del più controverso collaboratore di giustizia della storia italiana.

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00:15Giovanni Brusca is certainly one of the bloodiest mafiosi,
00:19but even more cruel in the history of Cosa Nostra.
00:24Over the years he has been given many nicknames,
00:27the boar, as they also called him within the mafia organization,
00:31or even slaughter Christians.
00:36Brusca was baptized by Reina.
00:40Totorina did not baptize everyone.
00:43And he grew up with this myth of Cosa Nostra.
00:50In the aftermath of Totorina's capture,
00:54Giovanni Brusca remained Totorina's heir,
00:58he embodied the soul of the Corlionesi people of those years.
01:06Where is the order of intervention and we all go out to do,
01:10in fear that he might escape and slip away,
01:13because the 200 men were needed to make an even larger belt.
01:18And he managed to go a few meters and from there I stopped him in the middle of the countryside.
01:24The capture of Brusca is certainly a military victory for the State,
01:31there is no doubt.
01:32I did not seek revenge,
01:35but I was only looking for justice.
01:37And for me justice was just to ensure
01:41to our social defense system
01:46the capture of those who had created the death of John.
01:53And here I am, in the will to kill Dr. Falcone,
01:58for me it goes back immediately after it ends.
02:02Brusca revealed to us from the inside
02:04and with the top-down vision many facts
02:08that we had somehow ascertained,
02:10somehow hypothesized,
02:12but giving us a correct reading key,
02:15very often correct,
02:16of facts that we had only hypothesized.
02:20Giovanni Brusca is a free man today,
02:22a man who admitted to killing
02:24over 150 people,
02:27who pressed the remote control for the Capace massacre,
02:30who had a child killed,
02:32and yet he is a free man.
02:33Yes, because the law was simply applied.
02:58Between 1992 and 1993,
03:03Italy has lived, I believe,
03:05one of the most dramatic moments
03:07of its republican history.
03:12Those were certainly difficult years,
03:16years in which, let's say,
03:17Palermo was really bent
03:20from mafia violence,
03:21they were years in which even the mafia massacres themselves,
03:25they were a bit of an epilogue
03:26of bloody mafia violence.
03:35May 23, 1992
03:37Giovanni Falcone is killed
03:38together with his wife Francesca Morvillo
03:40to the three escort officers.
03:42Italy has died
03:45in
03:46The Actium
04:04just 57 days later
04:07Judge Paolo Borsellino is killed
04:10together with five escort agents.
04:18It is an attack on the heart of the State.
04:25I have been going to schools for years now
04:31to speak to young people,
04:33to make young people understand how devastating it was
04:39that 1992 for Italian history.
04:45Our state was on its knees,
04:48but he was able to recover afterwards.
04:57The capture of Salvatore Rina on January 15, 1993
05:01it was certainly a key point
05:03in, let's call it that, state collections.
05:08Unfortunately, Cosa Nostra is still very, very, very strong,
05:11very powerful, also because Cosa Nostra,
05:13unlike other mafias present on the national territory,
05:17it is a vertical and top-down structure.
05:20So it was the only mafia organization
05:22who had the strength to challenge the State,
05:24because it was a unitary structure.
05:30A few more months pass and the monuments are attacked,
05:35the monuments, therefore symbols of Italy.
05:39We will have the Viede Gergofili massacre in Florence,
05:43we will also have attacks on churches in Rome,
05:46we will have Via Palestro in Milan.
05:49I personally went to dig up 200 kg of Semtex
05:52which were supposed to be used to blow up the Leaning Tower of Pisa.
06:00The capture of Vienna was an absolutely important moment,
06:04marked an era
06:05and then other important fugitives were sought.
06:13Among them was Giovanni Brusca,
06:16only that in 1993 it was not yet well known
06:20who this man was,
06:22because he was a young regent of San Giuseppe Iato,
06:24which is still a very important mandate
06:26within Cosa Nostra,
06:27and it was known that he was close to Totò Rina.
06:40Giovanni Brusca belonged to the San Giuseppe Iato district,
06:45but the district of San Giuseppe Iato
06:47it was logistically, territorially,
06:54integrated with the Corleone district.
06:58They were one and the same, in fact.
07:00So much so that Brusca as a boy
07:04he took care of Totò Rina's fugitive status,
07:10because they were the ones who protected him,
07:13it was the district of San Giuseppe Iato
07:15who protected Rina.
07:20They were a state within a state,
07:24with the commanders, the soldiers,
07:29the army, the weapons.
07:34Excuse me, your personal details first.
07:37Brusca Giovanni, born in San Giuseppe Iato on February 20, 1997.
07:41I was affiliated around 1975-76
07:45with the role of private soldier in the San Giuseppe Iato district,
07:49that the same thing happened to her family.
07:51They who I kept until the end of 1989-90,
07:55from that date which was not urgent,
07:58of the same mandate.
08:01Giovanni Brusca, after the capture of Salvatore Rina,
08:05it was for us the island of evil,
08:06that is, the main goal.
08:10Brusca's goal is certainly, how can I say,
08:14a target that at that time was very, very important,
08:19in general, not only, I say, for the State Police,
08:22but I think for every Palermo policeman.
08:26I was in 1993, right with the massacres,
08:29I was called to the central operational service of the State Police,
08:32which is based in Rome, but which, so to speak,
08:34it is present throughout the territory,
08:36and then I acted on Palermo,
08:38in agreement with the public prosecutors of Palermo and Caltanissetta,
08:41for a whole series of investigative activities.
08:44In 1994, however, he was called to direct
08:47the Palermo mobile squad.
08:52Inside the mobile squad
08:55there was a specialized section.
08:58It is no coincidence that the section was called Catturandi.
09:02The assets, the teams,
09:04they worked substantially
09:06each on a character to research
09:09and then capture.
09:14In Palermo there has always been a section for catching prisoners,
09:18it was valued, the best men were placed
09:21on this section,
09:22those most inclined to make a living
09:26which was a life of fugitive hunters.
09:29The fugitive doesn't stop when he celebrates his birthday.
09:32When he has a fever of 40 he doesn't stop.
09:34You don't have to stop
09:35nor when it's your birthday
09:37nor when it is fever
09:38and you have to keep running.
09:40Here, it's an exceptional structure.
09:43on which each leader of the mobile squad
09:45he placed a significant bet.
09:50And after an experience
09:52at the police station in the city of Palermo
09:55who was called by Catturandi,
09:57so for me it was really
09:58as if I had touched the sky with my finger.
10:03All the Cosa Nostra districts,
10:07the heads of the districts were fugitives,
10:10operational fugitives,
10:13for which the Catching section
10:15it was a bit like saying
10:17the spearhead of the mobile squad
10:20which was responsible for the capture
10:21of these top Cosa Nostra figures.
10:26Thanks also to legislation
10:28which allowed in some way
10:30to grasp
10:31what happens with the so-called
10:33phenomenon of repentance,
10:35the one wanted by Giovanni Falcone,
10:37that is, to empty Cosa Nostra from within.
10:40Every collaborator of justice
10:43added an unknown piece
10:46and also in investigative activity
10:49for the capture of fugitives
10:50they turned out to be very important.
10:55In particular,
10:57in June 1995
10:59with the capture of Leoluca Bagarella,
11:02another important mass murderer,
11:04brother-in-law, as we know,
11:06by Salvatore Rina.
11:10When we arrested Leoluca Bagarella,
11:13together with Bagarella
11:13we arrest his driver
11:16who was Toni Calvaruso.
11:17They call me on January 5th,
11:19I still remember it,
11:20of 1996,
11:21while I'm in Milan
11:22and they tell me that Calvaruso
11:24he wants to talk to us.
11:27Let's bring Calvaruso to Palermo,
11:29Calvaruso because the first thing
11:30what Calvaruso tells us
11:31is that he knows where it is abrupt,
11:32he built the house
11:33and shows us this property
11:35in Borgo Molara.
11:40We'll start on January 6th
11:41the stakeouts on that property,
11:43with men
11:44of the Palermo mobile squad,
11:45but no movement is seen.
11:53let's break into that lair,
11:54at a certain point we decide
11:55to break in
11:56and we enter that lair
11:58January 12, 1996.
12:03In the lair we have the certainty
12:05that is Giovanni Brusca's house,
12:07we find his things,
12:08his clothes,
12:09the wife's passport,
12:11the son's photographs,
12:12so we have mathematical certainty
12:14that is Giovanni Brusca's house,
12:16we find a Sicilian newspaper
12:18of January 7th.
12:23The den was still warm,
12:24there was a newspaper
12:25from a few days before.
12:29We will only know later
12:30Giovanni Brusca's wife,
12:33the son,
12:33they manage to escape,
12:35they don't see them
12:35because of course
12:36the area is controlled,
12:38but they don't see them come out.
12:39We will know later
12:40which probably
12:41they had used
12:42a sort of tunnel
12:43within this,
12:44small building.
12:47That day
12:48they failed
12:49to find Giovanni Brusca.
12:53First this material
12:55everything was deposited
12:56at the cemetery of San Giuseppe Iato,
12:58in various niches,
13:00and the last stage
13:01it was that of Giambascio.
13:04Always thank you
13:06to collaborators of justice,
13:08the investigators succeed
13:09to arrive in the district
13:10Giambascio to San Giuseppe Iato,
13:12moreover a place
13:13difficult too
13:14to reach.
13:29When I enter
13:32in the Giambascio bunker
13:33by Giovanni Brusca,
13:34let's remember it,
13:35we meet
13:36ten missile launchers
13:37Terraria RPG-18,
13:38two grenade launchers
13:39RPG-7,
13:40hundreds and hundreds
13:41of Kalashnikov,
13:42thousands of firearms,
13:44short and long,
13:45there was even
13:45a Thompson submachine gun,
13:47the one with the circular magazine
13:48of the roaring twenties
13:50from Chicago,
13:50of the twenties,
13:51quintals and quintals
13:52of explosives.
13:54in bazooka,
13:55there are some that have a devastating effect,
13:57it has a calorific effect,
13:58it's different,
14:00there are some that disappear
14:00on a mountain
14:01and they throw you away
14:01starting in a mountain,
14:03where it arrives
14:03it burns you all over,
14:05it's different.
14:06there were Kalashnikovs,
14:08there were bazookas,
14:09so many,
14:10hundreds of weapons
14:11also used in war.
14:14Here you are,
14:15this was
14:15Saint Barbara
14:16of Cosa Nostra.
14:23The activity in the 90s
14:25of the capture,
14:27but still in general
14:28of the investigations,
14:30it was a little more complicated
14:32compared to today's.
14:35The interception activity
14:37it was, how can I say,
14:39almost occasional.
14:40All activity
14:41was based
14:42on the verification
14:43than he could say
14:45an information source,
14:47a confidential source.
14:48In early 1996
14:50the team being captured
14:52of the Palermo police
14:53manages to arrest
14:55several men of honor,
14:57several picciotti.
14:58They are arrested,
14:59for example,
15:00Joseph Monticciolo
15:01and Vincenzo Chiodo,
15:02which were not very well known,
15:03but they were kids
15:04of Cosa Nostra
15:05very close
15:06to Giovanni Brusca.
15:09May 4, 1996
15:12a small nucleus
15:14of the capture
15:15follows and arrests
15:17the district leader
15:18of Porta Nuova,
15:20what is called
15:20Salvatore Cucuzzi.
15:23In 94
15:24I was assigned
15:25to the mobile squad
15:26and right away
15:27they put me in
15:29in an investigative group
15:30for the capture
15:31of a great ratifier
15:32of the mafia,
15:33Salvatore Cucuzza.
15:37He started me off
15:37this activity
15:38in 1994,
15:40it lasted about two years
15:42and it ended
15:43with the capture
15:45of this ratifying
15:46in a condominium
15:47in the city of Palermo.
15:50The searches on him
15:53in the house,
15:54in places
15:55where these
15:55practically
15:56had found refuge
15:57they will then be fundamental.
16:08In a little note
16:09found inside
16:10of the wallet
16:11by Salvatore Cucuzza
16:12have been found
16:13a series of letters
16:15of the alphabet
16:15of banks of meaning.
16:19We succeeded
16:21to decrypt
16:22that little note
16:23and transform it
16:24in some numbers
16:25of the telephones.
16:26To those numbers
16:26we gave
16:27of the names
16:28that were not related
16:29to organized crime
16:31unless
16:31of very ordinary people
16:33and from here
16:33it started
16:35a subsequent one
16:36investigative activity.
16:40And from there
16:41they come out
16:42two cell phones
16:43335
16:45the prefix
16:46registered
16:48for two people
16:50elderly
16:51I remember one
16:52she was an eighty-year-old
16:54of Saint Joseph Iato.
16:57These cell phones
16:59we put them
17:00under the tracking
17:01and in reality
17:02let's see that
17:03these cell phones
17:04they speak
17:06at one in the morning
17:07at two in the morning
17:08one San Giuseppe Iato
17:10and another user
17:12in Agrigento.
17:16Consider
17:16that the owner
17:17she was an eighty-year-old
17:19and that he spoke
17:20at one o'clock
17:20at two in the morning
17:21it seemed a little strange
17:23and then we activate
17:23the interception
17:25of the two users.
17:26And there
17:27we hear a voice
17:29Enough
17:31compatible
17:32with that
17:33by Giovanni Brusca.
17:40The collaborator
17:41of Cursa
17:42that we managed
17:42to make them collaborate
17:43he gave us a hand
17:44to decipher
17:45the voice
17:45by Giovanni Brusca
17:46which had been
17:48registered
17:48at the maxi trial.
17:52Being
17:52in San Giuseppe Iato
17:53a certain Giuseppe
17:55it makes me
17:56company
17:57to go
17:57I don't know where
17:59that is then
17:59he was doing
18:00let's see that
18:00talk to Leo
18:01for company
18:03in the evening
18:03he's leaving to keep company
18:04to this gentleman.
18:06Indescribable
18:07the emotion
18:08that is felt
18:08when you feel
18:09the fugitive
18:10number one
18:11at that moment
18:12and you feel it
18:14on the phone
18:14and then
18:16how to say
18:16you would like
18:17run away immediately
18:19go to Grigio
18:20and where do I get it?
18:21but it's not like that
18:22simple.
18:24The problem
18:25it was the location
18:26of that phone
18:27GSM.
18:29When we ask
18:30to Telecom
18:31to provide us
18:32the tools
18:33to locate
18:34that number
18:35they answer us
18:36that being
18:36a GSM
18:37you can't
18:38locate.
18:41Today
18:42with our systems
18:43we know exactly
18:44how many centimeters
18:45from the other device
18:47is found
18:47the device
18:47what we are looking for
18:48at the time
18:48the margin of error
18:49he was very tall
18:50it was a kilometer
18:51and half a square.
18:52Attention
18:52a kilometer and a half
18:52square
18:53they seem like nothing
18:53but in reality
18:54with someone like
18:55Brusca
18:55with the tunnels
18:56and the bunkers
18:56underground
18:57which he enjoyed
18:58us too
18:58with a blitz
18:59with 300-400 policemen
19:00we risk losing it
19:01for the umpteenth time
19:02and we couldn't
19:02more mistakes.
19:06The boys
19:07of Gatturandi
19:08experts
19:09in business
19:11of stalking
19:12and of stakeout
19:12in that kilometer
19:13square
19:14they have
19:16started
19:17the activities
19:17of observation
19:18and there we were
19:19lucky
19:20because we already have
19:21identified
19:22a child
19:235 years old
19:24which resembled
19:25a little bit
19:26to the characteristics
19:28at the time
19:29of the son
19:29by Giovanni Brusca
19:31who had
19:31more or less
19:325-6 years
19:33so it was
19:34the possibility
19:36of a villa
19:37it could have been
19:37that
19:38but it wasn't there
19:39the certainty
19:39why Giovanni Brusca
19:41he didn't come
19:41view.
19:45At that time
19:45we found
19:46another system
19:47to try
19:48to arrive
19:49and know
19:50what exactly
19:50John Brusca
19:51at that moment
19:52he was in the house
19:54that we had
19:55identified
19:56or if instead
19:57Perhaps
19:57he wasn't there.
20:01The stratagem
20:02of one of the boys
20:03of the Catturandi
20:05that was it
20:06to say
20:07he said
20:07us
20:08we overlap
20:09a noise
20:09while he speaks.
20:15Let's take
20:16a motorcycle
20:17we pierce it
20:18the marmita
20:19in a manner
20:19that can
20:20to resemble
20:21to a motorcycle
20:22that turns
20:23a bit
20:23in the countryside
20:25that I can't
20:26a motorcycle
20:27a bit'.
20:28In the moment
20:28in which he speaks
20:29on the phone
20:30let's try
20:30to let pass
20:31the motorbike
20:32at the point
20:32in which we
20:33we believe
20:34giving a little
20:35to accelerate
20:35and let's see
20:36if the noise
20:37external
20:37it overlaps
20:38to the voice
20:38by Giovanni Brusca
20:39that
20:40it's the signal
20:42important
20:42that he
20:43at that moment
20:43both in
20:44that house
20:45and much was done.
20:50Monday
20:50May 20th
20:51at 5pm
20:53let's go out
20:54from Palermo
20:55to the machines
20:56in small pieces
20:57in agreement
20:59with the manager
21:00of the mobile squad
21:01from Agrigento
21:02we're going there
21:03to hide
21:04the bulk
21:04of the machines
21:05within
21:05of a factory
21:06industrial
21:07abandoned.
21:11We were waiting
21:129pm
21:12I had
21:13two cell phones
21:14on my car
21:15Renato Cortese
21:16had been left
21:17in Palermo
21:18to preside
21:19the room listens
21:20it was essential
21:21why would he have
21:22due
21:22he seized
21:23the noise
21:24of the motorcycle
21:25that would have
21:25overwhelmed
21:26the voice.
21:30There we have
21:31delivered
21:33a couple
21:33of vans
21:34Where
21:35within
21:35of which
21:36they were
21:36already hidden
21:37the men
21:38ready
21:39for the intervention
21:40Therefore
21:41let's say
21:41the device
21:42of belting
21:43everything was ready.
21:46Us
21:47let's start
21:48this path
21:49with the van
21:50with the motorbike
21:51in
21:51it was a motorcycle
21:52an enduro
21:53and we were left
21:54right inside
21:55this van
21:55for more than an hour.
22:00When at 8pm
22:01and 45
22:03part
22:04the phone call
22:05in which
22:06we had hypothesized
22:07to let pass
22:08the motorbike
22:09in the moment
22:10in which you speak
22:11I give
22:11the OK
22:12to the motorbike
22:13to move.
22:27I give the ok
22:28and passes in front
22:29that villa
22:30and I feel
22:32John Brusca
22:33who speaks
22:33and I feel
22:35the noise
22:36of the muffler
22:37of the motorcycle
22:37in which
22:38Yes
22:43and then
22:43I'm calling
22:44Gigi Savina
22:45who is the boss
22:46of the mobile
22:46and then
22:47I give the ok
22:48for the intervention
22:49in Agrigento.
22:57And I still have
22:58in the ears
22:59the voice
23:00by Renato Cortese
23:01he says
23:01it's there
23:02it's there
23:03it's there
23:03and then
23:03I give the order
23:04of intervention
23:05to the teams
23:06that I have there
23:10We were
23:11in two
23:11on the motorbike
23:12we have
23:12launched
23:13the motorbike
23:14and we have it
23:14afterwards
23:15Indeed
23:16he had
23:16very little
23:17time
23:18for the escape
23:19and succeeded
23:19to do
23:20about fifty
23:21of meters
23:2170 meters
23:22or no more
23:26We were
23:27own
23:28in full
23:28countryside
23:29and we have
23:29summoned
23:30the halt
23:30him
23:31yes it is
23:31kneeling
23:32you put
23:33the hands
23:33behind the back
23:34and I have it
23:34handcuffed
23:40what does it feel like
23:41at that moment
23:44I cried
23:46I have a chair
23:46on this
23:54I was gone
23:55At home
23:56I
23:56at 8
23:57in the evening
23:57he arrives home
23:59more or less
24:00he understood
24:00normally
24:01I was also arriving
24:01a little bit
24:02later
24:02that evening
24:02it's coming a little
24:03more private
24:04I sit down
24:05I sit down
24:05on the sofa
24:06but I can't
24:07to stay
24:07in the skin
24:08because obviously
24:08I would have liked
24:09follow the operation
24:10but for good luck
24:10I decided
24:11not to follow
24:11the operation
24:12from the arrest
24:14I pick up the phone
24:15my name is Savina
24:15I still feel a little
24:17of barrels
24:17explode
24:18they were clearly
24:18flashbang
24:19and Salvina
24:20he tells me
24:21we got it
24:22we got it
24:23me at that point
24:24I started crying
24:25like a fort
24:25I have never cried
24:26in my life
24:27my legs have gone weak
24:29I was standing
24:30near the sofa
24:31I fell on the sofa
24:37and it was a thrill
24:38very strong
24:39at that point
24:40I called the boys
24:40to the escort
24:41and I arrived
24:43at the police station
24:44to wait
24:45that he would arrive
24:45Brusca
24:45from Cannatello
24:46that he brought it
24:48we waited
24:49several hours
24:50why he was arrested
24:51in the district
24:52in Cannatello
24:52in Agrigento
24:53so before he arrived
24:54the mobile squad
24:55several hours have passed
25:15I remember perfectly
25:17then when he arrived
25:18the procession
25:18with cars
25:20with Giovanni Brusca
25:22and the brother
25:23Salvatore Enzo Brusca
25:25I still remember
25:26in those moments
25:27when people
25:28seeing it coming
25:30these two mafiosi
25:31he started insulting them
25:33and it was a thing
25:34that actually
25:35I don't think it happened
25:36Before
25:37because there was so much anger
25:39there was also a lot of bitterness
25:42for what had happened
25:43why Giovanni Brusca
25:44he was the man
25:45who had pressed
25:46the remote control
25:46where he was killed
25:47Giovanni Falcone
25:57the capture
25:59by Brusca
26:01it was a moment
26:05emotionally
26:06very strong
26:08for others
26:09for all Italians
26:10and above all
26:12for me
26:30I met
26:32that night
26:33John Brusca
26:34I had the opportunity
26:35also to exchange
26:36a few words
26:37and of course
26:38it was a subject
26:40important
26:41he had eyes
26:43Really
26:44incredible
26:45was broadcasting
26:46that
26:47that
26:47ferocity
26:49that
26:50all that
26:51what he had done
26:52era
26:53visible
26:54in the gaze
27:06I pick up the phone
27:08and they tell me
27:09commands
27:09doctor
27:10the child
27:11he needs
27:11of affection
27:11commands
27:13the child
27:14who needs
27:15of affection
27:15It's Giovanni Brusca
27:224-5 days
27:23After
27:23I am called
27:24why Giovanni Brusca
27:26which was
27:26it was in Lucciardone
27:27but it was in a facility
27:29distant
27:30from other inmates
27:31he had asked
27:32to be able to meet
27:34who had arrested him
27:38we reached
27:39Lucciardone
27:40we loaded ourselves
27:41outside Lucciardone
27:42within
27:43of a van
27:44of the penitentiary police
27:45who dumped us
27:46which brought us
27:47in a manner
27:48he doesn't suspect
27:49not to be left
27:52traces
27:52within
27:53of the prison
27:57and there
27:57we meet
27:58John Brusca
27:59which
28:00There
28:00how to say
28:01he gave us
28:01the availability
28:04to start
28:04a relationship
28:05of collaboration
28:08with my deposition
28:09I declare
28:09the tests
28:10aware
28:11of responsibility
28:12moral
28:12that takes on
28:13with my deposition
28:14it keeps me busy
28:15to tell the whole truth
28:16and not
28:16absurd nothing
28:17with many
28:17my knowledge
28:19at that moment
28:20the thought
28:21that I had
28:21it wasn't that much
28:22the fact
28:22that with the collaboration
28:24by Brusca
28:24we could have
28:25obtain
28:25great results
28:26that with the collaboration
28:28by Brusca
28:28would have allowed you
28:29to save human lives
28:30that maybe we would have
28:31finally
28:31disjointed
28:32All
28:33the organization
28:34of Cosa Nostra
28:35as the fact
28:35that if Brusca
28:36he began to collaborate
28:37I should have
28:38meet him
28:38and above all
28:39I should have
28:39reach out to him
28:45I called Franco Lovoi
28:46who was the colleague
28:47with which I had done
28:47the investigations
28:48who was a friend
28:49by Falcone
28:50he told him
28:51Frank
28:52the child
28:52he needs
28:53of affection
28:53he repeated to him
28:54the same thing
28:56he told us
28:56what are we doing?
28:57and Franco
28:58who is a character
28:59of great intelligence
29:00he told me
29:01what would John have done
29:02would have gone on
29:03let's move on
29:15let's say that I
29:16with Salvatore Arnina
29:17since I met him
29:19until the last day
29:20that I took
29:22of a certain news
29:23which I will now explain
29:23the reports
29:24they were very close
29:26and I considered
29:28regardless
29:29from the report
29:29of Cosa Nostra
29:30I considered
29:31my second father
29:34the news
29:35of collaboration
29:37by Giovanni Brusca
29:38created havoc
29:39not only
29:40in us journalists
29:41but also
29:42in ordinary citizens
29:43and I would say
29:44above all
29:45in Cosa Nostra
29:46because of course
29:47the picciotti
29:48the bosses
29:49none of them
29:50it was expected
29:51that Giovanni Brusca
29:52regent
29:53of the mandate
29:54of an important mandate
29:55what it could be
29:56that of San Giuseppe Iato
29:57could decide
29:59to speak
29:59with the magistrates
30:04Brusca
30:05the mincer
30:06together with Salvuccio
30:07and Madonia
30:08they wanted to organize
30:09a traffic
30:10of stupovescenti
30:11without having said it
30:13and without having asked
30:14the authorization
30:15in Turina
30:16and for this reason
30:17Totorina
30:18he had decided
30:19the killing
30:21the elimination
30:22Therefore
30:23by Brusca
30:24and Madonia
30:32I was in Cannatello
30:34they bring me
30:35my agreements
30:37they bring me
30:38the newspaper
30:38open the newspaper
30:39and I read
30:40an addiction
30:41by Salvatore Cancemi
30:46that he said
30:47that Salvatore Rina
30:48had already established
30:49my elimination
30:50and of Salvuccio
30:51Madonia
30:52and there
30:54undoubtedly
30:55Brusca
30:56begins to churn
30:58of resentment
30:59towards
31:00by Salvatore Rina
31:03also because
31:04all his life
31:06as a boy
31:07it had been
31:08at the service
31:10of the boss
31:12of the leaders
31:17the reasons
31:19of choice
31:19by John
31:20Brusca
31:21to break
31:22with the organization
31:24with reason
31:26for this one
31:28death foretold
31:30by decision
31:34by Salvatore Rina
31:36Also
31:38from a state
31:39of soul
31:40that he
31:40he was warning
31:45he told me
31:48That
31:48in recent times
31:51when he
31:53he asked
31:54hospitalization
31:56for his
31:58fugitive
31:59moving
32:00from place
32:02in place
32:03there was always
32:04less availability
32:06that is, he understood
32:09that was
32:12collapsing
32:18Yes
32:19I had committed
32:19of the murders
32:20in this period
32:22Yes
32:23Saint Joseph
32:25and maybe
32:25even in toga
32:27so also
32:28outside the territory
32:29This
32:29it's from Camporeale
32:30Anyway
32:30in the district
32:31of St. Joseph
32:32Where
32:33I could move
32:34with ease
32:37Brusca introduced himself
32:38at that meeting
32:39with an attitude
32:39very arrogant
32:40almost as if it were him
32:42almost as if he were doing us a favor
32:44he placed himself in a position
32:46I
32:47you are the ones who need me
32:49not me who needs you
32:50and I have to say that
32:52at that moment
32:52it was the initial phase
32:53of collaboration
32:54we were
32:55in one position
32:57theoretically
32:58of weakness
32:59you are detained
32:59you are condemned
33:00to life imprisonment
33:01you'll get life sentences
33:02but we need
33:04of you
33:04because this was the reality
33:05why us
33:06Brusca's statements
33:07we needed them
33:07he was perfectly
33:08aware of this
33:14the Golf
33:15I didn't see it
33:15who was driving it
33:17the Golf
33:17at that moment
33:18then they got together
33:20both
33:20all eight people
33:22in two cars
33:23and in the building
33:24I arrived
33:25with two cars
33:28and at the beginning
33:29It starts abruptly
33:29to propose
33:30a whole series
33:30of poisoned meatballs
33:32Why
33:34Brusca
33:35on some things
33:37he begins to deny
33:38a whole series
33:39of data
33:39which we believed
33:40absolutely certain
33:43he said things
33:44and he didn't say anything else
33:46he saved
33:47some people
33:48while he was telling
33:49everything by thread
33:50and as a sign
33:50of others
33:51and then at that point
33:52they understood
33:53that there was something
33:54that didn't work
33:55so having understood
33:56that he spread
33:57these poisoned meatballs
33:58I went to talk
33:59with Enzo Brusca
34:00and there they understood
34:01that actually
34:02there was a strategy
34:06after the statements
34:07by Enzo Salvatore
34:08Brusca
34:09that I collect them
34:09in the autumn
34:10of 1996
34:11in November
34:12we notify
34:13in Brusca
34:14a notice of guarantee
34:15for slander
34:15and self-slander
34:16so at that point
34:17we put it in front of us
34:18to the out-out
34:19Brusca's lawyer
34:20Luigi Ligotti
34:21he asks for some time
34:23on the margin
34:23of reflection
34:25and from January
34:26Brusca
34:27start collaborating
34:27seriously
34:28my work
34:31that was it
34:32to support
34:34the collaboration
34:35credibility
34:37by Brusca
34:38during the stages
34:40debates
34:42when he was questioned
34:44in the final discussions
34:47illustrate the position
34:51since January 1997
34:53the statements
34:54by Giovanni Brusca
34:55for us they were
34:56I'm not saying
34:57Gospel
34:58but they were
34:59Surely
34:59very very important
35:01to be able to understand
35:02a whole series
35:03of facts
35:04what they had been about
35:13let's say
35:14after Rina's rest
35:15we stayed
35:15Joseph Graviano
35:17Messina Matteo De Nara
35:18even if he was from Trapani
35:19Blond Salvatore
35:21after a labor
35:23by Sino
35:24and Europe Bagarella
35:26which represented
35:27Corleone
35:28which was in conflict
35:29but with Bernardo Provenzano
35:30that he did not share
35:32Rina's choice
35:32and of Bagarella himself
35:34and then
35:35continue
35:36the strategy
35:38Rina's killer
35:41The Capaci massacre
35:43it wasn't
35:45the first massacre
35:46in which Giovanni Brusca
35:47played an important role
35:49because as he himself tells
35:51Then
35:51in some interrogations
35:53it was him
35:54who had participated
35:56to the massacre
35:57where he was killed
35:58the judge
35:59Rocco Chinnici
36:00in 1983
36:1283
36:1383
36:1483
36:14she had part
36:15in the massacre
36:16by Doctor Kini
36:16Yes
36:17it was used there
36:19explosive
36:19Yes
36:20what kind of explosive
36:22do you remember?
36:22same as that
36:23same as that
36:24that I brought it
36:24all of me
36:25equal brought
36:27for the Capaci massacre
36:30Rocco Chinnici
36:31he was a judge
36:32important
36:33because it had been
36:34meanwhile
36:34the one who
36:35which he had started
36:36the anti-mafia pool
36:38right with Giovanni Falcone
36:39with Paolo Borsellino
36:40and other magistrates
36:42I have to say
36:43that the role
36:43which he carried out
36:44Judge Chinnici
36:45it was really fundamental
36:47in the fight
36:52to the mafia
36:52I'm taking up service
36:54to the prosecutor's office
36:55from Palermo
36:56applied
36:57from Termini Merese
36:57November 23rd
36:59of 1993
37:00it's a historic date
37:01because it is fateful
37:02because it's the date
37:03in which the little one
37:04Joseph Di Matteo
37:05he is kidnapped
37:05from the bareggio
37:06of the Vitale brothers
37:07he will remain a prisoner
37:08of Cosa Nostra
37:09for 779 days
37:10and then he will be killed
37:11his little corpse
37:12will be dissolved
37:13in the acid
37:13in the night
37:14between the 11th
37:14and January 12th
37:16of 1996
37:21the nail
37:23is getting ready
37:23to put
37:27the noose
37:29And
37:29I
37:31I lose my shoulder
37:31I wasn't saying
37:32from another shoulder
37:35the nail
37:36pull
37:37is put
37:39on the ground
37:44it seemed
37:45an eternity
37:46I do not know
37:46maybe they were
37:47a few minutes
37:47but I don't know
37:48how many minutes
37:49how many acts
37:50they lasted
37:53Anyway
37:54it's all over
37:56we put
37:56in
37:59the trash can
38:00we poured the acid
38:02and in the morning
38:04we emptied
38:05the whole thing
38:22when Giovanni Brusca
38:23he finds out
38:24that Santino di Matteo
38:25had started
38:26to collaborate
38:27with justice
38:28makes a decision
38:29he has kidnapped
38:30the son
38:30by Santino di Matteo
38:32Joseph
38:32who had just
38:3412 years old
38:34then decide
38:35to have him kidnapped
38:36at the riding school
38:37because the child
38:38he was an enthusiast
38:39of horses
38:40it was Giovanni Brusca
38:41to give him
38:42the horse
38:43on which he rode
38:45the father
38:46through thick and thin
38:48continued
38:49to tell
38:50to the magistrates
38:51a series
38:52of important facts
38:53including
38:53the details
38:55on the massacre
38:55of Capaci
38:56but also
38:57on the killing
38:58of the tax collector
38:58Ignazio Salvo
38:59and many other things
39:00Therefore
39:00the stories
39:01and the statements
39:03of the collaborator
39:04by Matthew
39:04they were
39:05very very important
39:06Unfortunately
39:07the child
39:08he paid for it
39:08the consequences
39:12his odyssey
39:13it lasted
39:14779 days
39:16until arriving
39:17Instead
39:17on January 11th
39:19of 1996
39:21when Giovanni Brusca
39:23after knowing
39:24of having been
39:25convicted
39:25to life imprisonment
39:26for the murder
39:27by Ignazio Salvo
39:28decide
39:30immediately
39:30to get rid of
39:32that's what he says
39:33of the child
39:42while they give
39:44the news
39:45of that day
39:46of what had come
39:48in the national field
39:49they give the news
39:50that I
39:50I had taken
39:51the gastro
39:52for the murder
39:53by Ignazio Salvo
39:54I
39:55Luca Pagarella
39:56and many others
39:57and since
39:58I was already
39:58nervous
39:59that is, agitated
40:00for discussions
40:01that he had had
40:02with Monticciolo
40:04without reflection
40:06with a moment
40:07of impulsiveness
40:08without arguing
40:09as he had done
40:10with other facts
40:12previously
40:12I told him
40:13to Giuseppe Monticciolo
40:14to go out
40:16Therefore
40:17all responsibility
40:18my
40:18of no one else
40:19telling him
40:20battene
40:21and go
40:22to fix
40:24this code
40:24in the sense that
40:25go
40:25and you go
40:26to kill
40:27it's like this
40:28from the order
40:29from the order
40:31and what comes next
40:31followed
40:32by Giuseppe Monticciolo
40:34by Vincenzo Chiodo
40:35and from his brother
40:36Enzo Brusca
40:37it's the three of them
40:37to be here
40:38in this place
40:39January 11th
40:41of 96
40:42to strangle first
40:44and then
40:46MELT
40:47in the acid
40:48After
40:49the murder
40:50of the child
40:51she of the modalities
40:52of surveillance
40:52of the corpse
40:53let's say that
40:53he must have guessed it for me
40:55No?
40:55Yes
40:55I told myself
40:56it is sent to us
40:57to have acid
40:58to get out of it
40:59more than anything else
41:00to remove the evidence
41:01if not disappear
41:02let's not talk about it anymore
41:04the story of the peak of batti
41:05it's the story that marked me
41:06more in Palermo
41:07because it was mine
41:07biggest professional defeat
41:09the fact of not having succeeded
41:10to save lives
41:11of that child
41:13I do not believe
41:14of having done
41:14nothing wrong
41:16I have no regrets
41:17because I would find myself
41:18a thousand times
41:19under the same conditions
41:20I would make the exact same choices
41:22but certainly
41:22something went wrong
41:24why we failed
41:25to get the result
41:36Giovanni Brusca today
41:38he is a man
41:39that burned
41:40its existence
41:43in crime
41:45and in prison
41:47who lives with remorse
41:50but what he discovered
41:52faith
41:59I met
42:00the first time
42:01John Brusca
42:03I think
42:04one or two years
42:05Before
42:06of the pandemic
42:07from Covid
42:08it had to be
42:092017
42:092018
42:10I went to meet him
42:12in prison
42:13of Rebibbia
42:14the first time
42:15I remember
42:15everything about that first meeting
42:16inevitably
42:20it struck me
42:21one thing
42:22of that first meeting
42:23with Giovanni Brusca
42:25it struck me
42:26that he carried
42:26around the neck
42:27some glasses
42:28I thought
42:30instinctively
42:31inside me
42:31so even the monsters
42:33they need
42:35some glasses
42:35to read
42:36the glasses
42:38that he carried
42:38around the neck
42:39they gave it back to me
42:40the figure
42:41of a normal person
42:43in some ways
42:44banal
42:45like me
42:46who needs
42:47to put
42:47the glasses
42:48to read
42:50in Giovanni Brusca
42:52I met
42:53a humanity
42:55first of all
42:57torn apart
42:57from himself
42:59him like many others
43:01has reduced
43:02in tatters
43:03not only
43:03humanity
43:04of many people
43:05but it has reduced
43:06in tatters
43:07one's humanity
43:14during the collaboration
43:16by Giovanni Brusca
43:17naturally
43:17there was no shortage
43:18the twists and turns
43:19because at a certain point
43:20John Brusca
43:21he's talking about a duck
43:25I meet
43:27with Salvatore Rina
43:28to ask for news
43:29what a possibility
43:30we have power
43:31that the central point
43:33aside
43:33all the others
43:36elements
43:37that came out
43:38in the so-called
43:40duck
43:41me with Rina
43:42we didn't talk
43:44only of massacres
43:44murders
43:45we also talked
43:45of legal facts
43:46we also talked
43:47of others
43:47so we were talking
43:48of these facts too
43:48and the central point
43:49between me and Rina
43:50it was the missed trial
43:52I have never seen Brusca
43:55the document
43:57but
43:57he learned from doctor Rina
44:02that had been done
44:04a paper
44:05so with gestures
44:08it means a writing
44:10with some requests
44:12to get benefits
44:21what is papello
44:23it's a sheet of paper
44:24on which they are written
44:25a series of requests
44:27that the mafia
44:28does to the State
44:30to finish
44:31let's say
44:32the massacre strategy
44:33of Cosa Nostra
44:37among the various requests
44:39there is for example
44:40the abolition
44:41of hard prison
44:42then the abolition
44:43of 41 bis
44:44or
44:45the abolition also
44:46of the law
44:47on collaborators
44:48of justice
44:51the main goal
44:52by Salvatore Rina
44:53deprived man
44:55of any
44:55ethics
44:57it could only be
44:59his personal interest
45:00and the only personal interest
45:02that Salvatore Rina had
45:03it was that
45:04of the review
45:04of the maxi-trial
45:07I believe that
45:09Speaking of which
45:10of the statements
45:11on the paper
45:12that Brusca
45:12he told
45:13to the magistrates
45:14I think that
45:16they are declarations
45:17in some way
45:18absolutely true
45:20because he learned them
45:21directly
45:23by Salvatore Rina
45:30naturally
45:31this little paper
45:31then he created
45:32even a little bit
45:33of turmoil
45:34Why
45:34he entered
45:35in the process
45:36negotiation
45:37the so-called
45:37negotiation
45:38between the State and the Mafia
45:39that I want to remember
45:40then it ended
45:41with a sentence
45:42of acquittal
45:43For
45:44of the defendants
45:46excellent
45:47Dell'Utri
45:47General Mori
45:49the colonel
45:50De Donno
45:50so many names
45:51which were
45:52involved
45:53in this process
45:53but then
45:54they were acquitted
46:00I think it was
46:01a question
46:02more to deal with
46:03by historians
46:04more than aside
46:05of the judiciary
46:10the men
46:11who have treated
46:12they weren't mafiosi
46:13they were not
46:14in the pay
46:15of the mafiosi
46:15they did not deal
46:16Certain
46:17to promote
46:19our thing
46:19they were dealing with
46:20to stop
46:21the massacres
46:30with the capture
46:32and thank you
46:32to collaboration
46:33by Brusca
46:34we have
46:34somehow
46:35but also
46:36with the other fugitives
46:37captured in those years
46:38somehow
46:40I paid
46:40a debt
46:41of gratitude
46:42towards
46:43by Giovanni Falcone
46:45by Paolo Borsellino
46:46by Nini Cassarà
46:48by Boris Giuliano
46:49by Beppe Montana
46:50and many others
46:51who are dead
46:53in those massacres
46:54of the mafia
47:04when you enter
47:05the mobile squad
47:05from Palermo
47:06of which I had
47:07the honor
47:07and the privilege
47:08to be a manager
47:09entering
47:09on the left
47:10there is a tombstone
47:11which is only
47:12in that mobile squad
47:13there are about fifteen
47:14of names
47:15Cassarà
47:16Montana
47:17Skullcap
47:18and others
47:18who are dead
47:19to do
47:20their duty
47:20At that time
47:21this gives a link
47:22strong
47:22a bond
47:23I feel like saying
47:24visceral
47:29above all
47:29the satisfaction
47:30of having done
47:31one's duty
47:32of having perhaps
47:33improved
47:35Palermo
47:35it's a little piece
47:36of our country
47:49today Giovanni Brusca
47:50he is a free man
47:52because not only
47:53he finished serving his sentence
47:54the penalty
47:54but for about a year
47:56he is a totally man
47:57free
47:58because he no longer has
47:59any kind
48:00of constraint
48:02by the State
48:07my battle
48:09it was that
48:10to demonstrate
48:11the truth
48:13of the collaborator
48:14to make him have
48:17the discount
48:19of the expected penalty
48:20for collaborators
48:23Brusca is a man
48:24free today
48:25who has
48:25I'm sorry to say it
48:26paid his debt
48:27with justice
48:28and we can also say one thing
48:30he is the collaborator
48:31of justice
48:31that has been done
48:32more jail than all
48:33Brusca was in jail
48:34for over 25 years
48:37many collaborators
48:39of justice
48:39yes maybe
48:40they are stained
48:41of some murder
48:41in less
48:42compared to him
48:43of days in prison
48:44they made it
48:45much, much less
48:46by Giovanni Brusca
48:47and the fact that Brusca
48:48be free
48:49it's a victory
48:50of the State
48:52know Brusca
48:54free
48:54for me
48:55it's not certain
48:56a joy
48:58I had to
48:59accept
49:00Why
49:01the law
49:02on the repentants
49:03it was wanted
49:06and created
49:06from John
49:08and if he
49:09he wanted
49:10This
49:10it means
49:11that the interest
49:12to protect
49:13era
49:14that
49:15to defend
49:16the company
49:25speaking with many magistrates
49:28who worked
49:29in these years
49:30I was told
49:32that Brusca
49:33he avoided
49:34other massacres
49:36and that he gave
49:37the possibility
49:38to do
49:38investigations
49:40very important
49:41for which
49:42if he is free
49:44that's it
49:45that justice
49:46he wanted
49:52me and Giovanni Brusca
49:54let's continue to talk
49:56and we continue to have
49:58this relationship
49:59of interviews
50:04accompany someone like that
50:05it doesn't mean
50:06to confuse
50:07the victims
50:08with the executioner
50:09it doesn't mean
50:10forget
50:10who is the victim
50:11and who is the executioner
50:12I think
50:13which is important
50:14to remain still
50:15in this distinction
50:16I am one thing
50:17the victims
50:18and one thing
50:19they are those people
50:20that they took away
50:20life
50:21to these victims
50:22he doesn't know this
50:23mean
50:24but that
50:24I don't have to
50:25walk
50:25next to Cain
50:26so to speak
50:27while listening
50:29Abel's cry
50:35yesterday too
50:37I heard it
50:42and yesterday too
50:44we talked
50:47of capable
50:51because I
50:53I'm still looking
50:55some answers
50:57to Cain
51:39Thank you all.
52:01Thank you all.
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