00:00Our bigger NBA story, of course, is Jason Kidd out.
00:03How about the strays he's been catching, by the way?
00:06You guys yesterday talked about Henry Abbott and what he said.
00:10Yeah.
00:10And who is Henry Abbott again?
00:12Henry Abbott from True Hoop.
00:13He used to be over at ESPN.
00:15But he had talked about, yeah, covered Jason Kidd when he was with the Nets,
00:19know some of his close childhood friends, met his family, been to his house.
00:23This is a great firing.
00:24It's like, oh, that's cold.
00:26I love that phrasing.
00:27This is a great firing.
00:28I can't recall seeing that.
00:30No, I can't either.
00:31That's clever.
00:32Then you had someone on Twitter say, years ago, a Nike executive told me,
00:36Jason Kidd is going to get fired from every coaching job he gets
00:39because for as good as he is at X's and O's and player development,
00:43over time he becomes insufferable and his personality starts to weigh on people.
00:47Michael Carter Williams, the former Buck, quote tweeted that and said,
00:51I've been trying to tell people this for 10 years now.
00:53Truth always prevails.
00:55I don't hold that against Jason as much.
00:57The Nike exec was Nico.
01:00Because that was early Jason, right?
01:04We got the whole Giannis relationship and the mental warfare and the book and the psychological battles.
01:09I'm not holding it against them as much, but it is interesting some of the strays that are being fired
01:15at the Hall of Famer.
01:16A Hall of Famer who three times has not been able to stick around Dallas.
01:22He's wanted his trade out when he was a young player, forced his way out, ended up bolting for the
01:26Knicks
01:27and pissing everybody off when he left here at the end of his career and now he's leaving again.
01:30He does rub people the wrong way.
01:32That is 100% has happened to almost every stop except the Lakers where he was there for two years
01:37and probably didn't have enough time.
01:40Brian Windhorst, NBA insider on the Hoop Collective, he dropped some signs that he had heard over Combine weekend in
01:50Chicago.
01:51Correct me if I'm wrong on this, McMahon.
01:53Bad sign part one.
01:55Ready?
01:56Uh-huh.
01:57Jason Kidd was not aware that Masai Ujiri was being hired to be the team president.
02:02Pretty bad sign.
02:03Bad sign number two.
02:05Maybe not at all of them, but I heard that when the Mavericks had meetings with potential draft picks last
02:13week in Chicago
02:14that Jason Kidd wasn't always in the room.
02:16Ooh, I would say that's not a great sign.
02:18Considering they have a lottery pick and it's, you know, pretty important.
02:22Ooh, so not even in the room for some of the prospects that are being interviewed.
02:27So they were recording that in OKC, right?
02:30That's why McMahon was on that.
02:32Just didn't want a picture.
02:33And then Shams Sharania on McAfee talked about Kyrie interest because how's Kyrie reacting to this?
02:43The number one reason for me, Jason Kidd being the head coach here, is the relationship with the star players.
02:49Here's Shams with some insight.
02:52Masai Ujiri did his press conference today and he said we want to see Kyrie Irving and Cooper flag on
02:57the court together.
02:58But there's no question there's multiple contenders around the NBA that are very much monitoring what Kyrie Irving's future is
03:05right now with the Mavericks,
03:07whether it's the summer, whether it's into the season.
03:09But that's all going to play out over the course of the year.
03:12There's no question, Jason Kidd, anyone else in that organization, where they were at with the Luka Doncic of it
03:19all.
03:20Maybe that didn't play a factor in people's firings, but certainly from an informational perspective, from a position of like,
03:27that's good background context.
03:29There's an investigation to an extent that you have to do when you come into an organization.
03:34So it's that, there's the infighting that's been going on internally there, there's been so much toxicity around that organization
03:40that now Masai Ujiri is inheriting.
03:43And they just kept talking about clean slate messaging.
03:47Matt Riccardi, he's out.
03:50You have a number of different coaches, executives, and scouts that have also been let go, according to Shams.
03:57It just felt like a purge.
03:58It felt like Masai came in, and it was like, there was a couple people on this side, a couple
04:04people on that side, and I'm guessing that Luka was the main reason.
04:08Maybe it was training staff stuff, and Masai's just like, you know what, everyone's got to go.
04:15Evacuate the building for 48 hours, we're fumigating this thing, all the Luka leftovers are done.
04:22And listen, he's got faults, but the one thing you can't say about Dumont is that he doesn't let his
04:30people make decisions.
04:33Yep.
04:33And whoever he hires, he's like, you do what I'm hiring you to do.
04:39I am not going to meddle.
04:40And Patrick Dumont, and I know you agree, RJ, he deserves, and maybe Gina Miller can give us a Mavs
04:46guess now, after I say this, Dumont in studio.
04:49Because Mike Schmidt's going on K&C today at 10-20.
04:53Patrick Dumont, in all seriousness, he deserves major, major financial props for what he did.
05:00Whether or not, it doesn't matter how you feel about Jason Kidd as the head coach.
05:06Right or wrong move in your mind, that's irrelevant to this.
05:09Totally agree.
05:09Patrick Dumont wrote a damn $40 million check for Jason Kidd to possibly have to do nothing the rest of
05:16this year or next year.
05:17He said, I don't care.
05:19Yeah.
05:20You have full control, full power.
05:22Got him in trouble with Nico.
05:24That man wrote a $40 million check and ripped up basically a brand new extension.
05:28That's major props to your ownership.
05:30There is not another owner in town that would fire a coach with four years and $40 million left.
05:37Not another owner in town.
05:38I know for damn sure Ray Davis wouldn't, and I know for damn sure Jerry wouldn't.
05:43Right.
05:43I can't speak as much to it.
05:44And look, the Stars, they're not paying a coach $10 million a year anyway.
05:48Yeah.
05:48Right?
05:49They're not going to make that in hockey.
05:50But not another one.
05:52And again, I'm conflicted on the firing.
05:56I mean, I think from an organizational standpoint, it's good to purge.
06:00Basketball-wise, eh.
06:02You know, and to me, if it's not a basketball move, I probably wouldn't do it.
06:05But then again, I'm conflicted on it.
06:08But this is, you should never let money dictate, you know, what's right.
06:14But here's the thing that I have to call back on you over.
06:17You've gone on many a tirade, like, I'm done with this or I'm done with this person.
06:22That has to go.
06:23Worst trade ever.
06:24You've had those takes.
06:26Yeah.
06:26Now you're softening a little bit in saying, I'm okay that they traded him and it's about
06:32the compensation.
06:33Whereas before, I felt like you've said, you've gone on, like, very aggressive takes of wanting
06:41to cut the heads off anyone who dealt it.
06:43Listen, I believe that.
06:46I believe that.
06:47And I said it.
06:48I believe it.
06:48But he believes all of it at the same time.
06:51I see in my little mind, I could believe all that at the same time.
06:55I could believe you need to get rid of him, that you've got to cut the head off.
06:58But also, at the same time, it's probably not the best basketball move.
07:03Okay, and why?
07:04Because I think Jason's a good coach.
07:05Okay, but can you get another good coach?
07:07You can get another good coach.
07:08Can you get a great coach?
07:09Yeah, you can.
07:10You can get a great coach.
07:11There's no doubt.
07:12Like, it's not going to be impossible.
07:14I'm not saying it's going to be easy or automatic.
07:16It can miss.
07:17It's not going to be, to me, 9 out of 10 challenging to get a better coach someday than Jason.
07:24No, absolutely not.
07:25I mean, look, it's not like Jason is.
07:29Is he Mike McCarthy?
07:30Better, worse, same.
07:34I love this music.
07:35Huh.
07:38McCarthy doesn't have the same criminal record.
07:40Stop it.
07:41I think he's more Harbaugh.
07:44Jim or John?
07:45Jim.
07:46Jim?
07:47Yeah, because I can see Jason cheating.
07:50Do you think Jim is?
07:52I mean, I think Jim Harbaugh is a superior coach to Mike McCarthy.
07:55Do you agree?
07:56Or do you think they're kind of the...
07:59I think he's a...
08:01Yeah, I'd probably say he's a better coach.
08:03Okay.
08:04I think he's better than John.
08:04Is he better than Nick?
08:05I think he's better than John.
08:06I think Jim's better than John.
08:06So what I'm saying is, let's just say...
08:08Yeah, you could get a better coach.
08:09No, no, no.
08:09You could get a better coach than Jason Kidd.
08:12I don't think Jason Kidd's on Jim Harbaugh's level.
08:14And I don't think he's on John Harbaugh's level.
08:18So I'm trying to put it in NFL terms.
08:20If you think McCarthy is fair...
08:22I also have a tough time separating...
08:23You can get a better coach than Mike McCarthy.
08:24You can.
08:25You can.
08:25You might not.
08:26You might not.
08:26You might not, but you can.
08:28I also have a tough time separating Jason Kidd's overall standing in the NBA.
08:35Okay.
08:35You know, like it is...
08:37He's kind of like...
08:39He's a legend.
08:40He's a legend of the sport.
08:42I like having that dude as the face of the franchise.
08:44See, Jason Kidd, it just clicked in my mind.
08:46Now I got it.
08:47You always got to dig a little bit deeper with Chop.
08:50It just clicked.
08:50Like, Jason is RJ's all-time favorite player.
08:53Yeah.
08:54There we go.
08:54He talked him up yesterday.
08:56He literally...
08:56What was the term he used?
08:57He said he's basketball...
08:59What?
08:59I don't remember.
09:00It was something like...
09:01That would not have been one of the prophets.
09:02No, no.
09:02He said something like he is basketball royalty or something like that.
09:05He just said, got him a legend.
09:06Yeah, yeah.
09:06He kind of is.
09:07Yeah.
09:08You know?
09:08He's a legend.
09:09He's not a...
09:10He's not an uppercase, bold-letter legend.
09:13I mean, Jason Kidd is all-time great.
09:16He's a Hall of Famer in any sport.
09:17He's one of the top point guards of all time.
09:17In any sport.
09:18No doubt.
09:19No gift Hall of Fame, something about him.
09:21In any sport.
09:22Are you top five point guard ever?
09:23You could argue.
09:24So, yeah, it's just...
09:25You know, it hits me a little bit.
09:27But, again, you got to purge.
09:29I'm okay with the purging of anybody who touched the Luka trade.
09:34I just think, like, you know...
09:36Like, that's got to make you question his basketball standpoint,
09:39viewpoint a little bit, his basketball judgment, right?
09:42No, because I don't have a problem with him wanting to trade Luka.
09:45There's a difference between having a price you'd be willing to accept
09:48and actively saying, go find it.
09:51Like saying, yeah, if you call me and offer me six firsts, I'll do it,
09:54versus go actively find a trade partner to get rid of this guy.
09:57And that's what kids sounded like you wanted to do.
09:59I know the NFL comparison for you, Sean.
10:01He's Mike McDaniel.
10:03Where Mike McDaniel, there's like half the time you watch and go like,
10:06holy cow, he's like one of the best you've ever seen.
10:08And then the other time you're like, why does he have a job?
10:10He should absolutely be fired right now.
10:12What about the replacements?
10:16I got the odds from Vegas and BetOnline.
10:19Everyone's talking about Sean Sweeney, 3-2, plus 150.
10:25Nick Nurse, 3-1.
10:27Frank Vogel, 4-1.
10:30Steve Nash, 6-1.
10:31Tiago Splitter, 8-1.
10:34Tom Thibodeau, 10-1.
10:36Billy Donovan, 14-1.
10:39Mike Malone, just took the Carolina job.
10:40Johnny Bryant, Makai Nori.
10:43That's someone that people keep bringing up that Ujiri has ties to.
10:48Darvin Ham.
10:49And then the college name being thrown out there, 28-1, is John Shire at Duke.
10:55You know, I kind of, I don't like that I don't have my immediate.
10:59I wanted Ujiri, excuse me.
11:02I wanted Masai as my long shot GM hope.
11:07I don't have that head coach right now.
11:09And that's kind of his M.O., too, of not getting the blockbuster name.
11:15Yeah, I get that.
11:16I mean, I don't want, I don't want a retread, but I also have, I don't really consider, I
11:23consider Frank Vogel a retread.
11:25I don't really consider Nick Nurse a retread.
11:28Okay.
11:29Right?
11:29I like Nick Nurse.
11:31I like Nick Nurse, too.
11:32What's his, is he up in Philly?
11:34Or are they just talking about, he got fired, didn't he?
11:36No, no, no, Daryl Morey got fired.
11:38Daryl Morey got fired.
11:38Nick Nurse is supposed to come back.
11:40I don't know, the contract's standing.
11:42Maybe the new GM comes in and has different plans for it.
11:45I don't want a rookie head coach.
11:48I just, I don't want, I don't want to sit here and do trial and error with a rookie head
11:52coach.
11:53I want somebody who has a track record of developing young players.
11:58Do you consider John Shire a rookie head coach?
12:00No, I don't.
12:00Okay.
12:01All right, yeah, no, I don't consider.
12:02You're talking about like a Steve Kerr thrown into the mix.
12:04Duke is a NBA program.
12:06I don't consider John Shire a rookie head coach.
12:08Plus, John Shire already coached Cooper Flagg.
12:11So, there's a connection there.
12:14Michael Malone would be my number one.
12:17If I could get Michael Malone, I don't know that he's going to because I have no idea what
12:21his buyout is.
12:22Hey, he might not even have signed his contract yet because Bill Belichick waited six months
12:26at the same school to sign his contract.
12:27So, maybe he hasn't.
12:28But Budenholzer, that's a retread.
12:31Don't really want him.
12:33Tibbs is interesting, but his offense is so old school.
12:37I don't want Tibbs.
12:40Donovan intrigues me.
12:42Billy.
12:43Billy Donovan.
12:44Billy Donovan intrigues me.
12:45But I don't want, I just don't want a rookie head coach.
12:49I don't.
12:50I think we're too big of a market for that.
12:51Sorry.
12:52Leave that for the Clevelands and the Sacramentos.
12:54One of the names Mike Curtis mentioned yesterday that's not even on those betting odds, and I don't
12:58know why, is Jared Dudley.
13:00And Dudley was here previously, was well-liked, got a promotion to go be the number two with
13:06the Nuggets, has been considered like, that's going to be a future head coach.
13:09I'm interested why Vegas hasn't jumped on that name at all.
13:13The one that was, and let me preface this and say it's a joke in case there's some nerd,
13:18see that nerd chop, in case there's some nerd on Twitter who wants to say, they gave credence
13:23to somebody on Twitter yesterday who was like.
13:24At 103.5, the fan.
13:26Yeah, at 103.5, they said, they're like, calling it now, the LeBron player coach here in Dallas.
13:31And you know, you mentioned Tiago Splitter.
13:33He did a really nice job in Portland.
13:36Was he the coach?
13:37As the interim.
13:38Yeah, with Chauncey.
13:39Remember with Chauncey?
13:39Yeah.
13:40And they went to the play-in game.
13:41Chauncey.
13:42Mike Schmidt's connection.
13:44Yeah, what's that?
13:44Mike Schmidt's connection.
13:45Yeah, that's right.
13:47And, you know, that owner's not going to pay a dime for him.
13:51Offered him like a million-dollar deal.
13:53And Dirk is on here at 75-1.
13:55Tim Bontemps, Hoop Collective, NBA insider for ESPN, said, y'all, it's simple and it's easy.
14:03You don't have to overthink it.
14:05Well, like I said, to me, this should be a very easy search.
14:10Like, Chauncey, he's the top assistant in the league.
14:12He's familiar with the franchise.
14:15If you look at what he's doing with the Spurs, like, he's exactly what they need.
14:21So, you know, we'll see what they do.
14:23I mean, Masai knows what he's doing.
14:25But to me...
14:26But Swinney would also fit.
14:28Yes.
14:29You know, he would fit that track record for Masai.
14:31Let me go find a really sharp assistant coach who's the next great coach.
14:39Not necessarily a guy who's got, you know, some long track record as a head coach.
14:44Who do the Tolos want?
14:46Is there one name, like, really jumping out?
14:48Swinney.
14:49Swinney's the name that most commonly comes up.
14:51So what advice is he would have to add to his hands?
14:51So who else he is starting to explain the coat?
