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Shan, RJ, and Bobby took a look at all of the national and social media aftermath from Jason Kidd’s departure. They analyzed the organizational purge led by Masai Ujiri, debated whether the termination was necessary to move on, looked at potential head coach candidates, and more.
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00:00Our bigger NBA story, of course, is Jason Kidd out.
00:03How about the strays he's been catching, by the way?
00:06You guys yesterday talked about Henry Abbott and what he said.
00:10Yeah.
00:10And who is Henry Abbott again?
00:12Henry Abbott from True Hoop.
00:13He used to be over at ESPN.
00:15But he had talked about, yeah, covered Jason Kidd when he was with the Nets,
00:19know some of his close childhood friends, met his family, been to his house.
00:23This is a great firing.
00:24It's like, oh, that's cold.
00:26I love that phrasing.
00:27This is a great firing.
00:28I can't recall seeing that.
00:30No, I can't either.
00:31That's clever.
00:32Then you had someone on Twitter say, years ago, a Nike executive told me,
00:36Jason Kidd is going to get fired from every coaching job he gets
00:39because for as good as he is at X's and O's and player development,
00:43over time he becomes insufferable and his personality starts to weigh on people.
00:47Michael Carter Williams, the former Buck, quote tweeted that and said,
00:51I've been trying to tell people this for 10 years now.
00:53Truth always prevails.
00:55I don't hold that against Jason as much.
00:57The Nike exec was Nico.
01:00Because that was early Jason, right?
01:04We got the whole Giannis relationship and the mental warfare and the book and the psychological battles.
01:09I'm not holding it against them as much, but it is interesting some of the strays that are being fired
01:15at the Hall of Famer.
01:16A Hall of Famer who three times has not been able to stick around Dallas.
01:22He's wanted his trade out when he was a young player, forced his way out, ended up bolting for the
01:26Knicks
01:27and pissing everybody off when he left here at the end of his career and now he's leaving again.
01:30He does rub people the wrong way.
01:32That is 100% has happened to almost every stop except the Lakers where he was there for two years
01:37and probably didn't have enough time.
01:40Brian Windhorst, NBA insider on the Hoop Collective, he dropped some signs that he had heard over Combine weekend in
01:50Chicago.
01:51Correct me if I'm wrong on this, McMahon.
01:53Bad sign part one.
01:55Ready?
01:56Uh-huh.
01:57Jason Kidd was not aware that Masai Ujiri was being hired to be the team president.
02:02Pretty bad sign.
02:03Bad sign number two.
02:05Maybe not at all of them, but I heard that when the Mavericks had meetings with potential draft picks last
02:13week in Chicago
02:14that Jason Kidd wasn't always in the room.
02:16Ooh, I would say that's not a great sign.
02:18Considering they have a lottery pick and it's, you know, pretty important.
02:22Ooh, so not even in the room for some of the prospects that are being interviewed.
02:27So they were recording that in OKC, right?
02:30That's why McMahon was on that.
02:32Just didn't want a picture.
02:33And then Shams Sharania on McAfee talked about Kyrie interest because how's Kyrie reacting to this?
02:43The number one reason for me, Jason Kidd being the head coach here, is the relationship with the star players.
02:49Here's Shams with some insight.
02:52Masai Ujiri did his press conference today and he said we want to see Kyrie Irving and Cooper flag on
02:57the court together.
02:58But there's no question there's multiple contenders around the NBA that are very much monitoring what Kyrie Irving's future is
03:05right now with the Mavericks,
03:07whether it's the summer, whether it's into the season.
03:09But that's all going to play out over the course of the year.
03:12There's no question, Jason Kidd, anyone else in that organization, where they were at with the Luka Doncic of it
03:19all.
03:20Maybe that didn't play a factor in people's firings, but certainly from an informational perspective, from a position of like,
03:27that's good background context.
03:29There's an investigation to an extent that you have to do when you come into an organization.
03:34So it's that, there's the infighting that's been going on internally there, there's been so much toxicity around that organization
03:40that now Masai Ujiri is inheriting.
03:43And they just kept talking about clean slate messaging.
03:47Matt Riccardi, he's out.
03:50You have a number of different coaches, executives, and scouts that have also been let go, according to Shams.
03:57It just felt like a purge.
03:58It felt like Masai came in, and it was like, there was a couple people on this side, a couple
04:04people on that side, and I'm guessing that Luka was the main reason.
04:08Maybe it was training staff stuff, and Masai's just like, you know what, everyone's got to go.
04:15Evacuate the building for 48 hours, we're fumigating this thing, all the Luka leftovers are done.
04:22And listen, he's got faults, but the one thing you can't say about Dumont is that he doesn't let his
04:30people make decisions.
04:33Yep.
04:33And whoever he hires, he's like, you do what I'm hiring you to do.
04:39I am not going to meddle.
04:40And Patrick Dumont, and I know you agree, RJ, he deserves, and maybe Gina Miller can give us a Mavs
04:46guess now, after I say this, Dumont in studio.
04:49Because Mike Schmidt's going on K&C today at 10-20.
04:53Patrick Dumont, in all seriousness, he deserves major, major financial props for what he did.
05:00Whether or not, it doesn't matter how you feel about Jason Kidd as the head coach.
05:06Right or wrong move in your mind, that's irrelevant to this.
05:09Totally agree.
05:09Patrick Dumont wrote a damn $40 million check for Jason Kidd to possibly have to do nothing the rest of
05:16this year or next year.
05:17He said, I don't care.
05:19Yeah.
05:20You have full control, full power.
05:22Got him in trouble with Nico.
05:24That man wrote a $40 million check and ripped up basically a brand new extension.
05:28That's major props to your ownership.
05:30There is not another owner in town that would fire a coach with four years and $40 million left.
05:37Not another owner in town.
05:38I know for damn sure Ray Davis wouldn't, and I know for damn sure Jerry wouldn't.
05:43Right.
05:43I can't speak as much to it.
05:44And look, the Stars, they're not paying a coach $10 million a year anyway.
05:48Yeah.
05:48Right?
05:49They're not going to make that in hockey.
05:50But not another one.
05:52And again, I'm conflicted on the firing.
05:56I mean, I think from an organizational standpoint, it's good to purge.
06:00Basketball-wise, eh.
06:02You know, and to me, if it's not a basketball move, I probably wouldn't do it.
06:05But then again, I'm conflicted on it.
06:08But this is, you should never let money dictate, you know, what's right.
06:14But here's the thing that I have to call back on you over.
06:17You've gone on many a tirade, like, I'm done with this or I'm done with this person.
06:22That has to go.
06:23Worst trade ever.
06:24You've had those takes.
06:26Yeah.
06:26Now you're softening a little bit in saying, I'm okay that they traded him and it's about
06:32the compensation.
06:33Whereas before, I felt like you've said, you've gone on, like, very aggressive takes of wanting
06:41to cut the heads off anyone who dealt it.
06:43Listen, I believe that.
06:46I believe that.
06:47And I said it.
06:48I believe it.
06:48But he believes all of it at the same time.
06:51I see in my little mind, I could believe all that at the same time.
06:55I could believe you need to get rid of him, that you've got to cut the head off.
06:58But also, at the same time, it's probably not the best basketball move.
07:03Okay, and why?
07:04Because I think Jason's a good coach.
07:05Okay, but can you get another good coach?
07:07You can get another good coach.
07:08Can you get a great coach?
07:09Yeah, you can.
07:10You can get a great coach.
07:11There's no doubt.
07:12Like, it's not going to be impossible.
07:14I'm not saying it's going to be easy or automatic.
07:16It can miss.
07:17It's not going to be, to me, 9 out of 10 challenging to get a better coach someday than Jason.
07:24No, absolutely not.
07:25I mean, look, it's not like Jason is.
07:29Is he Mike McCarthy?
07:30Better, worse, same.
07:34I love this music.
07:35Huh.
07:38McCarthy doesn't have the same criminal record.
07:40Stop it.
07:41I think he's more Harbaugh.
07:44Jim or John?
07:45Jim.
07:46Jim?
07:47Yeah, because I can see Jason cheating.
07:50Do you think Jim is?
07:52I mean, I think Jim Harbaugh is a superior coach to Mike McCarthy.
07:55Do you agree?
07:56Or do you think they're kind of the...
07:59I think he's a...
08:01Yeah, I'd probably say he's a better coach.
08:03Okay.
08:04I think he's better than John.
08:04Is he better than Nick?
08:05I think he's better than John.
08:06I think Jim's better than John.
08:06So what I'm saying is, let's just say...
08:08Yeah, you could get a better coach.
08:09No, no, no.
08:09You could get a better coach than Jason Kidd.
08:12I don't think Jason Kidd's on Jim Harbaugh's level.
08:14And I don't think he's on John Harbaugh's level.
08:18So I'm trying to put it in NFL terms.
08:20If you think McCarthy is fair...
08:22I also have a tough time separating...
08:23You can get a better coach than Mike McCarthy.
08:24You can.
08:25You can.
08:25You might not.
08:26You might not.
08:26You might not, but you can.
08:28I also have a tough time separating Jason Kidd's overall standing in the NBA.
08:35Okay.
08:35You know, like it is...
08:37He's kind of like...
08:39He's a legend.
08:40He's a legend of the sport.
08:42I like having that dude as the face of the franchise.
08:44See, Jason Kidd, it just clicked in my mind.
08:46Now I got it.
08:47You always got to dig a little bit deeper with Chop.
08:50It just clicked.
08:50Like, Jason is RJ's all-time favorite player.
08:53Yeah.
08:54There we go.
08:54He talked him up yesterday.
08:56He literally...
08:56What was the term he used?
08:57He said he's basketball...
08:59What?
08:59I don't remember.
09:00It was something like...
09:01That would not have been one of the prophets.
09:02No, no.
09:02He said something like he is basketball royalty or something like that.
09:05He just said, got him a legend.
09:06Yeah, yeah.
09:06He kind of is.
09:07Yeah.
09:08You know?
09:08He's a legend.
09:09He's not a...
09:10He's not an uppercase, bold-letter legend.
09:13I mean, Jason Kidd is all-time great.
09:16He's a Hall of Famer in any sport.
09:17He's one of the top point guards of all time.
09:17In any sport.
09:18No doubt.
09:19No gift Hall of Fame, something about him.
09:21In any sport.
09:22Are you top five point guard ever?
09:23You could argue.
09:24So, yeah, it's just...
09:25You know, it hits me a little bit.
09:27But, again, you got to purge.
09:29I'm okay with the purging of anybody who touched the Luka trade.
09:34I just think, like, you know...
09:36Like, that's got to make you question his basketball standpoint,
09:39viewpoint a little bit, his basketball judgment, right?
09:42No, because I don't have a problem with him wanting to trade Luka.
09:45There's a difference between having a price you'd be willing to accept
09:48and actively saying, go find it.
09:51Like saying, yeah, if you call me and offer me six firsts, I'll do it,
09:54versus go actively find a trade partner to get rid of this guy.
09:57And that's what kids sounded like you wanted to do.
09:59I know the NFL comparison for you, Sean.
10:01He's Mike McDaniel.
10:03Where Mike McDaniel, there's like half the time you watch and go like,
10:06holy cow, he's like one of the best you've ever seen.
10:08And then the other time you're like, why does he have a job?
10:10He should absolutely be fired right now.
10:12What about the replacements?
10:16I got the odds from Vegas and BetOnline.
10:19Everyone's talking about Sean Sweeney, 3-2, plus 150.
10:25Nick Nurse, 3-1.
10:27Frank Vogel, 4-1.
10:30Steve Nash, 6-1.
10:31Tiago Splitter, 8-1.
10:34Tom Thibodeau, 10-1.
10:36Billy Donovan, 14-1.
10:39Mike Malone, just took the Carolina job.
10:40Johnny Bryant, Makai Nori.
10:43That's someone that people keep bringing up that Ujiri has ties to.
10:48Darvin Ham.
10:49And then the college name being thrown out there, 28-1, is John Shire at Duke.
10:55You know, I kind of, I don't like that I don't have my immediate.
10:59I wanted Ujiri, excuse me.
11:02I wanted Masai as my long shot GM hope.
11:07I don't have that head coach right now.
11:09And that's kind of his M.O., too, of not getting the blockbuster name.
11:15Yeah, I get that.
11:16I mean, I don't want, I don't want a retread, but I also have, I don't really consider, I
11:23consider Frank Vogel a retread.
11:25I don't really consider Nick Nurse a retread.
11:28Okay.
11:29Right?
11:29I like Nick Nurse.
11:31I like Nick Nurse, too.
11:32What's his, is he up in Philly?
11:34Or are they just talking about, he got fired, didn't he?
11:36No, no, no, Daryl Morey got fired.
11:38Daryl Morey got fired.
11:38Nick Nurse is supposed to come back.
11:40I don't know, the contract's standing.
11:42Maybe the new GM comes in and has different plans for it.
11:45I don't want a rookie head coach.
11:48I just, I don't want, I don't want to sit here and do trial and error with a rookie head
11:52coach.
11:53I want somebody who has a track record of developing young players.
11:58Do you consider John Shire a rookie head coach?
12:00No, I don't.
12:00Okay.
12:01All right, yeah, no, I don't consider.
12:02You're talking about like a Steve Kerr thrown into the mix.
12:04Duke is a NBA program.
12:06I don't consider John Shire a rookie head coach.
12:08Plus, John Shire already coached Cooper Flagg.
12:11So, there's a connection there.
12:14Michael Malone would be my number one.
12:17If I could get Michael Malone, I don't know that he's going to because I have no idea what
12:21his buyout is.
12:22Hey, he might not even have signed his contract yet because Bill Belichick waited six months
12:26at the same school to sign his contract.
12:27So, maybe he hasn't.
12:28But Budenholzer, that's a retread.
12:31Don't really want him.
12:33Tibbs is interesting, but his offense is so old school.
12:37I don't want Tibbs.
12:40Donovan intrigues me.
12:42Billy.
12:43Billy Donovan.
12:44Billy Donovan intrigues me.
12:45But I don't want, I just don't want a rookie head coach.
12:49I don't.
12:50I think we're too big of a market for that.
12:51Sorry.
12:52Leave that for the Clevelands and the Sacramentos.
12:54One of the names Mike Curtis mentioned yesterday that's not even on those betting odds, and I don't
12:58know why, is Jared Dudley.
13:00And Dudley was here previously, was well-liked, got a promotion to go be the number two with
13:06the Nuggets, has been considered like, that's going to be a future head coach.
13:09I'm interested why Vegas hasn't jumped on that name at all.
13:13The one that was, and let me preface this and say it's a joke in case there's some nerd,
13:18see that nerd chop, in case there's some nerd on Twitter who wants to say, they gave credence
13:23to somebody on Twitter yesterday who was like.
13:24At 103.5, the fan.
13:26Yeah, at 103.5, they said, they're like, calling it now, the LeBron player coach here in Dallas.
13:31And you know, you mentioned Tiago Splitter.
13:33He did a really nice job in Portland.
13:36Was he the coach?
13:37As the interim.
13:38Yeah, with Chauncey.
13:39Remember with Chauncey?
13:39Yeah.
13:40And they went to the play-in game.
13:41Chauncey.
13:42Mike Schmidt's connection.
13:44Yeah, what's that?
13:44Mike Schmidt's connection.
13:45Yeah, that's right.
13:47And, you know, that owner's not going to pay a dime for him.
13:51Offered him like a million-dollar deal.
13:53And Dirk is on here at 75-1.
13:55Tim Bontemps, Hoop Collective, NBA insider for ESPN, said, y'all, it's simple and it's easy.
14:03You don't have to overthink it.
14:05Well, like I said, to me, this should be a very easy search.
14:10Like, Chauncey, he's the top assistant in the league.
14:12He's familiar with the franchise.
14:15If you look at what he's doing with the Spurs, like, he's exactly what they need.
14:21So, you know, we'll see what they do.
14:23I mean, Masai knows what he's doing.
14:25But to me...
14:26But Swinney would also fit.
14:28Yes.
14:29You know, he would fit that track record for Masai.
14:31Let me go find a really sharp assistant coach who's the next great coach.
14:39Not necessarily a guy who's got, you know, some long track record as a head coach.
14:44Who do the Tolos want?
14:46Is there one name, like, really jumping out?
14:48Swinney.
14:49Swinney's the name that most commonly comes up.
14:51So what advice is he would have to add to his hands?
14:51So who else he is starting to explain the coat?
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