00:00Give me a quick recap of y'all's opinions on this and how the Tolos responded to Jason Kidd being
00:06gone.
00:07Tolos were like 75-80% in favor?
00:1080-80+.
00:11There were a handful who were, Choppy being one of them, there were a handful of people who were not
00:17thrilled with it.
00:19But Peyton, you can summarize. What was the theme of yesterday? You've been singing it?
00:25Oh, oh, oh, happy day.
00:28Oh, happy day.
00:29We played that music a lot, and now it's stuck in Peyton's head and he can't stop singing it.
00:33Why were you unhappy?
00:34I'm conflicted.
00:35Which means he's unhappy and he doesn't just want to say it with his chest.
00:39No, no, no, I'm conflicted about it.
00:41Because I think everybody who was involved in the Luka trade needs to go.
00:47I also think it's not necessarily the...
00:50I have a problem anytime companies do something that is not a production move.
00:57I don't like cost cutting.
00:59I don't like doing things that are...
01:01Well, that wasn't this.
01:02That wasn't this.
01:03Definitely not this.
01:06I don't believe that for me this was the right basketball move.
01:10It might be the right organizational move.
01:12It might be the right culture move.
01:15It might be the right whatever.
01:16I don't know that this is the right basketball move.
01:22I feel like culture is basketball.
01:24No.
01:25Basketball is just...
01:28Culture is the locker room.
01:30Culture is the front office.
01:31It's the fan base.
01:33There's no cohesion with this organization right now.
01:36Fan base included.
01:38A lot of fighting.
01:39Need to temper that down.
01:40But is this the right basketball?
01:42That's where I'm just conflicted about this.
01:44I would lean towards happy.
01:45In my poll question, it was, are you happy about it?
01:48Are you mad?
01:49Or are you undecided?
01:5071% of the Tolos voted happy that it's time for a change.
01:5522% said undecided.
01:57And 6% said mad slash dumb move.
02:00I always struggle with Kidd because I never liked Jason's personality.
02:05I never, I didn't like his response to things.
02:08He, sometimes I questioned like his just gray matter and his intelligence.
02:11I did.
02:12With some of the responses he gave, like the Babe Ruth thing, that has to cause...
02:17That's pretty cool.
02:18That has to force me to question your intelligence.
02:23He always had this chip on his shoulder.
02:25I always felt like he was a different dude behind the scenes.
02:29We're starting to get that from Henry Abbott, NBA insider Michael Carter-Williams going after him yesterday because of their
02:36time in Milwaukee.
02:37That was when, you know, it just felt like Jason was kind of a different dude behind the scenes.
02:42And I always held against him.
02:44He was never...
02:45Masai Ujiri, and you're going to hear this in some clips coming up, either decided or was told by Patrick
02:52Dumont, we have to be over the top transparent.
02:55And Ujiri gave a clip yesterday that I thought fully encompassed Nico and the way he went about the media
03:02and Jason Kidd and the way he went about it.
03:05Jason Kidd could never just straight up man up and say, this is how I felt about Luka Doncic and
03:12this was my part in the deal.
03:14We all had to play this guessing game.
03:16He couldn't just own it and say, I'm a Hall of Fame basketball mind.
03:19I know what it takes to win.
03:21I do have a championship.
03:23And this was my opinion on it.
03:25Right or wrong.
03:26He just had to dance.
03:27And we had to get it through Mark Cuban and Sham Shrania.
03:30So I always had this kind of ugly feeling about Jason.
03:33So I'm happy that they made this move.
03:36Why did they make it?
03:38Masai Ujiri is becoming very good, or maybe he's always been very good.
03:42I haven't checked out his Toronto pressers at not really giving us anything.
03:48He's already pretty good at that.
03:51What I could gather in trying to read between the lines was this had to be an absolute fumigation of
03:59anything Luka related.
04:00It's like you buy this awesome house and it's a great deal, but three people have passed away in it.
04:07You tear it down.
04:08And in two of the rooms, you're like, I'm just going to rip out the carpet and we're giving it
04:13a new paint job.
04:15But that one room is just kind of still sitting there.
04:18So we have to tear the whole thing down.
04:20I can't live in it.
04:21It's just there.
04:23Spirits.
04:23And what I gather from Ujiri was there's just this side of the building versus that side of the building.
04:32And to me, this is Luka remnants.
04:34This is Luka holdover.
04:36That's the only thing I can really gather because they didn't really get into X's and O's yesterday.
04:40And they didn't get it.
04:42Can't be a relationship thing.
04:43I don't think because Kyrie and a lot of the other players seem to love him.
04:47Ujiri was asked why now for Jason.
04:49I think, you know, when you look at when you gather information, you know, I don't want to put blame
04:56on anything that I do in making this decision.
05:01And a lot of the conversations I had with Jason, you know, I think will stay between us.
05:10For me, it was really thinking about the future of this team, the structure, maybe taking a lot of information,
05:19you know, like of some of the things that I think were beneficial to build a team.
05:25And, you know, being transparent with everybody, I think a new slate was a good way to look at this.
05:36Matt Gangle, who I think has been the star of these press conferences in terms of asking the right questions.
05:41He was the one in the initial one who was like, hey, that lack of vote of confidence you gave,
05:47we're going to take that as Jason's in trouble.
05:50And Masai's like, no, look at my history.
05:52I've kept everyone when I first came into these jobs.
05:54So now we know that Masai is capable of BSing us as if we already didn't know that executives were
06:00capable of it.
06:02But then Mac asked him, does any of this have to do with Jason Kidd being tied to Luka Doncic?
06:07And of course, Masai is basically answering no.
06:10Well, if that's the case, then there's no real reason for the move then.
06:19Unless it's just I want my own people everywhere.
06:22And that is normal.
06:24That normally happens.
06:26New boss takes over here and they could be like, I had this morning show in another market in City.
06:33I think of them.
06:34They're my go-to guys.
06:36And Kidd is, without question, a lot of people think he's an ass.
06:41If Masai's here, he got here and thought, this is not the dude I want coaching young players.
06:44Listen, I don't think it's a question of whether or not he thinks he's an ass or can be.
06:51Jason Kidd.
06:52There's a lot of people in his personal life you can ask about.
06:54But, you know, this is a guy who has done a decent job here.
06:59He's a good basketball coach.
07:00Jason Kidd was a good coach.
07:02I don't think he was a great coach.
07:03Right.
07:04I don't think he's a great coach.
07:04I think you can do better.
07:06Jason Kidd was a good coach.
07:07Every time I saw, any time I thought of Jason Kidd, I either thought he was one of the five
07:13best coaches in the NBA or one of the five worst.
07:15Yeah.
07:16Every night.
07:17And so it was like, yeah, there's times where it's like, wow, what a miracle job he did.
07:20And then other times, like, how does he have a job to do?
07:22Like, I don't even understand how he's employed.
07:24We have way oversold the job he did here.
07:27He walked into Luka, like, walk it into his prime.
07:29Then they added Kyrie.
07:31He lost in three out of the five seasons.
07:33He has as many losing seasons, we talked about yesterday, as Carlisle had in his entire time here.
07:36He has as many losing seasons as Don Nelson had his entire time here.
07:40And Don Nelson got here when they were a team that was 40 games below 500.
07:43But how much of that was intentional tank?
07:45That he was part of, though.
07:46Like, I mean, he was part of them losing it.
07:49That's what I'm saying.
07:50I don't think we can say he did a great job.
07:51No, but if it's a front office mission, organizational mission to tank, I can't, I'm not holding that against you.
07:57But they were, like, for instance, two of the three years where they had losing records, they definitively were just
08:03not good enough.
08:04That's what it was.
08:05And then one year, they traded some guy named Luka in the middle of it.
08:10That kid endorsed him, that's part of his job.
08:13That's part of the evaluation.
08:15Like, you can't say there's for no basketball reasons and then, like, ignore that part of it.
08:20That's a basketball reason.
08:21I don't, endorsing something that your boss does, I don't know.
08:26Maybe this is just me, because if Spittle says something, do you like this?
08:31I'm going to say whatever I think he wants me to say.
08:33Okay, that's you.
08:34I'm not.
08:35Yeah, that's me.
08:36That's a lot of people.
08:38I think it's 90% of you.
08:39So you think that Jason Kidd was against it?
08:41That's what you, you believe that, what do you believe deep down?
08:44I believe deep down that he was totally cool with the idea of trading Luka.
08:49Okay.
08:49Yeah.
08:50I think he was cool with it.
08:50Which, you know what, I don't have a problem with.
08:52I have a problem with the return.
08:54Okay.
08:54Which is, I only put on Nico.
08:56I do not put on anybody but Nico.
08:58It just feels like he sat down and he's hearing, you know those Donvan, not a piece, any profile
09:06piece of, and it happens on every team.
09:09This person felt this way and this part of the building felt that way.
09:14Ujiri, in my opinion, came in here, heard that, felt that, saw that, and he doesn't
09:21want that to start off.
09:22That's just my guess because, again, he's not being very detailed and he's not going to
09:25give us the actual real truth.
09:27We're going to need Tim McMahon and others to kind of really get inside of that.
09:31But, it felt like he's just like, there's just this Luka, there's this Luka scent in
09:38the air still, and I want it all gone.
09:40It's a full fumigate.
09:42Everyone has to leave the building.
09:43We got to fumigate this bad boy for 48 hours.
09:45Everyone's gone.
09:46See you later.
09:47I don't want any remnants.
09:48I don't want any leftover, any holdover from what happened.
09:51So, like I asked during crosstalk yesterday then, does that rule out the Vegas betting favorite?
09:58Sean Sweeney?
09:59Mm-hmm.
10:01What was Sean Sweeney's role?
10:02I think, publicly, there's not been a lot talked about.
10:04I think that what you hear coming out of there is that he was part of the contingent
10:09that was like, we're never going to win with this guy, get him the hell out of here.
10:12I don't think he was the one making the decision, but he was part of that contingent that was
10:15like, yeah, you know what?
10:16He doesn't do enough for us.
10:17That's a great question.
10:18That's a great question.
10:20There's one person that I know to ask that will have that answer, and I will do so in the
10:25commercial break.
10:26Gina Miller.
10:27One of them.
10:28Not Gina Miller.
10:29Gina giving all the yes to K&C.
10:30including new general manager Mike Schmitz today.
10:35What timing for the K&C masterpiece at 1020?
10:38Messiah, what about the timing of Jason Kidd's replacement with the draft coming up?
10:43We are going to do a comprehensive search, you know, like, and get the right person.
10:48Eddie, I don't know how long, sometimes you don't know how long that takes in this whole
10:54process, but yeah, the process starts, our mind starts working, you know, like, we build
11:01this system or way of how we want to figure out a list of prospects or candidates for this,
11:11and I don't think there is a timeline right now, you know, but it's something we really
11:17want to get done the right way.
11:20Do we have a major problem or major concern that if we go off the assumption that it's
11:29a wide open search, because Ujiri did want to stress multiple times, he has not spoken
11:34to anyone, he has not contacted anyone, that would have been disrespectful to Jason Kidd.
11:38How do we feel if they're like, look, we don't know who it's going to be, but we know Jason
11:42has to go?
11:43We worry about that versus saying, he's got four for 40 left on the deal, let him coach
11:48one more year until we absolutely have our person.
11:51If I believed that.
11:52If you believe it.
11:53Like, I believe he didn't, I believe he hasn't talked to anybody, like, it's a very technical
11:57thing.
11:57I believe he knows it's like, it's one of these three guys.
12:01Yeah, he's got guys in mind, I would think.
12:03Like, uh, which, I mean, you know, you have to assume that one of them is going to take
12:08it, somebody, somebody's going to want it.
12:12It's a valuable job.
12:13He didn't necessarily talk to somebody, but he could have talked to somebody who talked
12:16to somebody who told him something back.
12:19So you believe they have, they have their person?
12:21I believe they have a couple of people.
12:24Strong candidates.
12:25Yeah, the wide net may be like three people.
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