00:00And it only took two questions before we got to Luca and Masai Ujiri was asked, do you feel like
00:09there's still a healing process here in DFW when it comes to the trade?
00:15I want to be very respectful to everybody here. And yes, there's a healing process with that. Luca is a
00:26Hall of Famer, a future Hall of Famer. And that's the past. I always say in Africa, we say when
00:34kings go, kings come. And a king went. And we have a little prince here. Now we're going to turn
00:43into a king.
00:44Yeah, and I think we have to start thinking that way, like here. Understand what we've gone through. But I
00:53hope we can, you know, figure out how we reset as an organization with the fans, everybody in the community.
01:02And we start to think of it that way and start to think of how we move on, you know,
01:08from this and really think about what we have inside us. Come together and go win. Yes, there's no other
01:16way to do this than winning.
01:18So that was the answer to the question. I liked it. He had it ready to go. When kings go,
01:25kings come. We have a little prince here. And then there was another follow up later on that got right
01:31to the point. Would you have traded Luca Doncic?
01:35You know, I'm going to say it again. We have to respect. We have to respect everybody and everything that's
01:44happened here. He's a Hall of Fame player. He's gone. He will always be a Maverick.
01:49We'll celebrate him in the best possible way. Like we're going to celebrate all the Maverick players and stars that
01:57have been here. But we have to move. We really have to move on.
02:04You know, like it's not for me to start criticizing what anybody else is doing. It's for me to criticize
02:09what I am doing. Yeah. And worry about what I'm going to do.
02:14And if I continue hopping and hopping on that, then I think all of you are going to be asking
02:19me what I am doing. Yeah. I have to look to the future because winning is what we have to
02:25do here. And winning is a responsibility of mine.
02:30Bobby Belt goes on Twitter, and I believe this is called getting maybe ratioed. I'm not sure what the math
02:37is on that. Yeah. Yeah. Talk to me, Kool-Aid drinkers.
02:40It's just a bad answer. They want to they want to hear you say it was a complete mistake. And
02:46now we're trying to fix it. Summing things up with we can't cry forever continues to miss the point.
02:52Yep. And a lot of the responses there had said that, yes, let it go, Idina Menzel. A lot of
03:03the responses there had said 153 responses with 39 retweets and 181 likes. Is that ratioed?
03:11Technically not because there's more likes, but it's close enough. I always think that it should include retweets and replies,
03:18but other people have thrown in likes as being part of the ratio.
03:23So, again, people miss the point because they're like, he called him a Hall of Famer. What more do you
03:28want me to say? What more do you want him to say? I don't want him to say anything about
03:31Luka.
03:32I don't care if he like I really don't want you want him to say no comment. No, I don't
03:37want to hear him talk. Like, I don't I don't care. I like how he evaluates Luka.
03:41Like, is he a great player or not? That's not what I want to hear him say what he needs
03:46to say and what they should have prepped him on was exactly what we talked about, which is.
03:51I would have never done it. It was a mistake. And now I'm here to fix the mistake. And that's
03:55what I'm going to do. And we're going to move forward twice. Just refusing to acknowledge like, yeah, but was
04:01it a deal?
04:02You should make part of his business because it's not on his schedules. Jerry would say the same thing we
04:10said is like how you could have never known Nico was going to do it. How do you even know
04:13to ask the question?
04:14Well, OK, well, then that needs to be a limit to truly move on with a new era. Just say
04:18shouldn't have been done. Shouldn't have been done. And we should have cleaned up the mess.
04:22They did. And to say can't cry forever is an awful summation of it.
04:26When he said that, I was like, I wouldn't have said that. It's definitely going to read a lot worse
04:31than I think it sounded. Like, stop crying about it. You can't cry forever.
04:36That if I was Gina Miller, I would have been like, don't tell anyone to stop crying about it.
04:40That was Jason Kidd's answer. The answer he gave is the same thing Jason Kidd said at the end of
04:44the year that everybody was mad about.
04:45I think what you wrote in the email is what you just need to say. This is a Bobby Belt
04:50character problem and issue that once you make up your mind on someone, it's not making a U-turn.
04:59You are not going to alter. You are not going to be FAF. Once you decide, you're locked in and
05:07that wedge is planted deep into the earth. And say what you wrote.
05:13So, okay. All of it, including me saying how bluntly do you want me to say this? Because depending on
05:18how bluntly you want me to say it.
05:20I mean, there are Mavs fans who agree with you. Like, I was at a Saturday party and I talked
05:26to two guys who, one, they both gave up their Mavs season ticket packages.
05:34One came back after flag and one is like you and they're not getting over it.
05:39I'm going to read the exact entire paragraph I have here. So I said, Masai Ujiri was good for the
05:45most part.
05:45I still don't understand why they can't just take a whack when the ball is placed on the tee.
05:49They whacked the guy, by the way. That's supposed to be the part that allowed us to move on.
05:55They got rid of Nico.
05:56Why does he have to show respect for everyone who was involved in this?
05:59Because the guy to his right may not, may not, his new boss, Theory, may not want to be told
06:06what a stupid decision it was for the one billionth time.
06:09Then there's still cancer in the building. That's what that tells me.
06:12I said...
06:13DeMond has told fans. DeMond fired him, Bob.
06:15I know.
06:16You just want, you want to get over the argument?
06:20We all know you bet on baseball, Pete Rose. Just say it. You need to say it.
06:23Tell everybody you did it.
06:24Damn. They fired him, Bobby. They admitted it was a mistake that the guy shouldn't run the team anymore.
06:29They fired him for...
06:30Masai shouldn't be coming in. It's like getting in other people's pockets.
06:33I would not have advised him to come in and say, yeah, that was really stupid what they did.
06:38Why do you need to hear it? It's like you need...
06:40It's like in the relationship argument, you need to hear her say, like, 50,000 times, I was wrong.
06:46I'm so sorry. You're in the right.
06:48No, no, no, no. One time I need to hear you say it. Not 50,000. I need to hear
06:51it once.
06:53Masai wasn't here. Masai wasn't here, but that was an opportunity for them as an organization
07:02to state it as like, hey, here's how much he can divorce himself from this
07:05and reset the rest of the organization for the fans who have not come back.
07:08Patrick Jamal was asked, is this the final step in moving on from 77?
07:13In my mind, it's thinking about the future.
07:15I agree with all the remarks that Masai had about it.
07:18I really appreciate his perspective. It's one that I agree with.
07:21And I'm looking for Masai now to help lead us to the championship, to a championship,
07:26and also lead us to create a great team with great character, with the right focus.
07:31And that's really what I'm thinking about.
07:33I think you just want to beat the horse.
07:36If you have somebody...
07:37Beat the Maverick horse.
07:37No, but like, for instance, like, this would definitely be a thing for you, I feel like.
07:40If something that happened, if there was some egregious thing,
07:43and my actions said I apologize, but I never just flat out said...
07:48I'm sorry, just one time even, like, hey, by the way, I'm sorry about that.
07:52That was a mistake. That was wrong.
07:54Never once did it.
07:57And that was an opportunity to do it yesterday and divorce from it completely.
08:00Instead, it's the same answer from Kidd.
08:02From Dumont or Ujiri?
08:03I think Ujiri represented...
08:05Like, they coached Ujiri on that answer.
08:07That was not just his answer.
08:09That was the answer that was given to him by, I'm sure, a well-crafted public relations statement.
08:14Which clearly worked on a giant mass of people who now think,
08:18what more is he supposed to say?
08:20No, the organization is just supposed to say collectively once,
08:22this was wrong, and the best opportunity to do that is the new guy brought in who went,
08:26man, I'm so far removed from any of this, here's how you can know it's a new day,
08:29is because I never would have done that.
08:30But what I'm going to do now is I'm going to fix this,
08:32and I'm going to turn this into a title contender.
08:34What is the harm in saying that?
08:36How does that damage anything, other than just potentially Patrick Dumont's ego?
08:40And if that's the case, there's a problem.
08:42Because Patrick Dumont's ego should not be what we're, like,
08:46all stepping around when we're looking at how to go after it.
08:50I'm going to read the rest of your email.
08:52I was going to read it.
08:53I'll read it.
08:54I realized something important while listening to this presser,
08:57and you can tell me if you want me to say it this bluntly on the air,
09:01or if you want me to keep it to myself.
09:04I'm just not going to be able to forgive the Mavericks for what they did.
09:08That probably makes me the problem more than anything else,
09:11but I can't help that it's become the reality for me.
09:14I cannot bring myself to like the things that they do.
09:17I want to hate it now,
09:19at least until the organization is cleansed of everyone involved,
09:22or Luka returns.
09:25Yeah.
09:25So who else needs to be cleansed?
09:28You're moving the goalposts of, all right, Nico go.
09:31Jason?
09:32No, I've been for...
09:32If Jason goes, or does Dumont have to sell for you to be over it
09:37unless Luka comes back?
09:39Give me your conditions.
09:41So here's the thing.
09:43I had, like, Nico going was a big enough part for me.
09:47Like, I spent money with the Mavericks last year after Nico went,
09:50and I wasn't spending money with them before.
09:52So that's fine.
09:54They can shift on that, and I was fine with that.
09:57Yesterday seeing it, like, it tapped into something like,
10:00but you still can't say it.
10:01And so it makes me feel like, all right,
10:02then you guys just are not as cognizant of where you still need
10:07to repair things with people.
10:08Again, it's not about Luka.
10:09It's about your relationship to the fans
10:11and repairing what you damaged with the people who still haven't returned.
10:14And on that front, that's when I said, yeah,
10:16at that point, probably Dumont has to sell and Kidd has to be fired.
10:20What percentage of fans do you think still agree with you?
10:23Oh, in terms of, like, specifically holding out this hard?
10:26Yeah, are you in the minority of this?
10:28Yes, I think so.
10:29I mean, there's some people...
10:30So then your public relations advice to them doesn't apply to the majority.
10:35It applies for you and those in the minority that agree with you.
10:39Let's say this.
10:40If we lost 25% of our audience,
10:43or let's say we lost 100% of our audience,
10:44and 75% of them returned.
10:47Yep.
10:48And there was an opportunity to bring back even more of that 25%
10:53without costing any of the 75%.
10:56Why wouldn't you do it?
10:58It doesn't harm it.
10:58It's a one-time statement, and it's the...
11:00All right, for the final holdouts who have not been pleased with anything,
11:03here's the final olive branch.
11:05But then the follow-up is,
11:07would acknowledging and publicly stating what you're saying
11:12bring back the 25% or how much of them.
11:15I think it would bring back a significant chunk of them,
11:18because they'd say, oh, this is a totally new day then.
11:20That whole mindset that led to me leaving in the first place is gone now.
11:25I'm going to have to go look up the exact quotes.
11:27Maybe it went to the fan that he sat courtside with.
11:30I have the feeling that Patrick Dumont has showed contrition and regret since.
11:37Maybe it has not come out in the perfectly crafted statement
11:41that you're looking for.
11:42I understand that.
11:43I get it.
11:44But I do feel like, and I think a lot of it was with that fan interaction.
11:48I have to look up if anything happened after that publicly,
11:51that he knows it was a mistake,
11:54and he's trying to lay himself down in front of the Mavs fans.
11:59I don't think he knows it's a mistake for those reasons, though.
12:02I think he saw they were bleeding money,
12:04and he knew it was a business mistake in the end.
12:08Now you're theorizing.
12:09Right, and I have to, because he just won't say it.
12:11If he said it, I would know.
12:13He won't say it.
12:14Or nobody will say it from that organization.
12:17And I don't understand why saying one time,
12:22especially with a new administration coming in here,
12:25if you just said that was not the right way to do it,
12:29and it set us back, but guess what?
12:31It didn't set us back from being able to contend for a title
12:34because I'm going to get us there with these things that we're doing,
12:35and we move forward.
12:36Then you could have said it.
12:37But again, this is the same answer Kidd gave that everybody hated,
12:40of move forward.
12:41Let's focus on it.
12:42It's the same PR answer, and everybody said,
12:43no, no, no, you don't get to do that.
12:44Now all of a sudden it's a cool answer
12:46because everybody's high right now over hiring a guy
12:49who can't sign shooters for half a decade.
12:52Oh, God, here we go.
12:53Yeah, here we go.
12:54I think Chuck Cooper, Steve, I hope you're listening for 8 o'clock, Coop.
12:59I think the way it's said as well, Jason is pretty bad, in my opinion,
13:05at a lot of this PR and publicly speaking.
13:08Yeah.
13:09I think Ujiri, much better.
13:11Dumont's kind of forceful and blunt.
13:13That's why Gina, we need to have him in studio.
13:16Choppy hitting you up every other month.
13:18Get Patrick Dumont here in studio so we can help him.
13:21Please do.
13:21Help him, but Peyton, what are the Tolo's saying?
13:26How many are on Bobby's side with this of just not over it?
13:3010%.
13:30Yeah, Bobby nailed it.
13:31About 90-10 on the percent meter there against Bobby,
13:3590% being against Bobby.
13:36I saw it on Twitter, and guess what?
13:37I will save every single number, and I'll text you all back
13:41when you all are pissed off when they're below 500
13:43halfway through the season again because you're high right now.
13:45This is what you all do.
13:47This is how you process things.
13:48There still needs to be an acknowledgement that there's going to be
13:52no return.
13:55This is full remission from the cancer that destroyed this organization.
13:59That's what they need.
14:01And again, if they would have said what I'm talking about,
14:05wouldn't that have been the top thing you would have been talking about
14:07today if they would have said that?
14:09And that was the final nail in the coffin.
14:12I think it should, if it was going to come, it should have come from Dumont
14:16and not Ujiri.
14:18I don't think you need to put that on him to be commenting on previous moves
14:23that were made.
14:25And I would certainly not suggest to him, you know, insult in the boss
14:28or whoever else was in the building, including your head coach.
14:31PR should have done it then.
14:32Okay.
14:33PR should have recommended it to them and said, look,
14:35as much as you may not like this, this is the play.
14:36Because if Messiah comes in and Jason can't agree to it,
14:41we all believe, he signed off.
14:43So now you create this dynamic between the general manager
14:45and the head coach if he's retained.
14:47He's going to fire him anyway.
