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Shan and Bobby got into a heated debate following Masai Ujiri’s press conference. They focused on his handling of questions about the Luka trade and the tone he set moving forward. They broke down his “kings come and go” message and argued whether the organization is actually moving on or avoiding accountability.
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00:00And it only took two questions before we got to Luca and Masai Ujiri was asked, do you feel like
00:09there's still a healing process here in DFW when it comes to the trade?
00:15I want to be very respectful to everybody here. And yes, there's a healing process with that. Luca is a
00:26Hall of Famer, a future Hall of Famer. And that's the past. I always say in Africa, we say when
00:34kings go, kings come. And a king went. And we have a little prince here. Now we're going to turn
00:43into a king.
00:44Yeah, and I think we have to start thinking that way, like here. Understand what we've gone through. But I
00:53hope we can, you know, figure out how we reset as an organization with the fans, everybody in the community.
01:02And we start to think of it that way and start to think of how we move on, you know,
01:08from this and really think about what we have inside us. Come together and go win. Yes, there's no other
01:16way to do this than winning.
01:18So that was the answer to the question. I liked it. He had it ready to go. When kings go,
01:25kings come. We have a little prince here. And then there was another follow up later on that got right
01:31to the point. Would you have traded Luca Doncic?
01:35You know, I'm going to say it again. We have to respect. We have to respect everybody and everything that's
01:44happened here. He's a Hall of Fame player. He's gone. He will always be a Maverick.
01:49We'll celebrate him in the best possible way. Like we're going to celebrate all the Maverick players and stars that
01:57have been here. But we have to move. We really have to move on.
02:04You know, like it's not for me to start criticizing what anybody else is doing. It's for me to criticize
02:09what I am doing. Yeah. And worry about what I'm going to do.
02:14And if I continue hopping and hopping on that, then I think all of you are going to be asking
02:19me what I am doing. Yeah. I have to look to the future because winning is what we have to
02:25do here. And winning is a responsibility of mine.
02:30Bobby Belt goes on Twitter, and I believe this is called getting maybe ratioed. I'm not sure what the math
02:37is on that. Yeah. Yeah. Talk to me, Kool-Aid drinkers.
02:40It's just a bad answer. They want to they want to hear you say it was a complete mistake. And
02:46now we're trying to fix it. Summing things up with we can't cry forever continues to miss the point.
02:52Yep. And a lot of the responses there had said that, yes, let it go, Idina Menzel. A lot of
03:03the responses there had said 153 responses with 39 retweets and 181 likes. Is that ratioed?
03:11Technically not because there's more likes, but it's close enough. I always think that it should include retweets and replies,
03:18but other people have thrown in likes as being part of the ratio.
03:23So, again, people miss the point because they're like, he called him a Hall of Famer. What more do you
03:28want me to say? What more do you want him to say? I don't want him to say anything about
03:31Luka.
03:32I don't care if he like I really don't want you want him to say no comment. No, I don't
03:37want to hear him talk. Like, I don't I don't care. I like how he evaluates Luka.
03:41Like, is he a great player or not? That's not what I want to hear him say what he needs
03:46to say and what they should have prepped him on was exactly what we talked about, which is.
03:51I would have never done it. It was a mistake. And now I'm here to fix the mistake. And that's
03:55what I'm going to do. And we're going to move forward twice. Just refusing to acknowledge like, yeah, but was
04:01it a deal?
04:02You should make part of his business because it's not on his schedules. Jerry would say the same thing we
04:10said is like how you could have never known Nico was going to do it. How do you even know
04:13to ask the question?
04:14Well, OK, well, then that needs to be a limit to truly move on with a new era. Just say
04:18shouldn't have been done. Shouldn't have been done. And we should have cleaned up the mess.
04:22They did. And to say can't cry forever is an awful summation of it.
04:26When he said that, I was like, I wouldn't have said that. It's definitely going to read a lot worse
04:31than I think it sounded. Like, stop crying about it. You can't cry forever.
04:36That if I was Gina Miller, I would have been like, don't tell anyone to stop crying about it.
04:40That was Jason Kidd's answer. The answer he gave is the same thing Jason Kidd said at the end of
04:44the year that everybody was mad about.
04:45I think what you wrote in the email is what you just need to say. This is a Bobby Belt
04:50character problem and issue that once you make up your mind on someone, it's not making a U-turn.
04:59You are not going to alter. You are not going to be FAF. Once you decide, you're locked in and
05:07that wedge is planted deep into the earth. And say what you wrote.
05:13So, okay. All of it, including me saying how bluntly do you want me to say this? Because depending on
05:18how bluntly you want me to say it.
05:20I mean, there are Mavs fans who agree with you. Like, I was at a Saturday party and I talked
05:26to two guys who, one, they both gave up their Mavs season ticket packages.
05:34One came back after flag and one is like you and they're not getting over it.
05:39I'm going to read the exact entire paragraph I have here. So I said, Masai Ujiri was good for the
05:45most part.
05:45I still don't understand why they can't just take a whack when the ball is placed on the tee.
05:49They whacked the guy, by the way. That's supposed to be the part that allowed us to move on.
05:55They got rid of Nico.
05:56Why does he have to show respect for everyone who was involved in this?
05:59Because the guy to his right may not, may not, his new boss, Theory, may not want to be told
06:06what a stupid decision it was for the one billionth time.
06:09Then there's still cancer in the building. That's what that tells me.
06:12I said...
06:13DeMond has told fans. DeMond fired him, Bob.
06:15I know.
06:16You just want, you want to get over the argument?
06:20We all know you bet on baseball, Pete Rose. Just say it. You need to say it.
06:23Tell everybody you did it.
06:24Damn. They fired him, Bobby. They admitted it was a mistake that the guy shouldn't run the team anymore.
06:29They fired him for...
06:30Masai shouldn't be coming in. It's like getting in other people's pockets.
06:33I would not have advised him to come in and say, yeah, that was really stupid what they did.
06:38Why do you need to hear it? It's like you need...
06:40It's like in the relationship argument, you need to hear her say, like, 50,000 times, I was wrong.
06:46I'm so sorry. You're in the right.
06:48No, no, no, no. One time I need to hear you say it. Not 50,000. I need to hear
06:51it once.
06:53Masai wasn't here. Masai wasn't here, but that was an opportunity for them as an organization
07:02to state it as like, hey, here's how much he can divorce himself from this
07:05and reset the rest of the organization for the fans who have not come back.
07:08Patrick Jamal was asked, is this the final step in moving on from 77?
07:13In my mind, it's thinking about the future.
07:15I agree with all the remarks that Masai had about it.
07:18I really appreciate his perspective. It's one that I agree with.
07:21And I'm looking for Masai now to help lead us to the championship, to a championship,
07:26and also lead us to create a great team with great character, with the right focus.
07:31And that's really what I'm thinking about.
07:33I think you just want to beat the horse.
07:36If you have somebody...
07:37Beat the Maverick horse.
07:37No, but like, for instance, like, this would definitely be a thing for you, I feel like.
07:40If something that happened, if there was some egregious thing,
07:43and my actions said I apologize, but I never just flat out said...
07:48I'm sorry, just one time even, like, hey, by the way, I'm sorry about that.
07:52That was a mistake. That was wrong.
07:54Never once did it.
07:57And that was an opportunity to do it yesterday and divorce from it completely.
08:00Instead, it's the same answer from Kidd.
08:02From Dumont or Ujiri?
08:03I think Ujiri represented...
08:05Like, they coached Ujiri on that answer.
08:07That was not just his answer.
08:09That was the answer that was given to him by, I'm sure, a well-crafted public relations statement.
08:14Which clearly worked on a giant mass of people who now think,
08:18what more is he supposed to say?
08:20No, the organization is just supposed to say collectively once,
08:22this was wrong, and the best opportunity to do that is the new guy brought in who went,
08:26man, I'm so far removed from any of this, here's how you can know it's a new day,
08:29is because I never would have done that.
08:30But what I'm going to do now is I'm going to fix this,
08:32and I'm going to turn this into a title contender.
08:34What is the harm in saying that?
08:36How does that damage anything, other than just potentially Patrick Dumont's ego?
08:40And if that's the case, there's a problem.
08:42Because Patrick Dumont's ego should not be what we're, like,
08:46all stepping around when we're looking at how to go after it.
08:50I'm going to read the rest of your email.
08:52I was going to read it.
08:53I'll read it.
08:54I realized something important while listening to this presser,
08:57and you can tell me if you want me to say it this bluntly on the air,
09:01or if you want me to keep it to myself.
09:04I'm just not going to be able to forgive the Mavericks for what they did.
09:08That probably makes me the problem more than anything else,
09:11but I can't help that it's become the reality for me.
09:14I cannot bring myself to like the things that they do.
09:17I want to hate it now,
09:19at least until the organization is cleansed of everyone involved,
09:22or Luka returns.
09:25Yeah.
09:25So who else needs to be cleansed?
09:28You're moving the goalposts of, all right, Nico go.
09:31Jason?
09:32No, I've been for...
09:32If Jason goes, or does Dumont have to sell for you to be over it
09:37unless Luka comes back?
09:39Give me your conditions.
09:41So here's the thing.
09:43I had, like, Nico going was a big enough part for me.
09:47Like, I spent money with the Mavericks last year after Nico went,
09:50and I wasn't spending money with them before.
09:52So that's fine.
09:54They can shift on that, and I was fine with that.
09:57Yesterday seeing it, like, it tapped into something like,
10:00but you still can't say it.
10:01And so it makes me feel like, all right,
10:02then you guys just are not as cognizant of where you still need
10:07to repair things with people.
10:08Again, it's not about Luka.
10:09It's about your relationship to the fans
10:11and repairing what you damaged with the people who still haven't returned.
10:14And on that front, that's when I said, yeah,
10:16at that point, probably Dumont has to sell and Kidd has to be fired.
10:20What percentage of fans do you think still agree with you?
10:23Oh, in terms of, like, specifically holding out this hard?
10:26Yeah, are you in the minority of this?
10:28Yes, I think so.
10:29I mean, there's some people...
10:30So then your public relations advice to them doesn't apply to the majority.
10:35It applies for you and those in the minority that agree with you.
10:39Let's say this.
10:40If we lost 25% of our audience,
10:43or let's say we lost 100% of our audience,
10:44and 75% of them returned.
10:47Yep.
10:48And there was an opportunity to bring back even more of that 25%
10:53without costing any of the 75%.
10:56Why wouldn't you do it?
10:58It doesn't harm it.
10:58It's a one-time statement, and it's the...
11:00All right, for the final holdouts who have not been pleased with anything,
11:03here's the final olive branch.
11:05But then the follow-up is,
11:07would acknowledging and publicly stating what you're saying
11:12bring back the 25% or how much of them.
11:15I think it would bring back a significant chunk of them,
11:18because they'd say, oh, this is a totally new day then.
11:20That whole mindset that led to me leaving in the first place is gone now.
11:25I'm going to have to go look up the exact quotes.
11:27Maybe it went to the fan that he sat courtside with.
11:30I have the feeling that Patrick Dumont has showed contrition and regret since.
11:37Maybe it has not come out in the perfectly crafted statement
11:41that you're looking for.
11:42I understand that.
11:43I get it.
11:44But I do feel like, and I think a lot of it was with that fan interaction.
11:48I have to look up if anything happened after that publicly,
11:51that he knows it was a mistake,
11:54and he's trying to lay himself down in front of the Mavs fans.
11:59I don't think he knows it's a mistake for those reasons, though.
12:02I think he saw they were bleeding money,
12:04and he knew it was a business mistake in the end.
12:08Now you're theorizing.
12:09Right, and I have to, because he just won't say it.
12:11If he said it, I would know.
12:13He won't say it.
12:14Or nobody will say it from that organization.
12:17And I don't understand why saying one time,
12:22especially with a new administration coming in here,
12:25if you just said that was not the right way to do it,
12:29and it set us back, but guess what?
12:31It didn't set us back from being able to contend for a title
12:34because I'm going to get us there with these things that we're doing,
12:35and we move forward.
12:36Then you could have said it.
12:37But again, this is the same answer Kidd gave that everybody hated,
12:40of move forward.
12:41Let's focus on it.
12:42It's the same PR answer, and everybody said,
12:43no, no, no, you don't get to do that.
12:44Now all of a sudden it's a cool answer
12:46because everybody's high right now over hiring a guy
12:49who can't sign shooters for half a decade.
12:52Oh, God, here we go.
12:53Yeah, here we go.
12:54I think Chuck Cooper, Steve, I hope you're listening for 8 o'clock, Coop.
12:59I think the way it's said as well, Jason is pretty bad, in my opinion,
13:05at a lot of this PR and publicly speaking.
13:08Yeah.
13:09I think Ujiri, much better.
13:11Dumont's kind of forceful and blunt.
13:13That's why Gina, we need to have him in studio.
13:16Choppy hitting you up every other month.
13:18Get Patrick Dumont here in studio so we can help him.
13:21Please do.
13:21Help him, but Peyton, what are the Tolo's saying?
13:26How many are on Bobby's side with this of just not over it?
13:3010%.
13:30Yeah, Bobby nailed it.
13:31About 90-10 on the percent meter there against Bobby,
13:3590% being against Bobby.
13:36I saw it on Twitter, and guess what?
13:37I will save every single number, and I'll text you all back
13:41when you all are pissed off when they're below 500
13:43halfway through the season again because you're high right now.
13:45This is what you all do.
13:47This is how you process things.
13:48There still needs to be an acknowledgement that there's going to be
13:52no return.
13:55This is full remission from the cancer that destroyed this organization.
13:59That's what they need.
14:01And again, if they would have said what I'm talking about,
14:05wouldn't that have been the top thing you would have been talking about
14:07today if they would have said that?
14:09And that was the final nail in the coffin.
14:12I think it should, if it was going to come, it should have come from Dumont
14:16and not Ujiri.
14:18I don't think you need to put that on him to be commenting on previous moves
14:23that were made.
14:25And I would certainly not suggest to him, you know, insult in the boss
14:28or whoever else was in the building, including your head coach.
14:31PR should have done it then.
14:32Okay.
14:33PR should have recommended it to them and said, look,
14:35as much as you may not like this, this is the play.
14:36Because if Messiah comes in and Jason can't agree to it,
14:41we all believe, he signed off.
14:43So now you create this dynamic between the general manager
14:45and the head coach if he's retained.
14:47He's going to fire him anyway.
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