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The Proof Is Out There - Season 6 - Episode 08: Mexican Goblin, New Mexico Classic UFO, and Half-Human Half-Goat Mystery
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00:00Tonight on The Proof is Out There.
00:03What did one mayor of a small town capture?
00:06These creatures can kidnap children.
00:09You just don't want them around.
00:11Everyone agrees it's a classic 1960s photograph.
00:14But is it a UFO?
00:16What's depicted appears to be genuine.
00:18What's interesting about this photo is the directionality of light.
00:23What is this creature that showed up on a family farm?
00:26No one has ever seen anything like this.
00:28Perhaps this is a type of evolution.
00:31This haunted hotel inspired The Shining.
00:34Was one of its ghosts captured on camera?
00:37Guests have reported seeing the ghost of the chambermaid, the cold spots in the rooms.
00:44And is there an otherworldly explanation behind these spinning fish?
00:49Congressman Tim Burchett stated that he believes there are alien bases beneath our oceans.
01:00Around the globe are videos, photos, and sounds that defy explanation.
01:14We don't know where they come from, who made them, or how they operate.
01:18What are they?
01:19Some sort of bizarre mutation.
01:21What's exciting is nobody really knows.
01:23Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof.
01:28I'm Tony Harris, and as a journalist for more than 30 years, I've followed the facts where they take me.
01:34Now I'm bringing that spirit of investigation to the world's strangest sounds and images.
01:39It's coming towards us.
01:40We'll analyze each one with top experts.
01:43It's a credible case.
01:45It's a credible video.
01:46And pass a verdict on what it is.
01:49This video is clearly faked.
02:00Good evening and welcome to The Proof is Out There.
02:04Roswell, New Mexico, went down in UFO history in 1947 when the U.S. military allegedly recovered a flying saucer
02:12that crashed there.
02:13That case has been debated for decades.
02:15But did you know another flying saucer was caught on film 20 years later in the very same state?
02:24It's March 1967 in Las Cruces, New Mexico, about 150 miles as the crow flies from Roswell.
02:32An unnamed student from New Mexico State University is photographing land formations for his geology class when he spots something
02:40unusual about 500 yards away.
02:42He aims his 4x5 camera across the landscape and snaps this.
02:49The photo centers on a round, metallic object which appears to hover just above a low hill between two rock
02:56crads.
02:57To this day, the photo is revered as one of the classic snapshots of a flying saucer.
03:03In this case, rotated on its side.
03:06The United States had recently been a hotbed for UFO sightings.
03:10And for New Mexico, it all began with one history-making headline.
03:15RAFE, which stands for Roswell Army Airfield, captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region.
03:23And flying saucer sightings took the country by storm.
03:27Between 1947 and 1960, an estimated 6,500 sightings of UFOs were registered.
03:35Some were photographed, like this one in New Jersey in 1952, and this one over Germany in 1954.
03:42But most weren't.
03:44And it's possible a lot of sightings were just people being influenced by all the press.
03:49And then a funny thing happened.
03:51People mostly stopped seeing UFOs in the shape of flying saucers.
03:54By the 60s, oval-shaped UFOs began to be reported.
03:59And in the decades since, people have seen triangles, orbs, and even cigars.
04:04The diversification of UFO shapes has been increasing ever since.
04:09But why?
04:10Some people believe that the different types of UFOs are actually from different alien civilizations.
04:15That's what makes this photo, a flying saucer sighting years after flying saucers fell out of fashion, especially intriguing.
04:24This photo was taken in 1967, seven years after that big craze died.
04:29Which has some people wondering, could it be more credible because it was after all of the sightings and after
04:35the big UFO craze ended?
04:38With all these different UFO shapes, some have even suggested these are simply trends of alien spacecraft design,
04:46similar to the way our cars have changed style over the decades.
04:51But is this 1960s saucer the real deal?
04:55Our experts dish out some insight.
05:02Whenever we see a UFO photo this good, we first need to consider if it's too good to be true.
05:08What's interesting about this photo is the directionality of light.
05:12So, using one of our tools, we're able to kind of demonstrate the consistencies and inconsistencies in the shadows.
05:21The sunlight appears to strike the scene from the upper left, casting shadows to the lower right.
05:27So, we'd expect to find the UFO's shadow on the ground right about here.
05:33But we're not sure this is it.
05:36Some people have suggested that you can actually see the shadow of the object.
05:40But I'm familiar with the landscape in New Mexico, and these are just creosote bushes that grow everywhere in the
05:47desert.
05:47So, although what's depicted appears to be genuine in this digital version, the authenticity is considered inconclusive.
05:52Could that missing shadow indicate that the UFO is farther away, maybe something large, floating beyond this hill?
06:02It doesn't make sense when you look at this object, why it's got this fuzziness down here.
06:08And it looks very much like it's in the wrong focal plane.
06:13It looks like the focal plane is farther toward these rocks, which are in focus.
06:19And closer, objects are going to be a little out of focus.
06:22That means this UFO isn't something far away and large.
06:27It's something close and small.
06:29But what?
06:30Let's assume it was a thrown object.
06:32What was it?
06:34Well, that looks remarkably like a hubcap to me.
06:36And if so, that would be silver, which is consistent with the reflections off of this compared to reflections elsewhere.
06:45The issues with shadows have us leaning hard into hoax, but only thing is, our experts aren't sure how they
06:52did it.
06:53It's very difficult.
06:54Like, if you had a pie plate and you wanted to throw it in the air and get a good
06:58photograph of it, you're going to see more signs of a blur because of the movement that it's doing.
07:09Our verdict, unexplained hoax.
07:12Much like this alleged UFO, we are up in the air.
07:16It could be a thrown hubcap captured at just the right moment, or it could be the work of a
07:21pro.
07:22Either way, we doubt it's the real deal.
07:24So if you know anything about this photo that we haven't mentioned, please let us know.
07:31We investigate plenty of tall tales on this show, but with reported sightings of goblins, gremlins, and fairies, we have
07:40our fair share of little legends, too.
07:43Just take a look at this.
07:47March 2023.
07:49Huasca de Ocampo, Mexico.
07:52Just northwest of Mexico City, Mayor Francisco Flores calls a press conference.
07:57Standing alongside two men, he announces that these workers have made a stunning discovery in one of the warehouses in
08:04the town.
08:05This.
08:07It's a decomposed creature that appears to be about 10 to 12 inches in length, and its present condition suggests
08:14that it's been dead for some time.
08:16Take a closer look.
08:18This creature seems to have a humanoid-shaped head with two arms, two legs, a tail, and those ears.
08:27They almost look kind of pointed.
08:30What is this thing?
08:32The mayor publicly declares that this could be the fetus of a goblin-like creature from Latin American lore.
08:41A duende is a local legend.
08:44Duende translates in Spanish to something like dwarf or goblin.
08:48Usually described as small creatures, maybe a half a meter tall, with pointed ears, kind of human-like, but definitely
08:56not human in any sort of way.
08:58They're mischievous.
08:59They're going to play pranks on you.
09:01They can kidnap children.
09:03You just don't want them around.
09:05However, just like the mischievous gremlins and fairies of European lore, duendes can also be helpful to humans.
09:14One of the most famous duende stories happened in the Colombian rainforest when a plane crashed in 2023.
09:21Four children went missing, ranging in age from 11 months old to 13 years old.
09:27Authorities feared the worst, as the small children remained missing for 40 days inside a jungle filled with jaguars, snakes,
09:35and armed drug smugglers.
09:37They enlisted a local shaman who drank jaguars, and while he was in his hallucinogenic trance, he saw visions of
09:47a duende who negotiated for the return of the children.
09:51And within a few days, the children come out of the jungle, back to the village.
09:56How did they survive in the Colombian rainforest for a month?
10:00It makes sense this creature was found specifically in Huasca de Ocampo, as that town is officially recognized by the
10:08Mexican government for its rich tradition of supernatural entities.
10:12Could it be that goblins are lurking in the vicinity of this small Mexican town?
10:20Duendes seem to be popping up all over.
10:23Remember, in another episode, we investigated a supposed duende hanging out in a tree in Costa Rica.
10:29We determined that one was just a misidentified bird.
10:33But what about this one?
10:39Here's the problem.
10:41Even if we take legends of the duende literally, this specimen doesn't match up.
10:46They're described as being short, human-like creatures that have wide owl eyes.
10:53We don't see big owl eyes.
10:56And what catches my eye is this long tail.
10:59Humans do not have tails.
11:01We do have a sacrament of coccyx, which is our tailbone and thought to be the remnants of tails from
11:08our ancestors.
11:10But no human has a tail that long.
11:13In addition, we can look at the hands.
11:15Humans have fingers that separate.
11:18I think these look like paws more than they look like hands.
11:22And I don't see evidence of an opposable thumb.
11:25And as far as the arms themselves.
11:28The distinctive anatomy of that hind leg is in full concert with the anatomy of the upper extremity.
11:38So these are legs rather than arms.
11:41They provide support rather than manual dexterity.
11:44That's an important clue, along with the round, oversized head.
11:50Both humans and other animals are born with head sizes that are larger in proportion to the rest of the
11:56body.
11:56This is because the brain grows much quicker than the rest of the body.
12:02So this structure, to me, looks much more like what we would expect in an animal like a cat or
12:08a dog.
12:10This is almost certainly just a kitten that died, perished, and now was found after it was quite desiccated, dried
12:19out, and virtually mummified.
12:26Our verdict, this is most definitely the remains of an unfortunate kitten.
12:31It would seem there could have been some monetary motivation behind this misidentification.
12:36You see, this town is actually famous for a museum dedicated to duendes.
12:41That could explain why the mayor himself held a press conference over this little critter and even placed it on
12:47display in the museum.
12:51In movies like Close Encounters of the Third Kind or Independence Day, our first contact with aliens seems to be
12:59with scout craft that come to check us out and then report back to a larger mothership.
13:04Could that idea be based on reality?
13:09It's January 13th, 2024, in Charlotte, North Carolina.
13:14After an evening hike with her husband, artist Kate Vassour is returning home when something catches her eye in the
13:22night sky.
13:23I saw this orb kind of in the sky.
13:26It was just white.
13:27And it descended towards Earth.
13:30And as quickly as it came, it just shot back up and then went away.
13:34Then all of a sudden just saw all these lights and they were just kind of hovering there.
13:40Kate takes out her phone and captures this.
13:44Oh, my God, Peter.
13:46A bar of shimmering lights floats idly in the air behind some trees.
13:52Each light appears to be glowing in different colors and patterns.
13:55But the entire shape seems to gain speed as it moves across the sky.
14:01It was the weirdest thing.
14:02We just looked at each other and just couldn't believe what we had just seen.
14:06But as it turns out, Kate isn't the first in her area to experience such a sighting.
14:12In early 2021, residents reported seeing a string of lights in the sky.
14:17Many people posted their photos and videos, and a lot of them looked a lot like Kate's video.
14:23This photo shows one large light with other small ones.
14:28That's important because remember, before Kate took the main video we're talking about,
14:34she saw a smaller light shoot into the sky and disappear.
14:38What does it mean?
14:39All of this taken together kind of sounds like the typical UFO sighting of a mothership.
14:45This is a UFO form where there's kind of a base ship, and it will release or have other smaller
14:50craft that go away from it and then come back.
14:53If the whole idea sounds too much like science fiction, keep in mind that actual scientists are giving it serious
15:00thought.
15:01In 2023, Harvard astrophysicist Avi Loeb and former Pentagon physicist Sean Kirkpatrick co-authored a paper which reasoned that an
15:12artificial interstellar object could potentially be a parent craft that releases many small probes during its close passage to Earth.
15:20Is what we see in Charlotte some sort of dispatch point where motherships release and recapture their probes?
15:27There's no obvious explanation of what it is.
15:30So what are these lights, and why do they seemingly keep showing up in Charlotte?
15:39Here's a copy of that paper written by Avi Loeb and Sean Kirkpatrick.
15:44In it, they speculate that the mothership might send probes to Earth for the purpose of scientific exploration.
15:50So did Kate witness one of these motherships and its exploratory probe?
16:01First, we ask if this could be some kind of drone, like the late 2024 sightings that plagued New Jersey.
16:09You can see that it's making a slow movement, kind of like a straight line.
16:14Then you have it slowly making what appears to be a turn.
16:19It's actually angling up those lights as if it were banking.
16:23That's not how drones maneuver through the atmosphere.
16:27The object also appears to be moving steadily.
16:30No signs of instantaneous acceleration, like that made by famous UFOs like the 2004 Nimitz Tic Tac.
16:39This is making banking turns, moving slowly across the sky.
16:44We're not seeing a change in direction.
16:45We're not seeing instantaneous acceleration.
16:48We're not seeing anything of that nature.
16:50Then what are we seeing?
16:52The key clue may be not in the motion of the lights, but their color.
16:57If you notice as it flies through, once in a while you're going to see the red light showing through.
17:02You saw through the trees there, all right?
17:05There it is again.
17:05You see it there.
17:07What are those?
17:08Well, in the FAA mandated lighting manual for aircraft,
17:12the left side of your plane is going to have the red light on it,
17:14and the right side is going to have a green light.
17:16We also have a belly strobe in the bottom.
17:19Adding up the lights and how they are moving, it seems this is no mystery at all.
17:25This has all the appearance of being an aircraft coming in for an approach,
17:30making banking turns, moving slowly across the sky.
17:34It's that banking angle that makes the spacing of the lights look unfamiliar
17:38and therefore less easily identifiable as the shape of a commercial aircraft.
17:44The bottom line is, I think this is a plane on approach to Charlotte Airport.
17:53Our verdict?
17:54This is just a commercial airplane.
17:56But admittedly, there is still the mystery of the bright orb Kate says she witnessed
18:02before she started filming.
18:04We'll keep chasing down clues ourselves and let you know if we get any updates.
18:11Genetic mutations are crucial to the evolutionary process.
18:15They help species develop new traits and adapt to changing environments.
18:19But sometimes those mutations go wrong, horribly wrong.
18:24And when people start playing God, well, check this out.
18:30November 2018.
18:32It's a normal day on this small farm in Sultan Kudarat in the Philippines.
18:38Farm owner Josephine Rapique is preparing to help one of her livestock give birth,
18:43as she's done many times before.
18:45But when she performs a cesarean section on a goat pregnant with twins, she finds this.
18:51While one twin appears perfectly normal, the other is anything but.
18:57It's larger and more rotund, with pale skin and a waxy reflective sheen all over its body.
19:04The hairless animal even appears to have a navel, just like a tiny human.
19:09Take a closer look.
19:11Despite being birthed by a goat, its large puffy face and snout have both the media and online spectators
19:19calling this a strange hybrid that's half animal and half human.
19:25People come from all over the place to come look at this.
19:28What is the creature?
19:29No one has ever seen anything like this.
19:31And people come up with all sorts of far-fetched ideas as to what this thing could be.
19:37There are a number of states around the U.S. that have legends of a terrifying goat man.
19:42One in Maryland says that a local scientist transformed himself into a terrifying hybrid creature
19:47after a DNA experiment gone wrong.
19:54As far out as that probably is, there was a verified attempt to create a human-animal hybrid.
20:02In the 1920s, there actually was a Russian and Soviet biologist by the name of Ilya Ivanov.
20:09And he was quite a successful scientist, but he also became obsessed with something rather gross,
20:17which was he thought that there should be a human-ape hybrid.
20:21So he tried to inseminate chimpanzees and orangutans.
20:27Fortunately, none of these animals became pregnant.
20:30Today, scientists are experimenting with growing organs in animals that can be used for human organ transplants.
20:37And beyond the lab, there are some interspecies hybrids that have occurred naturally.
20:43There have been polar bear-grizzly hybrids called Pizzleys,
20:47and there's even a Zonkey, which is a zebra donkey.
20:51Is this just an accident? Is this just happenstance?
20:54I don't know, but we are seeing it more regularly in the natural world.
21:01The chimera was a legendary monster with the head of a lion, the tail of a snake, and the body
21:08of a goat.
21:08But chimera also refers to real-life organisms that contain two different sets of DNA.
21:14It can even happen in humans, potentially causing two different eye colors, two different skin tones,
21:20even two different blood types.
21:21But let's see what our experts think about this potential genetic anomaly.
21:31Is it possible that this creature is a half-human hybrid?
21:36Now, while this animal might look a little bit human in appearance,
21:39I think it's really important to note that humans cannot crossbreed with goats.
21:44It's just not genetically possible.
21:45Even though they're both mammals, there's a big genetic distance between them.
21:49But wait a minute. We know that it's possible for some species to interbreed.
21:54Wolves and dogs, lions and tigers, and horses and donkeys.
21:59Those species are already genetically really similar to each other.
22:04Humans and their closest relatives, like chimpanzees, share almost 99% of the same DNA.
22:11But even then, we could not crossbreed.
22:14Then could this be some type of genetic experiment gone awry?
22:18I highly doubt this is a genetic experiment.
22:22Genetic work conducted by scientists is typically conducted in a controlled lab setting.
22:28This is a Filipino farm.
22:30It's not where you would expect to see genetic experimentation.
22:35Then the question remains, what exactly are we looking at here?
22:39To me, this appears to be some sort of weird birth defect.
22:44It has siblings right next to it that came out unaffected, whereas that one, something is obviously very off.
22:52It's really bizarre looking.
22:54Even in my years of experience, I've never seen anything that looks like this.
23:02Our verdict, we agree with our experts that this is neither the work of bad science nor the devil,
23:08just some sort of birth defect that we can't identify.
23:11And as far as we can tell, recent sightings of the Maryland goat man have been few and far between.
23:17But folks still think he's out there somewhere.
23:23The Stanley Hotel in Colorado is known for inspiring the Overlook Hotel in Stephen King's classic novel, The Shining.
23:31And for good reason.
23:32Ghost encounters have been reported there for decades.
23:35Everything from shadowy figures and disembodied voices to what was captured in the photo you're about to see.
23:43November 21st, 2009, Estes Park, Colorado.
23:48Chrissy Head is staying at the Stanley Hotel for a wedding.
23:52While taking a hotel tour, she passes a friend sitting in a hallway and stops to take a picture.
24:00On a first look, there's nothing out of the ordinary here.
24:04Chrissy's friend is sitting on the left.
24:06But just take a look to the right.
24:10Behind the woman walking toward the camera is the spectral outline of another woman, seemingly turning the corner.
24:18You can see what looks to be a face, hair, and an arm.
24:23She also appears to be wearing a long dress.
24:26But the thing is, during an interview with a paranormal investigator, Chrissy says that ghostly woman was not there.
24:34I don't remember anybody else coming around the corner.
24:37But it's really clear to me.
24:39I see the outline of a woman's body.
24:41And I think I noticed it when we were going back through photos later that night on my camera.
24:50That ghostly female figure is just the latest potentially paranormal encounter in the long and eerie history of the Stanley
24:59Hotel.
24:59Since its opening in 1909, multiple guests have reported ghostly phenomena, such as cold spots in the rooms, a feeling
25:10like they get poked or shoved by some sort of unseen figure.
25:15But the hotel's most well-known paranormal story involved perhaps its most famous guest, Stephen King.
25:23When Stephen King and his wife Tabitha stayed at the Stanley, the hotel was being closed up for the winter
25:29season.
25:30They were the only guests that night in the dining room.
25:34And if that weren't creepy enough, Stephen had a nightmare that night in room 217, which involved a fire hose
25:42that was coiled up in the corridor outside his room, uncoiling itself and chasing after his five-year-old son.
25:50Events that you'll see in The Shining.
25:54King's Nightmare was not the only paranormal event to take place in room 217.
26:00Residents and guests have reported seeing the ghost of Elizabeth Wilson, the chambermaid who was blown from the second to
26:11the first floor by an explosion in that room in 1911.
26:20Ghost hunters try to detect spirits with an EMF meter.
26:25It measures fluctuations in the surrounding electromagnetic field.
26:29The theory being that spirits might be made from electromagnetic energy or interact with these fields in some way.
26:37But can a ghost be captured in photographs?
26:40Let's see what our experts say.
26:47First, how can we explain our mystery figure in the hallway?
26:52For one thing, we can take a closer look.
26:56There's a number of other things going on in this image.
26:58We see in the background, these lights are all kind of blurred and they're stretched out.
27:03And this mirror, which is stretched out in this direction.
27:05So everything is smeared in that direction, probably because of motion of the camera, because it's flashed plus a slightly
27:11longer exposure.
27:12In other words, objects in the foreground that are closer to the camera's flash, like Chrissy's friend, appear sharp.
27:20But objects farther away from the flash, like this woman walking toward the camera, get blurred, especially if the camera
27:28moved.
27:28We see here this woman's head has a shadow behind it, kind of a dark shadow, kind of also stretched
27:34out in that direction.
27:35Which makes you think that, is this perhaps an actual dress?
27:40Or could it be just kind of the shadow of her sweatshirt here?
27:45And if we look down here, her leg actually kind of matches with her hand here on the edge of
27:51her shorts here.
27:52So is this actually a ghostly leg, or is this just a little bit of a camera artifact from the
27:58motion of the camera and her hand?
27:59The most likely thing to me is that it's just an artifact of the camera, and it just happens to
28:06look like a person.
28:08There's another issue with the ghost theory.
28:11Chrissy said she didn't see it when she took the photo in the hall.
28:14That suggests the apparition is invisible.
28:17So how could any camera capture it on film?
28:20If an object is truly transparent, you can't actually photograph it.
28:26You need light to bounce off of it and enter the device you're using to capture an image of that.
28:33There's just too much blurriness in this photo due to a lack of focus, due to motion,
28:40either of the individuals being photographed, the camera itself, or both.
28:45I think that all of these much more mundane explanations make it so that we don't need to jump to
28:53any paranormal explanation here.
29:01Our verdict, camera distortion.
29:03We agree with Mick West.
29:05No ghosts here.
29:06Just a person distorted by motion, distance, and the lighting.
29:10But if anyone out there is planning a stay at the Stanley anytime soon, a word of advice.
29:15If you scare easy, avoid room 217.
29:21The line between legend and history often gets blurred over time.
29:27Stories get embellished.
29:29Documentation gets lost.
29:30But sometimes researchers make a find that proves a myth might be real.
29:35And in this case, the proof was found at the bottom of a well.
29:411938, Sveresborg Castle in central Norway.
29:45A team of archaeologists is excavating a well on the grounds of this 12th century landmark, the first medieval castle
29:52in Norway.
29:53Digging down through layers of stone, they're more than 20 feet underground when they suddenly find this.
29:59A partial skeleton is embedded in the mud.
30:03A closer look reveals a torso and spine, with most of the ribcage still visible, along with one of the
30:10hip bones.
30:11But before any serious study can be done, World War II interrupts.
30:17Nearly 80 years later, a new excavation turns up more bones, including a left hand and a skull.
30:25We could see on the skull that there is a heavy trauma on the back right side.
30:31It was fresh when he fell or was thrown into the well.
30:36But we can't say for certain what actually killed him.
30:40Now, this story takes a really cool twist.
30:42Because in this case, what science can't answer, local legend can.
30:47Almost immediately, they connect these bones with a story from a book called Sveres Saga, which is about King Sveri
30:58in Norway from the 12th century.
31:01It discusses all of his wars, his battles, his heroic speeches.
31:07Among the tales from this text is a rival clan's siege on the Sveresborg Castle in the year 1197.
31:15There's one line in the saga where it says they took a guy who was already dead and threw him
31:23in the well and covered him with rocks.
31:26Some people don't buy that he was already dead.
31:29An even weirder theory is that something in the well killed him.
31:33A troll called a brond man said to live in wells.
31:38The brond man often carries a crook.
31:40So if a child, or maybe even an adult, is leaning too far over the well, they'll take the crook
31:48and pull them into the well so that they die.
31:51Legends are generally based upon the fears of the populace.
31:55And there are cases where, you know, people fall into wells and die.
32:00So could this be proof that the legends were true?
32:06This would not be the first medieval legend to have a shred of truth.
32:10Some claim that Merlin, the famous wizard of Arthurian legend, is based in part on the medieval Welsh poet and
32:18prophet Merthen the Wild.
32:20Could our well man legend also be based in reality?
32:24Let's ask our experts.
32:30First, could our well man have been a victim of the well-dwelling monster known as the brond man?
32:36The issue there is that if the brond man had really existed, it would have made life almost unlivable for
32:43everybody.
32:43If you do not have a pure water source, it would be extremely difficult in these times.
32:51You're not going to survive because everything depends on it.
32:53Your crops, your animals, the people.
32:56So I think the broad man is more or less used to, like, scare children from hanging around wells.
33:04So could our well man be the dead body mentioned in the Spheris saga?
33:08The skeleton does come from about 900 years ago, just when that saga was written.
33:14And we've done DNA studies on the skeleton, which do show that this person was of Danish descent with blonde
33:23hair, blue eyes.
33:25The DNA shows that he was part of the invading force who came from another area some distance away.
33:33In other words, the forensic findings confirm the line from the Spheris saga about a man from a rival clan
33:41being tossed into a well during the siege on King Spheris' castle.
33:45But why would anybody do this?
33:47According to the text of the Spheris saga, it was a grisly but effective war tactic.
33:53And the evidence matches.
33:54If this was a person who already died, throwing a body down in the well would definitely pollute that water
34:03and get the people who were using it sick.
34:06And eventually, they could invade the keep.
34:09That's certainly a cold and mercenary hypothesis, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
34:20Our verdict, true story.
34:22The well man is no myth.
34:24The forensic examination backs up the story that's told in the Spheris saga.
34:30On this show, we often ask whether the folklore of ancient or so-called primitive cultures might be real.
34:36In this case, the answer is yes.
34:42Fish tend to be quiet creatures, but they do communicate in their own way.
34:48Using specific movements, they say things to other fish like, this is my coral, or follow me to food.
34:55But lately, some fish off the coast of Florida have been moving very strangely.
35:00What are they trying to say?
35:04It's October 6, 2023 in the Florida Keys.
35:08Greg Furstenworth is out for a night dive when he sees something peculiar in the water.
35:15A distressed pinfish is spinning over and over in upside-down circles.
35:22I just know that I was recording something odd at the time, and then I decided to ask people around
35:27me if they had ever seen the behavior before.
35:29But nobody had any answers.
35:32On subsequent dives, Greg observes the same behavior again and again.
35:37I was noticing in a vast array of species, my wife and I recorded 78 species that were impacted.
35:43Oh, no.
35:45From pinfish to mangrove snappers to goliath groupers.
35:49These fish aren't just spinning for fun.
35:51They're spinning until it kills them.
35:53Look at that.
35:54That's a baby goliath.
35:55That one took about two and a half hours to die in front of me.
35:59And that's a protected species, which really set me to this is a serious problem.
36:05Greg and his observations make national news, drawing attention to the deepening marine mystery.
36:11Probably of greatest concern is the small-tooth sawfish.
36:16It's very endangered.
36:17And sure enough, just a month after this video was taken, marine biologists identified over 20 of the small-tooth
36:24sawfish had been inflicted by whatever's going on here.
36:27What's causing all this?
36:29Some wonder if it could involve some aquatic alien activity.
36:33In January 2025, Congressman Tim Burchett actually said that he believes there are alien bases beneath our oceans.
36:43As ridiculous and improbable as that may sound, we as humans have actually been working on creating underwater bases.
36:51Currently, we have the Aquarius Reef Base, which as a scientist, I absolutely love.
36:56This was established to host researchers to conduct experiments.
37:00And researchers there are referred to as aquanauts.
37:04If aliens are also operating underwater, what does that mean for the animals living there?
37:11People are suggesting that perhaps frequencies or other more sinister things might be affecting fish in the estuaries.
37:18Fish have something called a lateral line, so they can feel vibrations.
37:23The lateral line is actually what enables fish to school together, because one slight change in one fish is felt
37:29on their side by all the other fish in the school, and they can navigate accordingly.
37:34That means fish are very much more sensitive to vibrations in their environment.
37:41We also know that human craft can harm sea life.
37:45For decades, research studies have suggested a link between Navy sonar and whale beachings.
37:51Could something like that be what we're looking at here?
37:54Let's ask the experts.
37:59The spinning fish phenomenon is certainly strange, but is it underwater, alien-based strange?
38:06The Florida Keys are a really populated area, and I would expect if there were something incredibly strange harming animals,
38:14we would also see it in things like manatees, birds, and even reptiles.
38:20This phenomenon, whatever it is, seems to be directly linked to fish.
38:25And we can rule out sonar for a similar reason.
38:29We would see dozens, if not hundreds, of animals on the surface of the water.
38:34For example, in September of 2002, there was a mass stranding of beaked whales in the Canary Islands, and this
38:41was directly tied to sonar activities.
38:44Instead, this may tie back to a major marine heat wave that hit the Florida Keys in summer 2023.
38:52In the tidal zone along these areas, water got to above 100 degrees, which is equivalent to a hot tub.
39:00And these warm temps can make things like pathogens and parasites and bacteria and viruses reproduce even more quickly.
39:09Scientists determined there is a higher concentration of dinoflagellates in the water.
39:18This species is a single-sealed organism that normally lives on the bottom of the ocean, but warmer temperatures have
39:27caused it to go higher up in the water column, and these can produce neurotoxins.
39:32That was the consensus, but then something happened.
39:36The behavior recurred, this time in places without high levels of dinoflagellates.
39:42The reality is there's a lot going on that we don't totally understand.
39:48And the only way we're going to be able to 100% define what's going on here is through molecular
39:54sequencing and diagnostics of both the fish and whatever is affecting it.
40:04Our verdict, unexplained.
40:06We think toxins can affect fish behavior, but the more recent reports of spinning fish make us question their role
40:14here.
40:15Meanwhile, a 2004 ban on military sonar surrounding the Canary Islands led to a major reduction in whale beachings there.
40:23Let that be a lesson to all of us.
40:26That's our show for tonight.
40:27Thank you so much for watching.
40:29And as always, keep those cameras rolling.
40:34We'll be right back.
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