Una donna di 42 anni Claudia Ornesi e la figlia di 2, Lidia, vengono trovate morte avvelenate dal gas in casa. Apparentemente un classico caso di omicidio/suicidio ma la lunga e complessa indagine svela che in realtà si è trattato di un terribile delitto maturato in ambito familiare. Il femminicidio di Claudia Ornesi e Livia Ornesi. Le indagini portano Secondo gli investigatori, il compagno di Laura, Maurizio Iori, aveva ideato un piano di morte diabolico per liberarsi dell'amante e della figlia non voluta.
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00:15Claudia Ornesi is a 42 year old woman, she is strong, beautiful, determined, a single mother
00:23who is raising her two-year-old daughter, Livia, with extreme dedication.
00:33Every morning Claudia goes to work, every morning her father Gian Stefano takes over from her and
00:39He goes to look after his granddaughter for a few hours, but when he enters he finds a terrible scene before him.
00:49The lifeless bodies of his daughter Claudia lie separated from each other in the bed and in the cot.
00:55and his granddaughter Livia. Gian Stefano Ornesi is so shocked that he can't even
01:05to use the phone to call for help. It was the neighbor who called the emergency services.
01:11operational to then activate the rescue. The neighbor told the father to open the windows, open everything
01:19how much to let the gas out.
01:40Welcome to Detective, the RAI program created in collaboration with the Police
01:46State, where we tell the story of solved and unsolved crimes. Tonight's is a thriller.
01:52worthy of Lieutenant Colombo, where nothing is as it seems. We are in Crema and we have seen that they are coming
01:59A woman and a two-year-old girl were found dead. The woman's father, poor Gian Stefano, was found dead.
02:05Ornesi is so upset that he can't even use the phone, but he turns to his neighbor
02:11downstairs, who immediately calls 118. They go to the house on Via Dogali
02:18the medical car, the firefighters, and the police. The doctor is the first to arrive.
02:24of 118.
02:27Dad led us to the apartment door, but didn't come in with us.
02:32and we immediately went into the room, where Mrs. Ornesi was lying in the
02:43bed, in the double bed, but without vital signs. We immediately realized that she was not
02:49there was room for resuscitation maneuvers, because there were evident signs of biological death.
02:54It had definitely been a few hours. We could smell gas, in fact, and we noticed
03:02four canisters, the camp stoves. I turned around and there was this little bed off to the side.
03:12where the little girl was. The instinct, however, was to start with resuscitation.
03:29anyway, even though we soon realized that there were signs of biological death
03:35obvious. I went towards the kitchen, they had reported to me some blister packs of drugs almost
03:42completely empty and I noticed that there were ten blisters of this drug, Alprazio,
03:48Amloxanac, where 95 tablets were missing.
03:57A mother and her daughter, a two-year-old girl, died in their beds. 95 pills.
04:06of a powerful sleeping pill and then a strong smell of gas. But what happened in that house and what
04:14These are the first hypotheses? The mother had killed the two-year-old girl, her daughter, and then she had
04:25took his life using four gas canisters, like those used
04:34Camping? It was a death report from carbon monoxide poisoning.
04:47and probable drug ingestion.
04:55Daniel Segre, you were in charge of the Crema police station at the time. What do you remember about that day?
05:03I remember I was on vacation, I received a phone call from one of my inspectors who was on site of one
05:09strange murder-suicide. This thing immediately seemed a bit strange to us because
05:14that a woman who had committed such an extreme act would not have wanted to hold the
05:19daughter in a last embrace. Another detail that immediately caught our attention is
05:24state that there were blister packs of drugs on the kitchen table that were arranged in a
05:30aligned, almost maniacal, as if they were toy soldiers. As my first idea, I had that
05:36to try to understand where these drugs were purchased, so I asked to check
05:41the batch number, but the inspector told me that all the labels had been removed
05:46of the blisters. This obviously seemed particularly strange to us. What was the reason for a
05:51woman to make all traces disappear before committing such an extreme act?
05:56But is there anything else that catches your attention?
06:00Yes, they immediately told me that the cover of the control counter had been removed.
06:06current, as if there was a fear of causing damage to the house with the explosion
06:12of the gas and this also seemed very strange to us. I then asked to try
06:17to see if there were medicine boxes in the garbage, always to trace
06:22eight of their production and in this case not even the
06:27garbage. The question was still the same, what was the need to throw away too?
06:31the garbage before committing such an extreme act?
06:35And what does this particular thing make you think?
06:38But this scene is strange, it makes us think of a staging, it is a constructed scene.
06:42At this point we ask ourselves, but who is this mother, who is this woman, who is Claudia Ornesi?
06:59Her friends and colleagues remember her as a person with a very important vital energy,
07:08in love with life and her daughter's life. And a friend of Claudia's remembered
07:17who confronted each other precisely on the hypothesis of a suicide, commenting on the dramatic choice
07:22of an acquaintance of this friend. And Claudia expressed herself in a very radical way, believing
07:29it is unimaginable to put an end to a life that we had not given ourselves and that had been given as a gift.
07:36This was also the result of Claudia's deep-rooted and practiced religiosity.
07:44All these data were also confirmed by the priest who baptized Livia,
07:49a doctor who had known her for 30 years, ruled out any type of depression.
07:58But if, as the lawyer claims, it is not a murder-suicide, this means
08:05that there is a murderer. So, Dr. Segre, if there was a third person, this third
08:12person, the murderer, should have left traces in the house and also on objects,
08:20and there are many who appear on the scene.
08:24And in fact here the first twist appears.
08:28What is this?
08:29This is a gas cylinder, it's the one that gets connected to the stove.
08:36These are not exactly the models.
08:37To do this operation, I believe, you have to touch, disassemble.
08:40Necessarily. Both the gas cylinder and the stove.
08:43No trace.
08:44No trace, no footprint.
08:45It must have practically been the mother's fingerprint.
08:50In the case of suicide, yes, there should certainly have been fingerprints, at least
08:54of the mother, both on the gas cylinder and on the stove.
08:58So, it is precisely from this first information that the idea begins to take shape that the
09:03mother and her daughter may have been killed and someone else may have intentionally
09:10all fingerprints were erased. As the forensic police themselves confirmed.
09:19Among the results obtained, the most notable was the absence. The absence of biological traces.
09:27relevant and latent fingerprints.
09:33We did not find any biological traces of interest on the blisters.
09:36This absence of biological traces above all immediately appeared to be in strong contradiction
09:46with the hypothesis of a murder-suicide. Because what suicide would think about erasing
09:52traces on an object?
10:00I order that an investigation be carried out, a scientific experiment.
10:12To verify whether the absence of traces could have a justification other than the fact
10:21that they had been cancelled.
10:26Since the gas released from the cylinders expanded, causing a drop in temperature
10:33of the gas, condensation dripping down the wall of the cylinders could potentially erase
10:40fingerprints and DNA. Despite condensation and dripping, both biological traces
10:48that the footprints remained. And at this point it is evident that the absence of biological traces
10:54and fingerprints on the cans are due to a mechanical cleaning action on them.
11:02But perhaps it is precisely by erasing every kind of trace that the murderer signs this double
11:09crime. What do you think this potential killer's plan would be?
11:17The plan, yes, it seemed exactly that if it was a murder because it still wasn't
11:22we were sure that it was a simulation of the perfect murder, therefore of a suicide, murder
11:27of a desperate mother. We decide to delve deeper, so we try to work with what
11:33we have. We focus on the gas canisters, hoping they can tell us something
11:37What.
11:38What are you doing? What's this trail? Where is it taking you?
11:41I asked to check if the barcodes were still there on the cylinders and in fact
11:46They were present because they are stamped on the spray cans. There were also some on the stoves
11:51of the serial numbers. We discovered that from the barcode it was possible to trace a batch
11:57of production, they were codes that actually led to a progressive numbering. Therefore
12:02we tried to trace the manufacturer, from the manufacturer to the importer, to the distributor
12:07and finally to the retailers. And so we tried to find these cans by going
12:13shop by shop and hoping that the receipt could tell us something.
12:19The goal is to reach the buyer.
12:26For almost two months we went door to door to all the large retailers.
12:33It was painstaking, long, and tiring work. We're identifying an area in eastern Milan.
12:45where several shopping centers are located. We manage to locate refillables at Carrefour
12:54six canisters all from the same batch found and seized inside the chamber
13:01Claudio Ornesi. From there, we still had to trace the buyer.
13:10However, through accounting analysis we were able to trace the sale of
13:16four camping canisters sold in a single lot on the same receipt on the 16th
13:23July 2011.
13:29In short, five days before the double death of Claudio and his daughter someone had purchased
13:37Those four camping canisters, to be exact. And this is the receipt to prove it.
13:46What else does this receipt tell you?
13:49In particular, a backpack was purchased in addition to the four canisters, a drink
13:53grapefruit flavored, cranberry juice, an ice cream scoop, a mortar and pestle. What
13:59strange because it had no coherent logic with these other purchases of candle holders.
14:06Can you reach the buyer? Maybe they used a credit card?
14:12This was our hope but unfortunately he paid in cash. So we decided to
14:18make a last resort attempt by trying to hear from the cashier if by chance she remembered who
14:23had made those purchases.
14:25But did this cashier who meets so many people remember anything?
14:30Not at first, she says obviously passing thousands of customers, but then her eye fell
14:35right on those candle holders. And he remembers that there had been an altercation with a particular customer
14:41because he had asked for a discount on these candle holders which instead had not been applied
14:47at the checkout.
14:47Can you make an identikit?
14:49Broadly speaking, yes. He is described as a well-dressed person, 1.70-1.75 m tall, with a balding hairline,
14:58who spoke without any dialectal inflection. Using the same technique we followed the numbers
15:03of the stove's serial number. We tracked down the dealer. We then found another
15:08shopping center where three stoves were purchased.
15:12So you got a second receipt?
15:14So we come to a second receipt.
15:18So we have this second receipt and where does it take you?
15:25Unfortunately not far away because in this case too the purchase was made in cash.
15:29We have a first receipt, a second receipt, but we need to look for a third one because the stoves
15:37I bought three at that supermarket. A fourth burner is missing. So what?
15:45At this point we also find the receipt for the fourth stove that was purchased
15:50in the same shopping center. It was sold at 12:52 on July 19, so three days ago
15:57after the first purchases and a day before the murder of Claudio Ornesi. In this case too we are
16:02always arrived following the serial number of the stoves.
16:06What else is bought in this supermarket?
16:09So, in addition to the fourth burner, some exotic sauces were purchased, some others
16:16grapefruit and blueberry flavored drinks, garbage bags, and double-sided tape.
16:22From what I understand, they must be objects that are meant to kill the
16:29mother and daughter.
16:30It's hard to say because in addition to some inconsistencies that we found during the course
16:34There was this feeling during the investigations that accompanied us the whole time.
16:38What does the autopsy say?
16:41The autopsy says that Claudia and Livia died from asphyxiation from inhaling propane and butane
16:46after having probably been stunned with Oxanax. It seemed strange to us that
16:53four camping canisters so small, because they are not cooking gas canisters,
16:59could have saturate the environment. And so we asked, and it was then asked
17:03to the fire brigade's fire investigative unit to carry out an experiment to verify
17:08gas saturation in a closed environment.
17:22The fire investigative unit, in order to demonstrate that the gas contained inside
17:27of the canisters was not sufficient to determine the asphyxiation of the victims, he carried out a test
17:34in a closed, confined, scaled-down environment.
17:39The gas content was also dispersed in the test in a small scale environment
17:45it is not sufficient to determine the death of the victims by asphyxiation.
17:54This information, Dr. Segre, confirms the lead you are working on.
18:03It seemed strange to us that they could have died from gas dispersion in such an environment.
18:08large and this has led us increasingly to believe that there was the work of a third party,
18:13so there was premeditation on the part of a third person who was reasonably that
18:20who had purchased the goods found in the receipts.
18:24The drinks are always purchased in the same flavors: lime, grapefruit, and blueberry.
18:32What can you understand from this selection of flavors?
18:38Our hypothesis was that these rather strong-tasting drinks could serve
18:43to mask the oxanas flavor and aftertaste, which actually tastes like grapefruit.
18:49And the plastic bags? What were they supposed to be used for?
18:53We hypothesized that the bags were used to reproduce a smaller environment,
18:58so that this murderer used them, if it was a murder,
19:03to enclose the mother and child's heads in a bag with the gas cylinder and the open stove
19:10so as to saturate a much smaller volume of air.
19:13The double-sided tape was clearly used for sealing.
19:17Subsequently, after having first stunned them with Oxanax and then killed them with the use of gas,
19:24he removed the bags, of which there was no trace because the garbage had been taken away,
19:29and arranged the cylinders in the room to create the scene.
19:33So we are dealing with a murderer who necessarily had to know Claudia and her daughter.
19:46In this case, at this juncture, no signs of forced entry were found,
19:50so evidently the murderer, if it was a murder, had the keys to the house
19:56or in any case he knew Claudia very well, enough to let her open the door undisturbed.
20:02Who do you suspect?
20:03At first we don't suspect anyone yet, but we definitely have to look in a familiar environment,
20:11so either friends, acquaintances or relatives.
20:14Usually, that's where people go to look for potential killers.
20:18Here, Dr. Segre, we have a woman and a little girl.
20:21This woman, I believe, lived alone with this little girl in this apartment.
20:28But was there a father, a husband, a boyfriend, a partner? Who was there?
20:34So, hearing the relatives, we learn that Livia's father is called Maurizio Iori,
20:44he is a doctor, a chief ophthalmologist.
20:46So a prominent person, an important person?
20:51Yes, he was certainly a prominent person, a highly esteemed and well-known professional in his career.
20:56What kind of relationships do you discover? What emerges?
21:01So, a rather complex situation emerges, I must say the truth,
21:04because it turns out that Maurizio Iori came from a previous separation,
21:09which ended in 2007, with a woman with whom he had two children.
21:14Soon after, or at the same time, he met Claudia, who was one of his patients,
21:21who then starts dating another woman, and they both get pregnant.
21:26Both Claudia and this other woman, whom he later marries,
21:29he asks Claudia not to bring their daughter into the world.
21:33But Claudia absolutely, because of her very strong religious beliefs,
21:37had categorically ruled out an abortion,
21:41and then decides to have a child.
21:42At the beginning a discussion arises, let's say, with the intervention of the lawyers too,
21:50because in the first moments Maurizio Iori did not want to recognize his daughter.
21:55After the lawyer's intervention he decides at this point to give her his surname,
22:00he recognizes her, and also recognizes a monthly allowance for Claudia of 400 euros,
22:05and gives her the availability of this apartment.
22:07In short, an esteemed professional, but he gives double or triple his life.
22:14Exactly, yes.
22:15At this point I think that Maurizio Iori, you invite him to your police station in Crema, right?
22:24At first, we hadn't officially opened a murder investigation yet,
22:30so we immediately felt him as the father of the child,
22:33in the immediate aftermath of the events.
22:35But there was a strange coincidence: on the evening of the murder, a call came to 113.
22:44Let's see what happened, exactly.
22:55Yes, good evening, I'm here in Crema, do I want to go skiing in Crema?
23:00Yes.
23:01A perfect.
23:12Behind me this is Mr. Iori's house,
23:16and we intervened as we were alerted by 113.
23:20Following a call from a neighbor
23:22who responded to the requests of his wife, who was looking for him but was unable to contact him.
23:39The wife was worried that he might have taken ill.
23:43as he had heard from him and said he would call back.
23:46In fact he never called back, the phone rang free
23:48and he should have been at home, according to his wife's information.
23:51The house from the inside is all thick and dark, there is nothing, no one.
23:57We forced the shutters of the house and the French window
24:03and inside he was not present, there were on a kitchen shelf
24:07personal effects, keys, a cell phone that was ringing free
24:12because his wife called him and a letter.
24:19It said it wasn't right for our daughter to live without a father.
24:24The wife basically said she was aware of the situation,
24:28that they weren't things that mattered and that they could put it away.
24:34At the end of the speech he wrote a note
24:37where he informed Iori that the police had entered the house
24:42and he said he would call his wife, 113, upon his return.
24:49Police, I'm Maurizio Iori, my wife called me
24:54because they had to look for me at home at 11pm
24:58and that Armini next to me called, he didn't find me
25:01and I had left my cell phone at home.
25:04There's a neighbor, he left me a message.
25:07The police entered the house at 11am because my grandmother couldn't find me.
25:27So, Dr. Segre, from what we understand,
25:32the night Claudio and Lidia were killed,
25:35Maurizio Iori is not at home.
25:38According to what you have reconstructed through reading the records,
25:42he comes home at 1.44 when he phones his wife, Laura,
25:50and reassures her.
25:51Then it was Maurizio Iori who called 113, the police, at 2.05 am.
26:00We expect that the examination of the phone records shows that he made the last phone call
26:03he had done it to his wife at 7.31pm.
26:06So there is a gap of 5 hours since the last phone call made
26:10when he picked up the phone that was ringing in vain at home
26:13to make the phone call first to his wife and then to the police.
26:16Listen, Maurizio Iori, what would he have done in these 5 hours?
26:20What does it tell you?
26:21He tells us that he came home tired of having left his phone,
26:27of having taken a walk to go shopping first
26:30in a shopping center not far from the residence
26:34and then walked to the multiplex to see a film.
26:40There were, I think, the ladies on the sixth floor.
26:43But the alibi, do you check it, does it hold up?
26:47Of course we check it and of course it doesn't hold up.
26:50We immediately went to acquire the images from the video surveillance circuits
26:54both the shopping centre and the multiplex,
26:57but there was no trace of Iori.
26:59In short, Maurizio Iori has no alibi, but that's still not enough to consider him a murderer.
27:06Now the police must find a way to frame him.
27:11Let's see how.
27:17Analyzing and cross-referencing sales and distribution tables
27:22and the telephone cells showed that at 12.54 on 16 July 2011
27:29Iori Maurizio received a phone call from his wife
27:33and in that phone call he connected to the Carugate cell,
27:39a cell located on the eastern ring road of Milan.
27:45Analyzing the reports of the Telepass associated with your vehicle
27:51We were able to identify that his car passed by at 2.54pm
27:57exiting from the Meleniano Binasco toll booth
28:02then returning about half an hour later
28:05at the Milan South toll booth, Meleniano, in the direction of Lodi.
28:12In short, these investigations have allowed us to place
28:16Maurizio Iori on places and times
28:21where the found objects were purchased
28:24at the crime scene
28:26starting right from the gas canisters.
28:30But let's focus on the last receipt
28:33the one issued the day before the crime.
28:37Maurizio, in addition to having purchased a fourth stove
28:41and garbage bags
28:43buy some sauces to season the sushi.
28:48Doctor Segre, this detail, this culinary clue
28:55Do you need this for anything? Is it important?
28:58Yes, it is very useful for us because thanks to this
29:02Maurizio Iori places it right at the crime scene.
29:11Claudia, who had an intense and very frequent relationship with her mother
29:16He reported that Iori would return to Claudia and Livia's house on the 20th.
29:23and he had anticipated that on that occasion
29:26he would have cooked sushi, personally
29:30carrying it himself with camping canisters.
29:37The circumstance seemed very strange to Claudia
29:40both because Iori had never cooked
29:43but Iori argued that the need to use the bombs
29:47it was to simultaneously heat up sauces with which to consume the food.
29:53Claudia was perplexed but, as often happened,
29:57did not contradict Iori's orientation
30:00also because, after all, the fact that it showed up
30:04and could therefore spend more time at home with her
30:08it was also the opportunity for him to become familiar with his daughter Livia
30:13with which Iori, on the other hand, had no affection whatsoever.
30:17Doctor Segre, do you hear these words?
30:20That the father had no affection whatsoever
30:25towards this little girl
30:27it's really a painful thing
30:31and even more so this situation,
30:37this relationship between Maurizio Iori and little Livia
30:43it becomes something truly heartbreaking
30:47the moment we hear the very same words of Maurizio Iori.
30:53you are the ones who intercept it
30:55and on that occasion Maurizio talks to a friend of his.
31:01Let's hear what he says.
31:08But she's the little girl, so you never saw her?
31:12Almonst never.
31:13In name, but not in fact.
31:15Absolutely, yes, yes.
31:17So you weren't even fond of it?
31:19Unfortunately not, that is, unfortunately or fortunately, in short.
31:23Why didn't she show it to you or...?
31:25No, it was me, it was me.
31:27Maybe she was suffering because of this.
31:29I understand, but in the world people suffer for many things.
31:35At this point I believe that Maurizio Iori's position
31:39in your eyes it is increasingly compromised.
31:45When you hear from him, how does he react to your objections?
31:49At this point in the investigation Iori is formally under investigation.
31:52He always denied, he always denied everything
31:54and every time we discovered something he denied it.
31:58So he initially denied having been at Claudia and Livia's house
32:01and then he had to admit it.
32:03He had denied the purchases
32:05and in the end he had to admit this too
32:07in the face of the evidence of things.
32:09The situation for Iori is increasingly difficult
32:12and to complete the already serious circumstantial evidence
32:16towards him
32:17there are the technicians' results
32:21who were responsible for analyzing the various computers
32:24in use in Iori and other devices.
32:27What emerges at this point seems to be
32:31leave no more room for doubt.
32:41Three months before the murder
32:45Iori does some research
32:48in relation to succession issues
32:53and mortgage insurance in the event of death.
33:04June 15, 2011
33:07reads an article sent by an online newspaper
33:13where the news is reported
33:15of a prisoner's suicide
33:17who used a plastic bag
33:20and a canister of camping gas
33:23to commit suicide.
33:28June 21st
33:30from the hospital computer
33:32download a medical study
33:34relating to pathologies
33:37which may arise after anesthesia
33:39made with gases.
33:46Two days after the murder
33:49Iori researches and reads
33:52Article 580 of the Criminal Code
33:55which concerns incitement to suicide.
34:00In short, the fact that Maurizio Iori
34:03be the murderer
34:04it's now almost a certainty.
34:07But what could it be?
34:08the motive for such a monstrous action?
34:12Maurizio Iori is respected by all
34:15he has no financial problems
34:17a very successful career
34:19and at this point though
34:21let's take a step back
34:23and we enter the life of Maurizio Iori
34:26and by Claudia Ornesi.
34:33Claudia discovered she was expecting
34:36of a child in May 2008
34:40but he received a reaction
34:43absolutely negative
34:44from Iori.
34:48For two months Iori was not seen again
34:51she was the one who looked for him
34:52and to communicate
34:53who would certainly have fought
34:56to give and to bring to light
34:58the baby she was carrying.
35:02faced with this news
35:05Iori communicated immediately
35:07that at that point
35:08his figure would have disappeared
35:11from Claudia's life.
35:14Later on, however,
35:15the situation
35:16in a certain sense he returned
35:19Iori was convinced
35:21to recognize
35:22the little girl
35:24while
35:25requesting maximum confidentiality
35:28in management
35:29of the situation
35:30it is precisely
35:31for his family situation
35:33both for his professional image
35:34both to avoid
35:36that he became aware of it
35:38Iori's mother.
35:41Claudia
35:42even without being forced to
35:44however he adapted
35:46as he often did
35:49in response to Iori's requests.
35:54Claudia
35:55met the moment
35:57more difficult
35:58of greater bitterness
35:59in his life
36:00when he discovered
36:01That
36:02after three months
36:04since the birth of Livia
36:05was born
36:06another daughter of Iori.
36:13It was a moment
36:14of great dismay
36:16of bitterness
36:17Claudia felt offended
36:19because all the confidentiality
36:20which had been imposed on her
36:21he noticed
36:22that wasn't worth it
36:23for a situation
36:25identical
36:26that Iori was experiencing
36:27with another woman.
36:34But Claudia and Livia
36:36what danger
36:38could represent
36:40for Maurizio Iori
36:42for Maurizio Iori?
36:43There was definitely
36:44a speech
36:45of an economic nature
36:46as far as it was
36:48wealthy
36:48but let's remember
36:49that he had given to her
36:51an apartment in use
36:52which paid anyway
36:52with his company
36:53400 euros per month.
36:56In fact, he tried
36:57to preserve
36:58the apartment
36:59flipping the switch
37:00of the current
37:00to avoid
37:01that could explode
37:02with gas.
37:04For sure
37:05he was a person
37:06which as we said
37:09he had two lives
37:10one who was
37:11his life
37:13a little out
37:14from the rules
37:15the other life
37:15which showed
37:16to everyone
37:17so he had to give
37:17an idea of oneself
37:19that he could not give
37:20space for smudges
37:22so it was
37:23worried
37:24as well as
37:25of the economic aspect
37:26Surely
37:26to defend
37:27his reputation.
37:30If the wife
37:32he was aware
37:34of this other woman
37:36and of this other daughter
37:37what he was obsessed with
37:39Maurizio Iori?
37:42He wanted
37:43hold
37:44hidden
37:45to the mother
37:47some details
37:49of his life
37:50I can't believe it.
37:51The mother
37:52of the defendant Iori
37:54he was not aware
37:56of the granddaughter
37:58by Livia
37:58The idea was
37:59that he was
38:00very conditioned
38:02from the fact
38:04that the mother
38:05that heterosexual
38:07he was directing
38:08in all his things
38:09should not
38:11be aware
38:12of his
38:13how to say
38:15sexual urges.
38:19There is no type
38:21of passion
38:21in this story
38:22on the contrary
38:23there is a lot of freshness
38:24in studying
38:25a plan like this
38:26complex
38:26and complicated.
38:31Maurizio Iori
38:32kills
38:32Why
38:33Claudia Ornesi
38:34and the little girl
38:35have become
38:36too bulky
38:37for his life.
38:40At that time
38:40there is another one
38:42particular
38:42important
38:44a letter
38:46this letter
38:48can you find it?
38:49At that time
38:50we did
38:50a search
38:51at Iori's house
38:52we didn't find it
38:53at Claudia's house
38:55but we found
38:56between the material
38:57seized
38:58some white sheets
38:59on which
39:00there was the cast
39:02of a letter
39:02handwritten
39:03and so we decided
39:04to try to see
39:06what was written there
39:07on these sheets
39:08from the cast
39:09doing a little
39:10the game we played
39:10as children
39:11is this game
39:12let's see this game
39:13let's see this game
39:18to highlight
39:20the text
39:22a technique is used
39:23what is called
39:24ESDA
39:26the furrows
39:29they remain
39:30on plastic
39:31and they come
39:32highlighted
39:33from a powder
39:34black
39:35similar to toner
39:36of photocopiers
39:38and here it is
39:39that is created
39:41again
39:41the writing
39:43that was
39:44lost
39:47it has arrived
39:48the moment
39:49to know
39:50that
39:50that he had written
39:52Claudia
39:52in the letter
39:53shortly before
39:54to be killed
39:55words
39:57that instead
39:58to arouse
39:58compassion
40:00they had
40:01unleashed
40:02hate
40:02anger
40:03the violence
40:04by Maurizio Iori
40:05against her
40:07and his own daughter
40:10let's read it
40:27dear Maurizio
40:29you wanted
40:30that I abort
40:31thank God
40:32I didn't do it
40:33placing myself
40:34as motivations
40:35your reputation
40:37the family situation
40:38the moment
40:39not fair
40:40Then
40:42paradoxically
40:42in the arch
40:43four months old
40:44what timing
40:46you put
40:47pregnant
40:47another one
40:49suddenly
40:49for the other
40:50your motivations
40:51they have vanished
40:52the other
40:53you introduced her
40:54in the sunlight
40:55while I
40:56I passed
40:56a pregnancy
40:57in hiding
40:59I remember
41:00as if it were now
41:01in the evening
41:01in which you have me
41:02made to cry
41:03threatening me
41:04with these words
41:04if you do harm
41:06to my children
41:07I'll make you pay for it
41:08to you
41:08and to that one there
41:11that one there
41:12she's your daughter
41:21my soul
41:22it's torn
41:22from deep wounds
41:23old and new
41:25now I'm broken
41:27exhausted
41:28now I know you've chosen
41:29the other
41:30and even if I
41:31I'm in love with you
41:32and I love you
41:34I give up on you
41:35because I do harm
41:37only to myself
41:39Livia
41:40has the right
41:41to have a father
41:41And you
41:42you have the duty
41:43and the obligation
41:44to do it seriously
41:48without rancor
41:50Claudia
42:01I am speechless
42:02tell me
42:04something
42:05because I
42:05Truly
42:06I stayed
42:06completely
42:07upset
42:09from this story
42:10all of us
42:11we lived
42:12the emotion
42:15we lived
42:17all of us
42:19the emotion
42:21the emotion
42:22with
42:22with feelings
42:23contrasting
42:24of anger
42:25Of
42:27of compassion
42:29for the victims
42:31pride
42:32of having returned
42:33dignity
42:36to Claudia
42:42awareness
42:43of having had
42:44what to do
42:44with a person
42:45malignant
42:46malignant
42:47in a manner
42:47cold
42:48glacial
42:48the day
42:50the day of the arrest
42:51we went
42:52with the doctor
42:53of the state police
42:55because we were convinced
42:57which would have manifested
42:59his emotions
43:00that would have exploded
43:01once faced
43:03to the prosecution
43:04of having killed
43:04there
43:05a young woman
43:07Claudia
43:07the daughter
43:09when we have them
43:10notified
43:11the ordinance
43:12his words
43:13they were
43:14in the frost
43:15most absolute
43:16simply
43:17but
43:18Now
43:18how will I do it
43:20to organize
43:20my appointments
43:21I can do
43:22a call
43:22to the secretary
43:23to postpone
43:24the appointments
43:25with my patients
43:31Maurizio Iori
43:33is found
43:33in prison
43:34where is it
43:36discounting
43:36life imprisonment
43:37but continue
43:38to profess
43:39innocent
43:40above all
43:42never
43:43just one word
43:44for the two victims
43:45for Claudia
43:47and for Lidia
43:48I Iori
43:51I only saw it
43:51on one occasion
43:52that is when
43:53he has
43:53participated
43:54to some hearings
43:55of the process
43:57before the court
43:58of assizes
43:58from Cremona
44:00adopted
44:01on that occasion
44:02an attitude
44:02which surprised me a lot
44:03because he never did
44:05reference to the crime
44:06he didn't even try
44:07to exonerate oneself
44:08but only to some extent
44:09to feel sorry for oneself
44:12he says first of all
44:13I am here
44:13to make it clear
44:14my situation
44:15physical and mental
44:16the arrest
44:17he tore me away
44:18to my life
44:19and I
44:19in one year in prison
44:21I got old
44:2225 years old
44:23live like this
44:24it's worse
44:25than to die
44:34I, Dr. Segre
44:36thank you
44:37to have us
44:38told
44:39this story
44:41this investigation
44:43we'll see each other
44:45next week
44:47for another
44:48investigation
44:49Good evening everyone
44:56a boy
44:58like many others
44:58looking for work
44:59to the north
45:00of this boy
45:01but they get lost
45:02the tracks
45:03maybe he left
45:04for Germany
45:05a Detective
45:07we'll tell you
45:08in collaboration
45:09with the state police
45:10the story
45:12by Gianluca Cardia
45:13for another
45:19Thank you all.
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