Un dramma che esce dagli schemi tradizionali della criminalità e sfiora i campi dell'occulto e del paranormale: la notte del 23 giugno 1986, Luciano Hani Tarek, studente di biologia, viene ucciso presso il Parco Archeologico di Veio, sito di una famosa necropoli etrusca, dove aveva accompagnato il professor Giuseppe Costa, appassionato di esoterismo e parapsicologia; quest'ultimo parlerà di un assalto a colpi di pistola da parte di sconosciuti, al quale almeno lui era riuscito a sfuggire. Costa e Hani Tarek si erano dati appuntamento sul posto per assistere ad alcuni inspiegabili fenomeni che si raccontava avvenissero dalle parti di Isola Farnese, nel cuore del grande parco a nord di Roma... Un misterioso caso che a distanza di trent'anni ancora non accenna a chiudersi.
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00:00:03Music
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00:01:50Telefono Giallo is dealing with an unusual, disturbing case this evening, a case, a crime,
00:01:56a tragedy that goes beyond the traditional patterns of crime and touches on those dubious but fascinating fields
00:02:04which are the occult, parapsychology and the paranormal.
00:02:09The case we are dealing with tonight occurred on the night of June 23, 1986, two and a half years ago,
00:02:17It's a date that I ask you to keep in mind because we will be talking about it for a long time,
00:02:20a will acquire a particular meaning over the course of history.
00:02:24The victim was called Luciano Tarek Ani, 29 years old, 1.90 m tall,
00:02:30a boy we should talk about for a long time to try to understand why he was killed that night.
00:02:36It was around midnight, in the locality of Veio, a necropolis near Rome.
00:02:42The circumstances and motive remain mysterious to this day.
00:02:46Before talking about Luciano Tarekani and the Veio crime,
00:02:53I must, however, recall and recall some circumstances relating to the case we dealt with last Friday,
00:03:01that is, the death of Michele Sindona which occurred in the Voghera prison.
00:03:06The two public prosecutors' offices of Milan and Voghera have deemed,
00:03:10they decided not to proceed with further investigations following the new elements
00:03:16that had emerged during our broadcast.
00:03:20It is naturally an autonomous decision of the judiciary which we respect,
00:03:26although I would like to underline here that we have limited ourselves to making available
00:03:32of public opinion and of anyone else not only an accurate, detailed and truthful
00:03:39reconstruction of all known facts, but also to open the door to the possibility
00:03:45that something more was known during the program.
00:03:50Contrary to what some people who are perhaps not very familiar with the television medium have said,
00:03:56We don't repeat the trials here, we are all aware of this, myself first,
00:04:01that redoing the trials here would be a parody of them.
00:04:05But we use our right to report the news, we use it to the fullest,
00:04:10We've done it in the past, we'll do it tonight, and we'll continue to do it in the future.
00:04:16This is ours, a free country and I point out, dragged by the controversy
00:04:21these days, since the program on Sindona's death was aired,
00:04:25It was aired by this network, by this company, at a delicate political moment
00:04:31on the eve of the very delicate congress of Christian Democracy.
00:04:35It's, so to speak, the details that count.
00:04:39Someone brought up the issue of anonymous emails again, in relation to this and other programs.
00:04:45Boring myself, and perhaps boring you, I must repeat for the third time that most of the
00:04:51The calls we broadcast are not anonymous.
00:04:54In fact, most of the time it is us and RAI, it is our willing and hardworking people
00:05:00collaborators you see behind me, who call listeners for a reason
00:05:07very simple, very small, and that is that sometimes it's a matter of waiting before being
00:05:13broadcast and therefore it is better that we embroider them because it involves spending
00:05:18money that is better spent by RAI than by the listener who calls.
00:05:24This is a clarification that I have to make because the problem of the anonymous, in my opinion, has been
00:05:29brought up in a confused and disinterested manner. There have been, admittedly, exceptions.
00:05:36An exception was that of Viere di Marsala which on a dramatic evening some
00:05:41A month ago he called to report the serious anomalous events that had occurred at the military center
00:05:47Marsala radar the night of the Ustica tragedy. Based on that phone call, an investigation was launched.
00:05:52which was dying has come back to life and it seems that in the next few days we will know the conclusions.
00:05:58Another anonymous phone call is the one that definitely arrived here last Friday
00:06:02by a self-styled prison officer from Voghera. I must point out that the elements that
00:06:08telephone call provided, even if deemed irrelevant by the judiciary, were precise elements and
00:06:13which in any case were elements that did not harm anyone. Because in the dust that was raised
00:06:21he also got confused, using the hateful word anonymous, between anonymous and anonymous. There is
00:06:27the anonymous person who insinuates that a certain lady was seen in an attitude on a certain evening
00:06:32so-so in a certain place and there is the anonymous who reveals facts of collective interest and
00:06:37General. The books you see before me, the weighty volumes you see before me
00:06:42They have a solemn cover. On top, as you can see, it says Senate of the Republic.
00:06:49Chamber of Deputies. Their full title, as I read it to you, is Parliamentary Commission of Inquiry.
00:06:56on the phenomenon of the Mafia and other similar criminal organizations. These books are the result
00:07:02of a democratic and progressive battle. They contain ballots, nominative ballots, in the
00:07:09which indicate complicity and connivance on the part of deputies, public administrators,
00:07:14entrepreneurs. I went in person this morning to pick them up at Montecitorio, because
00:07:20with considerable outlay I imagine on the part of the taxpayer's treasury, these books, these thousands
00:07:26of pages have been published, these four volumes that you see have been published, they are
00:07:31public, they are available to anyone and in here I assure you that there is mud for
00:07:37everyone. Well, most of these reports are anonymous. Why should a responsible body
00:07:46as the Anti-Mafia Commission deemed it necessary to make available to anyone
00:07:50a series of rumors that may also be slanderous insinuations. Among the many reasons
00:07:57I would like to read you two lines from the lucid preface by Senator Chiaromonte who chairs that
00:08:03commission, in which he says, he states, the publication of the cards is the only way
00:08:09which allows people who have been unjustly accused or slandered to clarify their positions
00:08:14and to reject the charges if they deem it appropriate. This is the reason. Print
00:08:22Is this yellow too? Is this trash journalism too? I remind you that this is a
00:08:30live program that is broadcast from the Rai 3 studios in Rome and that our number
00:08:35by telephone for anyone who would like to contact us preferably
00:08:40giving his name after all I said will be better is 8262 with the prefix
00:08:4606 for those calling from outside Rome. I also want to say that we are connected as usual.
00:08:52to the weekly magazine Epoca which publishes the summary in advance every week on newsstands and on Mondays,
00:09:00the gist of the story we will be dealing with next Friday. And so we come to our
00:09:06fact. Let's get to our event at 8:41 PM, Veii, Itruscan Necropolis, night of June 23rd.
00:09:14two years ago as I said, a particular night, the shortest night of the year, we are at the solstice
00:09:20in summer, the night that some call the witches' night, some call San Giovanni's night. Let's see in this
00:09:25video that is now being broadcast in the locality with the voice of the psychic Umberto under the images
00:09:32of Grace, who assures that the arcane place releases mysterious energies. Let's see it.
00:09:40Together.
00:09:54This place has a purely esoteric character, that is, it deals with disciplines that
00:10:02they speak of a return to a primary energy, a return to a knowledge, a return to a socket
00:10:10greater awareness which in itself is good, that is, it is something that all of us
00:10:14we hope, given the results of a certain unbridled technology, of a certain trade
00:10:21up to himself.
00:10:49This is the confluence center of Cinque
00:10:52paths that for a normal person have no value. For those who believe in
00:10:58magic, in a very popular magic, instead represents a five-pointed star.
00:11:07The five-pointed star, depending on its position, that is, whether it is facing upwards
00:11:14there is only one tip or if there are two tips towards the top, it represents positive force
00:11:21in the first case, the negative or demonic force in the second case.
00:11:26Other very interesting features from a historical and archaeological point of view are the findings
00:11:31ancients of the oldest part, of the oldest phase of the Etruscan civilization here in Veio,
00:11:38that is, the period with contact with the Eastern world.
00:11:41In fact, objects of Egyptian origin have been found here, for example, many ostrich eggs.
00:11:48painted and even a tomb called the warrior's tomb was found where on the outside
00:11:55There are anthropomorphic figures and a one-of-a-kind cup was found inside
00:12:01which was named Aitos 666. Here, this is a definition from an archaeologist,
00:12:09but for those who study magic, esotericism, I use magic in a negative sense, esotericism in a positive sense,
00:12:17gives this value 666 a negative energy interpretation. In fact, 666 is the number of the beast.
00:12:26cited in the Apocalypse, therefore of the demon, which is opposed to 888 which is the number of Christ.
00:12:35Now, this frames not only the place where the crime took place, but also the atmosphere.
00:12:41in which it presumably occurred or at least preceded it.
00:12:46That fateful night there in Veii, near the necropolis, two involuntary witnesses witnessed
00:12:53in the preamble to the tragedy that was about to unfold. They were two engaged couples, his name was Amedeo Sarra,
00:13:01I say his name was because a few months later he was to die accidentally, he was on board
00:13:07of a car with his girlfriend for reasons we can all guess.
00:13:12The two saw the white car driven by Luciano arrive, they saw Luciano and Professor Costa
00:13:19to get off, to leave the car, to walk away, to disappear around the first bend of the road
00:13:24path, a path we'll see shortly. Let's see it now in the video that's being aired.
00:13:30how these first events unfolded according to their perspective, according to their reconstruction.
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00:16:15the man who suddenly appears in front of the hood of their car, but they do not flee.
00:16:20With notable civic sense, they reach the nearby Carabinieri station of La Storta on the Via Cassia.
00:16:28and they warn that they heard a gunshot and that something serious, perhaps very serious, must have happened there,
00:16:36in that dark and secluded location.
00:16:38The Carabinieri rush to the scene and here in the video of our reconstruction is the scene in front of which they found themselves when
00:16:47they arrive on site.
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00:21:47towards he was particularly attracted by readings with a religious philosophical background, he preferred
00:21:55even the pages of the sacred books of the Hindus, passing through the so-called mysteries of the
00:22:06Etruscan civilization, his interests reached as far as science fiction. He reached me a few years ago
00:22:14later, still at the scientific high school, an extremely intelligent boy, good at school,
00:22:23volcanic for the thousand initiatives he took within the class and also within the whole
00:22:30scientific high school course. He was tied by a deep affection to his brother, more than
00:22:42how much was not apparent to an official observer due to the absolute diversity
00:22:50of character. Luciano Reserved, we said and distinguished, he exuberant and volcanic, Stefano,
00:23:00but I repeat, deeply attached to his brother.
00:23:08I remind you that we are connected in this program live with a telephone number
00:23:12which is 8262 with the prefix 06, you can now see it superimposed. After this testimony
00:23:18live, filmed, I would now like to introduce you to Stefano Arek Ani, he is Luciano's brother,
00:23:26the victim's brother, Stefano, I should say Dr. Arek Ani because he is a doctor
00:23:31veterinarian, he did not want to come to this program and the fact, the tragedy of '86 deeply affected him
00:23:39marked. I would like to repeat to you in public what I said before in private, you are here
00:23:44among friends, if there is a chance that this program will be of any use, to rebuild
00:23:51logically, to perhaps shed a little more light on the tragedy that she and the
00:23:56his family have suffered, we are making this opportunity available to him. He heard
00:24:01what did Professor Scarrapicchia say, what was she like, what kind of man was her brother?
00:24:07Luciano. Describing a brother in words can be rhetorical and perhaps even pathetic,
00:24:34It is not up to me to list my brother's qualities and merits, also because it is too inductive,
00:24:46It's too simple for me to say this. I can only say that all people
00:24:52those who knew him loved him for his way of always being available,
00:25:02always a bit of a dreamer. I have yet to meet a person of such moral integrity.
00:25:19and of a kindness of soul that could remotely resemble my brother and was thrown
00:25:29of the mud, not to mention the silt on this figure. Now let's talk about it, first I'd like to ask
00:25:36one more thing. These relationships for esotericism, let's call it that with a single word that includes
00:25:44a bit of everything. How did they come into being in Luciano? Well, what is said is absolutely inaccurate.
00:25:49it was said before. When it was said that the relationship between Luciano and Professor Costa was born for
00:26:06this shared interest in the occult, etc. Anyone who knows Professor Costa
00:26:17and anyone who talks to his former students knows that besides being a teacher he was a brother.
00:26:24Major. He was a person who was always available and generous with advice for teenagers,
00:26:33for problems that we know everyone goes through. The particular delicacy of their relationship
00:26:49it was due to the fact that Luciano was actually inclined to the history of religions and it was
00:26:57a coincidence, a fortunate collusion between the professor and my brother, later amplified,
00:27:05But it's not right to talk about occultism and other things. Then we need to talk about Egyptology,
00:27:13of the history of Christianity, of passion for the Indian religion and all these things,
00:27:18Not occultism. Occultism means demonizing interests that fall outside the norm.
00:27:24But in fact you are certainly right Stefano, I have to tell you something, first of all at the beginning
00:27:30I have made a whole plea for the right to report this program and let's be clear,
00:27:35I don't deny anything, but I'm also very aware that the right to report often slips
00:27:41on things that are important or detailed or important in good faith, involuntarily, there is
00:27:48always a certain approximation in the news, this is why we asked her to come
00:27:53here, so that she could refocus, refine some details on which to reconstruct
00:27:59We may have slipped a little. I tell myself one thing, you mentioned this relationship before.
00:28:03so complete, she actually described a relationship between father and son.
00:28:07And so it was.
00:28:09Even the age difference is that, in short.
00:28:12Yes, but it was a wonderful relationship for that, because it had... I think that every good
00:28:18father should be a great friend and a big brother, and father should be a whole, a
00:28:23condensed. And this was greatly found in the relationship between Luciano and Peppino.
00:28:32And I too, I must say, have benefited from this, albeit to a lesser extent.
00:28:39Why in what sense, excuse me?
00:28:41In the sense, what I was telling you before, that many former students have a memory of the professor
00:28:51It was like a mix between an older brother and a father friend. It was the exact same relationship.
00:29:00that he was getting into trouble with everyone.
00:29:01Listen Stefano, you are a doctor, a grown man, I have to do it even if I am very tried
00:29:07and I can see it from your attitude here too. I have to ask you a brutal question, but…
00:29:12I have to do it publicly because that's what people are wondering. It's not that there
00:29:17it was a relationship, because the father-son relationship is also an authoritarian relationship, a
00:29:21relationship, in quotation marks, of plagiarism, a relationship of oppression, for a good cause, let's be clear.
00:29:29It's not that this aspect was there either.
00:29:32Let me say that the relationship you describe between father and son is a relationship
00:29:35perverse and wrong. It's also a very common relationship.
00:29:38It's very common, but it's perverse and wrong all the same because the moment there is
00:29:43a plagiarist towards his own son has already made a complete mistake as a father's job.
00:29:48Oh my God, there are books written by a gentleman called Sigmund Freud, in which
00:29:51this thing is a bit analyzed.
00:29:53Precisely, but this does not support the correctness of this behavior.
00:29:58If plagiarism means totally changing a person's mind, well, that doesn't happen.
00:30:08absolutely. Admiration for a person who can be generous with advice and
00:30:16of moral help for a teenager cannot be considered plagiarism.
00:30:24If that were the case, long live plagiarism.
00:30:26Stefano, we have many other aspects of this matter to talk about shortly.
00:30:30Now, however, I would like to ask you just one last question for now.
00:30:33Why did they go there that night?
00:30:37Very simple. You should know that I've been with them on other nights too, and for whom?
00:30:48believes in phenomena classifiable as esoteric knows that the night of San Giovanni and not as a
00:31:00Who finds it convenient to call it the witches' night? The night of San Giovanni is an evocative night,
00:31:07It is a night full of meanings and it is not a night full of demons as is convenient
00:31:15Write to anyone who wants to put on a show. It's like the cycles of the moon, I can only tell you
00:31:23that there is indeed a magnetism linked to periods of the year. You can see it in nature,
00:31:29you see it in animals, you see it in the mating season, in childbirth, etc.
00:31:33And this also applies to the night of San Giovanni.
00:31:36Thank you very much, Stefano. We will return to this topic and other aspects shortly.
00:31:42They are important to her, no less than to us. Meanwhile, I wanted to delve deeper into this aspect.
00:31:47remembering therefore that Professor Costa and the unfortunate young Luciano that night
00:31:53they go there because the night of San Giovanni is a special night and they wanted to experience
00:31:59these energies, release those negative tensions, experiment, take on those positive energies
00:32:06which now reminded us of those magnetic tensions, which now reminded us of the young Stefano Ani
00:32:13and that on that night, the shortest and shortest night of the year, they are particularly sensitive.
00:32:18We have here, good evening professor, in the office Professor Sabatucci who teaches
00:32:23history of religions at the University of Rome, thank you for being here with us, to whom I would like to
00:32:30ask, did you hear these four words that I said on the night of San Giovanni?
00:32:35Indeed.
00:32:36Do you share?
00:32:37Well, I agree a little more with what your interlocutor said.
00:32:43Please.
00:32:43When he said let's forget about the witches' night, it's a night that has become
00:32:52important since Fraser maybe he was the one who made it important, when he said
00:32:58that the celebration, the Midsummer celebration is perhaps the oldest celebration.
00:33:06There is a Shakespeare play we must remember.
00:33:09Exactly, exactly, in fact, it is the oldest celebration of the Aryan peoples of Europe.
00:33:19Fraser said this, he also tried to prove it through folklore, research
00:33:26folklore, etc., and this was accepted by many, taken almost as a mangela.
00:33:35There is something, it's the summer solstice.
00:33:39Sure, the shortest night, right?
00:33:41There's something too...
00:33:42From that moment the year begins, the sun begins to wane again.
00:33:46As the day decreases, it begins to decrease.
00:33:48And in fact St. John speaks of himself saying, at least John the Baptist of course, is reported
00:33:59In the Gospel of St. John, John the Baptist speaks of himself saying that he is destined to decrease,
00:34:06to decrease, while Christ is destined to increase because he is at the other solstice, that
00:34:13in which the day begins to grow again.
00:34:16To grow, that is, she says on December 25th.
00:34:19Exact.
00:34:20Listen, professor, our Stefano Ani was saying earlier, he talked about strange phenomena that can be found
00:34:28in nature, magnetic character, do you agree?
00:34:30Oh no, I mean, there's nothing scientifically proven, of course.
00:34:36Here, she...
00:34:37The only thing that is proven is this image of the night of San Giovanni which has been imprinted,
00:34:45let's say, to be milled and then adopted by many others, Evola himself.
00:34:52Is Evola talking about this?
00:34:53Yes, it also talks about the night of San Giovanni.
00:34:57I understand.
00:34:58We'll come back to this topic shortly, thanks for this preamble.
00:35:02Please.
00:35:03So, Professor Costa and young Ani went there to check, that night
00:35:08particular, loaded at least with meanings, perhaps, if we are to believe what is told to us
00:35:14it was said earlier, also of something else, that night the influence, the power, the extension
00:35:20of those demonstrations.
00:35:25You think that Professor Costa made a statement, which I would like to read verbatim because it is
00:35:30singular, to the investigators, where he said
00:35:33Veio is a place rich in energies that promote relaxation and in which we also tried to refine
00:35:39certain abilities.
00:35:40In the area and in other Etruscan necropolises, lights and flashes can sometimes be seen and sounds can be heard.
00:35:48Let's now see, in the video that is being broadcast, the reconstruction of the facts according to the precise
00:35:55testimony that Professor Costa gave to the investigators immediately after the event.
00:36:01This is the second version of the fact we saw before.
00:36:05First we saw it from the point of view of the couple who were in that car,
00:36:09now we see it, same time, same place, according to Professor Costa's version.
00:36:14Let's see it together.
00:36:27Let's see it together.
00:36:31Let's see it together.
00:36:45Let's see it together.
00:37:00Thank you all.
00:37:32Thank you all.
00:38:14Thank you all.
00:38:17The sacrifice was counted every day in which the sun reached the square degree of its birth.
00:38:26The little wind...
00:38:40Stop!
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00:40:46members of a revolutionary movement in Sri Lanka, fighting for liberation
00:40:55of their country and that in Italy we have found them interested in trafficking several times
00:41:01narcotics that they allegedly carry out to finance their movement.
00:41:07Ah, well, in fact these three that we put in the reconstruction say, they shout
00:41:12Drugs, drugs, which seem to be the words that told that story. Look, what credence did you give?
00:41:18to this version? Do you know that gangs operated in that area?
00:41:25of... The credit we have given in relation of course to the test statement and
00:41:30so it should be taken as such. In reality we have no Tamil settlements in the area, for the
00:41:42of the Eurozone, various arrests that have been made over the years.
00:41:47That is, southwest of Rome, are we north here?
00:41:49Here we are in the north. In the area we have settlements of North Africans, mostly
00:41:55however in the Olgiata area, which is approximately 3 km away from the point where the incident occurred,
00:42:01They are mostly domestic workers. That night, not even to do it right at the moment
00:42:08of the sad event, there was one of our services right in the Olgiata area and he was talking
00:42:15with the security guards of that area for an alarm that had been raised and they were called
00:42:23the military were informed of what had happened and who the North Africans were looking for.
00:42:29and then they spoke with the security guards, who then until the next morning, until
00:42:35At 7am, they said that no North African had returned in that time.
00:42:41But is that area an area where violence occurs frequently or not?
00:42:45No. And from what the local station has told us and from our direct knowledge
00:42:53Isn't that the specific area of the fact? No.
00:42:58I understand, excuse me just a moment. Hello?
00:43:01Yes? I hear it, but word isn't getting out, am I wrong?
00:43:06Ready?
00:43:07Here, yes, now yes. Hello? Tell me.
00:43:09Yes, hello, good evening. Listen, I wanted to say this. I already spoke to a colleague of yours.
00:43:17Time to do it, I live in that area and driving along an avenue there is a wood and I
00:43:30I saw with other people
00:43:33a tree with candles around it, and bands around it.
00:43:38Yes?
00:43:39Now I don't know if they were practiced, how can I say?
00:43:50A ritual gesture?
00:43:51Exact.
00:43:52Yes.
00:43:53Exactly, that's what I think.
00:43:55That's what he thinks.
00:43:57Some candles?
00:43:58Repeat, for the colonel, had you seen when? Then? At the time of the events?
00:44:02I don't know if they did, if they investigated that place. I remember perfectly...
00:44:08We're talking about June 1986. What you saw happened at the time or later?
00:44:13Roughly, roughly that era.
00:44:16Roughly that era.
00:44:16A month, more or less, a month.
00:44:18You see, repeat that carefully.
00:44:22Yes, no?
00:44:23You saw, repeat exactly what you said. You saw, some, a tree surrounded...
00:44:28With candles...
00:44:30Turned on?
00:44:31With bands.
00:44:32Turned on?
00:44:33Yes, no, off.
00:44:34Candles out?
00:44:35On the ground.
00:44:36On the ground and then he said another word that I didn't understand?
00:44:39On the ground...
00:44:40Ah, bands.
00:44:41Candles and bands.
00:44:42Bands.
00:44:44White and red bands.
00:44:46Ah, bands.
00:44:47Bandages.
00:44:49I understand, I understand.
00:44:51Thank you.
00:44:52Let's hear the Colonel's comment on this...
00:44:54But in our examination of the area we have never found it in this aspect,
00:45:00we never detected it.
00:45:01Yes.
00:45:02Before there was...
00:45:04I can, exactly.
00:45:05I can point out where it was.
00:45:09Coronnello, I would like to clarify in relation to the controversies that have arisen,
00:45:12that this call is not anonymous, even if this gentleman did not say his name,
00:45:17he told a co-worker first.
00:45:20Because there are some gentlemen who then...
00:45:23But we take note, instead.
00:45:26What do you say, excuse me?
00:45:27Let's take note of what they say and then let's look into it and see if it's valid or not.
00:45:31It's not necessarily necessary, absolutely.
00:45:35Thank you.
00:45:36Good evening.
00:45:36Thank you very much for this testimony.
00:45:38The colonel then takes note and then sees what he has to do.
00:45:42I would like you now, before continuing this conversation,
00:45:45we saw in a very short film how Luciano was hit,
00:45:49because I would like to ask you a few questions about this.
00:45:52Please.
00:46:04Here, Colonel, it was a very short filmed testimony.
00:46:08What kind of gun was used on that occasion?
00:46:12Well, according to the forensic report it was a .38 caliber.
00:46:19What is a drum-action automatic pistol?
00:46:22It's a revolver.
00:46:24It's a revolver.
00:46:25I'm not very familiar with weapons, unfortunately I'll have to do it.
00:46:29Look, it's a revolver so it doesn't leave shells.
00:46:32But I know this.
00:46:33And where was he hit?
00:46:35He was hit almost at the height of the left breast region,
00:46:40then in the left intercostal space, from left to right.
00:46:45I understand.
00:46:47How did he die immediately from that kind of wound?
00:46:50Yes, because it damaged the brain and lungs.
00:46:53I understand.
00:46:54How did Professor Costa react?
00:46:56How did you judge Professor Costa's reaction?
00:47:00But we naturally refer back to what the two fiancés said,
00:47:05to what was their first impression,
00:47:07which is perhaps always the one that one focuses on the most in investigations.
00:47:15Professor Costa arrived out of breath to ask for help from the two boys.
00:47:21and so that they would inform the police.
00:47:25The two boys spoke in their depositions about a man who had arrived,
00:47:30yes, tired, but they hadn't seen him excessively dazed.
00:47:36Here, as if he hadn't realized the gravity of what had happened.
00:47:41In fact the professor gives two rather strange depositions,
00:47:47which may appear strange, may not appear logical,
00:47:51where at first the scene you have already reported he described,
00:47:57but as soon as there was the gunshot and the three boys,
00:48:01and the three who left, he immediately goes towards the car,
00:48:04while at a later time Professor Costa, perhaps calmer,
00:48:08he is able to tell us that once they are gone,
00:48:11he called the boy several times and then he realized
00:48:14that something serious had happened.
00:48:16While at first he had thought that perhaps the boy
00:48:19he had deliberately thrown himself to the ground
00:48:20to make the situation a little more tragic,
00:48:23so that the three could leave.
00:48:25I understand, they were induced to leave.
00:48:27I would like us to see now in this video
00:48:29what happened immediately after the crime.
00:48:32Please.
00:48:42We're standing still, help, please, help, please,
00:48:46we have been accredited.
00:49:13We're standing still, help, please.
00:49:52Costo therefore did not help Luciano who had fallen,
00:49:56perhaps he did not realize, however he did not ascertain the conditions
00:50:00in which Luciano found himself and instead in the grip of shock
00:50:03he ran to ask for help towards the couple's car.
00:50:08Fabrizio Venturini is with me in the studio now,
00:50:11a colleague of the Messenger.
00:50:13Good evening Venturini.
00:50:14Good evening.
00:50:14He is the colleague who helped us,
00:50:16who did the basic investigation for us
00:50:19on which this program is built.
00:50:21Why Venturini, the behavior of Professor Costa,
00:50:24was it considered strange and contradictory at first?
00:50:27On the basis of what elements?
00:50:29I would like to point out that my role was that of a reporter,
00:50:32not that of a behavioral psychologist,
00:50:35nor an expert in psychological behaviors and reactions.
00:50:39Those who were, let's say,
00:50:42of the doubts raised by this behavior
00:50:45and which, moreover, are not incredible,
00:50:49given the extent of the experience that Professor Costa had conducted,
00:50:53who, among other things, declared to me, in short,
00:50:56to also be affected by high blood pressure,
00:51:01so a rather suggestible person.
00:51:04Small aside, having seen him run like that,
00:51:08maybe on television the suspicion almost comes here
00:51:11whether he was a long-distance runner or a middle-distance runner,
00:51:13maybe, let's say, he walked a little slower.
00:51:16Anyway, other than that,
00:51:17the perplexities that, from this story, let's say,
00:51:22they escape out, let's say, in anyone,
00:51:23first of all, for example, they concern the keys,
00:51:25the car keys.
00:51:26Meaning what?
00:51:27The car keys remained in the boy's hand.
00:51:32Anything like this happens,
00:51:34there is a need to rescue a person
00:51:37who was the victim of an assault,
00:51:40maybe serious, maybe not serious,
00:51:41although, I remember Professor Costa telling me,
00:51:44I heard Luciano say,
00:51:46they hit me with extreme calm,
00:51:49they struck me.
00:51:50One may ask,
00:51:52The investigators asked themselves,
00:51:54why didn't he take the car keys,
00:51:58of Luciano's Golf,
00:52:00why didn't he bring the car there
00:52:02or he didn't take Luciano to the car
00:52:04and then he headed towards the police,
00:52:07towards a hospital, etc.
00:52:10Certainly, faced with such a case,
00:52:12I believe, for that little bit of experience,
00:52:14not scientific, obviously, empirical,
00:52:17It's not like you can expect logic,
00:52:19in short, of an iron logic.
00:52:21However, this fact is still,
00:52:23it lends itself to some considerations.
00:52:25Why?
00:52:26The professor answered me
00:52:27because Luciano was holding the keys in his hand.
00:52:31And then, on the other hand,
00:52:34Another question can be asked here too.
00:52:36If Luciano had been touched,
00:52:39shocked, grazed,
00:52:41if it wasn't there, in short,
00:52:42awareness of the gravity of the situation,
00:52:44maybe they could have asked him for the keys.
00:52:47Or maybe he himself could have proposed it.
00:52:49Anyway.
00:52:50Listen, Venturino,
00:52:51I would like to ask you a question now
00:52:54on another contradiction
00:52:56which appeared in that story,
00:52:59confused, excited, understandably.
00:53:02Certain.
00:53:02Before doing so, however,
00:53:03I would like to show,
00:53:04for our memory and that of the listeners,
00:53:07a map of the places
00:53:09which we have reconstructed here.
00:53:11So, I would like to attract in the meantime
00:53:14your attention on this first plant.
00:53:16This first plant presents,
00:53:18on a rather small scale,
00:53:20here is the Via Cassia,
00:53:21Rome is on this side,
00:53:23the north direction is towards that part.
00:53:25This area inscribed inside,
00:53:28this red circle,
00:53:29this is the area we are interested in.
00:53:31the area where the events took place
00:53:33that we see enlarged
00:53:35in this second map.
00:53:37So, the place is accessed,
00:53:40coming from this road,
00:53:42it turns like this,
00:53:44more or less it was located here,
00:53:47here there is a crossroads with a cemetery
00:53:49which is a circumstance
00:53:50which adds an extra note to the place,
00:53:54a note full of pathos to the place,
00:53:56the place, the night, the cemetery.
00:53:59This is more or less where the machine was placed
00:54:02with Amedeo Sarra and his girlfriend on board.
00:54:04Luciano's Golf
00:54:06lose this road here,
00:54:09here is the old red mill
00:54:10that we saw in the video,
00:54:12it stops here,
00:54:13park here.
00:54:14The two go down,
00:54:15they walk away,
00:54:17they go beyond this curve
00:54:18and going beyond this curve
00:54:19they go out of sight
00:54:20of the fiancés who were here.
00:54:23This is where the attack takes place,
00:54:25Luciano dies here.
00:54:26Professor Costa runs back,
00:54:30more or less running,
00:54:31maybe not so quickly
00:54:32as our colleague Venturini told us,
00:54:34like our actor
00:54:36who played the part,
00:54:37but anyway,
00:54:38out of breath,
00:54:38the car arrives,
00:54:39the two fiancés are impressed,
00:54:42they move away quickly,
00:54:44they retrace their steps
00:54:45and they go to call the police.
00:54:47Professor Costa here
00:54:49he does nothing but follow them on foot,
00:54:53he follows them on foot,
00:54:54running a little,
00:54:55walking a little,
00:54:56out of breath,
00:54:57until it arrived
00:54:58more or less here
00:54:59meet the car,
00:55:01the carabinieri van
00:55:03that meanwhile warned
00:55:04they were arriving on site.
00:55:06So,
00:55:06this is the geometry,
00:55:08let's say,
00:55:09the succession
00:55:11of physical movements
00:55:12immediately after the crime.
00:55:15Venturini,
00:55:16There are,
00:55:18as it turns out
00:55:19the analysis of these movements?
00:55:21It seems very confusing.
00:55:23Yes,
00:55:23it seems confusing
00:55:24and it also appears here
00:55:26a behavior
00:55:28which is not that
00:55:29glacial of a person
00:55:30used to getting by
00:55:32in the way
00:55:32in situations like this.
00:55:35It's exactly there
00:55:35this counting
00:55:37maybe too much,
00:55:38Perhaps
00:55:39in the grip
00:55:40to despair
00:55:41even legitimately
00:55:42on one's physical abilities,
00:55:44that is, those of
00:55:44move on foot
00:55:46to see
00:55:47Of
00:55:49change the situation
00:55:50and to bring
00:55:51help to Luciano,
00:55:52that Luciano though
00:55:52in the moment
00:55:54it stays there.
00:55:55At that time
00:55:55here too
00:55:56maybe someone
00:55:56you can ask
00:55:57instead of heading
00:55:59in search
00:55:59of the carabinieri
00:56:00maybe he could
00:56:01return,
00:56:02maybe he couldn't.
00:56:03I repeat,
00:56:06I believe
00:56:06at least for that
00:56:07that the professor
00:56:08he told me exactly
00:56:09that there was
00:56:11actually
00:56:11a shock
00:56:12That
00:56:14Costa himself
00:56:15hid
00:56:16there and then
00:56:17for a
00:56:17for a
00:56:19for a
00:56:19own feeling
00:56:20note of restraint
00:56:21probably
00:56:22another person
00:56:23she would have behaved
00:56:24in another way
00:56:25faced with a case
00:56:26of the kind.
00:56:26I would like Venturini
00:56:27read them
00:56:27why we think about it
00:56:28briefly together
00:56:29a testimony
00:56:31date
00:56:31own
00:56:32testimony
00:56:33textual
00:56:33ready?
00:56:35Good evening
00:56:35Yes, good evening
00:56:36Listen
00:56:37doctor
00:56:38I wanted
00:56:39ask me a question
00:56:40it seems to me
00:56:41that there is
00:56:41a bit of confusion
00:56:42in the description
00:56:44how much
00:56:46he asserted
00:56:46Professor Costa
00:56:47in this sense
00:56:49Meaning what
00:56:49effectively
00:56:50he would have
00:56:51he claims
00:56:52of having seen
00:56:53three dwarfs
00:56:54three little men
00:56:55by Chiara
00:56:56which would have
00:57:00murdered
00:57:01the young man
00:57:02in question
00:57:04for what purpose?
00:57:05Meaning what
00:57:05if there is
00:57:06a reason
00:57:09could be
00:57:10that
00:57:11of the robbery
00:57:13of the robbery
00:57:14At that time
00:57:14in this specific case
00:57:16we would have
00:57:17a murderer
00:57:19for a single rock
00:57:21done again
00:57:23stranger
00:57:24Professor Costa
00:57:25declares
00:57:26subsequently
00:57:27to the police
00:57:27asks for help
00:57:29for those who don't know
00:57:30still gives an account
00:57:31of gravity
00:57:32of what happened
00:57:34when he
00:57:35he attended
00:57:35to everyone
00:57:36the shot
00:57:36of tricolpino
00:57:38and asks for help
00:57:40and subsequently
00:57:43subsequently
00:57:44it is carried
00:57:45on site
00:57:46and it seems to me
00:57:47to have understood
00:57:48through
00:57:49as he claimed
00:57:50the same
00:57:50Colonel
00:57:52with strong
00:57:52what face
00:57:53two statements
00:57:54which are totally
00:57:56antitheses
00:57:56I think he wants them
00:57:58answer
00:57:59Venturi
00:57:59we hear
00:58:00what does it tell us?
00:58:01I was
00:58:01I was dwelling on
00:58:02only on
00:58:03some doubts
00:58:04which concern
00:58:05the after
00:58:06that is, the after
00:58:07the shot
00:58:08or the shots
00:58:09here too
00:58:10Professor Costa
00:58:11he told me
00:58:11they seemed to me
00:58:12two or three
00:58:13actually
00:58:14it is not known
00:58:15the shells
00:58:16they have not been found
00:58:17there is an echo
00:58:18in the area
00:58:19this too
00:58:20must
00:58:21it goes in short
00:58:22taken into consideration
00:58:23there is
00:58:25a waterfall
00:58:26an explosion
00:58:27of the genre
00:58:28it can have repercussions
00:58:29with note
00:58:29echo phenomena
00:58:30a person
00:58:31in those situations
00:58:32It seems understandable to me
00:58:33don't do it
00:58:34in many cases
00:58:34if the shot
00:58:35had an impact
00:58:37from echo
00:58:37or
00:58:37if it was another blow
00:58:39the thing perhaps
00:58:41if I may add
00:58:42sorry Venturini
00:58:43before she adds
00:58:44why add better
00:58:45together too
00:58:46to our listener
00:58:47I wanted to read
00:58:48those three lines
00:58:49of testimony
00:58:50by Amedeo Sarra
00:58:51the boy
00:58:52which was located
00:58:52in the car
00:58:53with the girl
00:58:54I heard
00:58:55distinctly
00:58:56he said
00:58:56he verbalized
00:58:57two shots
00:58:58of firearm
00:58:59at a distance
00:58:5930 seconds
00:59:00only after 10 or 15 minutes
00:59:02during which
00:59:02I didn't see
00:59:03no person
00:59:03to move away
00:59:04on foot by car
00:59:05from the area
00:59:05I saw Costa
00:59:07the professor
00:59:08than knocking on the window
00:59:09to ask for help
00:59:10without however
00:59:11appear
00:59:11nor afraid
00:59:12nor impressed
00:59:13this is the verbalization
00:59:14of the deposition
00:59:15by Sarah
00:59:16Yes
00:59:16this is what we say
00:59:17it doesn't change
00:59:18essentially
00:59:19the route
00:59:20on which
00:59:21we were moving
00:59:22he specifies it
00:59:23but
00:59:24yes certainly
00:59:24the speech
00:59:26of this strange
00:59:28I think it can be said
00:59:29strange
00:59:29aggression
00:59:31of three people
00:59:31what is it in your opinion
00:59:33the reason
00:59:34but it is certainly
00:59:35it all remains to be ascertained
00:59:35I am trying to say
00:59:36it is certainly
00:59:37illogical behavior
00:59:38they are people who first
00:59:39they throw stones
00:59:41a moment
00:59:41Please
00:59:42I say
00:59:43they throw stones
00:59:44we are having a conversation
00:59:45three
00:59:45oh sure
00:59:46Yes
00:59:46I say
00:59:47they throw stones
00:59:48I can't find it
00:59:49the listener
00:59:49for God's sake
00:59:51let's say
00:59:52these people
00:59:52they throw stones
00:59:53in the story
00:59:54by Professor Costa
00:59:55then his story
00:59:56it is specified
00:59:57subsequently
00:59:58and the stones
00:59:59they become pebbles
01:00:01soils
01:00:02pebbles
01:00:04formally
01:00:04nothing changes
01:00:05according to investigators
01:00:06instead something changes
01:00:08Why
01:00:08of stones
01:00:09in the area
01:00:09there aren't any
01:00:10who throws stones
01:00:11it is supposed
01:00:12that he wants to push away
01:00:13the people
01:00:14then in reality
01:00:15evidently
01:00:16these people
01:00:17they are not removed
01:00:18and these people
01:00:19that he wanted them
01:00:19these three individuals
01:00:21who wanted to discourage them
01:00:22to the continuation
01:00:23of their excursion
01:00:23they jump out
01:00:25and they shoot
01:00:25listen
01:00:26I want to do it to you
01:00:27another clarification
01:00:29to refresh
01:00:29his memory
01:00:30because we have
01:00:30another deposition
01:00:32interesting
01:00:33that of Luigi Degni
01:00:34who lives
01:00:35no more than 200 meters away
01:00:36where it happened from
01:00:36the crime
01:00:37who verbalized
01:00:38that around 11.30pm
01:00:40at 11.30 pm
01:00:41while he was there
01:00:42in the bathroom
01:00:43he heard voices
01:00:44coming from the area
01:00:45where the murder fell
01:00:46voices
01:00:47as it appears from the documents
01:00:49male and adult
01:00:50arrogant and threatening
01:00:52typical
01:00:52the two people
01:00:53who are arguing
01:00:54he couldn't understand
01:00:56what they said
01:00:56after which he went to sleep
01:00:57he heard nothing else
01:00:58which as a currency
01:00:59this deposition
01:01:00but I have to say
01:01:01which in its time
01:01:03we received it
01:01:04In short
01:01:04as reporters
01:01:05of the messenger
01:01:06Meaning what
01:01:06we hear about it
01:01:07we hear about it
01:01:09the fact that there was
01:01:12an argument
01:01:13it wasn't
01:01:15let's say
01:01:16an element
01:01:17on which
01:01:18a reporter
01:01:19let's say
01:01:19held to the facts
01:01:21we can do it
01:01:21to dwell too much
01:01:23Why
01:01:23beyond the considerations
01:01:25that someone did
01:01:26that is, why these two people
01:01:28that is Luciano and the professor
01:01:29they could argue
01:01:30and you enter a
01:01:32in a field
01:01:32exterminated
01:01:33in which
01:01:33anyone can say
01:01:34something
01:01:35and with the little problem
01:01:38which is not about
01:01:39of a picnic
01:01:40but it's about
01:01:41of a murder
01:01:41and then
01:01:42to say something
01:01:43you need to have some data
01:01:44this data is not there
01:01:45Thank you
01:01:45thanks Venturini
01:01:46I would like to hear
01:01:47Now
01:01:48a lawyer
01:01:49to be exact
01:01:50the lawyer
01:01:51Torrebruno
01:01:51Good evening
01:01:52lawyer
01:01:52which represents
01:01:54precisely
01:01:54defends
01:01:55Professor Costa
01:01:56Good evening
01:01:56I have to tell her
01:01:58that are a bit
01:01:59regretful
01:02:00why Professor Costa
01:02:01at first
01:02:02he had told us
01:02:03that would have
01:02:05participated
01:02:06to this reconstruction
01:02:07that concerns him
01:02:08up close
01:02:08then instead
01:02:09it wasn't done
01:02:11find
01:02:12so to speak
01:02:13you can understand
01:02:15ninth
01:02:15but first of all
01:02:16I would like to clarify
01:02:17which is easy
01:02:18find Professor Costa
01:02:20it's not that difficult
01:02:22find
01:02:22now we try again
01:02:23but there isn't
01:02:25No problem
01:02:26and then
01:02:27I understand perfectly
01:02:29his profession
01:02:30of a reporter
01:02:31rather look
01:02:32it almost seems like it to me
01:02:32to belittle her
01:02:33talking about her
01:02:33like a reporter
01:02:34he is much more than a reporter
01:02:35please
01:02:36but
01:02:36ninth
01:02:37it is not
01:02:37what we say
01:02:38we lawyers
01:02:39a benevolent captation
01:02:41and things like that
01:02:41ninth
01:02:42she is much more than a reporter
01:02:43but
01:02:43I say
01:02:44she has the duty
01:02:45to ask myself this question
01:02:46but
01:02:47I have the duty
01:02:47to answer her
01:02:48that amazes me
01:02:49of how it can be done
01:02:51a question like this
01:02:52no no no
01:02:53just because
01:02:54the professor
01:02:54he had said
01:02:54ninth
01:02:55I will be there
01:02:56you will call me
01:02:58I will answer
01:02:59but of course
01:02:59and instead
01:03:00then he changed his mind
01:03:02naturally
01:03:02but only
01:03:03I wanted to underline this
01:03:05sure sure
01:03:05but probably
01:03:06Professor Costa
01:03:07he did what he did
01:03:08anyone would do it
01:03:09in a situation
01:03:09of this kind
01:03:10he searched within himself
01:03:11the strength
01:03:13to relive
01:03:14to relive
01:03:15the episode
01:03:15certainly more devastating
01:03:17of his life
01:03:17of his life
01:03:18and he couldn't find
01:03:20and it seems to me
01:03:20very normal
01:03:21and I would like to say one more thing
01:03:22in this regard
01:03:23that for me too
01:03:25personally
01:03:26be here
01:03:27it's something
01:03:27which moves me deeply
01:03:29not for the fact
01:03:30of television
01:03:30or bright lights
01:03:32or too strong
01:03:32this is not it
01:03:33but it's because of the fact
01:03:34that I know
01:03:35Professor Costa
01:03:36for over 12 years
01:03:38and so for 10 years
01:03:39before the episode
01:03:41and so I feel
01:03:42Me too
01:03:43personally
01:03:44emotionally involved
01:03:45I see he's involved
01:03:46to the point
01:03:46who wrote
01:03:47some notes
01:03:48these are some clarifications
01:03:49what he wanted to do
01:03:50yes but they are very short things
01:03:52if she gives me
01:03:53I give it to you
01:03:54I give it to you
01:03:54I give it to you briefly
01:03:56common interests
01:03:57let's talk about Evola
01:03:58Why
01:03:59Professor Costa
01:04:01he once told me
01:04:02because I really believe so
01:04:03of not being right
01:04:04to doubt me
01:04:04because he told me
01:04:05years before the fact
01:04:06that once
01:04:07I don't even remember
01:04:08how the conversation came out
01:04:09that once
01:04:09he had tried
01:04:10to read a book by Evola
01:04:11but he had found it
01:04:12so boring
01:04:13who had set it aside
01:04:14this for this
01:04:14concerning Evola
01:04:15so she has her sources
01:04:17information
01:04:17that will be worthy
01:04:18of the utmost respect
01:04:20she is the direct one
01:04:21here in this case
01:04:22I think that
01:04:22let's go to the next point
01:04:23common interests
01:04:24one was forgotten
01:04:26Which?
01:04:27Here you are
01:04:27biology
01:04:29Professor Costa
01:04:30teaches biology
01:04:32the poor
01:04:33Luciano Tarek Ani
01:04:34he was a biologist
01:04:35Professor Costa's son
01:04:38Fabio
01:04:39he is about to graduate
01:04:40in biology
01:04:41and he had to go
01:04:42that evening
01:04:42even together
01:04:43thanks for saying that
01:04:44as far as it concerns
01:04:45Egyptology
01:04:45non-occultism
01:04:46I have summarized
01:04:47in this way
01:04:48Stefano already said this
01:04:49yes no but there is something
01:04:50more if I can
01:04:52why Stefano
01:04:53he is a very dear person
01:04:55that I met
01:04:55moreover
01:04:55only this evening
01:04:56but
01:04:58Perhaps
01:05:00more emotionally
01:05:01involved with me
01:05:02he can't put himself
01:05:04to joke
01:05:04or to tell
01:05:05some jokes
01:05:06the problem is this
01:05:07Professor Costa
01:05:08among others
01:05:09excellent
01:05:10wonderful qualities
01:05:11who has
01:05:11he is a person
01:05:12which makes great sense
01:05:13of the mood
01:05:13and so everything he does
01:05:15even things
01:05:15in a certain sense
01:05:16let's say
01:05:17in quotation marks
01:05:17series
01:05:18as a matter of fact
01:05:18to be interested in occultism
01:05:20but let's not say
01:05:21not even occultism
01:05:21to be interested in stories
01:05:22of religions
01:05:24he does it with great humor
01:05:25and then to give an example
01:05:27there was a moment
01:05:28where he had the passion
01:05:29for Egypt
01:05:30for Egyptology
01:05:30and then he called
01:05:31himself
01:05:32and all the others
01:05:33with Egyptian endings
01:05:35he called himself
01:05:36I'll make you laugh
01:05:37Peppe Naton
01:05:40Giulia Naton
01:05:40if he had known her
01:05:41she would have been
01:05:44Corradonaton
01:05:45something like this
01:05:47my sister got pregnant
01:05:48Excuse me
01:05:49I'm wasting time
01:05:50but I have to make him lose it
01:05:51my sister got pregnant
01:05:52what do we call
01:05:53the unborn child
01:05:54what do we call
01:05:55Professor Costa
01:05:56Peppino
01:05:57for me
01:05:57why don't you call him
01:05:59with an Etruscan name
01:05:59we call it
01:06:01Aruns
01:06:01No?
01:06:03and clearly
01:06:03everyone
01:06:04they start laughing
01:06:04but can you imagine?
01:06:05a poor child
01:06:06called Aruns
01:06:07there are bigger names
01:06:08naturally
01:06:09no but I want to say
01:06:10but if my sister
01:06:11he had really put
01:06:12Aruns name to the son
01:06:13Professor Costa
01:06:14he would have said
01:06:14but you're crazy
01:06:15I don't know if I'm making myself clear
01:06:17this is the truth
01:06:18listen
01:06:18But I wouldn't want to
01:06:20that we went
01:06:21on this whole list
01:06:22but I would like
01:06:23that we instead concentrate
01:06:24on that thing I see over there
01:06:25the robbery
01:06:26the robbery
01:06:27which is a point
01:06:28of the adversarial process
01:06:29which we talked about
01:06:31then look
01:06:31first of all
01:06:32I'm amazed
01:06:33as a lawyer
01:06:34and not from
01:06:35let's say as an interested party
01:06:38to this story
01:06:39that it has been violated
01:06:40with such ease
01:06:42the investigative secrecy
01:06:43and that is
01:06:43if I had said
01:06:45certain things
01:06:46I probably would have answered
01:06:47of responsibility
01:06:48very precise
01:06:49the provisions of Article 307
01:06:50of the code
01:06:51of criminal procedure
01:06:51let's forget it
01:06:52rightly
01:06:52etc. etc.
01:06:53this instead
01:06:54in this case
01:06:55he let it slide
01:06:57Attention
01:06:57here we are giving
01:06:59we could give
01:07:00some indications
01:07:01to the real person responsible
01:07:02No?
01:07:03of death
01:07:03of the poor boy
01:07:05now then
01:07:05when it is said
01:07:06there was a robbery
01:07:07he was robbed
01:07:08a clock
01:07:08except that it's not true
01:07:09we'll see why it's not true
01:07:11but you could say
01:07:12since it was a clock
01:07:13very particular
01:07:14since now
01:07:15it was said
01:07:16I can say that too
01:07:17a very special watch
01:07:18could still constitute
01:07:21an element
01:07:22that if found in hand
01:07:23the right person
01:07:24Professor Costa
01:07:25could still recognize
01:07:26and then incriminate
01:07:27the real culprit
01:07:28you realize
01:07:29how important it is
01:07:30this element?
01:07:30Certain
01:07:31Here you are
01:07:31the robbery
01:07:33Professor Costa
01:07:34he never said
01:07:35of having been robbed
01:07:36he told an episode
01:07:38which has been interpreted
01:07:39by whoever was supposed to interpret it
01:07:42like a robbery
01:07:43actually
01:07:44Professor Costa
01:07:45he said something
01:07:46completely different
01:07:47he said that
01:07:48the three
01:07:50dwarfs
01:07:50the three
01:07:51little men
01:07:52they got closer
01:07:54and probably
01:07:56to understand
01:07:57what kind of guy was he?
01:07:58among other things
01:07:58he told me
01:07:58to me personally
01:07:59it's a testimony
01:08:00that I carry
01:08:00I'm not a lawyer here
01:08:01I am a witness
01:08:02that there had been
01:08:03a series
01:08:05let's just say
01:08:06bad words
01:08:07from poor Luciano
01:08:08towards
01:08:09of these people
01:08:10who threw stones
01:08:11and this explains
01:08:12among other things
01:08:13the deposition
01:08:14of that guy
01:08:14who heard
01:08:15the authoritative voices
01:08:16and then
01:08:17these people
01:08:18that at a certain point
01:08:19they saw each other
01:08:21they were
01:08:22I'm not saying attacked
01:08:23but anyway
01:08:23Luciano Tarecani
01:08:25he pounced
01:08:27against these people
01:08:28Now
01:08:28he was a giant
01:08:29two meters
01:08:30and the others
01:08:31they were dwarfs
01:08:32he was a giant
01:08:33two meters
01:08:33now I then
01:08:33I certainly don't want to
01:08:34hold up
01:08:34acting as a defender
01:08:35of These
01:08:36that these
01:08:37they acted
01:08:39in state
01:08:39in self-defense
01:08:40but surely
01:08:41if they shot
01:08:42it's because they had
01:08:43physical fear
01:08:44by Luciano Tarecani
01:08:46this is the truth
01:08:48All right?
01:08:50I can stop it here
01:08:51for now?
01:08:52for the robbery
01:08:52Instead
01:08:52the fact that then
01:08:54he was
01:08:54in a certain sense
01:08:55searched
01:08:56more than
01:08:58plundered
01:08:58searched
01:08:59this happened
01:09:00the clock
01:09:01this one too
01:09:01it's a thing
01:09:02that the professor
01:09:12he didn't leave him
01:09:13fall to the ground
01:09:13it remained in his hand
01:09:14he wasn't robbed
01:09:16we don't say it
01:09:18Professor Costa doesn't say it
01:09:19who was robbed
01:09:20others say so
01:09:21we want to talk
01:09:21of something else?
01:09:23there are many other important things
01:09:25yes but look
01:09:26which I believe then
01:09:26in the second part
01:09:27we will have to go
01:09:28you have to make me say something
01:09:29I want to make a bet
01:09:32with all those present
01:09:33and there are so many of us
01:09:34so
01:09:35there are no rocks in the area
01:09:36Well
01:09:36we're going now
01:09:37in that area
01:09:38and if we find
01:09:39less than a thousand stones
01:09:40I pay for dinner
01:09:42to everyone
01:09:42All right
01:09:43not only
01:09:43there is a photograph
01:09:44I was there
01:09:45an interrogation
01:09:46in front of the captain
01:09:47of the carabinieri
01:09:48Cataldi
01:09:49with a photograph
01:09:50of the dead
01:09:51lying on the road
01:09:52and I asked
01:09:53to Captain Cataldi
01:09:54captain
01:09:55the shadows that can be seen
01:09:56next to the figure
01:09:58of the dead
01:09:58what are they?
01:10:00what is it about?
01:10:01and Captain Cataldi
01:10:02he replied
01:10:03they are stones
01:10:04lawyer
01:10:04lawyer
01:10:05she remembers
01:10:06this thing about the stones
01:10:07because I would like to
01:10:07to come back to it
01:10:08in the second part
01:10:09whenever he wants
01:10:10thank you very much
01:10:11meanwhile
01:10:11while we
01:10:12we are getting ready
01:10:13to this second part
01:10:14which will be soon
01:10:16after the break
01:10:17of the news
01:10:17I would like in this video
01:10:18let's see
01:10:19the reconstruction
01:10:20of the first phase
01:10:21of the investigations
01:10:22Please
01:10:22thank you all
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