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00:05From January to July of 1974, the King County area was engulfed in a wave of fear as young
00:12women were being attacked and murdered with alarming regularity. Bundy once lived in both
00:18Seattle and Tacoma. He's charged in Salt Lake City with aggravated kidnap and attempted murder.
00:24After Ted Bundy is arrested with a gym bag full of suspicious tools in August of 1975,
00:30Utah detective Jerry Thompson and Colorado investigator Mike Fisher believe he's responsible
00:36for murdering women across multiple states. And they are now working together to prove he's the
00:43killer. It's got to be the same guy. We believe it's Bundy. How are we going to make it stick
00:50to him?
00:51But by October of 1975, investigators back in Washington state seemed doubtful that Thompson
00:58and Fisher have the right man out in Utah. The media are the ones that are making him the prime
01:03suspect. We are not. They thought, well, this man has no criminal record. He's in law school. There
01:10was no reason to think someone like that could be connected to these sorts of crimes. Through
01:16detective Jerry Thompson's personal case files given to the producers after he passed away in 2019.
01:23This series reveals how detectives finally came together to stop serial killer Ted Bundy.
01:30He's got eyes on him that you won't get.
01:33These files include never before seen crime scene photos.
01:38These are hard to look at.
01:40Audio files of Thompson and Fisher interviewing Ted Bundy.
01:44And recordings from an historic meeting of investigators across the western U.S.
01:55Earlier in questioning that he denied being in Colorado at all.
02:00But in October of 1975, Fisher and Thompson are still on their own, desperate to find enough
02:07evidence to prove that Ted Bundy is the killer.
02:11I'm going to ask you real specifically. Did you meet a young lady at Snowmass and Aspen, Colorado
02:16on January the 12th?
02:19No, I didn't.
02:20Well.
02:36With Ted Bundy in jail awaiting trial for the kidnapping and attempted murder of Carol Durange,
02:42Utah detective Jerry Thompson and Colorado investigator Mike Fisher are determined to gather as much hard
02:49evidence as they can to ensure Ted Bundy is locked up for good.
02:55Fisher realizes that Bundy's gas credit card receipts may provide a critical timeline of his movements.
03:03Mike Fisher knew someone who worked at the credit card company who was able to pull Ted's receipts.
03:08He physically went to their office, started looking through them, then realized what he had.
03:15So Fisher started walking out the door, and the person working the desk said,
03:19you need a subpoena for those, and he said, oh, we'll get one.
03:23While Fisher is tracking down the gas receipts, back in Utah,
03:28Detective Jerry Thompson gets a warrant to search Bundy's car for evidence,
03:32but finds that the VW bug is missing.
03:35He soon learns that Bundy sold the car just six weeks prior, right after he was caught with the burglary
03:42tools.
03:43Bundy realized that the police were hot on his trail, and so he put a car-for-sale ad in
03:50the Deseret News.
03:52It says, 68 VW sedan, very good condition, sunroof.
03:57And he listed it for $800.
03:59It was naive.
04:00He was trying to offload the evidence.
04:02It's not as if the car was going to, you know, disappear into the Salt Lake or anything like that.
04:06The car was still there.
04:08A teenager who actually knew Melissa Smith went to the same high school.
04:12He bought the car. It was his first car.
04:14The kid wanted to keep it, so we paid him the money that he gave Bundy so that we could
04:20keep the car.
04:21He was really surprised when he found out whose car it was.
04:25The day after Ted Bundy is charged for the Carol Durant's kidnapping,
04:30Detective Thompson and Sergeant Forbes rip apart his VW bug, looking for evidence of a crime.
04:39See, this vendor's been redone.
04:41Yeah, it's an amateur Bondo job.
04:45Going through the vehicle, we're open for hair samples or any flood.
04:54The only thing I can say, there is definitely longer, long girl's hair in there.
04:59He is able to find a good amount of hair, which he sends off to the FBI forensics headquarters in
05:07Washington, D.C.
05:08The FBI lab concludes that hairs from Bundy's bug are, quote,
05:13microscopically similar to the hairs of Melissa Smith, Carol Durant, and Karen Campbell.
05:20But this is the mid-1970s, over a decade before the use of DNA evidence in criminal investigations.
05:27So is the hair enough to tie Bundy to these crimes?
05:31At the time, they didn't have the forensics that we have now.
05:35They couldn't say with certainty that these were from the same person.
05:39You can say the hair we found in Mr. Bundy's Volkswagen was similar, can never say match.
05:48In Utah, with little hard evidence in hand for the Carol Durant's case,
05:52the prosecution is relying heavily on her testimony.
05:59Then the investigators are shocked to discover that the judge is reducing Bundy's bail
06:04from $100,000 to $15,000 for reasons that aren't clear to any of them.
06:12That's almost telling the public that the judge reduced it because he's probably not guilty.
06:20We were angry.
06:22He could just disappear on us.
06:25And we thought, how could they let it happen?
06:29I was gut sick that he might kill some more women.
06:37But before Bundy has time to raise the money for bail, Detective Thompson throws a Hail Mary.
06:45We decided that he was still in jail.
06:47We were going to give it a shot.
06:48We brought him out of the jail at the captain's office.
06:51We told him what he was there for, that we did want to tap between death, these vicious rumors that
06:57was going around of all these other crimes.
06:59I can understand the mindset, at least, of, hey, we have what might be a serial killer getting ready to
07:05post bond.
07:06They know he likes to talk.
07:08He might say something.
07:09He might slip up.
07:10On November 3rd, 1975, for the first time ever, Ted Bundy is about to be confronted by detectives on tape
07:19over his possible role in multiple murders.
07:27Why don't you pull your chair up here, Ted?
07:29Bring me the papers and slide this out if you like right there.
07:31Nice.
07:38Treating you any good in the jail, Ted?
07:39Yeah, but, um, you learn a lot.
07:41I've learned a great deal from my fellow inmates.
07:43Not all of it good.
07:45I hate to say that everybody knows it, but being in jail, some of these guys are good teachers.
07:51Well, once you have your degree in psychology or psychology or sociology?
07:55Psychology.
07:56Psychology was an interesting study, but it just didn't offer enough.
08:02I mean, the state of the art is so low.
08:04What can you know about your fellow human being aside from what he does over a bit?
08:08And to try to get inside his mind is just difficult to take a chance.
08:13It's a smart thing to do, shooting the breeze with him.
08:16I spend a lot more time in an interview with my mouth shut and their mouth open.
08:21And that was just good police work, thinking maybe if I get him angered or something, he'll slip.
08:28Have you ever been married, Ted?
08:31No.
08:32Close a couple times, but, um, I suppose I look back on it, and I'd like to have been married,
08:37and I could have been married earlier, but I think...
08:39How old are you, Ted?
08:4028.
08:4128?
08:41Oh, well, it's a long time.
08:43Well, sure.
08:44I mean, I know, on the one hand, it's always a pressure to be married, to be secure, to have
08:47children, something that I always want to do.
08:51But on the other hand, there's professional considerations, and I felt I didn't want to drag my wife and children
08:55through the times of hard work and sacrifice.
09:00We tried to explain to him, we wanted to give him his great opportunity to clear these vicious rumors.
09:09We have asked Ted to come up here today to talk to him in regards to numerous homicides in the
09:15Utah surrounding states area.
09:18He stated he wanted his attorney present, so we advised him his rights, and called his attorney on a phone.
09:27John, Jerry Thompson calling, how are you?
09:31Hey, John, your client would like to have you come on over.
09:34Okay.
09:35Thanks, John.
09:37It's only, uh, I'm paying the man, so I think it's only wise to have him present.
09:41He would hit the advice of the man talking to us, of course.
09:44When Bundy's lawyer finds out that detectives are interviewing his client without him present, he isn't happy.
09:53Yes.
09:54Yes.
10:07Well, I thought I was going to court until the man took me out of the cage and said I
10:10was coming up here.
10:14John O'Connell, really long hair, wore cowboy hats, cowboy boots, smart, aggressive, good lawyer, good person.
10:23He's in the sheriff's custody pursuant to a warrant issued by the court, but I don't think that means the
10:28sheriff's office owns his body and that you can move him around as well.
10:33Well, I think that we're going to go ahead, John, and ask some questions, and at that point, if you
10:37wish to object or tell your client not to answer the questions or whatever, if you have that right to
10:43do so.
10:43That's why we called you over here.
10:45I guess there's nothing I can do about it.
10:48Ted tried to answer two or three times, and his attorney made up and shut him out and told him
10:53to shut up.
10:54At no time did he want to deny any questions that he was asked.
11:00Well, you can see the position you put me in now.
11:02Well, Ted, just let me handle a thing.
11:04I need to persuade him.
11:07How long have you been in Salt Lake?
11:11Just a minute.
11:12Just do what you're told, huh?
11:14Let's see.
11:16Refuses to answer that question.
11:17Refuses to answer that question now, sir?
11:20I don't believe at the beginning or the outset of this interview that we got your date of birth, because
11:26that's a question he refuses to answer.
11:30After Bundy refuses to answer any of Thompson's questions, Captain Hayward takes one last big swing.
11:38I'm going to ask you some pretty pointed questions at this time, and I feel that your attorney will give
11:44you the best advice possible.
11:46I can't seem to do anything about it.
11:49You ask us whether or not we want to talk, which you're required to do by the law, and your
11:53answer is no.
11:54I think under the law that means you stop trying to interrogate them.
11:59I can't, I can't.
12:00You've got a gun and I don't, so you win.
12:05You know me better now, John.
12:08Ted, have you ever committed murder?
12:12Who's to answer that?
12:16John, I don't know.
12:18What?
12:22The interview's terminated according to my watch at about 221.
12:28It doesn't sound like they extracted much information from him, but they're to play that to other investigators who might
12:34be on the fence about Bundy as a suspect for whatever reason.
12:36And certainly hearing him refuse to answer if he's ever murdered anybody may strike a chord.
12:42That may have been what they were going for.
12:43Despite the unsuccessful attempt to get Bundy to incriminate himself, Detective Jerry Thompson and investigator Mike Fisher are more convinced
12:53than ever that Bundy is their man.
12:55And they hear that detectives in Washington state are now coming around to their way of thinking.
13:01Somebody came out and said, well, we can't say that Utah Ted is Seattle's Ted, but we can't say he's
13:08not either.
13:09And they kept this up for a little while, but all the cops knew.
13:12So Thompson contacts the lead detectives in Seattle and persuades them to meet in Aspen with the promise of new
13:20evidence to share.
13:24On November 13th and 14th, 1975, over two dozen investigators from Utah, Colorado and Washington meet in Aspen for what
13:34would become known as the Aspen Summit.
13:37It's an extraordinary moment in law enforcement history with agencies from multiple states meeting to discuss one suspect, Ted Bundy.
13:49It was a brilliant idea to get all of these investigators together to compare notes.
13:56There's still something to be said for being in the same room with people and sharing information that comes up.
14:01Just seeing a look on somebody's face and a detail that sort of jogs someone's memory and said, oh, yeah,
14:07that's like the Amy case or that's like the Parks case.
14:10Jerry Thompson and Mike Fisher have an ace up their sleeves.
14:14A judge issued a subpoena for Ted Bundy's gas card receipts, and they're ready to reveal their findings.
14:21Why don't you quickly run through those credit cards, Jerry?
14:23Somebody might be interested in those dates and places.
14:27Karen Campbell is Fisher's original case in Colorado.
14:32He is specifically looking for Ted's whereabouts on about January 12th when she disappeared.
14:38One of the receipts that he finds places him just outside of Snowmass in Glenwood Springs, basically puts him in
14:48the area on the exact day of her disappearance.
14:51January of 75, he's in Salt Lake.
14:54On the 12th, he's in Glenwood Springs, Colorado, two times.
15:00That is a huge deal that pretty much breaks the case wide open.
15:04Fisher knew he doesn't have to search anymore.
15:07It's Bundy.
15:08And that applies to all three Colorado victims.
15:11Up until the 13th of March, he's in Salt Lake.
15:15The 15th, he guesses, in Golden, Colorado, Silverthorne, Colorado, Dillon, Colorado.
15:22All on the same day?
15:23Yeah, all on the 15th.
15:24March 15th is when, uh, you met him, Julie.
15:29Right.
15:29That's Julie's missing out of Bay.
15:32In April 6th, when they come up, he was in Grand Junction.
15:37Yeah.
15:38Right.
15:39And that's when their baller, some girls, apparently missing out of Grand Junction.
15:44We reach a point where Mike Fisher has now tagged Bundy very close to these areas.
15:49And on the same day, the women in Colorado disappeared.
15:53So, earlier in a questioning, did he deny he'd been in Colorado at all or anything?
15:58Yeah, it was his first state in the Long Wendy's apartment.
16:00He said, that's one state I've never been in.
16:03He lied to him and said he'd never been to Colorado.
16:06He was just the classic sociopath.
16:09I know better than you do.
16:11All of this circumstantial evidence is starting to mount.
16:14And for the first time, they're able to see what the other guys have.
16:19One of the things that tied the Washington and the Colorado and the Utah cases together
16:24was what lawyers called similar transactions.
16:27That they looked similar in lots of ways.
16:29That what they began to see and know about the cases were these abductions, the disguises.
16:34The Carol de Raunch attempted kidnapping was very similar to what we experienced up here.
16:41A Volkswagen, a young guy, gift of gab, trying to get her into the car to help him.
16:47So they started to put it together.
16:50I read the whole transcript of the Aspen meeting.
16:54And actually, one of the clerical staff wrote like a poem about it.
16:59Sitting at my typewriter, sunlight streaming through the window,
17:03a two-day fatigued snowfall submitting reluctantly to the warm rays.
17:09What strange quirk of fate or combination of genes separates the heroes from the monsters?
17:18Watching dedicated men striving to put together the pieces of a puzzle
17:22that boggles the mind at its sheer, unbelievably terrifying magnitude.
17:28What kind of twisted mind could spend endless time
17:32plotting the demise of young women who have barely tasted life?
17:39I pray for endurance for the dedicated men.
17:43Mary F. Wiggins, Deputy, Pitkin County Sheriff's Department.
17:49By the end of the Aspen Summit, detectives are in agreement.
17:53Ted Bundy is the man responsible for murders across multiple states,
17:57stretching from Washington to Colorado.
18:00But the odds of nailing him for the Washington murders are extremely low,
18:05given the lack of evidence.
18:08Thompson said, they said to us,
18:10it's you Utah guys who have the best chance of putting them away.
18:14We don't have anything else yet.
18:16Investigator Mike Fisher continues searching for more evidence
18:19to tie Bundy to the Colorado murders,
18:22while Detective Jerry Thompson prepares for the upcoming Carol Durant's trial.
18:27But then, Thompson's worst-case scenario comes true.
18:34One week after the Aspen Summit,
18:37Ted Bundy's parents successfully raised the money to post his bail,
18:41and Bundy is released pending trial.
18:47During the preliminary hearings for the Durant's kidnapping trial,
18:51Bundy is standing outside the courthouse with his attorney grandstanding,
18:56for lack of a better word,
18:58showing the press and the public what a likable, charming guy he is.
19:03Funny thing happened to me on the way to labor law class one morning.
19:06I got two weeks in the spa on the third floor up here.
19:09And yes, I intend to complete my legal education
19:12and become a lawyer and be a damn good lawyer.
19:15Sometimes I wonder if Ted didn't truly believe
19:17that he was going to get through all this
19:18and go on to become governor of a state or a high-profile attorney.
19:23Clients should never talk to the press.
19:25Ted liked to just, like, play with people.
19:28Surprised? I don't know. I didn't know what to expect.
19:30I've never been in a jail before. I've never been arrested before.
19:33In another blow to the investigator's case,
19:37six days after Bundy posts bail,
19:39the judge drops the attempted murder charge for the Carol Durant attack,
19:44leaving only the less serious kidnapping charge.
19:47With no travel restrictions while out on bail,
19:51Ted Bundy uses the opportunity to head back home.
19:56Around Thanksgiving, he moves from Salt Lake back to Seattle,
20:02where they put him on surveillance.
20:07They hired a couple psychiatrists to do a profile of him,
20:12and they said it's going to be of maximum importance
20:17that you not just surveil him,
20:19but make sure he knows he's being surveilled.
20:23Because if you don't do this,
20:25he's going to feel very comfortable,
20:27and he may find another victim and murder her.
20:31He would try and sneak out to drive away
20:34when they weren't watching him in the middle of the night
20:36or just try and evade them.
20:40I met Ted when he was released from custody in Utah,
20:46and he asked me to represent him.
20:49He told me that,
20:50well, there's this pitiful little thing in Utah
20:53that really isn't worth much,
20:56and he tried to minimize things,
20:58and I said, no, you shouldn't minimize it.
21:00This is extremely serious.
21:02You're in big trouble.
21:04It's a major task force investigation,
21:07and you're it.
21:16The day Utah detectives have been anxiously awaiting
21:19finally arrives.
21:22Ted Bundy stands trial for the kidnapping of Carol Durange.
21:27He waives his right to a jury,
21:29so the verdict will be solely up to the judge.
21:33Carol Durange was our star witness.
21:36You have to keep in mind,
21:37she had to walk into a courtroom
21:39and testify against a man wherein he had supporters.
21:43He had people saying, oh, you're wrong.
21:45This is a good guy.
21:47This is an educated man.
21:48This is somebody that you would want to be your neighbor.
21:53She wasn't intimidated.
21:54She was very detailed.
21:56She was a scared girl,
21:58and that's why she remembered.
22:03One person I was worried about the most
22:06during the trial was Chief Smith,
22:08because he was convinced Ted killed his daughter, you know.
22:11You believe Ted Bundy killed your daughter?
22:13I do.
22:14I believe that with all my heart.
22:15I feel it.
22:16We had to search him outside the courtroom
22:19every session for fear he would be wanting to kill Ted.
22:24I sat next to the prosecutor, Dave Yoakam.
22:29We were anxious the whole time.
22:31There's never a case you're totally convinced
22:33that you're going to win.
22:38On the evening of November the 8th, 1974,
22:42Carol DeRange parked her car at the fashion mall.
22:44Shortly after began what she now calls her personal nightmare.
22:49And now, Ted Bundy is convicted with kidnapping Carol DeRange.
22:54Theodore Robert Bundy at age 25,
22:57a Republican campaign worker in Seattle.
22:59At 28, a University of Utah law student.
23:01At 29, a convicted Utah kidnapper.
23:09We did our job guilty.
23:13It was yah-hoo, you know.
23:17We got that son of a gun.
23:20We didn't say gun.
23:23When he was convicted of DeRange's kidnapping,
23:26there was a sigh of relief to the community.
23:30Carol DeRange is a heroic figure.
23:32She stood up to him, and the horror of it,
23:36where would he have stopped?
23:39Bundy will be sentenced in 90 days.
23:42He faces 1 to 15 years in state prison.
23:46This is not a murder conviction,
23:47which means that he could be back on the streets
23:50as soon as a year later.
23:52Back in Colorado, Fisher looked at that,
23:55thinking, no, that's not enough.
23:56I need to get a murder warrant placed against this guy.
23:59So, Mike Fisher travels to Utah
24:03to interview Ted Bundy about the Karen Campbell murder.
24:07Bundy defies his own attorney's advice
24:10and agrees to meet with investigator Fisher,
24:13convinced he can talk his way out of the trouble he's in.
24:16He's still in the catch-me-if-you-can phase.
24:19He hasn't quite put it together
24:20that he's in really deep water.
24:23A psychiatrist said Bundy thinks he's in a play,
24:27and he's the lead actor,
24:29and, you know, he's going to outsmart the cops,
24:31but he doesn't know that the end of the play
24:34may culminate in his execution.
24:38Bundy's attorney is present,
24:40but what Ted doesn't realize
24:41is that investigator Fisher
24:43is now armed with the gas card receipts.
24:47Placing Bundy near the scenes
24:48of all three Colorado murders.
24:55This is the 11th of March of 1976.
25:03We're primarily going to be talking to Ted
25:08about his presence in Colorado
25:10in, or about January, 1975.
25:14Mr. Bundy has been subjected
25:17to these Kafka-type interrogations before.
25:22I think that it ought to start out
25:24with you telling us what you're investigating.
25:28Okay, what were your court doing?
25:31Specifically,
25:33a murder which evolved
25:34to the young lady by the young Karen Campbell.
25:36It occurred near Aspen
25:39on January 12th, 1975.
25:44General, January 1975,
25:47Ted, were you ever in the state of Colorado?
25:51Possibly.
25:52Hmm.
25:53It's possible.
25:54I can't say it for sure.
25:56I can't say it for sure.
25:56Ted, you talked to Detective Jerry Towson.
26:00Did you tell him that you had never been
26:02to the state of Colorado?
26:07I believe so.
26:09I think there's some dispute
26:11as to what was said on those occasions.
26:13As Detective Thompson was rumbling through my house
26:16and I was sitting there,
26:17I don't think I was really thinking
26:20so much about the questions
26:21as a reason for them being there
26:25and turning my house upside down.
26:26So I really couldn't tell you
26:28why I said Detective Thompson
26:30that was possible, any certainty.
26:32How many times did he say
26:34to Colorado that you can remember?
26:37Two or three.
26:40He's not saying he was there,
26:41he's not saying he wasn't.
26:42And then he says,
26:43on my two trips to Colorado.
26:45So as psychopaths do,
26:47they're their own worst enemies.
26:49Ted, I'm going to show you
26:51a gas record here.
26:53It's the day of January 12th, 1975.
26:58That's from...
27:00a gas station
27:03from Glenwood Springs, Colorado.
27:06Do you recall making that good of a skit?
27:08Well, not specifically.
27:11I certainly would deny
27:12that it's my sister from a gas receipt,
27:14but I don't even know
27:15how to make of that particular purchase.
27:17Mm-hmm.
27:18That's where he started to get rattled.
27:21He's constantly cutting the ground out
27:23from under him.
27:24If he's such a smart legal mind,
27:26it's certainly not at work here.
27:28I'm sure Bunny's attorney
27:30was cringing at that point,
27:31but he didn't interrupt.
27:34Why would you take such a trip from Salt Lake City?
27:38Well, mainly to get away
27:39from Salt Lake City.
27:43Examinations,
27:43lots of little examinations
27:44were coming up during that time.
27:46Do you remember being in Grand Junction, Colorado, last year?
27:50I remember having passed through it
27:52on occasion looking for a gas station
27:54because gas stations are few and far between in that area.
28:00How many times do you think you've been in Grand Junction?
28:03I couldn't tell you, at least once.
28:07I'm going to ask you real specifically,
28:08did you meet a young lady
28:11in Snowmass in Aspen, Colorado,
28:13on January the 12th?
28:15That's a Sunday,
28:16and it's in the evening.
28:18Did you meet a woman
28:20anywhere near that area
28:21on January the 12th of 1975?
28:24No, I didn't.
28:30You can almost see him saying,
28:32oh, I made a mistake.
28:34I've got to, you know.
28:35But if I met a young woman,
28:37I would have remembered it.
28:38I would remember it now,
28:40but as I say,
28:40my purpose in being there
28:41was to sort of get away
28:43and be by myself and think.
28:47I'm going to come out real quick.
28:50I want a truthful answer to this.
28:52On January the 12th, 1975,
28:56did you kill that young lady
28:57up there near Snowmass in Aspen, Colorado?
29:01I certainly didn't kill anyone anywhere,
29:04and wherever it was,
29:06I didn't kill anyone.
29:08But you don't recall
29:09any of the occurrences
29:11that happened on that trip?
29:14I wasn't paying a great deal
29:16of attention to specific places
29:19or signposts
29:21or mileage travel,
29:23but one thing you would remember,
29:26if you meet someone,
29:27you'd remember,
29:28especially if you've
29:29struck up a relationship with them.
29:31And as far as the question,
29:33did I kill anyone?
29:34I certainly didn't.
29:36And that's...
29:38Sounds kind of absurd to say so,
29:40but you remember
29:40it does something like that.
29:42I certainly didn't.
29:45If somebody kills somebody,
29:47you know,
29:47they would remember it.
29:49Isn't that odd
29:50that he would make
29:51a statement like that,
29:52that he couldn't come up
29:53with a better answer
29:55than that?
29:56This is a reckless interview.
29:58It's all such a grim game
30:01that he's playing.
30:27But he prided himself
30:28on never blacking out.
30:29He said,
30:30I remember everything
30:31that I ever did.
30:32And he wasn't wrong.
30:33He did remember it.
30:34He just wasn't going to tell him.
30:38He admitted his signature.
30:40He admitted he was driving
30:41around in Colorado.
30:42He then admitted,
30:43yes,
30:43I had to be at that location
30:45because I signed for gas.
30:46So the Mike Fisher interview
30:48with Bundy
30:49turned out to be devastating
30:51because Bundy got to a place
30:52where he couldn't deny anymore.
30:56That's basically the kind
30:58of pressure Fisher brought
30:59to Bundy.
31:01Anybody that had exposure
31:04and potential liability
31:06like he had
31:07would refuse
31:09to do that interview.
31:10But Bundy did it
31:12because he thought
31:13he was smarter
31:14than all the cops.
31:16and that just further
31:18underscores his arrogance.
31:28On June 30th, 1976,
31:31Ted Bundy is sentenced
31:32to one to 15 years
31:33in prison
31:34for kidnapping
31:35Carol Durant.
31:38For the detectives,
31:40it's not enough
31:41by a long shot.
31:42So investigator Mike Fisher
31:44makes it his personal mission
31:45to get charges
31:47filed against Bundy
31:48for the murder
31:49of Karen Campbell.
31:51After months of effort
31:52using the gas receipts,
31:54physical evidence,
31:55and Bundy's inability
31:56to explain his trips
31:58to Colorado,
32:00Fisher achieves
32:01what no other detective
32:02has been able to do.
32:04He convinces
32:05his district attorney
32:06to charge Ted Bundy
32:07with murder.
32:09Bundy is then extradited
32:11to Colorado.
32:13Convicted kidnapper,
32:14Theodore Bundy
32:15is on his way
32:16to Aspen, Colorado,
32:17where he will stand trial
32:18for first-degree murder.
32:20In a surprise move
32:21this morning,
32:21Bundy told a Utah judge
32:23he did not want
32:23to fight extradition.
32:25Bundy is accused
32:26of murdering Karen Campbell
32:27of Dearborn, Michigan.
32:28She was vacationing
32:29in Aspen
32:30at the time of her death.
32:32On January 28th, 1977,
32:35Fisher arrives
32:35at the Utah State Prison
32:37to pick up Bundy
32:38to transfer him
32:39back to Colorado.
32:40Did you expect him
32:40to waive extradition
32:41or was that a surprise?
32:45This quickly,
32:46I don't know
32:48whether it was really
32:48a surprise or something
32:50that we expected.
32:51You know,
32:51he had so many alternatives
32:52to go.
32:53We just came prepared
32:53for the hearing
32:54and we didn't have it.
32:55The prosecution's case
32:56is not strong.
32:57To bolster it,
32:58they're trying to bring in
32:59evidence from Bundy's
33:00kidnapping conviction
33:01in Utah
33:02and evidence
33:03from the unsolved murder
33:04of Melissa Smith
33:05of Medvale.
33:06Mr. Bundy,
33:06what do you think
33:07of the prosecution
33:07trying to bring in
33:08these outside crimes?
33:10I think they're
33:10pretty desperate.
33:17Fisher had finally
33:18accomplished
33:18what he had set out
33:19to do,
33:20which was bringing
33:21the killer
33:22of Karen Campbell
33:23to justice.
33:24Jerry Thompson,
33:25Mike Fisher
33:26are the heroes
33:27of this Bundy story
33:29because if it wouldn't
33:30have been for those
33:31two men
33:32working so closely
33:33together,
33:34he might have gone
33:35for years
33:36and not been apprehended.
33:40as news
33:41of the extradition
33:42hits the press,
33:43Bundy puts out
33:44his own press release
33:46saying that he is
33:47more confident
33:47than ever
33:48in his innocence
33:48and that he will
33:49beat the murder charges
33:50and get his kidnapping
33:52conviction overturned.
33:53Let's just wait
33:54and let's just let it
33:55come out in court.
33:56Let's let it be examined
33:57in open court
33:58and I'll lay my money
34:00on me.
34:01Even his most
34:02credulous friends
34:04and family members
34:05had to doubt
34:06this fiction
34:07that he was going
34:08to make everything
34:08go away.
34:15But it turns out
34:16Ted Bundy
34:18has a plan.
34:19On June 7, 1977,
34:22Bundy is at
34:23the Peking County
34:24Courthouse
34:25in Aspen
34:25when he spots
34:26the opportunity
34:27he's been waiting for.
34:29As he was partially
34:31serving as his own
34:32attorney,
34:33he was given
34:33permission
34:34to access
34:35the law library
34:36which was in
34:37the back
34:37of the courtroom
34:38at the time.
34:40Bundy was very sharp.
34:43He would
34:44file motions
34:45so that he had
34:47to go to Aspen
34:48so that he could
34:50design his escape.
34:53Nick Eisenberg
34:54was a reporter
34:55for 56 years
34:57and covered
34:58the Bundy story
34:59when Ted was in jail
35:00when Ted was in jail
35:00in Colorado.
35:09It was a court recess
35:10and he had been
35:12given permission
35:12from the judge
35:13to not be shackled
35:14while in the courtroom
35:15and he was allowed
35:17to wander around
35:19the law library.
35:21There were also
35:22several tall windows
35:23at the back
35:24of the courtroom.
35:26He has two sets
35:28of clothes on
35:28and combat boots
35:30and he jumped
35:31out the second
35:32story window.
35:35And the only reason
35:37they knew it
35:38was this lady
35:39walks in
35:40and says,
35:41is it unusual
35:42for people
35:43to be jumping
35:43out of your windows?
35:45Bundy made his escape
35:46by jumping out
35:47of this two-story window.
35:48Today,
35:49his footprints remain.
35:51And they suddenly
35:52realized Bundy
35:54had escaped.
35:59Dumb son of a bitches,
36:00how could they
36:01let it happen?
36:02I mean,
36:02we were angry.
36:03He ended up
36:04just getting lost
36:05in the mountains.
36:08At two this morning,
36:09after being loose
36:10for six days,
36:11Bundy was captured
36:12by Pitkin County
36:13officers Maureen Higgins
36:14and Jean Flatt.
36:15I think he was
36:16pretty tired.
36:17He was cooperative
36:19in that he
36:19pretended to search
36:21for his license
36:21when we asked for it.
36:23What the jailers
36:24couldn't do,
36:25the Wilds of Colorado did.
36:26Hi, Ted.
36:27How you doing?
36:28Good, how are you?
36:29Uh, here.
36:32Ted Bundy
36:33is transferred
36:34from Aspen
36:34to the Garfield County
36:36Jail
36:36in nearby
36:36Glenwood Springs,
36:38which is said
36:39to be more secure.
36:41Every day
36:42when I did rounds,
36:44I'd come by
36:45and talk to him
36:46while he was
36:47using the phone.
36:48On his birthday,
36:50someone bought him
36:51a birthday cake
36:52and he blew the candles
36:54out through the bars.
36:56One thing he'd learned,
36:57I think,
36:58by being in jail
36:59is he'd learned
37:00how to talk
37:00to law enforcement people,
37:02to flatter them,
37:03to sort of win
37:04their sympathy.
37:06Bundy heard
37:07that another cell
37:09at one time
37:10has been used
37:11for storage.
37:11and all the cells
37:14had a one square foot
37:16light above the cells
37:18and the lights
37:19had been welded
37:21in the place.
37:23But the cell
37:24that was used
37:25for storage,
37:26the light wasn't welded.
37:28So Bundy
37:30talked his way
37:31into being transferred
37:32to that cell.
37:38Convicted kidnapper
37:39Theodore Bundy
37:40has escaped
37:41from jail
37:41in Colorado.
37:42This time,
37:43Bundy fled
37:44the Garfield County
37:45jail
37:45in Glenwood Springs.
37:47Ted Bundy
37:47has escaped
37:48in more than once.
37:50How could this happen?
37:51The jailers
37:52are just no good
37:53at what they do.
37:54I call them
37:54geese stone gobs.
37:56It just amazed us
37:57that this violent criminal
37:59could escape
38:00so many times.
38:02On the very day
38:03that Bundy
38:04goes missing,
38:05Jerry Thompson
38:05picks up his phone
38:07and calls the jail
38:08trying to get
38:08to the bottom
38:09of what happened
38:09and how he got out.
38:11Hello, Sheriff.
38:12This is Jerry Thompson,
38:13Sheriff's office
38:14in Salt Lake.
38:19Now, how did he
38:20get out of the cell, Sheriff?
38:22Well, they tore
38:23a light fixture
38:24out of there
38:24years ago
38:25and we've never
38:26been able to get
38:27the damn welders in here.
38:28They don't like
38:28to come in and work.
38:30He just went out
38:30through there.
38:31It's about a foot
38:31square hole.
38:32But then does that
38:33get him outside
38:34of the jail
38:34or just into another area?
38:36No, it got him
38:36into the jailer's apartment
38:38and then they've got
38:39a front door
38:40on that apartment
38:41which leads out
38:41into the street
38:42and he just walked
38:43out that-a-way.
38:44I see.
38:45And he fixed
38:45his bunk
38:46so that he looked
38:47like he was in there
38:48and he stuffed
38:49one of the sleeves
38:51of the shirt
38:51with paper
38:52and put it out
38:53from under the cover,
38:55you see,
38:55so it looked like
38:56he was laying
38:56on his side
38:57and his arm
38:57was out
38:58from under the cover.
38:58Mm-hmm.
38:59One of the oldest
39:00ruse
39:01as there are.
39:03Have we got a time limit
39:04on him at all, Sheriff?
39:07Oh, Christ,
39:07I wish I could answer
39:08that one.
39:09I was eating lunch
39:10at home
39:11and they called me
39:11at 1210
39:12and said that
39:13the Bundy was missing.
39:15Come to find out,
39:16no one has seen him
39:17since about
39:18seven last evening.
39:21When Fisher heard
39:22about the second escape,
39:24he practically
39:24came unglued.
39:25The first thing
39:26he thought of
39:26was if they don't
39:28catch him
39:29like they did
39:30the last time,
39:30we won't hear
39:31of it for a while,
39:32but he's going
39:33to kill again.
39:34Bundy,
39:35according to Mike Fisher,
39:36chief investigator
39:37for the DA's office,
39:38is a dangerous man
39:39and folks just
39:40don't seem to realize it
39:41and said the sheriff
39:42was criminally negligent
39:43for allowing Bundy
39:44to escape.
39:47All of us felt angry
39:49because we told them
39:50now if you can't
39:51keep him in custody,
39:52safety,
39:53we'll bring him
39:54back to Utah
39:55and we'll bring him
39:57over for your trial
39:58and they said,
39:59oh no,
40:00we'll never let him
40:01escape.
40:03I don't know
40:03if there's any indication
40:04we'll come back
40:04here in the area,
40:05but we wanted to get
40:06a broadcast
40:06and everything out
40:07as soon as we could.
40:08I'll appreciate
40:09anything you can do.
40:11Well, I'm concerned
40:12that, like I mentioned
40:14before,
40:14that this is
40:14individual
40:15that had been
40:16on the street
40:16and we, of course,
40:17take all necessary
40:18precautions
40:20with our witnesses
40:21that testified
40:22against him
40:22in our case here.
40:23The monster
40:24has been set free again.
40:26It was a nightmare
40:27scenario for a lot
40:29of people,
40:29especially if you
40:30happen to look
40:31like a Ted Bundy victim.
40:42He drove down
40:43to Tallahassee, Florida
40:44where he took on a new name
40:46and moved into a boarding
40:48house and pretended
40:50to be a student.
40:51He'd been unable
40:52to kill anyone
40:53for such a long time
40:54that the need
40:56for murder
40:57could not be controlled.
40:59He broke into
41:00a sorority house
41:02at Florida State University,
41:05murdered two coeds
41:06as they slept in their bed
41:08and injured two more.
41:11He broke into another young woman's home
41:13near campus,
41:14almost killed her.
41:17Three weeks later,
41:18Bundy drives
41:19100 miles east
41:20to Lake City, Florida
41:21where he abducts
41:23and murders
41:23a 12-year-old girl.
41:25She will end up
41:27being his final victim
41:28before his apprehension.
41:32Ted Bundy moved
41:33from a Salt Lake
41:34to a regional
41:35to a national crime figure.
41:37They didn't know
41:38who Ted Bundy was,
41:39he would recall later.
41:40I told the officer
41:41who arrested me
41:42he should make sergeant.
41:47Theodore Robert Bundy,
41:48now easily one of the nation's
41:50most famous criminals ever,
41:51seemed cool,
41:52his face blank,
41:53as Judge Edward Coward
41:54imposed two sentences of death.
41:56The beating was vicious,
41:58vile,
41:59and wicked,
41:59and atrocious.
42:01It is further ordered
42:02that on such scheduled day
42:04that you be put to death
42:05by a current of electricity
42:07sufficient to cause
42:08your immediate death,
42:10and such current of electricity
42:12shall continue
42:13to pass through your body
42:15until you are dead.
42:16Hundreds of people
42:17lined up outside the prison,
42:19some carrying signs
42:20cheering on the execution.
42:21One man sewed t-shirts
42:23reading, quote,
42:24Byrne Bundy Byrne.
42:25He's had this coming
42:26a long time,
42:27and I just want to be here
42:28and say that's all I need.
42:30Do you deserve the punishment
42:31the state has inflicted upon you?
42:38Two jolts of electrical current
42:39from the Stark,
42:40Florida prison generator,
42:41and it was all over.
42:42A little after 7 a.m.,
42:44lights outside the execution chamber
42:46dimmed several times.
42:48At 7.17,
42:50witnesses to the execution
42:51stepped outside,
42:52signaling to reporters
42:53that Bundy was dead.
42:58I never really believed people
42:59were born evil
43:01until I met Ted,
43:03and I think he was born evil.
43:09I felt for years
43:10that we missed something
43:12that could have made a difference,
43:14that could have got Bundy
43:16arrested and charged
43:19and saved a whole lot of lives.
43:22I packed that around
43:23for a long time.
43:27He got what he deserved,
43:31although I don't believe
43:32in the death penalty.
43:34It makes me feel good
43:36that he's no longer able
43:37to look out of those eyes.
43:40More cheers
43:41when the hearse drove off
43:42with Bundy's remains.
43:56Well, I really feel
43:57that this guy probably
43:58has killed at least 50
44:01and maybe 75.
44:04He told me it was over 100.
44:13Today,
44:15more than three decades
44:16after his execution,
44:18the search continues
44:20for more Ted Bundy victims.
44:23In January 1989,
44:26just about two days
44:27before his execution,
44:28Ted Bundy confessed
44:30to an abduction and homicide
44:31in 1974
44:33of a female
44:34whom he claims
44:35he picked up hitchhiking
44:37just east of Boise.
44:40I investigate cold cases
44:42for the Ada County Sheriff's Office.
44:45This one bothers me a lot.
44:51In approximately
44:53early September 1974,
44:56I was moving my belongings
44:58from Seattle to Salt Lake City.
45:00Somewhere very close to
45:03on the outskirts of Boise.
45:05I picked up
45:07a young woman
45:09who was hitchhiking.
45:10I pulled over
45:12and my car was full of stuff.
45:15And she was carrying
45:17a large backpack.
45:22She looked to me
45:23about 16 to 18,
45:25light brown hair,
45:27about 5'6".
45:31He admitted to striking her.
45:34He admitted to strangling her.
45:38And he admitted to
45:39putting her body
45:40in the Snake River
45:43after sexually assaulting her
45:45as well.
45:45Her remains
45:46have never been located.
45:50We don't have a name.
45:51We don't have the body.
45:53We haven't been able
45:54to reach out to the family.
45:55So it's very motivating
45:57because you know
45:58that somewhere out there
45:59there's probably still
46:00friends, family, loved ones
46:01who are missing this person
46:03who don't know
46:04what happened to her.
46:07We've not given up.
46:10We're not going to give up.
46:13We're going to keep searching
46:15until we find out
46:16who Jane Doe is.
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