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00:06I don't want another parent to go through what my wife and I went through.
00:21Jerry Thompson said Bundy was like a monster, that's how it viewed him.
00:31In 2024, the producers of this series came into possession of case files from the family of the late Salt
00:38Lake City detective Jerry Thompson,
00:41including never before seen crime scene photos, new Ted Bundy interviews and audio files from an historic meeting called the
00:51Aspen Summit,
00:51which all show how, in the 1970s, detectives from different states came together to solve one of the most heinous
01:00serial killer rampages in history.
01:04From January to July of 1974, the King County area was engulfed in a wave of fear as young women
01:10were being attacked and murdered with alarming regularity.
01:15It's the fall of 1974, and detectives in Seattle are searching for the man responsible for murdering eight women in
01:23the Pacific Northwest.
01:25I took it as a heavy responsibility. I wanted to find the guy before he killed more people.
01:32The man who was described as a smooth-talking man with his arm in a cast, who asked several women
01:37to help him load a boat onto a Volkswagen.
01:40There was the name, Ted. There was the composite drawing. There was a beige VW Bug.
01:47But when the murders there abruptly stop, only to start up again in Utah, detectives in three states, Washington, Oregon,
01:57and Utah, are working blind, unaware of any connection.
02:02At the time, jurisdictions didn't always cooperate with each other. They didn't share.
02:09Back in Seattle, Ted Bundy is just one name among 200 potential suspects.
02:17But then Bundy makes a huge mistake, and a victim gets away.
02:24When Carol Durant escaped, we felt that they were on the verge of breaking this case wide open.
02:49After she broke loose, Mr. Durant flagged down a passing car, and an elderly couple drove her to the Murray
02:55Police Station.
02:57When I first heard about the attack on Carol Durant, I was actually on vacation in Oregon, salmon fishing.
03:06Retired detective Paul Forbes was with the Murray City Police Department in the Salt Lake City metro area.
03:14My boss said, you're gonna have to give up the extra five days. We need you to get home.
03:20So I made it back home as quickly as I could.
03:23Now safe from harm, Carol Durant recounts the horrific ordeal to Detective Forbes.
03:31Carol Durant said he had tried to handcuff her to the Volkswagen glove compartment.
03:36But by some stroke of luck, he accidentally gets both cuffs on the same wrist.
03:41So she is not chained to the car.
03:44Help me!
03:46She just ran into the street. She said, I don't know how I did it, but I was able to
03:52get away.
03:56She was hysterical and it was hard getting out of her what happened.
04:00This man had kidnapped her and was maybe gonna hurt her.
04:07Tough little girl.
04:10So he's got a woman out there somewhere in Salt Lake City that has seen him, heard his voice, seen
04:17his car.
04:17And the only thing that he has going for him that November night is that she doesn't know his name.
04:23And at this point, no one is connecting this to all of the murdered and missing girls.
04:30I have spent many hours with Carol going through the mall, all of the areas where he had taken her
04:37before he got her finally in the car.
04:39Carol Durant describes her attacker as having a mustache and long hair past his ears.
04:45She noticed that he was wearing green pants, a blazer and shiny patent leather shoes.
04:52She also remembers that he's driving this ratty Volkswagen and that the back seat was torn up.
05:00We fell in the newsroom and maybe some police officers did too.
05:04They ought to be able to identify this guy before too long.
05:10But that very same night, another girl is snatched from a crowded high school theater just 20 miles away in
05:17the Salt Lake suburb of Bountiful.
05:20Immediately after Carol Durant gets away, a man approached 24-year-old drama teacher, Raylan Shepard, who was directing a
05:31musical at a high school in Bountiful that night.
05:34He was following her around before the play began, asking her to come out to the parking lot to help
05:42him.
05:44He did. That night, the folks, girls, in the hall, in the lobby.
05:49Well, I'm getting up in his automobile. I'm getting started. We're checking something.
05:53And she's like, no, I'm busy. I've got stuff to do.
05:57He subsequently approached another woman at the drinking fountain and was more aggressive and more assertive about it.
06:03The second woman rebuffs the man's advances as well.
06:07I think he got a little frustrated that he wasn't able to use his ruse to get anyone to go
06:13with him.
06:15Deborah Kent was a 17-year-old high school student in Bountiful, Utah.
06:20She came from a big family. She was very popular. She was described as just a really sweet, kind person.
06:29That night, Deborah goes to see the school musical with her parents, while her little brother goes roller skating at
06:36a nearby rink.
06:41Debbie's father gave me the keys to his car to go out and get in the car to go downtown
06:45and pick up her young brother.
06:47During the play's intermission, Debbie heads out of the theater to pick up her brother, but she never makes it
06:54to the car.
06:56It's not known exactly what happened in the parking lot.
07:00It seems possible that he just accosted her and grabbed her.
07:06Deborah Kent was never seen again.
07:10The next morning, Bountiful PD are searching the entire area, and one officer finds a handcuff key laying on the
07:18sidewalk.
07:20You've got something that shouldn't be there, and it could likely be from the man who was involved in her
07:25abduction.
07:27Bountiful investigators interview witnesses and learn that the man was seen leaving the auditorium, but then returned a short time
07:35later.
07:36When he was seen earlier, he was well-dressed, clean, neat, well-kept, well-groomed, very calm, very cool.
07:44At 10.30, which is about the time the play ended, the same people saw him again.
07:50Only now, he was very miserable. He was breathing hard. He was respiring.
07:55Firing, you know, just that was quick. It's just an appearance.
08:00My theory is that he realized that he had dropped the handcuff key.
08:06And if he couldn't find that handcuff key, they might be able to connect him to the Carol Durant's kidnapping.
08:14At this point, there are multiple young women missing or found murdered in the Salt Lake area.
08:21Melissa Smith in October, Laura Amy later that month, and now Deborah Kent in early November.
08:29Carol Durant had barely escaped an abduction, and then, as if ripped from a horror movie,
08:36there's another grisly discovery.
08:50Right around Thanksgiving break, two Brigham Young University students were playing hooky,
08:57and they wanted to go for a hike in American Fork Canyon.
09:04American Fork was a beautiful canyon.
09:07It's just on the other side of the end of Salt Lake Valley.
09:11There's hikes that you could take up there.
09:16They were walking down just this trail that was kind of close to a stream.
09:27And they noticed the body of a young woman lying in the brush at the bottom of this embankment.
09:33And the girlfriend said, oh, my God, I think that's a dead girl.
09:38And they immediately went and notified police, who quickly identified it as being the body of Laura Amy.
09:48Laura Amy had been strangled, and she had blunt force trauma to her head from some kind of blunt object,
09:58which we would later find out was a crowbar.
10:05The body was dumped in amongst some logs just off of a road, a parking lot area up in American
10:11Fork Canyon.
10:12The body, a hoop.
10:20These are the EME photos.
10:22These are the two.
10:24These are the two.
10:39The Nylon stocking tied on the neck, chain, necklace.
10:48The body was washed, the hair was washed.
10:50He even had a shampoo smell to it.
10:52The cause of death is either by strangulation or by massive blows to the head.
10:59Sorry, that's heavy.
11:01Yeah.
11:03Take a minute.
11:08Laura Amy and Melissa Smith were both found nude and abandoned in remote canyons,
11:14beaten and then strangled.
11:17Jerry Thompson's boss, Pete Hayward,
11:19was one of the cops who realized these girls were likely killed by the same individual
11:24based on the similar M.O., saying we got a real nut out there.
11:40A lot of these people took this case very personally.
11:45It was an attack on their towns, on their communities.
11:49You'd be hard-pressed to find a detective more invested than Mike Fisher of Colorado.
11:56He was working the Karen Campbell case,
11:58who would come with her boyfriend, Dr. Raymond Godowski,
12:02and his two children to Aspen, Colorado.
12:07Karen Campbell just wanted to have a nice vacation,
12:10and she was starting her life over.
12:12She had a new fiancé, and she was on a skiing trip that also happened to be a cardiology conference
12:21for her fiancé.
12:23It was supposed to be sort of a bonding trip for her to get to know these children before she
12:27married into the family.
12:29She had never been to Aspen before.
12:31She was from Dearborn, Michigan.
12:35Karen Campbell went to dinner the night of January 12th.
12:41She was walking with her fiancé, Raymond, his two kids, and their friend.
12:48She wanted to go back to her room to get a magazine.
12:51And so she walked through this complex, got on an elevator, and she never got to her room.
12:59The magazine was there.
13:00The room wasn't open.
13:03She disappeared.
13:05And that's when Mike Fisher was called in.
13:10Mike Fisher was an investigator for Colorado with the attorney general.
13:15He was an investigator, really, for the state.
13:18At the time when he didn't have very many leads on the Karen Campbell disappearance,
13:24he was looking at every single hotel room, every single person who had checked in.
13:30And he was comparing those hotel check-in lists to all the jurisdictions from where those people had originated
13:38to see if there were any priors.
13:40He was dogged, and he was chasing down every possible lead.
13:45His work was really extraordinary in piecing things together.
13:51Fisher became personally involved with the Karen Campbell case.
13:55I think that he felt offended that someone would come to his beautiful resort town
14:03just to be taken away from her family and this new life that she was trying to start.
14:12The night Karen disappeared.
14:14It snowed heavily, obscuring the roads and ditches,
14:18making the search for her body all but impossible.
14:29A month later, a passerby noticed driving down Owl Creek Road,
14:35which was at the time kind of a lonely, deserted road near Snowmass.
14:42They saw a flock of crows pecking at something and called police.
14:54It was her remains.
14:57It seemed that she had been just tossed over the guardrail
15:01and that when the snow plows had come through, they had covered her in snow.
15:11These are hard to look at.
15:14Reports from Jerry Thompson's case files explain that coyotes had apparently consumed
15:20some of Karen Campbell's remains,
15:22making it impossible to determine if she had been strangled.
15:27I think the autopsy said blunt force trauma and exposure to the elements.
15:35They said that she may have been still barely alive and actually froze to death that night.
15:44Mike Fisher said that the DA said,
15:46Fish, you'll never find out who did this.
15:49You've got nothing to work with.
15:50And of course, Fisher chuckled at that.
15:53No, I'm going to find this guy.
16:02Just two weeks after Karen Campbell's remains are found,
16:07King County detectives in Washington get a big break,
16:10though a tragic one.
16:13A massive search was launched after the discovery of the skeletal remains of six women
16:17in the mountains east of Seattle.
16:29In March of 1975, forestry students were out surveying Taylor Mountain.
16:37They realized that they had discovered the dump site
16:40for the missing Pacific Northwest victims at that point.
16:44The word is that both you and Seattle police are proceeding
16:47on the assumption that there are more bodies out here.
16:51Well, that probably is.
16:54You get in that woods and you just don't know what's in there.
16:57It's so thick and so overgrown with bushes
17:00that you could find anything, you know,
17:03a couple hours from now or five minutes from now.
17:07It was heavy, fine maple.
17:09And as Bob Keppel was making his way through surveying the scene,
17:15he tripped and fell down.
17:18And as he looked up, he was looking at a skull.
17:24Up at Taylor Mountain, Linda Ann Healy,
17:27Susan Elaine Rancourt, Roberta Kathleen Parks, Brenda Ball.
17:31And then previously in September,
17:33we identified Janice Ott and Denise Nosla.
17:36So there are six people definitely identified.
17:40So we have found nothing but human remains,
17:42not one button, ring, so forth.
17:45The Taylor Mountain site shows detectives
17:48the same M.O. as the Issaquah site
17:50from the Lake Sammamish double murder.
17:53This was absolute proof that the same killer
17:55was responsible for all of these victims.
17:59It was urgency.
18:01You got to find this guy
18:02and stop the murders in the future.
18:05The victim tally balloons to 13 across the western U.S.
18:10But detectives continue to toil in isolation.
18:14At the time, jurisdictions didn't always cooperate with each other.
18:18They didn't share.
18:20And that was a real detriment to law enforcement
18:24because they didn't realize these murders could all be connected.
18:29Law enforcement generally is distrusting of each other.
18:33And that's unfortunate that help, when most needed, gets ignored.
18:39The murders continue.
18:41In the span of just three months,
18:43three more young women are taken.
18:45Two in Colorado and one in Idaho.
18:48To this day, none of their remains have ever been found.
18:53For every victim he left behind,
18:56he left behind families
18:58that were tortured by the death of a loved one.
19:02It's like you drop a pebble into a pond
19:06and the waves and the ripples just go out farther and farther.
19:26The night of August 16th, 1975,
19:30there was a Utah Highway Patrolman named Bob Hayward
19:33who lived in Granger,
19:35which is now West Valley City, Utah,
19:37a suburb of Salt Lake City.
19:40He was just getting off of his shift
19:44and he noticed a VW bug
19:49with its lights off driving past him.
19:52He thought, that's a little odd.
19:54I know everybody in this neighborhood
19:56and I don't know this car
19:57and driving around at three in the morning.
20:01Later, he's filling out paperwork
20:03and he gets a call he needs to respond to.
20:11He later said that he took a wrong turn
20:14driving out of his neighborhood
20:16and if he hadn't taken this exact turn
20:18at this exact time,
20:19he wouldn't have seen
20:20that same VW bug
20:23parked with its lights off
20:26outside a house one block from where he lived.
20:31They had a lot of burglars in the area.
20:33He was suspicious of this guy immediately,
20:35but instead of letting him come over
20:37and talk to him,
20:39Bundy freaked out and took off.
20:43So the VW zoomed away.
20:45It's a great term.
20:46I love to use it.
20:47Then Bundy rabbited,
20:48so the chase was on.
21:00Bundy ran through a couple of stop signs,
21:03but he's driving this little dinky VW.
21:06He couldn't get away from him.
21:10So Bundy finally pulls over
21:12outside of this gas station.
21:17Gets out of the car.
21:25Hayward opens his door
21:26and tells him to stop right there.
21:30Bundy says,
21:31well, what's the problem, officer?
21:33So Hayward goes over to Bundy,
21:35has him identify himself,
21:37said, I need to see your license.
21:38Bundy goes back in his car and gets it.
21:41He read his name out,
21:43Theodore Robert Bundy.
21:45Hayward didn't like him.
21:46He was dressed all in black.
21:48found sitting in front of his house,
21:51and he knew the people that lived in that house.
21:54Had two young daughters, teenage girls,
21:56and their parents were out of town.
21:58He knew that those girls would be asleep,
22:00and he didn't like that this man
22:01was parked outside of the house.
22:04The passenger seat is removed,
22:06and on the back seat,
22:07the first thing he sees was the brown gym bag
22:11has stuff spilling out of it.
22:13In the open bag,
22:15Hayward sees a crowbar
22:16and other tools commonly used
22:18to commit burglaries.
22:20So Bundy gives him permission
22:22to search the car.
22:26Bundy started telling him
22:27about how he was a law student
22:28at the U.
22:30I was just driving around,
22:32you know,
22:32it was a different part of town,
22:33I'm just exploring.
22:35He was just lost in the neighborhood.
22:37He also said that he had seen a movie
22:39at a drive-in.
22:40Hayward said,
22:41Oh, yeah?
22:42What movie did you see?
22:43Ted goes,
22:43Uh, the Towering Inferno.
22:49And he thought to himself,
22:50That's not true,
22:50because I know exactly what's playing
22:52at that movie theater,
22:54and it was a trio of westerns that night.
22:56It was not the Towering Inferno.
22:59So his credibility started to decay.
23:03He knew he was lying,
23:04but he didn't understand why he was there.
23:06He thought maybe he was planning
23:08on burglarizing some houses.
23:13They searched his car.
23:14They found a crowbar,
23:17trash bags,
23:18rope.
23:19An ice pick.
23:20There were a pair of handcuffs.
23:22And a ski mask.
23:23Not the kind of thing
23:24that you would usually find
23:26in a regular person's car.
23:30These seem like burglary tools.
23:36So he asks him about the various things.
23:38He says,
23:38Oh, they're just commonplace items.
23:41What about the handcuffs?
23:43I found them somewhere
23:44in, you know,
23:45in someone's trash.
23:48Not only was Hayward
23:49going to charge him
23:51with evading a police officer,
23:53he was going to also charge him
23:55with burglary tools.
23:57Of course, he knew
23:58that this is more than burglary tools.
23:59It's got stuff in there
24:00for tying people up.
24:04I'm a criminal defense attorney,
24:06and I've tried over 300 cases.
24:09Lots of circumstantial evidence
24:10is the most difficult kind of case
24:13for a defense lawyer.
24:15Because you can explain in a way,
24:16say, well,
24:17I had the ice pick in there
24:19because I went to a kegger.
24:21But the nylon mask
24:23with the eyes,
24:25you know,
24:26and after three or four of them,
24:29everything becomes unbelievable.
24:32It appears the man they've arrested
24:34is planning to burglarize houses.
24:37But it doesn't make sense
24:38that he's a law student.
24:40He has no criminal record.
24:42We want to find out more about this guy.
24:44We're not just going to let him off.
24:47So they brought him down
24:48to the police station
24:49and booked him,
24:51fingerprinted him,
24:52and then let him go on bail.
24:59A few days later,
25:00there was a meeting
25:02of several of the detectives,
25:06sergeants at the Salt Lake County Sheriff.
25:09They would meet every Tuesday,
25:10and they would discuss
25:12what's going on in their county
25:14to see if anything
25:16would link up to something else.
25:18The Utah sheriff said,
25:20hey, I arrested this guy
25:22whose name is Ted.
25:24He had handcuffs
25:26and a crowbar in his car,
25:28and Jerry Thompson was there.
25:31One of the detectives mentioned
25:32that Bundy was the strangest guy
25:34he'd ever met.
25:35I remember Thompson said,
25:36once his name was mentioned,
25:38something went off in my mind,
25:39and I thought,
25:40wait a minute,
25:41I know that name.
25:45And he said,
25:46I went back to my office.
25:50And sure enough,
25:53there was the information on Bundy.
25:58Jerry Thompson remembers
25:59the Seattle tip
26:00he received months earlier
26:01after Bundy's girlfriend,
26:03Liz, came forward
26:04with her suspicions about Ted.
26:07He was very, very interested
26:09in this guy
26:10from the moment he heard about him
26:11because he drove a Volkswagen.
26:14he had handcuffs in the car.
26:17And so these things
26:18started coming back to his mind
26:20about Carol Durange.
26:22In a flash,
26:23the attempted kidnapping
26:25of Carol Durange
26:26and her statement to police
26:28connect Ted Bundy
26:29as a possible suspect
26:31in all of the disappearances
26:33and murders
26:33over the past 18 months.
26:35That was a brilliant piece
26:38of intuitive police work.
26:39I mean,
26:40that's a big turn
26:41in this whole case.
26:43I got a call
26:44from the Salt Lake County Sheriff
26:46who said,
26:46I stopped a guy
26:49in a car
26:50that matched the description.
26:51I think he might be your guy.
26:54According to Detective Thompson's files,
26:57Ted Bundy truly came to light
26:59in his eyes
27:00with the burglary tools arrest.
27:03Thompson thought Bundy's explanation
27:04for the items
27:05was very poor.
27:08Jerry Thompson
27:09can't get over
27:10the similarities
27:10between all the cases
27:14and was determined
27:15to catch this killer.
27:20So they're talking to Bundy
27:22about the burglary tools charge
27:24and they're saying,
27:26you know,
27:26we'd really like to clear you
27:28of this.
27:29Is there a way
27:29that you could, you know,
27:31let us search your apartment
27:32and we can make sure
27:34that, you know,
27:35you're not associated
27:36with these other cases?
27:38And he says,
27:39sure,
27:40search my apartment.
27:41I'll sign a waiver.
27:43Jerry Thompson was there.
27:45Other detectives were there.
27:47And a couple patrol officers
27:49who sat on either side
27:51of the couch
27:51while Bundy had to sit there
27:53and chatter away for a while.
27:55Thompson said
27:56he couldn't shut his mouth.
27:57He chattered like a magpie.
28:01Jerry was a longtime friend of mine.
28:04He was an aggressive guy
28:06when we worked together.
28:07He was very tenacious
28:09about his job
28:10as I was myself.
28:13We were doing
28:15a thorough search
28:16of Bundy's apartment
28:16and looking for anything
28:18that could place him anywhere
28:20in hopes that we could
28:22bring more charges
28:24against him.
28:26When they were
28:27searching his apartment,
28:28they thought it was
28:30oddly clean
28:32and very, very well organized.
28:35They uncovered
28:36some things there
28:37that turned out
28:39to be significant
28:40to the case.
28:43Detectives found a bill
28:45for a Chevron gas card
28:48which tipped him off
28:49to the fact
28:49that Ted had
28:51gas receipts
28:52that they would be able
28:53to subpoena eventually.
28:56Jerry also noticed
28:58in his closet
28:59a pair of shiny
29:00patent leather shoes.
29:03Detective Thompson recalled
29:04that Carol Durant
29:05had said her attacker
29:06was wearing
29:07black patent leather shoes.
29:10He also finds
29:12other possibly incriminating items
29:14in Bundy's apartment
29:15including a brochure
29:17for the Recreation Center
29:18in Bountiful,
29:19the Salt Lake City suburb
29:21where Deborah Kent
29:22had vanished
29:22nine months earlier.
29:24He also asked him
29:25if he'd ever been
29:26to Bountiful.
29:27He said,
29:27oh, I've driven through.
29:29So this is from
29:30Confidence Files.
29:32Oh, cool.
29:35I've never seen
29:36this before.
29:37This is the original
29:41Bountiful Recreation Center
29:42pamphlet
29:43pamphlet
29:44that was confiscated
29:47from Ted Bundy's
29:48apartment
29:48on the avenues.
29:52I'm glad you're allowing
29:53me to see this
29:54because I've never seen this.
29:57Hmm,
29:57isn't that something?
29:59Oh, my God.
30:02Oh, my God.
30:05I don't think I've ever
30:06touched something he touched.
30:08I've sort of wondered
30:09about keeping these things
30:10that were sort of souvenirs
30:11that allowed him
30:12at some level
30:14to kind of relive
30:15and revisit.
30:16They became almost
30:17sacred objects
30:19in this narrative
30:19of death
30:20that he was spinning
30:21and yet
30:22they were
30:22hugely incriminating.
30:24I think he was
30:26considering
30:26each murder
30:27a trophy.
30:30They found
30:31ski guides
30:31for Colorado.
30:32He asked Ted
30:34at the time
30:35if he'd ever been
30:36to Colorado
30:36and he said no,
30:37which was strange
30:38because he had
30:39these things
30:40in his house.
30:46Earlier in the questioning
30:48that he denied
30:48being in Colorado
30:49at all
30:49or anything.
30:51That was his first statement
30:52on Wendy's apartment.
30:53That's one state
30:54I've never been in.
30:55Part of circumstantial evidence
30:57is lying to the police
30:59about things
30:59that you know
31:00you're going to get caught for.
31:02Ted was a sociopath
31:03and sociopaths think
31:05that they can control everything.
31:08I think he did actually believe
31:09that he was smarter
31:11than they were.
31:15Inside the ski guide,
31:16Bundy had taken
31:18and placed an X
31:19beside the complex
31:21in Snowmass,
31:22the Wildwood Inn.
31:25When Jerry Thompson
31:26called Mike Fisher
31:28and he told them
31:30where the X was,
31:32this is Fisher's exact words.
31:34You're shitting me, Jerry.
31:35That's where our girl,
31:37Karen Campbell, went out.
31:40Gotta be the same guy.
31:42Gotta be.
31:42And of course,
31:43from that point forward,
31:44Fisher knew.
31:45I like Thompson.
31:48They knew
31:50this was the guy.
31:55But of course,
31:56knowing it is one thing.
31:59Proving it is something else.
32:01Something far more difficult.
32:06Before leaving Bundy's
32:08boarding house,
32:09Thompson and Forbes
32:10want to search his car
32:11for more evidence
32:12to bolster
32:13the Carol Durant's
32:14kidnapping case.
32:17When I went through
32:19the park
32:19and I also asked him
32:21if I could look
32:21at his car,
32:23he stated,
32:24sure, there's no problems.
32:25It was down in the back.
32:27I asked him then
32:28if I could take
32:29some pictures of the car,
32:30which he had no objection.
32:32At which point,
32:33Thompson goes back
32:34to the little parking lot
32:35outside of Ted's house
32:37and photographs
32:38his VW.
32:45He never asked why,
32:47what for,
32:47or anything else
32:48without it.
32:49Because he already knows
32:50what we're there for.
32:53That's why
32:53he didn't say anything.
32:55In taking the pictures
32:56of the Volkswagen,
32:58I noticed the back seat
33:00on the top
33:00had a chair,
33:01almost the full length
33:03of it,
33:03which matched
33:04the description
33:06from a girl
33:07who was calling
33:07stuck in the back
33:08being haunted.
33:11His comment then
33:12I thought was
33:12very unusual.
33:14He says,
33:14Jerry,
33:14you do a pretty good job.
33:16And I asked him,
33:17well,
33:18I think I do a damn good job.
33:19And he says,
33:20now you've got a straw
33:21and you're trying
33:22to fill up the broom
33:23and keep going
33:23on the stage.
33:24And I think
33:25he would not elaborate
33:26any further
33:27on his comment.
33:29Now,
33:30he must have said
33:30that to me
33:31six or eight times.
33:33And I said,
33:34I've already made the broom
33:35and you're holding it.
33:37Arrogant prick.
33:39He then bailed out of jail
33:42on this charge.
33:47While Bundy is out on bail
33:48for the burglary tools arrest,
33:51Jerry Thompson continues
33:52investigating him
33:53for the Carol Durant's kidnapping.
33:55Thompson goes
33:56to the University of Utah campus
33:58to speak with Bundy's professors,
34:00but he realizes
34:02that Bundy
34:02is stalking him.
34:05During the investigation
34:06through the law school
34:08up there,
34:09he followed me around
34:10on numerous times
34:11which I wouldn't worry
34:12of him following me,
34:13going to different professors.
34:16It seemed
34:17each time
34:17that he made it a point
34:18that I knew
34:19he was behind me,
34:20he would run
34:21over to me,
34:22holler at me,
34:23shake my hand,
34:24tell me I was doing
34:25a hell of a nice job
34:26and I was getting tired
34:27and I looked like
34:28I needed rest
34:29and he was sorry
34:30that he worked me so hard.
34:31But after all I get paid for,
34:33he didn't.
34:34He enjoyed the chase,
34:36he enjoyed the capture,
34:38and he enjoyed the finish.
34:41All steps,
34:42he enjoyed the whole thing.
34:44It was part of
34:45the narcissism,
34:46I think.
34:47He just couldn't
34:48help himself.
34:49He just loved
34:50being the center
34:51of attention.
34:53Jerry Thompson
34:54visited Carol Durant
34:56at her place of work
34:57and he brought with him
35:00pictures of Bundy's
35:01DW as well as
35:03a number of photographs
35:04of men
35:05from a lineup.
35:07And she looked at them
35:08and laid them over
35:09one after another,
35:11but she put one
35:12on her leg
35:13and she said,
35:15well, I don't see
35:15anybody here.
35:16He said,
35:17well, what about
35:17the one you're
35:18holding on to?
35:19She said,
35:20yeah, that does look
35:21kind of like him.
35:23On September 10th,
35:25investigators put
35:26Ted Bundy
35:27under surveillance.
35:30This surveillance
35:31started on
35:331910 and 75
35:35and we ran it
35:36for approximately
35:36four or five days
35:38on the individual.
35:42He would be working
35:43on the car,
35:44the VW,
35:45and he was actively
35:47replacing parts
35:48of the car,
35:49washing it out,
35:51sanding down
35:52the rust spots,
35:53changing the appearance
35:54of the car,
35:54and he knew
35:55they were watching him
35:56and couldn't do
35:57anything about it.
35:58At this time,
35:59the car had been changed.
36:01The seat
36:02no longer
36:03had a tear in it.
36:05The hubcaps
36:06are different.
36:08The Volkswagen
36:09never had a front bumper
36:10or lice plate on it,
36:12but, you know,
36:13it had a bumper on it
36:15and a pipe plate on it.
36:18The surveillance
36:19on Bundy
36:20unnerved him.
36:22According to
36:23the surveillance reports,
36:24Bundy would constantly
36:26come out
36:26from under
36:27his Volkswagen,
36:28look up and down
36:29the street,
36:30and then go back
36:31to working
36:31on the car's bumper.
36:34They're following
36:35him around,
36:36they're watching
36:37his house,
36:37to the point
36:38where his neighbors
36:39are getting
36:40a little upset.
36:42Some of them
36:43are smoking weed
36:44and they don't like
36:45the cops hanging
36:46around their house.
36:48His neighbor
36:48knocked on Ted's door
36:50and it was partially open
36:52until he walked in
36:53and Ted was drunk
36:54sitting on his couch.
36:55And he said,
36:57Ted, I want to know
36:58what's going on.
37:00And Ted said,
37:02oh, the girls.
37:05I'm caught.
37:06It's because of
37:07all the girls.
37:09And he said,
37:10what do you mean?
37:11And Ted said,
37:13never mind.
37:13Never mind.
37:23In September of 1975,
37:26Detective Jerry Thompson
37:28knows he doesn't
37:28have enough evidence
37:29for a prosecutor
37:30to charge Ted Bundy
37:32with murder.
37:33So he flies to Seattle,
37:35hoping to convince
37:36Bundy's girlfriend,
37:37Liz,
37:37to talk to him.
37:39On three different
37:40occasions on this trip,
37:41Thompson interviewed Liz
37:42about what she knew
37:44about Bundy,
37:45what she knew
37:45about the murder kit.
37:48Maybe I shouldn't do this.
37:50I have a picture here
37:52of all the items
37:53that we took
37:54from his car.
38:02I will let you look
38:03at him first.
38:05And this is,
38:07there is cord and rope.
38:09It's the handcuffs,
38:10it's the punch,
38:11the gloves,
38:12the ski mask.
38:13This is a pair
38:14of women's nylon pantyhose
38:16with eye holes
38:18and a mouth cut out.
38:20It's a flashlight
38:21and it's the Cobra.
38:24Have you ever seen
38:25what's in that gym bag?
38:28No,
38:29unless she's empty.
38:31She's way
38:31been crying there,
38:32isn't she?
38:32It sounds like
38:33she's crying.
38:34Do you hear that?
38:35I hear sniffles
38:37like she's,
38:38like she's emotional.
38:41Very highly unusual,
38:43would you say,
38:44that any man
38:45would have these things
38:46other than
38:47for what reason?
38:48An armed robber,
38:49maybe?
38:50The handcuffs,
38:52the rope bindings,
38:53what would you surmise
38:55they might be
38:55in a person's possession
38:56for?
38:59To tie somebody up,
39:00I would assume.
39:01I don't buy
39:02his explanation
39:03for them.
39:04He's leading her.
39:05He's very good.
39:07In the nylon pantyhose,
39:09he had an explanation.
39:11He put them on
39:13to keep his ears
39:14and his face warm
39:15when he was skiing.
39:16I said,
39:17you don't ski in August.
39:19It's like the ice cream.
39:20I can't answer that either.
39:21What did he say?
39:23It was just a house tool.
39:25And there was another,
39:27a tire iron.
39:30He left my house
39:32right at night
39:32and then he came back
39:33to get that.
39:35And he looked really sick,
39:36you know,
39:37like he was hiding something.
39:38And I said,
39:38what have you got
39:39in your pocket?
39:40And he wouldn't show me.
39:41I reached and grabbed
39:42a surgical glove.
39:45Weird.
39:47She was expecting
39:49an explanation.
39:50He walks down the steps
39:51and gets in the car
39:52and leaves
39:53and never says a word.
39:57I've wondered,
39:58I read in the paper
39:59long ago
40:00that there was a drill
40:00in Salt Lake
40:01but had gotten away
40:03if the guy tried
40:04to hang up with me
40:05both then or something.
40:06I wondered
40:07if you had shown
40:08who to see her.
40:11Yes.
40:12And...
40:14You put me on the spot,
40:15don't you?
40:18I can't tell you,
40:19Liv.
40:19Oh, my God.
40:25She was really hoping
40:26that his answer
40:27would be,
40:28no,
40:29she wasn't able
40:29to identify him.
40:31She was still
40:32at this point
40:33very much hoping
40:34that he was innocent
40:35and anything she said
40:36would be able
40:37to exclude him.
40:39After the interview,
40:41Jerry Thompson
40:41obtains a warrant
40:42for Bundy
40:43to appear in a lineup
40:44for Carol Durant,
40:45as well as two witnesses
40:47from the Deborah Kent
40:48disappearance.
40:50He's hoping
40:50they'll be able
40:51to identify Ted.
40:53Thompson delivers
40:54this court order
40:55to Bundy's apartment
40:56himself.
40:57He had just got out
40:59of the shower
40:59and stained
41:00the door with a towel
41:09and he must have thought
41:11he was about
41:12to be arrested
41:12for one of these murders
41:14because Thompson
41:15later told me
41:16we could see
41:17his heart beating
41:18out of his chest.
41:20I said,
41:21are you all right?
41:21He says,
41:22I'm fine.
41:23When I handed him
41:24the paper,
41:24he read it,
41:25he says,
41:25oh,
41:26well,
41:26if that's all,
41:27he says,
41:27there'll be no problem.
41:28I'll be there.
41:29He looked at the papers,
41:30he was like,
41:30oh,
41:31it's just a lineup.
41:33He thought
41:33at that point
41:34that he could still
41:35get away with it.
41:38Detectives were
41:38taking a big risk
41:39with the lineup.
41:41All it takes
41:41is for these people
41:42to say,
41:43no,
41:43he's not the guy.
41:45And if that were
41:45to happen,
41:50Bundy would walk.
41:54And so the next day
41:56when he came in there,
41:59Thompson's heart
42:00was in his throat
42:00because he thought,
42:02she's going to
42:03misidentify him.
42:04His hair's
42:05completely different.
42:08The man who walked in
42:10was clean-shaven,
42:12no mustache,
42:14short hair,
42:15and the hair was parted
42:17on a different side.
42:18What the detectives
42:20don't know
42:20is that the day before,
42:23Bundy goes to a barber shop,
42:25cuts his hair really short,
42:26and parts it
42:27on the other side.
42:30He was convinced
42:32that he could
42:33do things so well
42:34that they would
42:35never actually
42:35pick him out.
42:37He thought that
42:38they wouldn't be able
42:39to identify him.
42:41Carol Durand
42:42instantly picked him
42:44right out of the bunch
42:45and said,
42:46that's the gentleman.
42:48He didn't take her
42:49any time at all.
42:51That's all detectives
42:53need to arrest Bundy
42:54for kidnapping,
42:55and they throw him
42:56in the Salt Lake County jail.
42:59Later on that day,
43:01I confronted him
43:02in the jail
43:03and told him
43:04that he was under arrest
43:05or attempted
43:05to get an attempt
43:07to criminal homicide.
43:08The man at that time
43:09seemed to breathe easy.
43:11He called me to a little
43:13hell or symptom,
43:14is that all?
43:15And he seemed
43:16from that point on
43:17a very reliant
43:18in the video.
43:19I'm sure he's starting
43:20to panic a little
43:21at this point.
43:22He was very good
43:23at concealing it,
43:24at least in public view.
43:25It wasn't me.
43:26I didn't do it.
43:27On, on, on.
43:29They're not reliable.
43:30They're just guessing.
43:32And I just let him ramble.
43:34I didn't even answer him.
43:35I was just smiling inside.
43:37Knew we had him
43:38and there was nothing
43:39he was going to change.
43:41It meant that Bundy,
43:42now, instead of being
43:44the hunter,
43:44he was being the hunted.
43:46Because this wasn't
43:47about burglary tools
43:48or this wasn't
43:49about evading police.
43:51This was about
43:52kidnapping Carol La Ronche
43:53and also already
43:56being suspected
43:57in all the other
43:58missing women.
44:01When the news
44:02hits the press
44:03that Ted Bundy
44:04has been arrested
44:04for the kidnapping
44:05of Carol La Ronche
44:06in Salt Lake City,
44:08the media back in Seattle
44:09catch on that Utah Ted
44:11could also be
44:12Seattle Ted.
44:14Is Utah Ted
44:16Seattle Ted?
44:18Oh, that was
44:19headline top of the fold.
44:22And, of course,
44:23then the media
44:23really goes wild.
44:24Bundy once lived
44:25in both Seattle
44:26and Tacoma.
44:27He's charged
44:28in Salt Lake City
44:28with aggravated
44:29kidnap and attempted
44:31murder.
44:31Once Bundy was arrested
44:33and was on their radar,
44:35they let Washington
44:36State know it.
44:37But through all
44:38the excitement
44:39of the Salt Lake City
44:40arrest, there's one man
44:41here in Seattle
44:41who's not at all excited.
44:43He is Captain Nick Mackey.
44:45Jeannie, the reason
44:46Captain Nick Mackey
44:47says he's not excited
44:48is simple.
44:49He says Ted Bundy
44:50is not a prime suspect
44:51in the murder
44:52of the Seattle women.
44:53The media are the ones
44:54that are making him
44:55the prime suspect.
44:56We are not.
44:57They thought,
44:58well, this man has
44:59no criminal record
45:01whatsoever.
45:02He's a student.
45:03He's in law school.
45:05He has a college degree
45:07that he received
45:09with honors.
45:10He's clean cut,
45:11charismatic.
45:12The governor of Washington
45:14wrote him a letter
45:15of recommendation
45:16to law school
45:17extolling the virtues
45:19of Ted Bundy.
45:20There was no reason
45:21to think someone
45:22like that could be
45:24connected to these
45:25sorts of crimes.
45:27We have quite a few
45:29people that look
45:31very good,
45:32and it's surprising
45:34when you get
45:34onto one person
45:35and people tend
45:37to make their suspect
45:39fit all the aspects
45:41of Ted.
45:43Everything we heard
45:44was that he was
45:46God's gift to women
45:48and the community
45:49and that we were
45:50way off base.
45:51The photograph of Ted Bundy
45:53was shown to at least
45:54eight witnesses
45:55from Lake Sammamish.
45:56Seven positively said
45:58Ted Bundy was not
45:59the mysterious Ted.
46:01One said he looked
46:02something like the man.
46:04Mackie added that
46:05the pictures of Ted Bundy
46:06so far have produced
46:07no results when showed
46:08to the witnesses
46:09and he said he has
46:10no plans to send
46:11any county detectives
46:12up to Salt Lake City.
46:14But in Colorado,
46:16Mike Fisher looked
46:16at it thinking,
46:17no, that's not enough.
46:19I need to get a murder
46:19warrant placed
46:21against this guy.
46:22We believe it's Bundy.
46:24How are we going
46:24to make it stick to him?
46:31Next, on Hunting Bundy.
46:33We have asked Ted
46:34to come up here today
46:35to talk to him
46:36in regards to
46:37numerous homicides.
46:39Ted, have you ever
46:41committed murder?
46:43Who's the answer to that?
46:45Convicted kidnapper
46:46Theodore Bundy
46:47has escaped from jail
46:48in Colorado.
46:49Now, how did he get
46:50out of the cell, sir?
46:51Well, they tore a light
46:53fixture out of there
46:54years ago.
46:55He just went out
46:56through there.
46:57The monster has been
46:58set free again.
47:32Theodore Bundy
47:47Theodore Bundy
47:48You
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