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00:00There are some divisive cases, that's for sure. Before going on air, so this afternoon,
00:06As you know, I look at all the emails and messages you send us. There's a viewer.
00:12very kind, very courteous, but he wrote, look, I always saw who saw it,
00:18It's an important service program, but I decided not to watch it this evening. Because
00:25he said I don't want to see it, we don't know if our viewer is listening,
00:30because you must have read in the press release, lawyer comrade, good evening, that we had invited
00:36The lawyer's partner is in the studio. So this viewer of ours said this evening,
00:41But who saw it? I won't see it. And the lawyer, the partner, and Marco Poggi's lawyer,
00:47in some way this evening represents the family, it's a bit like saying that the Poggis
00:53They no longer have the right to speak. I took it that way; it was a very polite email.
00:58But it was a harsh email, it says I won't see you anymore. So, before I go
01:04with the lawyer companion, whom I thank, because it is a very delicate subject,
01:09they decided to file complaints, lawsuits, before going to understand
01:13what is happening in this path, in this parallel line, which somehow
01:20it has something to do with it or it doesn't, but with the ongoing investigations, I would see with Vittorio Romano
01:24the news, what they are, Cristiana Mangani, the news which are then the previews
01:29on the report submitted by pathologist Cristina Cattani.
01:35A very important relationship of course, because it has been said, this relationship
01:39can review the Garlasco case. And of course, as we always say,
01:44If there is an innocent person in prison, the injustice must be remedied immediately.
01:50Let's see the service.
01:58It was one of the few fixed points in the dynamics of the crime. Chiara Poggi did not defend herself,
02:04it is written in the final sentence, and did not react at all to further confirmation
02:08of the relationship of extreme confidence and intimacy with the visitor.
02:12It was clear from the start that this was not a theft, a robbery gone wrong.
02:17For the judges, Chiara opened up to the only man she would introduce herself to.
02:22in shorts Alberto Stasi, the boyfriend she trusted blindly
02:27and shortly after, her head would have been hit.
02:35The year was 2015. The prison doors opened for Stasi.
02:39It's a punishment that is neither here nor there. As the Attorney General said,
02:43If someone made a turnip like that, he must have some gastro.
02:45Andrea Siempio wasn't even a background extra.
02:48Andrea, do you want to tell us something?
02:50How are you?
02:50How are you?
02:53A few days ago, Dr. Cristina Cattaneo filed a report
02:58which outlines an opposite scenario, at least according to the first rumors reported by Tg1.
03:03Chiara would have fought her killer for a long time. She would have defended herself.
03:07In support of this thesis, Cattaneo highlights the bruises, ecchimus and abrasions on the victim's arms and legs.
03:18Mind you, they didn't just appear out of nowhere after 19 years.
03:21The coroner who performed the autopsy in 2007 had already photographed those bruises,
03:26but he had interpreted them differently.
03:28It could be an expression, writes Ballardini, of a fall during an escape attempt
03:33or impact on the floor surface while dragging
03:37or even slipping down the stairwell.
03:41The damaging picture, we read in the conclusions,
03:44it seems to indicate poorly effective or absent attempts at defense.
03:49Today those same signs would take on another meaning,
03:53according to the pathologist appointed by the Pavia prosecutor's office.
03:56A desperate fight for life.
03:59And under Chiara's nails, therefore, the reasoning of the investigators,
04:02there can only be the DNA of her attacker.
04:05And this DNA is compatible with that of Andrea Sempio, far from contamination.
04:11If they find traces of me around, I wouldn't be surprised,
04:15because I frequented the house and for better or worse I was everywhere in there.
04:19So that's another thing that wouldn't surprise me.
04:23And Alberto Stasi?
04:24In this scenario, for those who investigate, according to the leaked inscriptions,
04:28it would be completely foreign.
04:30Victim of a gross miscarriage of justice,
04:33of a traffic jam of expertise elevated to sacred texts
04:35and one-way investigations.
04:38Let's proceed in order.
04:41The DNA on Chiara's nails, so small that it was not detected in 2007,
04:46then extracted in 2014 through amplification and deemed unusable,
04:51it was analyzed again in 2025 by Dr. Albani.
04:55And his conclusions were crystallized in the evidentiary hearing.
04:59These are mixed haplotypes that have not undergone consolidation.
05:03and therefore subject to artificial risks.
05:06It makes the comparison, that is the use of those findings,
05:10in order to identify at least the parental line
05:16of who may have left that DNA,
05:19makes the result legally unusable.
05:22And that DNA is mixed, that is, overlapping with other genetic traces.
05:27It is the demonstration, as the defenders of example repeat,
05:30that it is a matter of contamination of an object touched by more than one person
05:34inside the house, like the TV remote control that was left on that morning,
05:38or is there an accomplice at the crime scene who remained in the shadows?
05:41Who is unknown 2?
05:45Let's get to the other rumors.
05:48Chiara would have died about half an hour after having breakfast,
05:51but we don't know when he ate the cereal in front of the TV.
05:57Repeat cereals.
05:59The only thing we know for sure about the time is that he deactivated the house alarm at 9:12.
06:07The murderer, or rather the material executor, another indiscretion yet to be confirmed,
06:12there would be only one.
06:13And at least on this point there are no differences with the final ruling.
06:16On the other hand, the footprints in the blood are from only one pair of shoes.
06:20The spotted efrau size 42.
06:23Certain fact from the first degree of judgment.
06:25There is no evidence of the presence of at least two attackers,
06:29Judge Vitelli wrote in 2009.
06:32The fixed points end here.
06:35Only open questions remain.
06:37Why is there always a suspect in collusion with Stasi and other unknown persons?
06:40what if the tracks have always indicated the presence of only one person?
06:45Are the PMs perhaps hypothesizing a moral complicity?
06:48Did anyone else instigate, cover up, or decide on the murder that was then carried out by the suspect?
06:53And how can the murderer be an example?
06:55if he wears size 44 shoes, not 42?
06:59Did he lie?
07:01Or as a Stasi defense consultancy suggests
07:03Could that polka dot print have been left by a larger shoe?
07:09And the black bike?
07:10The one seen by the neighbor in Bermani at 9.10 on August 13th.
07:14Sempio has never owned a black bike, much less a woman's bike.
07:18Not to mention the motive, the relationship between Chiara Poggi and Sempio was practically non-existent.
07:24According to the final sentence, the victim would not have welcomed a stranger wearing those pajamas,
07:28much less an acquaintance like the brother's friend.
07:31But even on this front the prosecution has hypothesized other scenarios.
07:34The motive, according to the investigators, would be hidden in Chiara's PC,
07:38that computer that his brother and his group also played on.
07:41On the desktop, in the albert.zip folder, were saved the intimate videos shot by the couple.
07:47Checco's IT consultant was asked to scan that computer for a motive.
07:53and at least one page of the nomination report is covered by omissions.
08:05Lawyer Campagna, you have decided to be here not to talk, let's say, about the investigations,
08:09but for a parallel event, that is, what is happening to the Poggis.
08:14I have to say, I was impressed when I spoke to her when she once told me
08:18that the Poggis are afraid that they will go and demonstrate under their house.
08:22At this point are they?
08:23Well, a toxic climate has been created, let's say, there is a world that concerns the conduct of the investigation,
08:30Whatever the conclusions, we will calmly await them, in short, we will evaluate them.
08:35You're right to seek out advance notices; as lawyers, we have to stick to what we read and evaluate.
08:40Then there is this parallel world that arises first of all on the web, with insinuations, accusations,
08:45in short, free information and interpretation are confused with the formulation of absurd hypotheses
08:52and then all of this somehow ends up bouncing off some television broadcast.
08:58There is a sort of parallel world in which news is the existence of news,
09:04which are often fake news, in short, for us the most incredible thing is that it is said
09:08It's not true that Marco Poggi was in the mountains, I mean, really,
09:11I don't know if viewers realize the level of madness we've reached.
09:15Because that means you had to get the photographs out, right?
09:20That is, it is assumed that this family, let's say, hid the truth about the dynamics of their daughter's murder.
09:26That is, that Marco Poggi's parents hid Marco Poggi's guilt
09:31and they took out the photos.
09:32After that, nothing is enough, one shows the photos and they say that the photos are not posted.
09:35It's a photomontage.
09:36Then you recover the photos taken by other people who were there, but even those aren't enough.
09:41There's a person who was with them on vacation who said if you want I'll give you more photos.
09:46Giuseppe told me today, but seeing these absurdities someone said
09:51but if you need them, we used to see each other, we have some photographs too.
09:54In short, facts that are...
09:55Listen, Mr. Lawyer, what I wanted to make the viewers understand
09:58it's that sometimes we get hung up on one thing
10:04and then against this person, in this case for example Chiara Poggi's mother
10:08it was criticized in the first month
10:11because she had said that she believed Alberto Stasi, she believed him innocent
10:16and gave him all the support and solidarity he could.
10:21So absurdly she was criticized at the time when Chiara died.
10:25why she was with Alberto Stasi and is criticized today instead
10:28because he believes what the Italian justice system later ruled.
10:33So I wanted to let you hear this phone call,
10:36I had proposed a part of it to you, we are a month away from the death of Chiara Poggi
10:42and it's being organized, they organized a mass at the cozzole
10:45and there is the phone call between the two mothers, Chiara's mother and Alberto Stasi's mother
10:51because Alberto Stasi's mother doesn't know what they have to do,
10:54there's this mass, they have to go, what do they have to do, let's hear it.
10:59Listen Bessi, I'm telling you, this morning he came there again and he says to me, listen,
11:05Let me tell you that there will be journalists here tonight.
11:09Don't mention it, I'll do it.
11:10It happens to me because the word has spread and there will be journalists.
11:14So we have few, enough.
11:18In fact, I'll let her go aside, he tells me, because otherwise it will be crowded.
11:27Listen Bessi, I'm telling you.
11:27I'm telling you, I mean, I wanted to save Alberto, I wanted to avoid the journalists.
11:33Eh, I know, we're always the same.
11:36Do you understand me, Betti?
11:37Yes, yes, I understand.
11:38You are Alberto's mother, I am Chiara's mother.
11:41I know, you're right.
11:43Here, and I would like to spare the boy the journalists.
11:47You are right.
11:50It's shocking, isn't it? Let's hear this mother who is crying,
11:53Chiara's mother, who says I want to avoid journalists.
11:56And she's crying right on Alberto's behalf.
11:59Then at a certain point everything changes, right?
12:03What does it mean?
12:04That now they no longer want the truth that they are...
12:09Let's say, at the time, what changed the perception a little
12:12it was the invention of DNA on pedals, let's say,
12:15that in a situation in which these parents did not want to believe
12:18that the boyfriend they had welcomed into their home
12:20could be responsible.
12:22But, Federica sees, what the spectators don't know
12:27is that the number of assessments, of investigations
12:30that have been made over the years are vast.
12:32These parents followed, as anyone can imagine,
12:35all these vicissitudes piece by piece,
12:38they analyzed them, verified them and so on.
12:40Instead the world of media is anxious for something new
12:43that you explain and delete everything.
12:46So, let me give you an example.
12:49How many people at the crime scene?
12:51We've heard from several people, so maybe we can play around with hypotheses, etc.
12:56We who knew a little about what had emerged
12:57from previous investigations, we know that there is only one walk
13:01of a single shoe for which everything had always been worn.
13:04Then we hear that this would be confirmed
13:06from Cattaneo, from the RIS of Cagliari.
13:09That is, it's difficult to get an idea of the truth.
13:13if all the pieces don't come together.
13:15Instead this is a game where someone thinks
13:17of having found a new stain, a new element
13:20and be able to rewrite it.
13:21No, no, but I wouldn't want to be involved in the investigation.
13:24because now they found Sempio's DNA
13:26so why is there Sempio's DNA, what is the DNA doing there?
13:30and therefore the possibility that a miscarriage of justice may have been committed.
13:34But what I wanted to make clear is that there are parents
13:37who are victims, secondary victims
13:40and then Chiara's mother is attacked
13:44because he shows his solidarity with Alberto.
13:47Today, however, it is attacked in the opposite way
13:49why doesn't he say take him out of prison
13:53you have made a miscarriage of justice.
13:56But then what does Alberto do at that mass?
13:59Is he going or not?
14:00There's a new call from Alberto's mother
14:12So, that day I came to you
14:14the next day I felt like a...
14:19I don't know, as it seemed like who knows what I had done.
14:22Yes, yes, yes.
14:27So, that day I came to you
14:29no, I felt like who knows what I had done
14:34so Alberto won't go then
14:36in that religious function
14:40because he says better not
14:42because it's exposed, right?
14:43So journalists first of all
14:45who went there to photograph him etc.
14:48then everything changes
14:49the situation is turned upside down
14:51and now Stasi's mother
14:54who was convinced by the Italian justice system
14:55and then followed the process
14:57she is attacked again.
15:00So, you filed complaints
15:03to various prosecutors, right?
15:06What are these...
15:07Can you explain these complaints, reports, and lawsuits to us?
15:10What are lawyers?
15:11Well, let's say, I assist Marco in particular.
15:13we've read all sorts of things
15:15Marco is in a recovery house
15:17he is a drug addict
15:19had child pornography files
15:21all lies
15:22it's not true that he was in the mountains
15:25in short, some absurdities
15:26which are going to hit precisely
15:27as she pointed out
15:29the victim's brother
15:30that is, people who have already been severely tested
15:33And...
15:34then the judicial authority will evaluate
15:37where there is defamation
15:38where there is no defamation
15:39Listen, but lawyer
15:39we want to see with Marina Borrometti
15:40what was written
15:42and what was said
15:51The Poggis won't find a hole deep enough
15:54to hide for the rest of their miserable lives
15:56Perhaps the family accepted a purifying sacrifice with respect to Chiara?
16:01This is a thought that really worries me.
16:03Poggi, you are shameful in front of all of Italy
16:06justice for Chiara
16:07daughter and sister of all of us, Italian people
16:1019 years have passed
16:12the Poggi family mourned Chiara
16:14during private funerals
16:16but since then nothing is private anymore
16:18The impression one gets is that
16:20these relatives of Chiara
16:22they are nobody's children
16:24that is, they no longer interest anyone
16:25they can be attacked and defamed as if nothing had happened
16:28The house stormed in 2007
16:31becomes the protagonist again
16:33and if at the time there were no influencers or youtubers
16:36Today, however, the internet is the master
16:38The most targeted is brother Marco
16:41I'm starting to think that there's something wrong with Marco Poggi.
16:45in the photos he seems too strange, absent, worried
16:49sadly atrocious but I think he is involved
16:51In my opinion Marco Poggi was part of a punitive expedition
16:55and was present at his sister's murder
16:57I can no longer believe that the Poggis are not acting in bad faith.
17:01to save what can be saved, or Marco Poggi
17:04They are the online comments fueled by opinion makers
17:08or as they say today influencer
17:10who have carved out their own audience on social media
17:13even attacking the Poggi
17:15Obvious consequence, visible to all
17:18it is the media aggression against his closest relatives
17:22as well as in some way also of Chiara's memory
17:25there was a problem with the dissemination of the autopsy photos
17:28in short, very high levels of unscrupulousness
17:30also towards the memory of the victim
17:35and obviously this is also a cause of further pain
17:40And yes, even photos of Chiara's death were put up for sale
17:44a trade immediately blocked
17:46Our daughter really didn't deserve all this mud
17:50really, he didn't deserve it
17:51Let's continue
17:52Marco Poggi does not show himself to the cameras
17:55so what?
17:56Marco Poggi has disappeared
17:57I know which clinic he is in
17:59although I can't say for privacy reasons
18:01or maybe it just came out
18:02but I think it's under guardianship
18:05in the sense that Marco maybe knew something
18:07What does the note Mrs. Preda found say?
18:10He says it was Marco who killed
18:12I think that the lady
18:14I've given it a little thought
18:16And the network?
18:17But can you say the opposite of everything online?
18:20Without limits?
18:21Who is assisting Marco Poggi with me?
18:24must draft reports, complaints, etc. on a weekly basis
18:28we involved the privacy guarantor
18:31we involved the Pavia prosecutor's office
18:33and the Milan Attorney General's Office
18:36Even the lawyer companion
18:38he ended up in the middle of this meat grinder
18:40just because he assists Marco Poggi
18:42What purpose does Marco Poggi have for a lawyer?
18:45Is he under investigation?
18:46No
18:46Is he suspected?
18:48No
18:48We don't even know where it is
18:50nobody is looking for it
18:51What does he do with the lawyer?
18:53Let's say okay
18:54not everyone can know
18:56the procedural dynamics
18:57we have constituted ourselves as a civil party
18:59at the time
19:00But let's continue reading other posts
19:03Marco Poggi is not there
19:05he doesn't speak
19:06does not appear
19:07he doesn't answer
19:08he disappeared
19:09literally
19:10his lawyer appears very little on television
19:13and when it appears
19:14no one asks him that question
19:16the question that any journalist asks
19:18to which it is granted
19:19should do
19:20the question that all Italians ask themselves
19:23where is Marco?
19:24How are you?
19:25For many years
19:26for many years
19:29is involved
19:30in a large mediated process
19:32initially
19:33was involved
19:33exclusively as a victim
19:35and anyway this is a burden
19:36Why
19:36live in a house
19:38where journalists
19:39every morning
19:39they pass by there
19:40In short
19:41it's not something small
19:42right now
19:43is involved
19:44also as
19:44he is the alleged executioner
19:47or how
19:47free target
19:48that anyone can
19:49defame
19:50Here you are
19:51Is Marco in a clinic?
19:53Marco is not in a clinic
19:55he's a normal guy
19:56working
19:57which follows
19:59and reads like all newspapers
20:01reads the procedural documents
20:02how he did it
20:03as he did it at the time
20:04No
20:05Marco is not in a clinic
20:07psychiatric
20:07his lawyer tells us
20:09just like Marco
20:10he wasn't in Garlasco
20:11the day of the murder
20:12of the sister
20:13We had to
20:14take out the photographs
20:16we had to
20:16Because there are those who say online
20:17that even Marco
20:18be Chiara's murderer
20:20that is, his sister's
20:20But look
20:20but online
20:21I sometimes
20:22I'm looking for a moment of relaxation
20:24in the evening
20:25at a dinner
20:26in an aperitif
20:26and they ask me if
20:28The lawyer is right
20:29we're talking about it
20:30in television containers
20:31online
20:32articles from weekly magazines
20:33but we're talking about it
20:34even at dinners
20:35The Garlasco case
20:36it has become an object
20:37for discussion
20:38and debate everywhere
20:39The hills pull out
20:41holiday photos
20:42and there are those who compare them
20:44with other photos
20:45of the same place
20:46mountain
20:46taken by others
20:47and says
20:48those of the hills
20:49they are photomontages
20:51The director of Gente
20:53Umberto Brindani
20:54who has always been busy
20:55from Garlasco
20:56he writes
20:57They came down forcefully
20:58in the field subjects
21:00that with the crime
21:01they have nothing to do with each other
21:02but they monopolize
21:03communication
21:04on the matter
21:05Social media
21:06they have populated
21:07of ad hoc groups
21:08of real or presumed experts
21:09of naive enthusiasts
21:11of well poisoners
21:12by youtuber
21:13of influencers
21:14everyone feasting
21:15at the Garlasco canteen
21:17These are very harsh words.
21:18There are those who profit from it
21:20behind all this
21:21Let's go back to the place
21:22by Brindani
21:24He writes
21:24How many of the people
21:25on the scene
21:26they are really interested
21:27to the truth
21:28about what happened
21:29August 13, 2007
21:31How many are able
21:32to reason
21:33with his own head
21:34or rather they act
21:35an assigned part
21:36them from others
21:36or by circumstances
21:37How many have gone up
21:39on the moving chariot
21:40this way or that way
21:41It does not matter
21:41just to participate
21:42at the banquet
21:43How many people make money from it?
21:44hard cash
21:46There are many
21:48ongoing proceedings
21:49and whoever is responsible
21:50will evaluate the responsibilities
21:51because in some cases
21:52it's not about
21:54only
21:55of defamation
21:56but anyway
21:56there is an orchestrated action
21:58between multiple subjects
21:59that makes you think
22:00to associative dynamics
22:01In short
22:01a real one
22:02criminal association
22:03There is a new economy
22:05that travels on the web
22:06and that does yes
22:08that all these activities
22:09allow for earnings
22:10quite easy
22:11without in fact
22:13no obligation
22:15to respect
22:15ideological norms
22:17and so on
22:18in some cases
22:18also subjects
22:19that by moving
22:20abroad
22:21they remain in some way
22:22even protected
22:24if not to say
22:25immune
22:25from Italian jurisdiction
22:33In short
22:33Listen, Lawyer.
22:34as they say
22:35that no journalist
22:36he asked her the question
22:37where is Marco Poggi?
22:38and everyone is wondering
22:39all Italians
22:40if they ask themselves
22:41but I
22:41he made them to Marina Borrometti
22:43but why Marco Poggi
22:44isn't he here?
22:45Marco Poggi
22:46lives work in Veneto
22:48has chosen for many years
22:49so he's not in a clinic
22:50psychiatric
22:51to communication
22:53and precisely because
22:54he withdraws
22:56there is an attitude
22:58towards him
23:00even more violent
23:01as if
23:01if we had to
23:02avenge
23:03of those who do not participate
23:04to this representation
23:07it's a personal choice
23:09I don't hide them
23:11that many times
23:12I also said
23:12but maybe we do
23:14once an interview
23:15etc.
23:15but there are some profiles
23:16of sensitivity to people
23:17I believe they should be respected
23:18then everyone decides
23:18whatever he wants
23:19But listen, lawyer.
23:22block with complaints
23:23with exposed
23:23with complaints
23:24what freedom is
23:26not in print
23:27of expression
23:28because some
23:29they are not journalists
23:30so let's not talk
23:31not even freedom
23:32of print
23:32how much expression
23:34it's not an unfair thing
23:35that is, there is someone
23:36what does he say?
23:37no for me Marco
23:37he is guilty
23:39morally if anything
23:40then I'll show it to you
23:42if he will be investigated
23:43no I'll tell you later
23:44I told you so
23:45No?
23:46I believe that your service
23:47explained well
23:48it's that there are economic interests
23:50that is, it's not a speech
23:51of evaluation
23:52or of interpretation
23:53there are professionals
23:54of hatred
23:55of the representation
23:56of the absurd
23:57and we live
23:58in a strange world
23:59in which the most absurd theses
24:01they are the ones that sometimes
24:02they have greater visibility
24:03so we struggle
24:05to find our way anymore
24:06we have to deal with it
24:07with this world
24:08But I Federica
24:09I wanted to send them
24:09even a message
24:10in some positive ways
24:11they write to me
24:12even weekly
24:13many people
24:14what they tell me
24:14Lawyer
24:15but he read this
24:16but how is it possible
24:17it's incredible
24:17but do something
24:19me obviously
24:19for some aspects
24:21you feel helpless
24:22because the times
24:22of criminal justice
24:23but you have decided
24:24to trigger anyway
24:25of the complaints
24:26we also feel
24:26having to do so
24:27compared to many people
24:28that tell us this
24:30that express solidarity
24:31that is, there is a healthy part
24:32of the web
24:33which sometimes ends
24:34to be hidden
24:35behind these tons
24:36of garbage
24:37but I believe
24:38it's also right to say it
24:39what impressed me was
24:41It's Brindani
24:41when he wrote
24:42everyone feasting
24:43at the Garlasco canteen
24:45she says
24:46there is the economy
24:46there is a business
24:48behind
24:48in quotation marks
24:49the crime
24:50that is, they are episodes
24:51dramatic
24:52of a murdered girl
24:53Meaning what
24:54what she thinks
24:55it's that there are people who make money from it
24:57with
24:57Yes
24:58for the spectators
24:59sometimes
24:59it's the impression of a game
25:01as if it were
25:01a collective cluedo
25:02and it's also understandable
25:03because then the spectator
25:04he's listening to something
25:05maybe he doesn't know everything
25:06they are not all expert spectators
25:08or be careful
25:09for those on the other side
25:10there really is
25:11explicit speculation
25:12then I know
25:13that are coming
25:14why do they warn me
25:15many criticisms
25:16many criticisms
25:17for me
25:18not for the lawyer
25:19for me
25:20why I invited him
25:21but
25:21I want to tell you this
25:24there is the judicial route
25:26which is important
25:27I always repeat it
25:28if there is an innocent
25:29in prison
25:30it needs to be fixed immediately
25:31for us
25:32the greatest satisfaction
25:33when we had it done
25:34the review process
25:35for Asci
25:36for the case of Ilaria Alpi
25:37who was in jail
25:39for many, many years
25:41but that the hills
25:42they have no right
25:43to speak
25:44this is not possible
25:46At that time
25:46if someone writes
25:48something
25:49the lawyer
25:50companion
25:51we can invite him
25:52it's our right
25:53our duty
25:54to make him say
25:55theirs too
25:56And
25:58that's fine
25:59in the sense that
25:59among other things
26:00I am convinced
26:01that the criticisms
26:02they make you grow
26:03me when
26:03when I read them
26:04Not
26:05I'm not surprised
26:07they make me
26:08they make me think
26:09but this case
26:10it must make us think
26:11of what is happening
26:12happening
26:13around the case
26:15Garlasco
26:15And
26:17must
26:18we need to think
26:19because if then
26:20Really
26:20there are some deals
26:21really
26:22the lawyer spoke
26:22of an association
26:24No
26:25that is, of more people
26:26That
26:27who have decided
26:28to make this case
26:29a
26:30also a business
26:31In short
26:31it all remains to be seen
26:33I don't think so
26:34the lawyer wants
26:35repress no one
26:37or mortify
26:38freedom of form
26:39of expression
26:40but how can you say
26:41that Marco Poggi
26:42he's in a clinic
26:43psychiatric
26:44the lawyer can
26:46deny this news
26:47when and how he wants
26:48in this program
26:50thank you lawyer
26:51thanks to her
26:51Until we meet again
26:52thank you all
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