00:00But this evening we also want to talk to you about Garlasco, we have dealt with Garlasco a lot,
00:07We have always been close to Chiara Poggio's mother, in short to the family and I must say it was great news
00:12a bit of everyone waiting, given exclusively by Tg1, that is, that there is another suspect.
00:19So we are with our Vittorio Romano and then the most important thing is that this friend
00:26Chiara's brother, Andrea Sempio, has to hand over his DNA tomorrow, right Vittorio?
00:36Andrea Sempio will have to undergo a DNA test tomorrow morning.
00:40Last week he had denied his consent, after all it was his right, but then the investigating judge ordered the
00:47sample 4,
00:47so tomorrow he will go back to the Carabinieri in Milan with his lawyer, he will do a saliva swab for 5 minutes in total,
00:54after which the second part of the investigation begins here, which could be sensational, let's say it right away,
01:01because this DNA will be compared with the DNA taken from Chiara Poggi's fingernails.
01:08You know, we are in front of the house where she was killed a few days before August 15th 2007.
01:14Now the story of this DNA is truly special.
01:18In 2014, the Prosecutor's Office's expert report had essentially highlighted that this DNA was degraded and therefore unusable.
01:27Two years later, and also after the final sentence, let us remember, 16 years of prison for Alberto Stasi,
01:33Chiara Poggi's boyfriend at the time,
01:37What do Stasi lawyers do?
01:40They file another consultancy.
01:42According to these consultants, the DNA collected from Chiara Poggi's fingernails is completely legible and therefore usable.
01:50At this point Andrea Sempio is investigated for the first time.
01:55In fact, anyone under investigation today has already been investigated.
01:58And in 2017, the Pavia Prosecutor's Office requested and obtained the case closed.
02:08Vittorio, before you go on, I wanted to say to our viewers,
02:13We tell it with Marina Borrometi a little to understand who this boy is,
02:18the one who was 19 years old, who is Andrea Sempio.
02:21Then we go to this very important consultancy from two luminaries,
02:26Professor Ugo Ricci of Florence,
02:28which then after having done his consultancy it wasn't enough for him.
02:31he said I want to turn to a world expert, Lutz Reaver,
02:36who confirmed a little of what he had written in his advice,
02:42not knowing that it was Stasi and that it was Chiara Poggi's brother's friend.
02:47So let's say this advice was sent anonymously.
02:51But who is Andrea? Why was he investigated the first time and then dropped?
03:03I mostly hung out with his brother,
03:06I happened to meet her,
03:08but there was a 7-8 year age difference between me and her.
03:13Andrea Sempio, born in 1988.
03:17He gave this interview to TG1 in 2017.
03:21In 2007, when Chiara Poggi was killed, she was 19 years old,
03:25and frequents it regularly, as he himself confirmed to the police,
03:29the Poggi villa.
03:31Sempio, today, is 37 years old and works in a telephone shop.
03:35On October 4, 2008, heard as a person informed of the facts,
03:40he tells the police
04:02And here is the receipt.
04:05More than a year has passed since Chiara's murder.
04:08Sempio kept it aside.
04:09There is the date, the start time of the stop at 10.18,
04:13the amount paid for an hour,
04:15the end time of the stop is 11.18am.
04:18There are none on the receipt.
04:20elements that unequivocally lead back
04:22to the Sempio family car.
04:24Investigations into Andrea Sempio's telephone cells
04:27they would not confirm his presence in Vigevano
04:29during the hours of the receipt.
04:31Already in 2016, his name ended up in the register of suspects
04:35when a genetic report filed by Alberto Stasi's defense
04:39highlights that some traces of DNA were found under Chiara's nails
04:42they can be traced back to Sempio.
04:44In 2017, the preliminary investigations judge,
04:48accepting the request of the prosecutor,
04:50decides to archive his position.
04:52In the provision, the judge underlines
04:54the inadequacy of the methodology used
04:56to find Sempio's DNA,
04:58which was extracted from a small bottle of water,
05:00a coffee cup and a teaspoon,
05:03stolen from a bar by a private investigator
05:05hired by the lawyers of the sole defendant
05:07in the case of the Chiara Poggi murder.
05:10Today, that same prosecutor's office
05:11who had archived Sempio's position
05:13he investigated it again.
05:15But the DNA must be given, coercively.
05:18It will be compared with the traces
05:20found under Chiara's fingernails.
05:22There are other elements on which the prosecution
05:24intends to investigate.
05:26Three phone calls, made between August 7 and 8,
05:29two games from Sempio's cell phone
05:31and one from his home,
05:33towards the Poggi home phone.
05:35In those days, Chiara's brother,
05:37of whom Sempio is a friend,
05:38it's out, in Trentino,
05:40on holiday with parents.
05:41Chiara is alone at home.
05:43Why is Sempio calling?
05:44To the Carabinieri, on October 4, 2008,
05:48Marco didn't give me the exact date
05:50of his departure.
05:51I just remember that a few days later
05:53I called Marco on his cell phone.
05:54Having stored in the address book
05:56of my cell phone Poggi Casa and Poggi Cell,
05:58I mistakenly pressed the call
06:00on fixed users
06:01and not on Marco's mobile.
06:03And then the traces in the Poggi house,
06:05which Sempio often frequented.
06:07In this regard, Marco,
06:09Chiara's brother,
06:10tells investigators
06:11that during the summer of 2007
06:13and until before his departure
06:14for the holidays, August 5th,
06:17he and Sempio often saw each other at home
06:19and during these visits he says
06:21we stayed in the TV room
06:23located on the ground floor
06:24or we went up to the first floor
06:25inside Chiara's bedroom
06:28to use the computer.
06:31In the new investigation
06:32we will try to answer these questions.
06:35The shoe prints
06:36they are compatible in size
06:38with stasis or with Sempio?
06:40And the fingerprints on the dispenser?
06:42In short, the prosecution wants to verify
06:45if there are traces of Sempio
06:46at the crime scene.
06:51So, before you go
06:52with Vittorio Romano
06:53to see well
06:55what did they study
06:57these luminaries
06:59because of course
06:59it's not that they had
07:00DNA traces
07:02they had to take it back
07:03what was already there
07:05it was already written.
07:06We make you feel
07:08the first phone call
07:09these are phone calls
07:11which have been important
07:12in the investigation
07:12Meaning what
07:14Alberto Stasi
07:15who calls 118
07:16and says
07:17a person died
07:19that is, it doesn't say
07:19my girlfriend died.
07:21So, let's hear
07:22his voice
07:23the day he says
07:24I found a body.
07:2718
07:29Yes, I need an ambulance
07:30Giovanni Pascoli Street
07:31in Garlasco
07:32In Garlasco?
07:34Yes
07:35Giovanni Pascoli Street
07:36to the number?
07:37It's the 29th
07:38the dead-end street
07:39I'll find it right away
07:40As?
07:41It's a dead end street
07:42I think it's the 29th
07:43it's not just safe
07:44But what's happening?
07:46I think they killed
07:47a person
07:47I'm not sure
07:48maybe she's alive
07:49But in what sense?
07:50I mean, what happened?
07:51What do you see?
07:53Now I'm gone
07:53to the police
07:54there's blood everywhere
07:56and she's lying on the floor
07:57On the street or at home?
07:58No, at home
07:59Yes, but is she a relative of his?
08:01No, she's my girlfriend
08:03How old is this person?
08:056
08:06All right
08:07now rianne
08:08Does it look like number 29 to you?
08:10However, the dead end street
08:11Surely
08:12I also find
08:12But is she at home now?
08:14No, I'm in caderno
08:15I just arrived
08:16Now
08:16I'll tell you what happened
08:18All right
08:19now we communicate
08:20we too with the carabinieri
08:21and in the meantime I'll send to see
08:22an ambulance
08:24So, what's going on?
08:26That there are no traces of blood
08:27on his shoes
08:28so the investigators
08:29they hypothesize that in reality
08:30he didn't enter
08:32after killing her
08:33leave it there
08:34and then he says he came in
08:36but he didn't actually enter
08:37because his shoes
08:38they must have been dirty
08:40of blood
08:41but the defense
08:43he makes a reconstruction
08:45a reconstruction
08:46of the house
08:47by Chiara Poggi
08:48he makes a reconstruction
08:49and says no
08:49but he could come in
08:51and don't lean
08:52the shoes
08:53on the stains
08:54of blood
08:55if we can
08:55show together
08:56because it's a reconstruction
08:58particular
08:59among other things
08:59consider that it was
09:00that it was dark
09:01here you see
09:02the camera
09:03he takes it back
09:04while he is
09:05going
09:06is looking for
09:07Clear
09:08in the villa
09:08where is it located
09:09precisely
09:10the girlfriend
09:11if we can move on
09:12now the camera
09:13he takes it back
09:14here from behind
09:15he takes it back
09:15from in front
09:16Here you are
09:17it's a bit like if
09:18but he went
09:19in leaps
09:20because how does he do it
09:21not to step on
09:23the blood
09:24which is everywhere
09:24and then
09:25he looks around
09:27search for Chiara
09:28and then there's this door
09:29which is the door
09:30that from below
09:32there are steps
09:33actually he does
09:34some steps
09:36and is taken back
09:38from the cameras
09:39Now
09:39while he is away
09:41returns
09:42backwards
09:43that is, deep down
09:44here are the cameras
09:45they take him back in front
09:46they are particular steps
09:47that are not convincing
09:48the reconstruction is not convincing
09:50Why
09:50the door
09:51it's not like that
09:52there are no steps
09:54that he has to get off
09:55to see
09:55the body
09:56In short
09:58these in summary
09:59are some of the things
10:00but Alberto Stasi
10:02he comes
10:03it's a legal matter
10:05Very
10:05complex
10:06then he is sentenced
10:08at 16 years old
10:09actually
10:09at 24
10:1016
10:10with the rite
10:11abbreviated
10:12At that time
10:13let's go to this
10:14graph
10:15it's an electroferrogram
10:17one thing in short
10:18a little difficult
10:20to explain
10:20but
10:21that's it
10:22that marks
10:23DNA
10:24then becomes
10:25a scheme
10:26made of numbers
10:28and there is the Y
10:29which however means
10:30familiarity
10:31this is
10:32the electroferrogram
10:33which is being studied
10:34from the new experts
10:37it had been
10:39first said
10:39precisely
10:40that there were not
10:41all the numbers
10:42that is, the loci
10:42necessary
10:43to make sure
10:44that it was compatible
10:45with Andrea Sempio
10:46we can go back
10:47by Vittorio Romano
10:48and what happens
10:49instead of them
10:50they study it again
10:50naturally
10:51years have passed
10:53we move on
10:54Also
10:54with science
10:56and what do they discover?
10:57Victor
11:01Exactly
11:01in 2022
11:02again
11:03the lawyers
11:04of Stasi
11:05they deposit
11:05a new consultancy
11:06which is that
11:07of the geneticist
11:07Hedgehogs
11:08of the University
11:08of Florence
11:09that they discover
11:10on these nine tracks
11:11two
11:12I am
11:12first of all
11:13this DNA
11:14it is usable
11:15and readable
11:16according to this advice
11:17and then
11:18that out of nine
11:19two tracks
11:19they are compatible
11:21with those
11:21by Andrea Sempio
11:22and at this point
11:24deposited
11:25this consultancy
11:26in the prosecutor's office
11:26what's happening
11:27the prosecutor's office
11:28does not archive
11:28this time
11:29but he asks
11:30to investigate
11:31he asks twice
11:31to the investigating judge
11:32which opposes
11:33and in the end
11:33with the Court of Cassation
11:34it reopens
11:35again
11:36another investigation
11:37on this
11:38Andrea Sempio
11:39obviously though
11:40it could not be used
11:42to compare DNA
11:43under Chiara Poggi's nails
11:45the one taken
11:45from a private investigator
11:47in 2016
11:47they explained it well
11:48in the service
11:50so now
11:50Andrea Sempio
11:51must undergo
11:53Tomorrow
11:53to this swab
11:54to salivate
11:55and he refused
11:57last week
11:58says his lawyer
11:59who is shocked
12:00he had also released
12:01an interview
12:02eight years ago
12:03saying
12:03In short
12:04I have always been innocent
12:06my life has been turned upside down
12:07even for this short period
12:09Obviously
12:09him now
12:10he didn't show up
12:12at work
12:13he also left
12:14his house
12:15it's all understandable too
12:17tomorrow morning
12:18but he will have to show up
12:19in front of the police
12:20after which
12:20there will be again
12:21a comparison
12:22among his DNA
12:24acquired
12:25in this way
12:26not with a private investigator
12:27who takes a small bottle
12:28of water
12:29Obviously
12:29and this DNA
12:31that in 2014
12:32had been considered
12:33degraded
12:34not usable
12:35the one under Chiara Poggi's nails
12:36but that in 2022
12:38also thanks to new techniques
12:39Federica
12:40can tell us a lot
12:42it's certain
12:43it is no longer considered partial
12:44among other things
12:45as I told you before
12:45Ugo Ricci
12:46who is this luminary of Florence
12:49decides to avail himself
12:51of the study
12:51we also say
12:52of consultancy
12:53from a world expert
12:55Luzio Lever
12:55but it gives
12:57practically
12:57some indications
12:58anonymous
12:59but the result
13:00is that on nine tracks
13:02two would be
13:03of Sempio
13:04and not
13:05of Stasi
13:06so there would be
13:07I'm leaving for a moment
13:09Victor Romano
13:10Why
13:11among other things
13:12they will be compared
13:13the shoes
13:13to see
13:14if it is possible
13:15that they were
13:16of greatness
13:17of Sempio
13:17In short
13:18I have to say that
13:20Obviously
13:20for family members
13:21by Chiara Poggi
13:22it was in short
13:23a day
13:25particularly hard
13:26that is, they
13:27they said
13:28for us
13:28there was a sentence
13:30in Cassation
13:31Stasis
13:32he is guilty
13:33but they are people
13:34so calm
13:35which of course
13:36in a calm manner
13:38In short
13:39they are waiting to see
13:40what is it?
13:41happening
13:42Obviously
13:42Sempio says
13:43it's an event
13:44in mine
13:45comparisons
13:46I already had
13:47clarified everything
13:48the aspects
13:49At that time
13:50thanks to Vittorio Romano
13:51for now
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