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00:00So, a mysterious man has emerged regarding the Garlasco crime,
00:06a truly complicated, never-ending story, but our Vittorio Romano knew more,
00:12he knew, I tell you clearly, who this mysterious man is.
00:16However, it all begins when Andrea Sempio's mother, Vittorio, is questioned by the investigators
00:24and here this name appears.
00:28Sempio's mother was summoned by the Carabinieri in Milan on Monday.
00:33and she immediately avails herself of the right to remain silent, as is her right,
00:38having already explained several times what he did that day, that August 13th,
00:43and yet the police throw out a question, they ask him another question,
00:46she knows and they name this person, we'll get there, or rather they say,
00:52we know that you know this person, okay?
00:58And the woman's reaction was this: What does this name have to do with Chiara Poggi's death?
01:04And here the mystery begins.
01:05It's true, then, it's clear, in fact everyone is making headlines, right?
01:10A mysterious man appears, another person, another name,
01:15and soon we will tell you more about what he does, what he has, when he met Andrea's mother
01:20For example,
01:21but let's go to him first, to Andrea Sempio, because our Vittorio Romano did this interview
01:26to this one who was very young at the time, who had already been investigated,
01:31that he found himself in a nightmare, this is obvious, that is, after years and years his name is said
01:39from Tg1
01:39and then in all the newspapers and everywhere, and for Andrea Sempio it becomes a nightmare again.
01:45So it's a special interview, isn't it?
01:48It was not really looked at what it is made of, what he did with it,
01:52what everyone is wondering too, but also what, this, how is he experiencing it, right?
01:58As a spectator, but not too much of a spectator, because this boulder fell on him again.
02:04What does Andrea Sempio tell us?
02:07And then we'll go to the mystery man.
02:13What's it like to be under investigation?
02:15After a while, more than anxiety, you get paranoid, because you start thinking,
02:20will they be listening to me right now?
02:22But is there anyone watching me?
02:24But if I now, who knows, talk to a friend of mine about that film that came out,
02:32and it's a horror movie, aren't they going to use that as a basis for another story?
02:38I'm not seeing my friends at the moment for fear of dragging them in,
02:41but for fear that in the sense that they too will find themselves not under investigation, but persecuted.
02:50After a while you always have the paranoia to say, but is there someone following me?
02:54But will they be listening to me?
02:55But if I put a song in the car and then that song, who knows,
03:00is it a metal song or is it a song that says that thing there,
03:05Could it be that they'll attach it to something later?
03:07So after a while I start to get paranoid.
03:11He has been living with the suspect for ten years, who was followed by a private investigator in 2016,
03:17then investigated by the Pavia prosecutor's office and closed the following year.
03:19In 2020, the Milan Carabinieri filed a report on him.
03:23In 2025 Andrea Sempio was once again formally entered into the register of suspects.
03:29The accusation is always the same: having killed Chiara Poggi, the sister of his friend Marco.
03:33Do you feel persecuted?
03:35I think this is a bit of a definition of stalking.
03:38When the victim is forced to change his habits and begins to be afraid of living his life.
03:51This should be, if I'm not mistaken, the definition of stalking.
03:54For the first time since his face returned to the front pages, Sempio loses with a resigned look
03:59from sacrificial victim.
04:00For the first time he lets all his impatience show.
04:04Have you got an idea?
04:06There is a convicted person and he continues to investigate you.
04:08There also comes a time when you say, this will be the time when we finally say enough and you can finally be free.
04:1537-year-old single, clerk in a telephone shop.
04:18Who is Andrea Sempio?
04:20The killer who has been hiding a secret for 18 years?
04:22Or the family friend, chosen to divert suspicion from the only one definitively convicted for the murder of
04:28Chiara Poggi?
04:29Ex-boyfriend Alberto Stato.
04:31Let's take a leap into the past, summer 2007.
04:35August 2007, you were 19 years old.
04:37How did you spend your days?
04:39It was a very normal provincial summer where there isn't much to do, so every now and then you went to the swimming pool,
04:48in Garlasco there is a famous swimming pool, or for example we went to Marco's house, at the time we played video games,
04:57You spent the afternoon there, every now and then we maybe went to the pitch to play a bit of football among ourselves
05:04and off we go.
05:04Those were the days, there was nothing else.
05:07But how would you describe 18-year-old Andrea Sempio? A clubber? An introvert?
05:14No, I wasn't a clubber, simple and introverted. That's what I was back then. I certainly wasn't the most outgoing, the most relaxed person in the group.
05:27company.
05:28I mean, with my friends, yes. On the outside, I was the more reserved one. I definitely wasn't a party person.
05:33disco, I wasn't the most relaxed one.
05:35You see my photos from that time, maybe you see me dressed in dark clothes, you see me with long hair, I can understand.
05:42which, in the sense, you can point to me a little, in the sense of saying, that guy seems like the weird one to me
05:53of the company.
05:54I can understand that, but in the end it was that, maybe I was dressed in dark clothes, maybe you had a T-shirt on
05:59metal band, I had long hair.
06:03But then the story ended there.
06:04Were you a metalhead?
06:06Yes, you can say yes.
06:08There wasn't even, for example, the strange group of kids you're talking about, but who knows what that group is up to?
06:13group there.
06:13No, I'm the only one with it.
06:15I mean, even in photos from that time you see very normal guys and at most you see this guy dressed in dark clothes.
06:20According to the Pavia prosecutor's office, the DNA found on Chiara Poggi's nails is compatible with hers.
06:25A minimal, partial, deteriorated trace, which will be at the centre of the evidentiary hearing on 16 May,
06:31when the fingerprints on dozens of finds taken from the Poggi house will also be analyzed.
06:35The bath mat, the hair, a jar of fruit.
06:39In that house I was in practically every room except the parents' bedroom.
06:46Not that one, but I have frequented all the other rooms.
06:48I mean, I was in the bathroom, I was... there were two living rooms.
06:53There was the one at the entrance and the one after where there was the television, there was another console.
06:56So I've been to both.
06:58If they find traces of me around, I wouldn't be surprised.
07:03The Pavia prosecutor's office summoned the mother, for example.
07:05Even friends in her group searched for traces of DNA in their cousin's garbage.
07:11Keep digging into the life of this boy, his family,
07:14as if he had been keeping a terrible secret for 18 years.
07:17There's something, some secret, something you haven't said,
07:21what could have made the investigators suspicious?
07:24No, I mean, but then, if I had had other problems, everyone would know about them by now.
07:30I mean, if I had been involved in something else than...
07:34strange if I had caused some trouble in the village, or that...
07:38we would already know.
07:40I hadn't had any problems with the law, or that...
07:43never had anything.
07:44But was he investigated for stalking?
07:47No.
07:47Drug dealing?
07:49No, no, no, no.
07:50If there was something strange it would have already come out.
07:54The strange things about me is, she had long hair, she dressed in dark clothes and good, that's it.
07:59In my opinion there are some normal things that are seen, however,
08:03that are distorted, that are seen, that are twisted to bring out the monster.
08:09That is.
08:13So, what happens next?
08:14That on Monday, as Vittorio Romano told us, Andrea Sempio's mother is summoned to the barracks.
08:20You may avail yourself of the right to remain silent.
08:22She is not under investigation, but she is related, in the sense that she is the mother of the suspect,
08:25therefore he can avail himself of the right to remain silent.
08:28She does not have to show up with a lawyer because she is not under investigation,
08:31but may not answer questions.
08:33She says it, she doesn't answer the questions, but a question is asked anyway,
08:38and she is given a name, that is, she is told, but do you know this person, have you seen him?
08:43And so at this point you are very surprised, as Vittorio Romano told us, by this question.
08:49Then what was learned?
08:51That she felt sick.
08:53But now we are hearing from the lawyer, Angela Taccia,
08:56who is Andrea Sempio's lawyer, but is also a family friend,
09:00who explains to Vittorio Romano that among other things the problem is that there was a lot of attention,
09:05there were many journalists, so this woman, Andrea Sempio's mother,
09:09in reality she was very tense precisely because she felt this very strong attention on her,
09:14in the sense that he was still ill.
09:16Indeed if we can show the images as often happens
09:20when there are these strong, national cases,
09:23obviously there are, I don't know if we can also discuss it with the lawyer,
09:29that right at a certain point...
09:34Okay, the lawyer says at the beginning, she felt bad,
09:40make way, don't be oppressive, etc., he tells the journalists.
09:45And what does our Vittorio Romano explain?
09:48on this fact that she felt ill during this interview
09:54in the Carabinieri barracks
09:56and also on the fact, if it is true, that this name was mentioned,
10:01that then Vittorio Romano, as you have already understood,
10:04he knows very well who this mysterious man is.
10:07What does the lawyer tell us?
10:09Lawyer Taccia, I repeat, is Andrea Sempio's lawyer,
10:12in this case it is a family friend,
10:15so she doesn't go inside when the Carabinieri are there
10:19that feel the woman.
10:22Lawyer, can we ask you two questions just about Sempio's mother?
10:27Ok, tell me, yes, good morning.
10:29Let's put the humerus here, it only tells us this,
10:31Is it true that Sempio's mother felt ill during the interrogation?
10:37Monday, yes.
10:38She had a very strong panic attack during the interrogation,
10:45but he had already had some strong anxiety peaks
10:51when we got out of the taxi at the entrance to the barracks,
10:55because he didn't expect all that crowd,
10:58in short she was pushed, jostled,
11:00so he was afraid of going out,
11:02but she hadn't expected the crowd at the entrance to be so intrusive.
11:07I can only ask if she felt ill.
11:09after a third person's name has been mentioned,
11:12that is, a new person in this investigation?
11:14I read that Sempio's mother had a sudden illness.
11:17when she was asked that question about that person.
11:21It doesn't seem like that to me, although, I repeat, I wasn't there,
11:25but she was already nervous before
11:28and after, since she told me
11:30I didn't expect them to ask me any more questions
11:33after the abstention, I got even more agitated
11:37and then I didn't understand anything anymore, he told me.
11:39May I ask why you decided to avail yourself of it?
11:42the right to remain silent, even though I absolutely have the right to do so?
11:44She repeated to me more than once
11:47but in your opinion Angela why do they want to hear from me again?
11:50on the same things?
11:51I have already explained exactly what I had to say several times.
11:55and the version is always the same, I can't contradict myself because that's how it went.
12:01So, it's clear that Vittorio was expecting some questions.
12:03I don't know, on the famous parking receipt
12:06about that day, etc.
12:09Instead, as lawyer Angela Deci tells us
12:11always on August 13th
12:14she is amazed when he says
12:16I avail myself of the right to remain silent
12:18but the question is asked about this mysterious character.
12:22What can you tell us about him?
12:28So, we know who this mysterious character is
12:31this new man who enters the investigation into Chiara Poggi's death
12:34we only give the first name, not the last name
12:36his name is Antonio
12:37he is a former firefighter from Garlasco
12:41he is currently retired
12:43and what does it have to do with Andrea Sempio's mother?
12:45first of all let's say that Andrea Sempio's mother said
12:47yes, I know him, I knew him
12:49but he hasn't seen him for 25 years
12:52so there is no relationship at the moment
12:54between these two people
12:55the only relationship is some text messages at Christmas
12:59greetings that are sent to everyone basically
13:02nothing more
13:03How did she meet this mysterious man?
13:05Andrea Sempio's mother?
13:07He met him at a safety course.
13:10because he was the fireman
13:12responsible for carrying out this fire prevention course
13:15to the employees of the nursing home
13:17where Andrea Sempio's mother worked
13:20so this was the contact
13:22that's why the mother basically said
13:24but what does it have to do with it, why do you give me this name?
13:27Now let's also say that Andrea Sempio
13:29and Andrea Sempio's father
13:31they have never heard of this person
13:33he is not a family friend
13:35This obviously only adds to the mystery.
13:40let's say rightly
13:41why do the police use this name?
13:44during a hearing
13:46remember it's not actually an interrogation
13:48the mother is not under investigation
13:50the mother took advantage of
13:51the right to remain silent
13:52also because he has already answered the police many times
13:55about what happened in the trichocoso
13:57it has already been clarified
13:58and the son has already been archived
13:59let's try to understand together
14:01What are these elements?
14:02which can lead us to understand the connection
14:05between this mysterious man
14:06the one we said is called Antonio
14:07let's repeat it
14:07he is a former firefighter from Garlasco
14:09and who is not under investigation though
14:10let's say it
14:13Vittorio is not under investigation
14:14he is not under investigation
14:17he was heard by the police
14:19but he is not under investigation
14:20you tried to contact him
14:22but he didn't answer you
14:24he didn't answer us in short
14:28he surely knows we are looking for him
14:32we called him
14:39on DNA
14:40you wanted to tell us something
14:42that then everything is based on this DNA
14:45found in Chiara's nails
14:47Please
14:49the question is essentially this
14:51because the carabinieri at a certain point
14:52they make this name
14:53precisely that he is not under investigation
14:55what does this have to do with Chiara Poggi's death?
14:57they want to put the woman in difficulty
15:00Why?
15:00what is the real reason?
15:02so first of all let's remember
15:03that the Pavia prosecutor's office
15:03opened an investigation
15:05for example, for murder
15:07in competition with Stasi
15:09and with other subjects
15:10yet to be identified
15:12so we think
15:14that the Pavia investigation
15:15is expanding
15:16and they are paying attention
15:19many other subjects
15:21then we talk about DNA
15:23we know that
15:26not below
15:27but on the nails
15:28Attention
15:28there's always confusion
15:30there is no one's skin
15:32under Chiara Poggi's nails
15:33but on the extremity
15:35Chiara Poggi's nails
15:36DNA was found
15:38this DNA for years
15:39it was considered precisely
15:41of a minimal quantity
15:43not comparable
15:44now the Pavia prosecutor's office
15:45obviously giving
15:47the assignment
15:47consultancy at Previdare
15:48a geneticist
15:50of the University of Pavia
15:51believes that this DNA
15:53under the tall ones of Chiara Poggi
15:54be readable
15:55and they found
15:57three traces of DNA
15:58now we know
15:59that always
16:01according to the advice to Previdare
16:02two of these tracks
16:03they are compatible
16:04with Andrea Sempio
16:06or attention
16:07with the paternal line
16:09of his family
16:10and instead
16:12the third
16:14the third trace of DNA
16:15it is not compatible
16:16with Sempio
16:17and we remember
16:18it is not compatible
16:19not even with Stasi
16:20so it's clear
16:21that the Pavia prosecutor's office
16:22is trying to give
16:23a name unknown to this
16:24and of course
16:25then Vittorio
16:26if it was very clear
16:27naturally
16:28if
16:28Excuse me
16:29I interrupted
16:32no no no
16:33please please
16:34I didn't want to tell you
16:35naturally
16:35if we can understand
16:36moreover
16:37that is, why
16:38they asked this question
16:39to mom
16:41by Andrea Sempio
16:42what does it have to do with it?
16:43in this whole affair
16:44to this man
16:46who was a firefighter
16:46then you ask us
16:48the line
16:48At that time
16:49we'll give you back your line
16:50naturally
16:51if we have any news
16:52in addition
16:52All right
16:55we will call him back
16:56and we hope he answers us
16:57well we are here
16:58also to hear
16:58his version
16:59to know what
17:00they asked him
17:00what he has to say
17:01if he is surprised
17:02of this involvement
17:03we are very close to him
17:05at this moment
17:06so just open the door
17:08let's talk to him
17:10then naturally
17:12thanks to Vittorio Romano
17:13for now
17:14because after all
17:15it is obviously
17:16which is a situation
17:17very complicated
17:18with Andrea Sempio
17:19which as he told us
17:20Victor Romano
17:21he is under investigation though
17:22in competition
17:24then let's go back
17:25to the right of Garlasco
17:26why we left
17:27Victor Romano
17:28that he felt
17:28to search
17:31this mysterious man
17:32but anyway
17:33you know it
17:33we know
17:34Victor Romano
17:35he knows who he is
17:36and then he looked for it
17:39let's say well
17:40to our viewers
17:41what's the news
17:42let's say very important
17:43today
17:43about Garlasco
17:45Victor
17:48not only
17:49we looked for it
17:50we sent
17:51even some messages
17:53Surely
17:54he viewed them
17:55but now
17:55he blocked us
17:56the number
17:56so it means
17:57that Mr. Antonio
17:58the mysterious man
18:00entered now
18:01in the Garlasco crime
18:02in the investigations
18:02on the Garlasco crime
18:04he doesn't want to talk
18:05he has no interest
18:06to speak
18:07Obviously
18:07we think it is
18:08locked in the house
18:09In short
18:09if he wants though
18:10say something
18:12tell us
18:13what it can tell us
18:14we know that he
18:15it has already been heard
18:17from the carabinieri
18:18not as investigated
18:18Obviously
18:19we are not aware of this at all
18:20that he is under investigation
18:22we were reasoning
18:23only on one point
18:24if the mother
18:25he always said
18:26of not seeing it
18:27for 25 years
18:29it's not possible
18:30which therefore
18:30this testimony
18:31deny
18:32what is the reconstruction
18:33of that day
18:35August 13, 2007
18:36the mother said
18:37of having gone
18:37essentially
18:38to do the shopping
18:39and to be back
18:40anyway at 10
18:41minus 10
18:42about at home
18:42having given the car
18:44to the son
18:44Andrea Sempio
18:45under investigation
18:45with a citizen of Chiara Poggi
18:47that she went to buy
18:48a book
18:49in Vigevono
18:50so if they
18:50they can't be seen
18:51at 25 years old
18:51since there have been
18:52some reconstructions
18:53of print
18:54it's being talked about
18:55a lot now
18:55of this mysterious man
18:57let's say that
18:58if it's true
18:59what they don't see
18:59at 25 years old
19:00we can exclude
19:01that the testimony
19:03of this mysterious man
19:05what do we say?
19:05his name is Antonio
19:07can deny
19:08what it is
19:09the testimony
19:10as told
19:11from the mother
19:12by Andrea Sempio
19:13we only remember
19:14two elements
19:15Federica
19:16then I have to do
19:16a clarification
19:17At that time
19:18who is this Antonio?
19:19he is a firefighter
19:20retired
19:21from Garlasco
19:21very very well known
19:22In short
19:23a person
19:24that everyone here knows
19:26he also did
19:26the volunteer
19:27for the cross
19:27from Garlaschese
19:28among other things
19:29very curious
19:30to this fact
19:32the barracks
19:33of the Fire Brigade
19:33it's next door
19:34to the cross
19:35from Garlaschese
19:35which you may remember
19:37it's a place
19:39of volunteering
19:40who had already entered
19:40right now
19:41in 2007
19:42in 2008
19:42in the investigations
19:43for the crime
19:44because there
19:44In short
19:44they were volunteers
19:45a relative
19:47Chiara Poggi's own
19:48sorry Vittorio
19:49for those who have put themselves
19:49in touch if necessary
19:50with us only now
19:51what's happening
19:52this man appears
19:53mysterious
19:53because mom
19:54by Andrea Sempio
19:55heard by the police
19:57makes use of the faculty
19:58not to answer
19:58even though she
20:00he said
20:00don't answer questions
20:01but they talk to him
20:02of this man
20:03so she stays
20:04even perplexed
20:05because he says
20:05why do they talk to me
20:06of this man
20:07I met
20:07a long time ago
20:09had perhaps done
20:10a course with him
20:12for safety
20:13precisely because he
20:14he's a firefighter
20:15so what happens
20:16that somehow
20:17the carabinieri
20:21they try to understand
20:22something
20:23from mom
20:23by Andrea Sempio
20:24not by Andrea Sempio
20:25not from the father
20:26but from mom
20:28of this man
20:29that somehow
20:30Anyway
20:31enter into this story
20:33very complicated
20:34of the crime
20:35by Chiara Poggi
20:36and of course
20:38you with
20:39let's say
20:39with your sources
20:40you succeeded
20:40to understand
20:41who was it about?
20:42while the lawyer
20:44No
20:44Of
20:44the family lawyer
20:46who is the lawyer
20:46by Andrea Sempio
20:47he told you
20:47look
20:48I'm not really
20:49entrance
20:49while she was being heard
20:51the mother
20:51Why
20:52she was not under investigation
20:53so she didn't come in
20:54let's make a clarification
20:56Federica
20:57Yes
20:57Thank you
20:58we need to make a clarification
20:59Obviously
21:00the lawyer refused
21:01to give us a name
21:02of this person
21:02but Garlasco
21:03it's small
21:04and then
21:05since yesterday
21:06this name was circulating
21:07today obviously
21:08we had the confirmation
21:09we are talking
21:10of a country
21:10of a few thousand souls
21:11where practically
21:12they all know each other
21:13at this moment
21:14we are checking
21:15Also
21:16kinship ties
21:18with this mysterious man
21:19and there are
21:20In short
21:20other surnames
21:21that come back
21:22that they already have
21:23have already been involved
21:25or at least
21:25however cited
21:26in the investigation
21:27on the right of Chiara Poggia
21:29it's clear that it's a puzzle
21:30it's certain
21:31it's a puzzle
21:31which is all to be built
21:33but anyway
21:33come in let's say
21:34a protagonist
21:35which wasn't there before
21:36in this story
21:37really complicated
21:39we thank Vittorio
21:40why Vittorio Romano
21:41in short he made us understand
21:43No
21:44of what man
21:45who is it about?
21:46In short
21:46he is not a person under investigation
21:48but somehow
21:48enter this story
21:50what is it about
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