00:01We are now showing you an unpublished document. You must pay close attention, especially to the words, because this is an environmental interception.
00:10Four days have passed since the murder of Chiara Poggi, in this room there is Alberto Stasi, we are in the barracks of
00:17Carabinieri, Alberto Stasi is here, Chiara's cousin is here.
00:22Alberto Stasi, you know, is her boyfriend, he says he found her lying there on the floor when he arrived
00:29at his house.
00:31So, I was telling you that this is an unpublished document, basically there is a video camera and a bug, a microphone, they are
00:37were hidden to capture some phrase, some Stasi phrase.
00:42The Carabinieri hope to hear something that could compromise his situation, only four days have passed.
00:49But the strange thing is that this document somehow isn't translated, we can say, that is, it isn't
00:54transcribed, this recording is in the records, but there is no transcription.
00:59So we tried with our RAI technicians, who are very good, to amplify the voice as much as possible to make it
01:08hear from you, viewers, of Who has seen it.
01:11The report by our correspondent, Claudia Aldi.
01:16I told them everything I knew that could help them find out who did it.
01:21Here you are.
01:22And that's it. With all I knew, I just said it.
01:26What do you think about the fact that some people say that perhaps they wouldn't have believed her completely?
01:30I don't know if they believed me or not, I told them everything I knew.
01:35It is Alberto Stasi, chased by journalists, a few days after the death of his girlfriend Chiara Poggi,
01:41when the Carabinieri summoned him to the barracks for now as a person informed of the facts.
01:47From him, who was the last to see Chiara alive and the first to discover her body,
01:52Investigators wanted to know what happened on August 13, 2007.
01:56in the villa on Via Pascoli in Garlasco,
01:59more and more convinced, hour after hour, of his guilt.
02:07Almost seven years have passed since those days
02:10and in exactly one week, on April 9th,
02:13Alberto Stasi will appear for the second time before the judges of the Court of Appeal of Milan,
02:19still accused of Chiara's murder.
02:22But let's go back to those hours, when Alberto spent entire days in the barracks.
02:28We are able to show you an unpublished document,
02:31an audio-video interception recorded in one of the offices
02:35of the Carabinieri Company of Vigevano on 17 August 2007.
02:40This is the second time that Alberto has been questioned at length by investigators after August 13th.
02:46As far as we know from this interception,
02:49very disturbed in the original,
02:51it would never have been transcribed.
02:53Yet, what Alberto said,
02:56it could have been important
02:58if analyzed and compared
03:00with what happened over the years.
03:02Thanks to our audio-rai technicians
03:06We have managed to make this document as clear as possible.
03:22Here he is Alberto.
03:24As you have heard, after hours of questions
03:26He is given a break to quench his thirst and recover.
03:30Alberto enters another office
03:32and find Stefania Cappa,
03:34one of the twins,
03:35Chiara's cousins.
03:47Alberto and Stefania
03:48It's the first time they've met in person.
03:51They stay talking for a long time
03:53until Alberto is called back into the other room
03:56where he will remain until late at night.
03:58The minutes, in fact,
04:00it closes at midnight or one minute
04:02of August 18, 2007.
04:07Alberto complains about the journalists who besiege him,
04:11of the carabinieri who give him no respite,
04:13of that constant coming and going in the barracks
04:15which, he says, makes him miss the day's ride
04:18and he is worried about his thesis
04:20which he can no longer work on.
04:31Alberto doesn't talk about Chiara and what happened
04:34until Stefania turns to him,
04:35insisting,
04:36a specific question.
04:37As?
04:39As?
04:40As?
04:41As?
04:42As?
04:43Are you asking me?
04:44As?
04:47You're asking me for a second
04:49I don't know why he didn't come back.
04:52It's like a flash.
04:53I got a flash in my eyes.
04:55It's about getting us down, on the deadline.
05:00It's like a flash, I don't know.
05:02I don't know, I ran away.
05:20Did you hear that right?
05:21Alberto repeats several times to Stefania
05:23of having seen that Chiara,
05:25when he discovered her body,
05:27his face was white.
05:28It's to get us down,
05:30it's to make us down,
05:33it's to bring us down.
05:34Yet, as they demonstrate
05:36the shots of the inspection
05:37in the villa on Via Pascoli,
05:39Chiara had blood on her face
05:41and covered by hair.
05:43Just as rebuilt
05:45in this drawing.
05:47Alberto Stasi, on the other hand,
05:48he says he saw
05:49a white piece.
05:51There is a white piece seen,
05:53they say,
05:54I don't know,
05:55I don't know,
05:56I don't know,
05:57I don't know,
05:57I don't know,
05:58I don't know,
05:59I don't know,
06:00I don't know.
06:02Is this a description?
06:03that Alberto had done
06:05to the Carabinieri also on August 13th,
06:07which he will reiterate on the same day
06:08of audio-video interception,
06:10August 17th,
06:11and that, instead,
06:13will change five days later,
06:15August 22nd,
06:16when it will be heard
06:17for the first time
06:18as a suspect,
06:20after introducing himself
06:21spontaneously to the prosecutor's office,
06:23accompanied by his lawyer.
06:26Listen to what Stasi responds
06:28to the PM,
06:29who asks him if he confirms
06:30the statements made
06:31previously to the Carabinieri.
06:34I confirm again
06:35the statements
06:35that have been given to me
06:36fully reread
06:37and I want to do
06:38the following clarifications.
06:40As for the white part
06:42that I have previously
06:43said he saw
06:44and that I recognized
06:45like the white part
06:47of the face,
06:48I want to clarify
06:49what is it about
06:49of what I thought
06:50or believed
06:51of having seen,
06:53because in fact
06:53it was a matter
06:54of an instant
06:55and I tried something
06:56that I have never tried
06:57in my life.
06:59I need to clarify what for
07:00I mean panic,
07:01fear,
07:02a feeling
07:03that I can't describe.
07:04Effectively
07:05I didn't look
07:06and what I said
07:07that's what I thought
07:08of having seen.
07:12Why Alberto Stasi
07:13he takes it back
07:14what he said
07:15and he is no longer convinced
07:16that Chiara's face
07:17was he pale?
07:18On the contrary,
07:18it is even said
07:19victim of a hallucination?
07:22The investigators
07:23they consider it impossible
07:24that Alberto,
07:25having descended
07:26just two steps
07:27of the ladder
07:27where it was located
07:28Chiara's body
07:29and supporting among other things
07:31that the light was out,
07:32may have noticed
07:33the paleness of the face
07:34typical of a person
07:36now lifeless
07:37and they suspect
07:39that he changed his version
07:40after seeing
07:41the photos of the inspection.
07:43For the prosecution,
07:44In short,
07:45the scene described
07:46from Stasi
07:46it would therefore be
07:47the one that the boy
07:48he would have seen
07:49at the time of the crime
07:50and not a few hours later
07:52at the time of discovery
07:53of the body.
07:54Because of this,
07:55always supports the accusation,
07:57Alberto would not have waited
07:58rescue inside the house
07:59and for this
08:01would have described
08:02like white
08:02Chiara's face,
08:04remembering it that is
08:05before that with passing
08:06of the hours
08:07the blood
08:08dripping from the head
08:09and made it completely dirty.
08:13But what happened?
08:14when Alberto says
08:15of having entered the house
08:16and discovered the crime?
08:19Let's reconstruct the path
08:20what Alberto said
08:21to the Carabinieri of having done
08:22helping us
08:23with the reconstruction
08:24in 3D
08:25made during the course
08:26of the process
08:27from the civil party.
08:33The door opened
08:34and I didn't notice
08:35no sign
08:35of burglary.
08:36I entered the house
08:38and I saw the TV
08:38lit in the small room
08:40where we were
08:41secluded the night before.
08:42So I thought
08:43that it could be there.
08:45I looked in the bathroom
08:47and it was empty.
08:48I looked close
08:49at the door
08:49which leads to the pits
08:50not noticing anything.
08:53Going back
08:54from the small room
08:54towards the entrance door
08:56you pass by
08:57at the door
08:57which leads to the cellar.
08:59I opened it
09:00and I saw
09:01blood on the ground.
09:02I took one or two steps
09:04and I saw Chiara
09:05pours down the stairs
09:06with the face
09:07facing the ground.
09:08I ran away
09:10going out into the street.
09:13And it is at this point
09:14that Alberto asks for help.
09:16Let's find the word
09:19right away.
09:20Certain?
09:21It was the...
09:21I called
09:24in 2-10.
09:26At 118
09:27every now and again
09:28they went to the police station.
09:32Precisely on August 17, 2007
09:34the day
09:35of the interception
09:36audio-video
09:37telling again
09:38the path taken
09:39Alberto specifies
09:40to the police
09:41of not having looked
09:42where he put his feet
09:43and reiterates it
09:44for three times
09:45within a few minutes.
09:47For the prosecution
09:48this
09:49it wouldn't be
09:50a clarification
09:50of little importance
09:51since Alberto Stasi
09:53even though I'm entering
09:54in a house
09:54whose shutters
09:55they were almost all
09:56still closed
09:57even though he was pushed
09:58from the agitation
09:59and from fear
09:59that it had happened
10:01something serious
10:01to his girlfriend
10:02manages not to trample
10:04none of the stains
10:05of blood
10:05from the largest
10:06to the smallest
10:07that describe us
10:08the dynamics
10:09of the crime.
10:12The shoes that Alberto Stasi
10:14wears at the moment
10:15of his arrival
10:15at the barracks
10:16of the carabinieri
10:16from Garlasco
10:17there are a couple
10:18of racoste
10:19once analyzed
10:21they test negative
10:22tests for research
10:23of matic traces
10:24the absence of blood
10:26on the soles
10:27along with the fact
10:29that of those shoes
10:30at home
10:30there is no footprint
10:32for the prosecution
10:33it means that Alberto
10:34he never entered
10:35in the villa
10:36of Pascoli Street
10:37after the assassination
10:38by Chiara Poggi
10:39limiting himself only
10:40to raise the alarm
10:43agrees with the accusation
10:44even the mother
10:45by Chiara
10:46Rita Preda
10:47that just a few days ago
10:48in an interview
10:49in a daily newspaper
10:50he said
10:52we don't want
10:53crucify no one
10:54but it should be done
10:55knowing how to fly
10:56to avoid getting dirty
10:57the blood shoes
10:58and to not leave
10:59not even a footprint
11:00Therefore
11:01as Stasi did
11:03I would like to ask him
11:04and then
11:05how could he say
11:06standing tall
11:07that Chiara was pale
11:08when he saw her
11:09because Chiara actually
11:10everything was
11:11less than pale
11:12he had long hair
11:14that covered her face
11:15and the face
11:15it was dirty
11:16of the blood that flowed
11:34according to the instructions
11:36of the Court of Cassation
11:37who asked
11:38a new trial
11:38to shed light
11:39on death
11:40by Chiara Poggi
11:41the judges
11:42the judges of the Court
11:42of the Court of Appeal of Milan
11:43that from the next
11:44Wednesday
11:45they will meet again
11:46in front of Alberto Stasi
11:47they will have to have
11:49new and more precise
11:50investigations
11:51above all
11:52in relation
11:53to the reconstruction
11:54of the crime scene
11:55and to the movements
11:56by Alberto
11:57August 13, 2007
11:59in the villa
12:00of Via Pascoli
12:01but in the light
12:02of the interception
12:04that you just saw
12:05and listened
12:06the judges
12:07at this point
12:08they will have to answer
12:09with certainty
12:10also to another question
12:12it is possible
12:13that Alberto Stasi
12:14I discovered
12:15Chiara's body
12:16and noticed it
12:17the face
12:18pale in his opinion
12:19even going down
12:20two steps
12:21without getting dirty
12:22not at all bloody
12:23the soles of the shoes
12:24and without leaving footprints
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