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00:02Dear editor, we read with alarm Carlton Crowe's article about Judge Margaret Wilbur's nomination to head the city's Family Services
00:09Commission.
00:10He claims she's not qualified for the position because she put a family together that has two fathers and no
00:15mother.
00:16He claims that that is no family at all.
00:18Well, they're my two fathers, and we're a great family, and she was right to do it.
00:22So if you're any kind of a newspaper, you'll take it all back.
00:25Yours truly, Nicole Bradford.
00:30Coffee.
00:31Hey, Judge. You holding up okay?
00:34Why?
00:35Because some guy with a column and no brains is taking pot shots at me in the daily rag?
00:40What do I care?
00:42I got the sun in the morning and the moon at night.
00:47Okay.
00:49Anybody recall in Crowe's column today?
00:51Apparently the mayor's getting cold feet and maybe thinking about withdrawing your nomination.
00:56Let me see that.
00:57I better get my letter in quick.
00:58Mike, what's the address of that paper?
01:01I'll save you the stamp.
01:02You can give it to me now.
01:05Yes, it is I, Carlton Crowe.
01:09Guy with a column and no brains.
01:12Hey, where the hell do you get off writing a bunch of lies about anybody in this family being unstable?
01:18Easy, Spike.
01:19Come on, let's go play with your rubber mouse.
01:21Michael's right, Joe.
01:22You stay out of this.
01:24I know how to handle the press.
01:30Get out of my face, you bucket of sewage.
01:36Have we vented sufficiently?
01:39Good.
01:40Now to business.
01:41Judge Wilbur, will you be withdrawing your name and making the mayor a happy chappy?
01:47My question exactly.
01:49Oh, look.
01:50The broadcast media.
01:52Myra Young?
01:53I can't believe it.
01:55Your hair really does look like that.
01:58Judge Wilbur, I'd like to do a piece on you for profiles.
02:03You want to take me apart?
02:05Get in line.
02:06You're a public figure, Judge.
02:08The mayor appoints you to head a commission on families.
02:10The reporter uncovers an unorthodox family that you put together and claims that makes you the wrong person for the
02:17job.
02:18My viewers want to know who's right, the judge or the reporter.
02:23Interested?
02:25Interested.
02:26One thing.
02:29I can't do a story on you and leave them out of it.
02:37Forget it.
02:38Oh, what's the matter, judgy?
02:41Afraid that your family will wither in the glare of the TV lights?
02:47I won't have them dragged into this.
02:49Judge, we're already in it.
02:51He attacks you, he attacks us.
02:55We want you, sucker.
03:00How about it, judge?
03:05You're on.
03:08Bub.
03:12This is me, Nicole Bradford.
03:14Cute, huh?
03:14This is my dad.
03:16And this is my dad.
03:17How'd I get you, dad?
03:18They inherited me.
03:20Congratulations.
03:21It's a girl.
03:22Here's the judge who brought us together.
03:24She lives in our building.
03:25My building.
03:26I own it.
03:27She's going to make sure we're one big happy family.
03:29With one dad who's down to earth.
03:31And one dad with his head in the clouds.
03:33I think we're father of the year.
03:36You can count on me.
03:38No matter what you do.
03:40You can count on me.
03:43No matter where you go.
03:45I'm standing by your side.
03:47I'll be right behind.
03:49No one loves you more than I do.
03:53Put your head in the clouds.
03:55You can count on me.
03:58No matter what you do.
04:00You can count on me.
04:02No matter where you go.
04:05You can count on me.
04:12Welcome to Profiles.
04:14Tonight, families.
04:16It used to be easy to spot one.
04:18Mom, dad, Susie, Bobby, Fido.
04:21Now the definition is hazy.
04:24With domestic units ranging from single parent households to communes.
04:28It's gotten so confusing that the mayor of New York has appointed this woman, Judge Margaret Wilbur,
04:35to head a commission with the purpose of defining the family unit today
04:39and determining who is and who is not eligible to receive family service benefits.
04:46On the fourth floor of this loft in the Soho district of New York City,
04:5012-year-old Nicole Bradford lives.
04:52Nicole's mother died less than a year ago,
04:56leaving a will that specified Nicole be left with her father in New York City,
05:00a father Nicole did not know existed.
05:03Hi, dad.
05:04Hey, sweetheart.
05:07A typical father-daughter relationship,
05:10except for one unusual wrinkle in this arrangement.
05:16Hi, dad.
05:17Hey, sweetheart.
05:18Hiya, Joe.
05:19Hey, Michael.
05:20How was your day?
05:21And thereby hangs a tale.
05:24Michael and Joey were best friends their whole lives until they met Nicole's mother.
05:28They both fell in love with her, and they fought over it.
05:33She didn't want to be the cause of ending a lifelong friendship, so she left.
05:37But the damage was already done.
05:40They didn't speak to each other again until I called them in to read the will.
05:44Whatever Marcy left us, let's appraise it, sell it, split it, goodbye.
05:49Agreed?
05:50Congratulations.
05:51It's a girl.
05:54We're talking about a child here, huh?
05:56A little child.
05:58Now, if you don't want her, I'll take her, okay?
06:00I'll take Nicole.
06:02I'll take Nicole.
06:03Wait, want some fries with that?
06:07And you allowed this?
06:11Yeah.
06:11What the hell?
06:12Well, maybe she thinks that's just peaches and cream, but quite frankly, it makes me nauseous.
06:18Carlton Crowe broke the story for the New York Sentinel.
06:21He's covered City Hall for the last two years.
06:24Here's a woman who is appointed to uphold the sanctity of the American family, and she's handing out 12-year
06:32-olds to bachelors.
06:33I mean, what's next?
06:34She gives a cat to a busboy, and that's a family, and they get to sponge off the city.
06:39The paper is firmly behind Carlton.
06:43Milt Tucker is the managing editor of the Sentinel and Crowe's boss.
06:47I mean, we're not making this up.
06:49I mean, Carlton did his homework, right?
06:54So has this judge created a family unit, or thrown together a questionable arrangement, as the Sentinel maintains?
07:02We decided to get to know the family in question and see for ourselves.
07:06I was scared of New York at first.
07:08You know, I didn't know anybody, and I missed my mother.
07:11I'm her best friend.
07:12Oh, this is Nina.
07:14Hi, Nina.
07:15Hi.
07:15I like your hair better than Diane Sawyer's.
07:18Well, really needed to know that.
07:19Well, I do.
07:20Tell us a little about your two dads.
07:22Well, Michael's a really great guy, and he works uptown, and he helps me with my homework, and he always
07:29knows where my shoes are.
07:30And Joey is, like, this brilliant artist, and he works out of the loft that we live in.
07:36Now, this piece, I call it America.
07:41Eh?
07:43It's furniture.
07:44I mean, you could sit on it.
07:45Well, why don't you build a regular chair?
07:50I don't know how.
07:53Excuse me.
07:54Go ahead.
07:55Try it out.
07:58Joey Harris, 31 years old, is an artist by training and temperament.
08:04He makes his home in the bohemian community of Soho for the last eight years.
08:10He is never married, preferring the freewheeling single life.
08:14Veronica.
08:15Look, Veronica, look.
08:17I can't talk now, okay?
08:18I'm on television.
08:21What?
08:24Veronica, look, I can't even think about that on television, all right?
08:31So, how has Nicole changed your life?
08:35Well, uh, I don't go out as much as I used to since Nicole's been here.
08:41And the kind of, kind of women that I've been interested in lately are, uh, you know, women
08:46that I consider for Nicole's mother.
08:49Except Veronica.
08:51And what's it like living with Michael?
08:54Michael, well, Michael and I, you're, uh, well, we're very, very, very different people.
09:05I mean, just to illustrate, let me tell you a very funny story happened when we were in
09:08high school.
09:09We were hiding in the girls' locker room.
09:11This is just after the girls' hockey team won the state championship, all right?
09:14So, f*** you.
09:16Bernice, I asked you to hold my calls.
09:18I got a TV camera.
09:19Oh.
09:20Uh, okay.
09:22I have to take this.
09:23It's Finland.
09:24Hang on.
09:25It's a terrific story.
09:26Yeah.
09:27Hello, Gunnar.
09:28Who da by da?
09:30A financial advisor, Michael describes himself as a reformed workaholic.
09:35No, no, it's tomorrow.
09:35What brought about the Reformation?
09:37The arrival of a bouncing 12-year-old girl named Nicole.
09:41So, of course, we eventually gave back the trophy, and Joey kept the towels.
09:46I told you, it's a great story.
09:48Boy, high school seems so long ago.
09:55No calls, Bernice.
09:56I don't care who would it...
09:57Oh.
09:59Hiya, honey.
10:00No, what happened today in school with Nina?
10:03And how exactly does Judge Wilbur fit into this family?
10:07Well, the judge says that we're the parents, you know, and that she's going to stay out of it.
10:11But when you need her, she's there, saying that she's going to stay out of it.
10:15Once she's done staying out of it, the problem's usually fixed.
10:18She's a smart lady.
10:20She's a kind lady.
10:23She's a scary lady.
10:24For some reason, they live in fear of me.
10:28I encourage that.
10:31You don't seem worried by the Sentinel's attack.
10:34How long can they write about me?
10:36I'm not that interesting a person.
10:39The public's going to get bored, and I'll have to find something else to write about.
10:42And this is what they found.
10:44The New York Sentinel itself filed a petition challenging the order of Judge Margaret Wilbur
10:50that awarded custody of Nicole Bradford to Michael Taylor and Joseph Harris.
10:55Quite frankly, this is no longer just an issue of Wilbur's faulty judgment.
10:59In fact, this paper feels a civic duty to rescue this child from her environment.
11:05We want to see this little girl in a proper foster home with a father and a mother.
11:12Hey, they can't take Nicole anywhere, can they?
11:14Of course not.
11:14We're family, right, Judge?
11:21What was once a campaign to keep Judge Margaret Wilbur from assuming her new post
11:26with the City Family Services Commission has escalated.
11:30Now, a family is threatened.
11:32Or is the Sentinel correct?
11:34Are Nicole and her two fathers not a family?
11:37We ask the people who know them best.
11:41Philadelphia from 65 to 66.
11:44Then Minnesota, San Francisco, Green Bay, Detroit.
11:48Then back to Philadelphia.
11:50Then to the Giants in 1967.
11:54Then Buffalo, Atlanta, Saskatchewan.
11:57Do you know this man?
11:59He owns the Soho Eatery on the first floor of the Judge's building.
12:03But he is perhaps better known, maybe, as former NFL center Ed Klawicki,
12:10who in his 13-year career set one record.
12:13He played for more teams than anyone else in football history.
12:17Seattle, Oakland.
12:20Then in 73, I was injured and spent the whole season with Kansas City.
12:24What a house.
12:25They traded me to Miami.
12:27Ed, you see Joey, Michael, and Nicole often.
12:32Well, they got to eat.
12:34What do you think of the family arrangement?
12:38Actually, I think any home filled with love is a family.
12:41And for some of us who are not fortunate enough to have a family,
12:45we'll take what they have in a New York second.
12:48I'm sorry, Ed.
12:49I didn't realize that you couldn't have a family.
12:53No, no, I can.
12:55It's just that I'm never in a city long enough to meet anyone.
13:00Hey, you know they're having auditions for the school play tomorrow?
13:02And Nina and Rachel are going out for the play, so I thought I would, too.
13:06Hey, that's great, sweetheart.
13:08That is great. You're going to eat that?
13:09I'm going to eat this.
13:10What's the play?
13:11Guys and dolls?
13:13You want my advice?
13:14You can take it or leave it.
13:15But of the two, I see you as a doll.
13:18You do, huh?
13:19I really do.
13:21Nina, you spend a lot of time with Nicole and her dads.
13:25How do they compare to your family?
13:27Well, I mean, it's really different.
13:30How's it different?
13:31See, my mom and dad are, like, normal.
13:34And when they disagree, it's a fight.
13:37But, see, Mr. Taylor and Mr. Harris, they always disagree.
13:40So it's like they never fight.
13:42I don't want to punish her, but I think we may have to.
13:45What will it be, huh?
13:46You want to ground her, spank her, or have her arrested?
13:50I think we should at least talk to her.
13:52Or, okay, Ward, but go easy on the beef.
13:56Or it's like they always fight.
14:01I'm sorry, Nicole.
14:03Quite frankly, a little homework by her honor would have revealed two guys at each other's throats.
14:10The threat of violence permeating the house, ready to erupt at any time.
14:15Now, somebody tell me how healthy an environment that is for a little girl to grow up in.
14:22Research.
14:23Jeez, I hate research.
14:25We asked Dr. Joyce Brothers, Senior Fellow of Boston University's William D. Eckerling Foundation Center for Advanced Research of Family
14:33Unit Psychology and Behavioral Pattern Response,
14:36as well as Chairman for the National Symposium on Fundamental Parent-Child Dynamics and Adaptive Contemporary Domestic Cohabitation.
14:45Looks okay to me.
14:47Of course they fight all the time.
14:50But they don't fool me.
14:52Gentlemen, we know why we're here.
14:54It rarely works to stay together for the sake of the child.
14:57So, even though you and Joey often disagree, it's simply because you're very different people.
15:03It doesn't necessarily mean that you don't like each other.
15:06Isn't that right, Michael?
15:07No.
15:08We don't really get along.
15:10I don't know what to tell you.
15:11Joe?
15:13Oh, well, we used to be real good friends, but now, uh...
15:16Don't lie to me.
15:17I'm Joyce Brothers.
15:18Okay, okay.
15:18He's my friend.
15:20He knows all the presidents.
15:21He knows all the state capitals.
15:22And I still like the guy.
15:24Can I go now?
15:25Michael?
15:27I don't smoke.
15:29Don't make me use psychology on you, Taylor.
15:31I'm the best there is.
15:33He's my good friend.
15:34How good?
15:34Best.
15:35Okay?
15:36I'm best friends with a guy who wears an earring and paints dishes.
15:38All right, there.
15:39I said it.
15:39Are you happy?
15:40I said it.
15:40Okay, so they get along.
15:42But just because they're good friends doesn't mean that they are good parents.
15:47Now, I've done a little digging.
15:50They let Nicole...
15:53date.
15:55Now, who knows what kind of creeps they're letting her go out with.
16:00Could you get that?
16:02I'm not ready yet.
16:05Hey.
16:06Hey, did you tell Corey about the cameras?
16:08No.
16:10Hey, Mr. Taylor.
16:11Hey, Mr. Harris.
16:13And here he is.
16:15The alleged creep her fathers let her go out with.
16:18Thirteen-year-old Corey Kupkus.
16:20Is he Nicole's boyfriend?
16:22Well, as Nicole puts it, he's a boy and he's a friend.
16:27Come on.
16:27Sit down.
16:28Here you go.
16:31So, where are you going tonight?
16:33Oh, uh, we're going to the movie across the street.
16:36Back by 8.30, right?
16:40They're not coming with us, are they?
16:44I'm ready.
16:45No.
16:46What?
16:47A skirt.
16:47Too short.
16:48Change.
16:48Dad, this is the style.
16:50Myra, isn't this the style?
16:51Change.
16:54Hey, you looking at my daughter's legs?
16:56I would never.
16:59Carlton Crowe maintains that Nicole is in an unsafe environment because Michael and Joey
17:04are inexperienced as parents.
17:06Well, we're all inexperienced with our first child.
17:08The only difference here is that their brand-new baby is 12 years old.
17:13So, compared to parents of other 12-year-olds, they would seem less experienced.
17:17Then how do they handle parenting problems?
17:20How do they clear the big stumbling blocks?
17:23Mostly, they don't have to.
17:24She breaks a leg.
17:25They take her to a doctor.
17:27Let's see how they do with the little problems.
17:30That's the test.
17:33Oh, yeah, I forgot.
17:35Is this a bad time?
17:37Yeah, we got sort of a situation here.
17:43Not now.
17:44I don't want to be on TV right now.
17:48You know, her friend's got a part in the play, and she didn't.
17:51So, is this how it usually goes?
17:53Michael talks to her when she's upset?
17:55This is sort of his area, yeah.
17:58Cheering her up?
18:00No, he's sort of like a comedian.
18:02You know, he cracks a few jokes, she smiles, and then, before you know it, we're all down here laughing
18:07together.
18:08See, Joey's real good at this.
18:11She's crying real hard, and Joey's the kind of guy that he'll get in there, and he'll cry right along
18:17with her,
18:17and then she'll get it all out of her system.
18:19This is why it's really good that we get to judge around.
18:22Yeah, this is really a little girl's problem, and it needs a woman's touch.
18:25You want to call Klawicki?
18:28I suppose this question has to be asked.
18:32If the Sentinels' campaign is successful, it might mean the breakup of this family.
18:36What do you think of that possibility?
18:40My daughter?
18:44What do I think? Is someone taking away my daughter?
18:56I'll tell you what I think.
19:04I'll tell you.
19:06Let me tell you something.
19:08First of all, one of us is Nicole's natural father.
19:12So, let's say they find out it's me.
19:15You think that's going to prevent Nicole from calling Joey dad, or that I'd want it to?
19:20Or if they find out he's the father, and they move to Alaska, you think anything would stop me from
19:24moving into the igloo next door?
19:25Right?
19:29Right?
19:30Right.
19:31Our feeling is that a foster home will be the optimum situation for Nicole.
19:39And that's your primary concern, what's best for Nicole?
19:42Since the beginning, quite frankly.
19:45And selling more newspapers is not a factor here.
19:48We resent that implication.
19:50Uh, now, Myra, perhaps what we've uncovered ain't all that pretty.
19:55But when you dig under a rock, you're going to uncover a little dirt.
20:02Gentlemen, I've done a little digging, and I've recently unearthed a memo that I'd like to read to you, if
20:09I may.
20:12To Milt Tucker from Carlton Crow, re-Nicole Bee campaign.
20:18Latest figures from circulation show increases in daily sales of 35,000 copies.
20:24We're right on target.
20:26I estimate a lawsuit could bring an additional 50,000 sales.
20:31Is it a go?
20:34I never received that memo.
20:37What?
20:38You're fired.
20:39No, I'm not.
20:40The next day, Sentinel readers were greeted with this item.
20:43A courageous endorsement of Judge Wilbur, boldly buried on the bottom of page 72.
20:49I don't know that it makes any big difference.
20:52What's worse, having a rag like that attack you or endorse you?
20:58So, I'm out of the headlines for now.
21:01But who knows?
21:03Maybe I'll show up again.
21:07In a love nest with Tom Selleck.
21:11But what of Michael, Joey, and Nicole?
21:14Are they a family?
21:17Webster's defines family as larger than a genus, but smaller than an order.
21:22We're in there somewhere, Judge.
21:24Aren't we?
21:26I've always thought so, sweetie.
21:30But is Judge Wilbur the right person for the Family Commission?
21:35There's only one man who can answer that question.
21:38We have Mayor Koch live from his office in New York's City Hall.
21:43Mr. Mayor, good evening.
21:45Good evening, Myra.
21:47I never miss your show.
21:49I just want to say, as I've always said, Margaret Wilbur is the only person for this job.
21:54She is a superb individual and a truly great judge.
21:59Joey, Michael, you've got a terrific daughter.
22:03Nicole, you've got it made.
22:05You're living in the greatest city in the world, and you've got two outstanding fathers,
22:10even though one of them looks a little Republican to me.
22:14Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
22:17And what is the reaction in Soho tonight?
22:20We take you live to Klawicki's Diner.
22:23Nicole, what do you think of what's happened?
22:26I think it's great.
22:26We won, right?
22:28Hey, we're a family, sweetheart.
22:30Hey, the mayor said so.
22:32We can go to the zoo now.
22:34And, Nicole, do you feel better now about not getting the part in your school play?
22:43Thank you very much.
22:45Sorry.
22:46Judge, do you have anything to add?
22:50No.
22:52This has been Profiles.
22:55Good night.
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