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00:00Boxer and Gerson work injury attorneys text line 408. I just wanted to address this really really quickly because you
00:06know you've come at me with something here and I'd like to address it.
00:10Oh Willard stop telling fans what they need to get over.
00:14No.
00:15No.
00:17No.
00:18No.
00:18No.
00:18No.
00:19Stop telling me to tell me what I can tell you.
00:22Hold on. Now I'm confused.
00:24No I I listen all I am ever going to do on this show.
00:28What is going on here?
00:28I don't know Bob.
00:29Speaking from the damn heart.
00:31That's what I'm I'm doing.
00:33And and my perspective is is that this is a damn freaking shame.
00:42That's all.
00:43That's all.
00:44I love when the fan bases of which I am a part.
00:48I love when there are good fan bases and I think that this is a city of really good sports
00:55fans.
00:55I I've gone to battle about the whole West Coast sports fan thing.
01:00Oh yeah.
01:01Show up late and you leave early and there's a lot of people that are the other team.
01:06Yeah.
01:06That's called being a coastal wonderful weather city.
01:09That's that's what it is.
01:10But I also know that when the Giants win a World Series a million people line Market Street.
01:16This is a great great sports city.
01:19Not good.
01:20Great.
01:21It's a great sports city.
01:23And similar to the way that a lot of you want Brandon Pajemski's mistakes to get called out.
01:28I'm going to call out yours.
01:30And this is one of them.
01:31You are making a mistake.
01:33You are doing what Gino Ariema did.
01:36You're mad about something else and you're taking it out on Brandon Pajemski.
01:41Literally.
01:42Every time I ask one of you what this is actually about.
01:46All the things you bring up are stuff that other people did.
01:50But people called about Kaminga's IQ.
01:52Nothing to do with Brandon.
01:54But he's Steve Kerr's pet.
01:56Nothing to do with Brandon.
01:57And then you end up at this cockamamie once upon a time in front of a microphone.
02:01He said that he wanted to be better than Steph.
02:04Ignoring all the context of the moment.
02:06The people who were in the room asking the questions have literally tried to tell you that.
02:10No one wants to listen.
02:11So that's my take.
02:13I love this city.
02:15I love these fan bases.
02:16You're making a mistake.
02:18You're making a mistake to a homegrown player who plays every single game.
02:24Every game.
02:24Plays his ass off.
02:26He is unselfish.
02:27He is imperfect.
02:29Just like every other athlete in this city except for one.
02:33He's also imperfect.
02:34Only his body is imperfect.
02:35Other than that, he's pretty freaking perfect.
02:37He's pretty good.
02:38I mean, he could have hit that shot to win the game.
02:40He didn't.
02:41Which, I mean.
02:42Well, that was Pod's fault for not setting the screen.
02:44Exactly.
02:44Or for going to the other side of the floor or whatever.
02:46So anyway, that's all.
02:47Yeah, you're making a mistake.
02:48You're allowed to be mad.
02:50I don't need you to put a poster of him on the wall.
02:53But you're mistreating somebody who's done very little wrong.
02:57Yeah, especially as the number 19 pick.
02:59And like you said, he plays every single game and he goes out there.
03:02And when you don't have better players around him, he goes out and he leads you in scoring.
03:07And it doesn't lead to winning.
03:08But that's not entirely his fault.
03:10And he's a guy who goes out there and plays every game you ask him to play.
03:14He plays all the minutes.
03:15He takes charges.
03:16He scores.
03:17He passes.
03:18And yeah, he's not perfect.
03:19No athlete is perfect.
03:21Let's go to Pat in Foster City.
03:24Hi, Pat.
03:24Thanks for calling.
03:26Hey, yeah.
03:27Thanks for taking the call.
03:28Yeah.
03:28You know, regarding Pod's, I'm a University of Illinois graduate.
03:31And I remember when Pod's was a freshman there, he didn't play very minutes under Underwood.
03:37He played about two and a half minutes a game and averaged about two points in one rebound game.
03:41And during that, after his freshman year, he met with Underwood and he said, you know,
03:46I'd like to play more next year, coach.
03:47And the coach said, do you want me to be honest with you or tell you what you want to
03:50hear?
03:51He said, I want you to be honest.
03:52You're not good enough to play here at regular minutes.
03:54So you'll probably play five or six minutes more than your two minutes last year.
03:59But that's about it.
04:00We've got some good freshmen coming in.
04:02So Pod's obviously went to Santa Clara where he starred and he got drafted.
04:06So he's a guy that's always had a little bit of a chip on his shoulder, rightly so.
04:10He's an underdog kind of guy.
04:11And he's done fantastic.
04:13And his numbers with the Warriors have been, I think, great.
04:15He's almost like a mini Draymond when you look at his points, his rebounds, his charges
04:19he takes, assists.
04:21He, you know, goes across the board.
04:24But having said that, I think, I think personally that part of this backlash to him has to do
04:32with sort of the adoration that the local folks have with Steph Curry.
04:35Steph is their hero.
04:37He's not just a good player, but he's, he's a guy that they adore.
04:40And you have a guy that's kind of comparing him, even if it's infrequent, even if it's
04:45indirect.
04:46And my suspicion is that this, the people are saying, you know, hey, he's no Steph.
04:51No one's going to be Steph.
04:52So I think there's a correlation there.
04:55There's no question.
04:56And the one was getting that backlash.
04:57Yeah.
04:57Pat, Pat, there's no question.
04:59But what I've said the same thing for four weeks now, punishment has got to fit the crime.
05:05And this is sending someone to jail for jaywalking.
05:08It's crazy.
05:09I understand what you're saying.
05:10I think you're right.
05:11Thanks, Pat.
05:11Pat, this was the wrong name to bring up at the wrong time.
05:17And then the wrong question with the wrong answer.
05:19And oh, by the way, Pods has already raised his hand and admitted that.
05:22Right.
05:23So I just, I, I'm sorry.
05:25As much as you all are going to say, hey, Willard and Dibbs, you're not going to talk
05:29me into liking him.
05:30Fine.
05:30You're not going to talk us into the idea that it's okay to boo him at a Giants game.
05:34It's just not.
05:35And you, you, you, you are out of line.
05:38My opinion.
05:39If you did that on Friday night.
05:41I just don't understand it.
05:42Like you're going to boo somebody at a sport that he doesn't actually play.
05:46So you're going to see him at a Giants game and you're going to boo him because you are
05:50a Warriors fan and you don't like the way he's playing as the number 19 overall pick
05:54for a team that is, you know, honestly not very good.
05:57So he's not great and they're not great.
06:00And Steph is out.
06:01And so they're having a bad year and you're so mad.
06:05You're so frustrated that you see him at a Giants game and you're going to boo him.
06:08I just, I don't know.
06:10That's one that I don't really totally understand.
06:13And so you can not like pods.
06:15It's fine.
06:15I don't love pods.
06:17I like his game.
06:18I think that he is the kind of guy who, if he's your number seven player on your team,
06:23you're really good.
06:24If he's your second best player, you're probably terrible.
06:27No, of course.
06:28That's a, yeah, that's, I don't think that's his DNA pods is a, uh, is either a early off
06:34the bench or a back end of the starting rotation starter in this league and potentially a really
06:40solid one because, um, he, especially because he does things at a guard position that very
06:46few guards do.
06:47And Steve Kerr has even said out loud, that's why they, they go, that's why they were drawn
06:51to him.
06:53Like rebound numbers are good.
06:55Really good.
06:56Uh, assist numbers are solid scoring, solid turnovers.
07:01Not, I mean, not that many, you know, defends somewhat homegrown, homegrown player, youngest
07:07player on the team.
07:09Boo.
07:10Yeah.
07:10Right.
07:11Okay.
07:11I mean, like fire up.
07:14I know everybody's like, I bought a ticket.
07:16I get to boo.
07:16You sure do.
07:17You do.
07:17Yeah, you sure do.
07:18And I get to sit in the next section over and think you're a jerk.
07:21And I wonder if you had a warrior game and like what giant would show up?
07:26You would show up to a warrior game and you would look at that and you, you would boo
07:29that giant.
07:30Like, I can't think of any giant who would show up to a warrior game, like in the next
07:35week or so.
07:36And you would look at that giant and be like, I'm going to boo you.
07:39Some of them deserve it.
07:41Right.
07:41But even at that, like who are you going to boo?
07:44I don't know.
07:45I'm not a big boo guy, but when I do boo, I try to save it for, you know, the
07:50appropriate
07:50person and the appropriate time.
07:52And for me, pods in April, the Giants game is not when I'm going to use my boo.
07:58Definitely not.
08:00I mean, I'm not much of a booer to begin with.
08:02I think it's kind of a, to me, that's a concept that's reserved for maybe for lack of a better
08:11word, effort.
08:13Like that's that.
08:15Or the opponent.
08:16Sure, sure, sure, sure.
08:17No, I'm talking about, I'm talking about your own players.
08:19Yeah.
08:19Booing your own players to me would need to be reserved for effort.
08:24Um, I didn't do it.
08:26I was at the game yesterday, but I wouldn't have minded a mild boo of Gerard Encarnacion
08:32when, oh, here we go.
08:34No, not for the Tony Vitello throwout play, uh, for his previous at bat where he thought
08:39he hit a home run, but the ball went off the wall.
08:42And then that 270 pound truck got thrown out at second base.
08:46And the reason he got thrown at second base was because he spent his first seven steps
08:50watching the ball that he thought was going to go into the stands.
08:52It actually didn't even come close.
08:54I don't know what the hell was going on yesterday.
08:56The ball was not carrying at that yard at all.
08:59It was a heavy air day.
09:00But a hot day.
09:02It was humid.
09:03Weird.
09:03Human.
09:04So when he hit it, I thought it was gone too.
09:06And so did he.
09:07And then it hit the base of the wall.
09:09The base of the wall.
09:10And the next thing you know, the left fielder has got the ball in his hands with his arm
09:14cocked and he's about to throw it to second base and Gerard is just touching first.
09:18And I'm like, you're gunned.
09:20You're gunned because you're huge and you're not that fast.
09:24So that one, even that, like, I'm not going to stand up in game number 10.
09:31Like, we're not, you know, I just wasn't inspired to do so.
09:34But that's the kind of play that would bother me.
09:38Maybe that's an effort play, a lack of effort play.
09:42Something that you've never seen Brandon do.
09:45Not once.
09:45Never in his life.
09:46No.
09:46And especially for a Giants team that is really so starved for runs and, you know, extra base
09:52hits to have that guy in that spot.
09:54And, you know, it's probably the first time he's hit the ball all year because he hasn't
09:58gotten a chance to play.
09:59God.
10:01There's some weird stuff going on with that team.
10:03Yeah.
10:04There's some really weird stuff.
10:05We can peel that back even more as we get into it.
10:09But I did like the Tony V ejection just because, like, do something.
10:14Well, it was fun to watch.
10:15Right.
10:15It was fun to watch.
10:16It was a weird ejection, though, because he had to go back like two or three times just
10:20to try to get them to realize how mad he was.
10:23And I think he got tossed and he even spoke to this.
10:26I think he got tossed by the third base umpire literally because of the last sentence out
10:30of his mouth, which was probably just calling the guy a you-know-what.
10:34Yep.
10:34You know what I mean?
10:36And I also was sitting there because I was – we were sitting right there watching it.
10:41And I'm thinking to myself –
10:42Third base dugout?
10:43Good seats?
10:45Very good seats.
10:47Hit him again.
10:48Yeah.
10:48I mean, they were amazing.
10:50But anyway –
10:50How many seats?
10:51There were two of them and they were really good.
10:53Yeah, really good.
10:54So anyway – anyway, so as he's going out there, what goes on in my head, same thing
11:02all of us have been thinking about the players.
11:04Oh, boy, are the players going to buy into this rookie coach from college?
11:07And I'm thinking to myself, how are these umpires going to handle that?
11:12They don't know him yet.
11:13He doesn't know them.
11:14He's probably trying like hell to get to know all of them real quick.
11:17You saw him even compliment the umpires some after the game.
11:22He's talking about the home plate up.
11:23He's like, he couldn't have been better in balls and strikes.
11:26Absolutely couldn't have been better.
11:27He's right.
11:27I thought it was a very well-called game behind the home plate.
11:31Now the play where Encarnacion is running down the line, by the letter of the law,
11:37Encarnacion's a little too far inside the baseline and he gets called out.
11:41My problem with it is he didn't actually affect the throw or the catch.
11:46If you're inside the baseline and the ball either hits you or you hit the glove, I get it.
11:52Now this is a little bit of a judgment call by the ump, but I'm sitting here going, dude,
11:57nothing stopped you from catching the ball.
11:59Yep.
11:59You threw it.
12:00It hit your glove.
12:01You missed it.
12:02It was more uncontested than Casey Schmidt, for example.
12:05Absolutely.
12:06Unless he's saying that whoever was covering first couldn't see the ball, which I think
12:12is an inaccurate take, that's why I think Tony was arguing it and I agree with him, but
12:18I also know that the umpire was within his right to say, you're out of the baseline, and
12:24he was.
12:25It's a weird rule.
12:26It's a weird rule.
12:28Was Tony trying to get tossed?
12:30Yes.
12:30I don't know if he's trying to get tossed, but he's trying to, he's trying to rile everything
12:34up.
12:34Yeah.
12:35Sure.
12:35I think he was trying to get tossed.
12:36I mean, that's why he went back and then he went back again.
12:39And, you know, he argued with almost every ump out there.
12:42He argued with like three of the four.
12:44You want some?
12:45Exactly.
12:46Who else wants to hear from me?
12:47And then, I mean, you could see that he was talking about this being a bold Schmidt call
12:52and this and that.
12:53And then, you're right, when you go back one more time and you make it personal, when
12:58you say that you are blank, blank, blank, that's when you get tossed in any sport.
13:03Totally.
13:04I mean, that got detailed in Bull Durham.
13:06Yeah.
13:06Didn't it?
13:07Yep.
13:08Yeah.
13:08When you make it personal.
13:09Call me a blank sucker.
13:11Go ahead.
13:12Do it.
13:12Yeah.
13:13Okay.
13:14Gone.
13:15Gone.
13:15Yeah.
13:16It was kind of fun, but I think it was only fun because everything else the Giants are doing
13:21has not been fun.
13:23It wouldn't have been fun if the Giants, I don't know, ever got hits.
13:27And even that, like, I'm going to buy what they're saying.
13:30It's 10 games in.
13:32It's not time to blow our tops yet.
13:33But this is a fundamentally unsound baseball team.
13:38Yeah.
13:38In ways that we haven't even talked about and thought about yet.
13:41Okay.
13:42Matt Chapman trying to steal a base in the bottom of the ninth inning is one of the most
13:45bananas things I've ever seen a veteran do.
13:48You know not to do that in Little League.
13:49You're down by three.
13:50You're at first.
13:51Your run means nothing.
13:53Where are you going?
13:55What in God's name are you doing?
13:57And after the week you had where you barked at Casey Schmidt, you've thrown a bunch of balls
14:03off into space yourself.
14:05And by the way, you are amongst those hitting below 200.
14:08Dude, get it first base.
14:11Right.
14:11Stick and stay.
14:12Encarnacion, slow out of the box.
14:15Encarnacion, out of the baseline.
14:17Luis Arise over at second base.
14:20Patrick Bailey nailed a runner trying to steal second and Arise is so far in front of the
14:26base to catch the ball.
14:28He turns around to tag him and the guy slides right by him.
14:30Ball's sitting there waiting for him.
14:32Yeah.
14:32Just poorly positioned.
14:34Little things like that.
14:36And they're all over the yard.
14:38And oh, by the way, they've got four first basemen and none of them play first base.
14:43None of them can catch the ball.
14:45By the way, really quick, guys.
14:46This comes from Susan Slusser of the Chronicle saying that Matt Chapman was just talking
14:51with a bunch of the beat writers.
14:52To answer your question, what was going on in his head, she said that Chapman said he
14:56was just trying to stay out of the double play, especially when he saw the Mets pitcher
15:01was slow to the plate his first two pitches.
15:03Terrible decision.
15:04He later said in retrospect, he wishes he had not tried to steal second.
15:08What do you think?
15:09Thanks, Matt.
15:10Out of the way, Matt.
15:11Out of the way.
15:11Again, you are allowed to do that if you are 100% sure that you're going to make it.
15:19So if you're out, you get to wear it.
15:22Period.
15:23But even if you're 100% sure you're going to make it, down three in the ninth, you still
15:27don't go.
15:28Like, if it's Ricky Henderson, peak Ricky, you don't go.
15:32No.
15:33Because, okay, great.
15:33You nabbed a bag.
15:35Okay, cool.
15:35Now you're in scoring position for a single that'll cut it to two?
15:39I'm more like, yeah, if the defense is aligned in such a way, you know, sometimes they do
15:43that defensive indifference thing.
15:44Yeah.
15:45If you're aligned in such a way where you know no one's even going to cover the base, okay,
15:49that's what I mean.
15:50Yeah.
15:50Like, if they're giving it to you, fine.
15:53Go.
15:53Stay out of the double play.
15:54Other than that, I'm sorry, there is no justification whatsoever.
16:00Right.
16:00And what's Matt Chapman's season high for steals?
16:03Is it 15?
16:05I don't know.
16:05Maybe 20?
16:06I mean.
16:06He's fast-ish.
16:07I think he led the team in Seals last year.
16:09Yeah, that's not saying much.
16:10Yeah, exactly.
16:11Like, nine or whatever?
16:12I think it was, like, maybe 20 on the highest.
16:14Let me get to Matt Chapman's baseball reference.
16:17Okay.
16:17I mean, it's not that serious.
16:19I just was curious about, like, you know.
16:20I'm interested.
16:22Stolen bases.
16:23He's stolen 35 of them in his life.
16:26In his life?
16:26In his life.
16:28In his life?
16:29And, yes, 15 is his high.
16:31And the only time that he's gone in double digits in his life, and that was 2024 Giants.
16:36Last year, nine.
16:38Nine.
16:38Yeah, I called it nine out of nowhere.
16:4035 yeses and 19 noes.
16:43Wow.
16:44Caught stealing 19 times.
16:45He's made it 35.
16:47Get your butt on the first base bag.
16:51Right.
16:52And hope that Rafael Devers finally gets a hold of one.
16:56That's your job in this situation.
16:58Yep.
16:59Whew.
16:5935 up, 19 down, and you go down three in the ninth?
17:04Maddening, man.
17:05What's going on?
17:05It's early, but the whole thing is just maddening.
17:08Yep.
17:09Daniel Susak has the standout performance of the year so far.
17:13That's what I was saying.
17:14And has got nothing but not cost.
17:16He's got moss sitting on his legs in the dugout right now.
17:20I don't know, man.
17:21He's gone sunts.
17:21I don't know.
17:21That's what you are saying.
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