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00:00And we're jumping on the Rude Guest Hotline to talk to our friend, Mr. Greg Cosell from NFL Films.
00:06Greg, how are you, dude?
00:07Hey, what's up, man?
00:09Gentlemen, what's happening?
00:10Man, we are chilling, man. How you doing up there?
00:14Hey, just, you know, I'm sitting in my office here at Films just watching tape, you know?
00:18A lot of guys to watch.
00:19So, I've been checking you out, man. You've been giving me some pointers here.
00:23That Ted Hirsch, man, completely...
00:24I saw him when he played against my school, and then you started giving some props.
00:28See, he must be good if my man Greg is going to give some props.
00:32You know what? He's one of those guys I knew nothing about.
00:35Obviously, I saw him at the Combine, and he obviously tested very, very well,
00:40especially given that he's over 6'3".
00:42But I didn't really know anything about him coming from Georgia State.
00:45But then when I put his tape on, you know, I reached out to a scouting friend of mine, actually,
00:49after I watched him, and I said, hey, if this guy looked like this
00:53and did what he did in a Power 4 conference, wouldn't we be talking about him as a first-round
00:57pick?
00:57And my scouting friend said, absolutely.
00:59So, you know, that just shows you level of competition.
01:02And, of course, we don't know where he's going to get driven.
01:04We don't know anything right now because all these mock drafts are,
01:07these are just mock guesses.
01:08Nobody really knows anything, but they're just, you know, they're fun.
01:11But nobody really knows.
01:12We're talking with Greg Cosell here on the Rude Guest Hotline.
01:16Of course, you can watch all Greg's work, NFL films, NFL matchup.
01:20I feel like you're always on Ross' podcast, the Ross Tucker Football Podcast.
01:23Every week, every week.
01:25So, Greg, here's what I wanted to ask because Beamich and I have landed in a spot
01:29where I think from a roster construction standpoint,
01:34drafting a receiver would make the most sense for the commanders
01:37because Terry's got another year left on his deal,
01:40then that cap number jumps significantly.
01:42So, of the receivers, is there somebody worth taking at number seven?
01:48A lot of folks say Carnell Tate,
01:49but there's not necessarily a true consensus on this one.
01:53Well, it's an odd draft because it's not a quarterback draft.
01:57So, therefore, a lot of players who would not necessarily be viewed as top ten picks,
02:03and this is just not me talking, this is kind of teams,
02:06they'll feel the same way, by the way.
02:09A lot of players who are not necessarily viewed as top ten picks
02:12are going to get drafted because you have to draft someone.
02:15You're not going to pass on your draft pick.
02:16So, there's no Jamar Chase in this draft.
02:20So, I don't know how the commanders have their boards slotted,
02:23but, you know, the receivers, and again, just judging by what people say,
02:29I mean, I certainly have watched tape on all these guys,
02:31and, you know, I would argue that there's probably, for me,
02:35not a receiver in an ideal world that I would view as a top 15 pick in the draft,
02:41but that probably won't happen in this draft.
02:44So, if you're truly, you know, bent on taking a receiver, you know,
02:49with your seventh pick, I guess it would likely come down to, you know,
02:55Carnell Tate, who if I had to pick one, I'd probably say he'd be my number one.
03:00You know, based on my film study, I'm not as sold on Makai Lemon as others are.
03:05I would not view him as the seventh pick in a draft, but, you know, like I said,
03:10you've got to draft, and then it comes down to, you know,
03:13what do you think, who's best on your board, and, you know,
03:17the value issue to me, I'm not a big believer in that.
03:21I think you've got to draft really good players.
03:23Yep.
03:24So, Jeremiah Love, unbelievable running back out of a major name,
03:28and, you know, you see how they've tried to devalue the running back position.
03:32Is he good enough to not worry about that, or he's a guy that you still say,
03:37we can get more, you don't like the value thing, just like I don't,
03:41but you think that a receiver or somebody else may be more valuable?
03:45Well, you know, that's a great question.
03:48Again, I don't work for a team, so I know how teams think,
03:51and I know how a lot of, you know, other analysts think.
03:54I've kind of, you know, just based on studying the league with what I do over the years,
03:59these recent years, I'm kind of not a big believer in that.
04:03I think that what offenses are looking for is they're looking for explosive players
04:08who can score touchdowns from anywhere on the field.
04:11And so I'm a believer in Jeremiah Love.
04:14I know there's plenty of people, and I'm fine with it.
04:17I mean, I'm not one of those people that thinks I'm right and everybody's wrong.
04:20But, you know, I would draft Jeremiah Love high,
04:23because I think you're dealing with a guy that not only is he a back in the backfield,
04:27but you can split him out wide.
04:29I mean, think of B. John Robinson.
04:30B. John Robinson was a top-ten pick.
04:33Last year, 20% of his offensive snaps, he was detached from the formation.
04:38So he's an explosive offensive weapon.
04:41That's the way I see Jeremiah Love.
04:43I mean, Jameer Gibbs, he was drafted, I think, what, 11th or 12th, if memory serves me.
04:48You know, I don't think anybody would say now that was a terrible pick.
04:51I think you're looking for players that are explosive on offense,
04:55that you can line up in multiple positions, and that can score from anywhere on the field.
05:00That's what offenses, that's what coordinators want.
05:03So, to me, personally, I would have no problem drafting Jeremiah Love in the top ten,
05:09and I love his tape.
05:11I mean, to me, he's one of the probably three best prospects in this entire draft.
05:16Well, Greg, I'm curious then, if Love's one of the three best,
05:20who are the other two?
05:21Because the name I keep hearing as far as, like, the cleanest tape is Caleb Downs, right?
05:27But, again, you had that kind of positional value of a safety.
05:32Is it always – it's rare for safeties to go top five, top ten.
05:36What do you make of Downs coming out of Ohio State?
05:39Yeah, I mean, you're not going to dislike Downs.
05:43There's nothing to dislike.
05:44I think that so much is dependent on team and scheme
05:49and how you plan on deploying these players.
05:51You know, people get caught up in every year, oh, this guy's generational,
05:55or this guy we've never seen anybody like him.
05:58Those things are very rarely true.
06:01So, you have to decide how you want to deploy Downs in the context of your defense.
06:07If you're going to use him as a traditional safety –
06:10and I have no – look, safety is an important position.
06:13I mean, if you speak to defensive coaches, they'll tell you,
06:16hey, if I don't have good safety, there are certain parts of my playbook I can't get to.
06:20So, it's not a matter of the safety position.
06:22But if you're just going to use him as kind of a traditional safety,
06:26then, you know, maybe he's not the third pick in the draft or the fourth pick in the draft.
06:31But he's a very good player.
06:33You know, if you see him more as a multi-dimensional, multi-positional player
06:38who can line up in different spots and impact your defense
06:42and therefore the game in different ways, then he has tremendous value for your defense.
06:48So, much depends on the coach, the team, and the scheme.
06:52That's true of 99% of players.
06:56There's very few transcendent players.
06:59You know, everything is pretty much dependent on team and scheme
07:02and how these players will be deployed.
07:05When you start looking at the pass rushers coming out, Reese, yeah, Bailey, yeah, Bain,
07:11you look at those guys and I know they talk about Bain's arms being shorter than 31 inches,
07:17which is one-eighth of an inch shorter.
07:18But how do you rate those guys and what do you see, how do you see Bain impacting the league?
07:26Yeah, Bain's a fascinating guy because he's a very good player on tape.
07:29His game is built on power and physicality.
07:33He's not a true, sudden, twitchy, explosive player in that sense.
07:37He's kind of a sawed-off, hyper-competitive, physical player.
07:43The arm-length issue was so hard for me because you can talk to so many different people
07:49who know more than I do about that and you're going to get totally different answers.
07:54You know, so I'll give you a great example unrelated to Bain.
07:58Will Campbell last year obviously struggled in the last four or five games.
08:02Joe Thomas, who obviously knows more about left tackle play than I do,
08:05said that it had nothing to do with his arm lane.
08:08I spoke to an O-line coach who's been in the league 35 years who told me it had everything
08:16to do with arm lane.
08:17So, you know, you can hear totally different points of view.
08:20So I don't know what the answer to that is other than the fact that Bain is a very good
08:25player on tape.
08:25You'll love the way he plays.
08:27He's physical, which normally translates.
08:30He's tough.
08:31He's competitive.
08:32He's a good player.
08:34Is, you know, is he a top five player in a draft?
08:38Who knows?
08:39But obviously in a year where there's no quarterbacks, that's going to happen with players.
08:43What do you think of Bailey then, Greg?
08:45Because, I mean, he has shown a consistent ability to get to the quarterback from the edge.
08:51I'm curious if you think he's...
08:53Bailey's a better pure pass rusher than Bain because he's got truly explosive traits.
08:59You know, Bailey can attack the high side.
09:01He can flatten his rush path when he gets to the top of the arc.
09:04He can close with speed.
09:05He's got some good hand usage.
09:08He's got a spin move that's really effective.
09:10He's a true pass rusher.
09:12Now, the question with him is, what is he?
09:15You know, in other words, is he going to play in your base defense because he's 251 pounds?
09:20So, in your base defense, if you're a 4-3 team, is he a true defensive end in your base
09:264-3?
09:27Or is he just a sub-front player?
09:29And, by the way, that's okay because those guys do play a lot of snaps.
09:34You know, that's the case.
09:35There's a lot of defensive ends or edge players in this draft.
09:39Not everyone, by the way, is a big-time pass rusher.
09:42There are some who are just really solid kind of 4-3 power players.
09:47You know, so I think you have to understand what a player is when you draft them.
09:51Like, you know, there's guys like Zion Young from Missouri who's kind of a 4-3 power defensive end.
09:57You know, if you draft him, you know, people should understand he's not a guy you're drafting because you think
10:02he's going to get 15 sacks.
10:05Right.
10:06And then the other of these pass rushers, which, you know, the NBA always drafts on potential no matter what,
10:12right?
10:12Well, that's because they draft 18-year-old kids.
10:15Right.
10:16But if you're just drafting on potential in this draft of the three pass rushers, I would argue the highest
10:22ceiling is Arbel Reese.
10:24I would agree.
10:26But we don't know what he is.
10:27Like, when you watch it, what do you see?
10:30Well, you know, he obviously played in a pro system with Matt Patricia at Ohio State.
10:35So he played both on the edge and he played stacked.
10:38And he played about an equal number of snaps in both places.
10:41But when you see his pass rush, there are snapshots of him as a dominant, dominant pass rusher.
10:47He's powerful.
10:48He's explosive.
10:49He's quick.
10:49I mean, I think he can develop into a big-time NFL pass rusher down the road.
10:55Now, is he ready to do that from day one?
10:57That's a hard question to answer.
10:58But, and again, I always hate to make comparisons because that's all people hear when you make a comparison.
11:05If they don't hear the substance of what you're saying, they just hear the name.
11:09But, you know, I'm going to throw it out anyway just because in my mind I thought to myself,
11:15gee, in a couple years he could be a similar style player to Micah Parsons.
11:19Don't forget, Reese is 20 years old.
11:21Right.
11:22So, you know, I think that there's an element of pass rush traits here that are really, really good.
11:29And there's examples of that in his tape where you go, wow, that's something you can really build upon.
11:35Now, I guess teams can certainly see him as a stacked backer because he played that in half of his
11:40snaps this year as well.
11:42And he's certainly good at that.
11:44Yeah, I mean, Reese, the talent and stuff is just off the charts.
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11:58The last defensive player I want to ask you about, because I do, Greg, want to ask you about the
12:02coordinator changes here in Washington.
12:04But Mansoor Delane, the LSU corner, he was always going to be a first-rounder.
12:09But when you start running like that at the pro day down in Baton Rouge, I think the talk of
12:14him maybe going top ten is very real.
12:16What do you think of Delane's tape and then combine that with the speed at the pro day?
12:21Yeah, I really like his tape.
12:22I mean, he's a very smooth, easy player.
12:26I like the physicality, too.
12:29He was one of the better tackling corners in this draft because he cared about it, and he tackled with
12:34commitment and with competitiveness and toughness.
12:37But he's just a very, very easy mover.
12:40You know, he plays long, and he's athletic.
12:44He's easy.
12:45He can play press.
12:46He can play off coverage.
12:48You know, again, I don't make lists of players.
12:51I just don't do that because, to me, it's hard to compare players.
12:54But, you know, I think he's a really, really good prospect, and it would not surprise me if he's the
13:00first corner taken off the board.
13:02And corner will always be a premium position in the league.
13:05So if you draft a corner, no one's going to say, oh, that's not a good way to go.
13:09You never have enough corners.
13:11Now, you know, obviously, you know, I would imagine right now, as you look at the commander's roster, I would
13:18assume that Amos would play in one corner.
13:21You know, they signed Amik Robertson, so I don't know what they feel about Sainer still.
13:26But, you know, Sainer still obviously has played both inside and outside.
13:31You know, the fact that they signed Robertson would lead you to believe that as we speak today, and, of
13:35course, it's, what, April 3rd, and there's a lot of things yet to happen.
13:38But just as we sit here today, you would think that Sainer still would still be on the outside because
13:43they signed Amik Robertson.
13:44Yeah, and I think Mikey in his two years here has been better on the outside, even if they initially
13:49drafted him thinking he could kind of run that slot role.
13:52I think giving him the boundary has helped.
13:55I think the lane could be a real possibility at seven for Washington.
13:59Well, if they did that, if they did that, they would expect him to start, and I would assume that
14:04then Sainer still and Robertson would battle for the slot spot because Amos, who I liked a lot when he
14:10came out last year, and I thought he played well.
14:13He got hurt this year, right?
14:15But I thought he played well.
14:16Yeah.
14:16You know, he's got length.
14:18He's big.
14:18You'd have two really, to me, you'd have two long corners.
14:22And I think, you know, you always like that more than short corners.
14:25Right.
14:26Amos was their best, maybe their best defensive player last year before the injury.
14:30Yeah, I loved his tape coming out of college, and he played well last year.
14:34And I like the Nick Cross signing a lot.
14:35I think he's a really good, you know, he's a swagger player.
14:39He's an attitude player.
14:40There's a physicality to him.
14:41There's a toughness to him.
14:42His tape in Indy was really, really good.
14:46You know, you want those kinds of players on your back end.
14:50Absolutely.
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