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00:02in that time obviously we saw some stuff on camera but like what conversations
00:08with this affair coming to light did it force you to have with jordan like was there anything
00:12you were able to admit about the relationship that you had been previously too scared to say
00:17um he had been well aware of how i felt about like the emotional abuse and all that but he
00:22never acknowledged it until the affair came out and it was public and we started going to therapy
00:26during our separation and in therapy he finally admitted like um i do know i got you to this place
00:32i am the instigator in this i started this cycle and it was emotional abuse he has said all of
00:36those
00:37words to me he may deny it now but he has said all of that but he had never said
00:40that before
00:42okay so that gives a little bit of clarity of why you would be like okay maybe there is some
00:47path to
00:47moving forward like someone saying like i see that this was emotional abuse i see i got you here like
00:54i'm willing to change yeah why not give it a shot right having kids with something you're like
00:59whoa because most people you'd expect them to never admit that of course it wasn't on camera but like
01:04and i will say the last year jordan has made some changes like he's really tried in a lot of
01:10areas
01:10but i think for me it was like you're trying and you are making changes but it's i'm still not
01:15in
01:15love with you and at the end of the day like you do deserve to be loved the way that
01:18works for you
01:19and same with me and if you're going to make these changes great for yourself but it doesn't work for
01:23me
01:24but i gave it my all and i had that year to really try and i don't regret it now
01:27because i
01:28i did everything i could you can genuinely say and look at your kids and be like i tried yes
01:32something that is a byproduct of being in a toxic situation or an abusive situation is
01:40the way that it impacts your self-image and your self-worth yeah you posted a really vulnerable
01:46tick tock where you opened up about regretting some of the cosmetic procedures that you've done
01:51recently why was that something you decided to share because i do get a lot of hate for what i
01:56get done and i didn't want everyone watching thinking that i just like wanted to look this way
02:02or i wanted this like it didn't go the way i planned and so i wanted to talk about it
02:06but
02:06it also has made me realize like i i got my surgeries after season four and i looked back and
02:11i was like
02:11i looked so good in season four what was i thinking and i never would have been able to say
02:15that before
02:16but it gave me like clearer perspective of like i don't need to get all this work done but
02:20i think i was in two marriages where like i had two husbands who treated me so badly that i
02:25was like
02:26um that was the only thing i could control and that may sound weird but it was like i can't
02:30do
02:30anything else right so like i can control my appearance and i think it became a coping mechanism
02:34for me to have the ability to control something in your life when everything else is chaos is a way
02:40that
02:41we in our heads cope and survive but i think obviously sometimes then it can be at the detriment
02:46of ourselves we just don't see it in the moment what do you think is your biggest regret when it
02:52came to those procedures um so i got one surgery um like three months ago and that was i just
02:58shouldn't
02:58have done any of it i got an upper and lower bleph and then some fat grafting in the face
03:02but
03:02i didn't want the fat grafting i just kind of said like i just wanted the eyes and he was
03:06like well
03:06you need this to balance it out and i was like okay like i just kind of listened to what
03:10i was told
03:10and looking back i'm like i didn't need that or want that so i just wish that i would have
03:16not done any of it because i didn't need it you know no and i can imagine like even you
03:21saying like
03:22now you're getting to this place where you're watching season four and you're like what the
03:25fuck like i looked great yeah um you look great now like don't be that hard on yourself but i
03:30get
03:30it it's more of like an internal thing of like watching yourself drive yourself to a point where
03:35you're thinking something's going to solve something yes and really that's not the solve you could
03:39continue to get work done that's not really the issue yeah throughout season four all of the women
03:45were so vocal about how much they disliked jordan like it was every scene it felt like right what do
03:55you think overall was their biggest issue with him um the way he treated me for sure they saw things
04:00they heard things um and just the way he's kind of demeaning to women and he would talk badly about
04:05my friends which is so weird to be like my husband's talking shit on my best friend like
04:10what do i do like that it was such a hard position to be in and he's a big mouth
04:13and he would tell
04:14people things and kind of exaggerate things you kind of see that play out but i think those issues
04:18were what everyone struggled with well yeah i almost think there's like a thing with men where
04:21you're like okay women we can like gossip like no it's not for boys like literally this is a
04:26woman's game like stop gossiping and shit stirring like you need to get out like this is a woman's
04:30field okay also influencing is also our area thank you that is how i feel i'm like it's icky like
04:36stop
04:37um no that makes sense because i think and also seeing their distaste for him i felt yeah it just
04:45felt really palpable where it couldn't be escaped i also thought that what was really hard i remember it
04:51was episode one where you walk in and you have this overnight bag yeah and what was so sad jesse
04:58was
04:58like the fact that your friends like know the exact bag that you usually carry if you'd spent the night
05:06at the hotel and you didn't sleep at your home like it was that obvious to them because it clearly
05:11was
05:11that clearly like occurring quite often i just like i guess when you would show up to those events and
05:19he
05:19would be there and you would have your bag like and you would have to put on a brave face
05:24when you
05:24look back like is there anything you wish you could have done differently in those moments for yourself
05:28oh my gosh i'm so glad you asked this because something i've realized throughout all this is
05:32i have gotten very good at stuffing my emotions down and like i'm here because you know now the show
05:39i
05:39have so many things i have to do i have to be on camera but before that i was teaching
05:42hair classes
05:43and i was running a business so i get in huge fights with jordan and then i have to turn
05:47it on and go
05:47teach hundreds of people and be there for my employees and i literally had to learn that as
05:52a coping mechanism to the point where it's really hard for me to cry now and it's really hard for
05:57me
05:57to face my emotions and be vulnerable the show has helped me i watched season four and i was like
06:01oh i
06:01cried more than i thought okay that's good it's progress but yeah i'm very good at just being like
06:05i'm totally fine and i wish that i would have just taken more time to like look internally and be
06:10like you're not okay and it's okay to not be okay and you don't have to put on a brave
06:14face
06:14and i'm working on that in therapy now but that no it's it's a great point it's like we watched
06:19it
06:19in that that scene but then you're right you did cry this season we watched you cry at your
06:23anniversary dinner yeah because you were concerned about the future of your relationship and meanwhile
06:29jordan suggested renewing your vows yeah how were you both on such different pages in that moment
06:35i mean jordan wanted this you know he wanted to stay he wanted to make this work so i think
06:39he was
06:39just grasping at straws trying to be like what can i do and maybe he thought it was like romantic
06:43but i was i literally i think you could see it my body language i'm like that's this isn't the
06:46time
06:47like right no you can't even like like it made me feel like he wasn't even listening to me
06:53you recently changed your last name yeah for business purposes is how it was presented and
06:59jordan did not take it well and he called you extremely selfish now that you are getting divorced
07:06which we're about to get to um was it really for business purposes or was that you consciously or
07:13subconsciously kind of taking that first step of yeah yeah it was an easy first step almost um i
07:20definitely did it for business reasons because like my name's hard to say naughty cara is so hard
07:24to pronounce so it made sense i also have a family business we're all draper so it made sense but
07:29i do
07:29think deep down i was like if this ever happens it'll be easier because everyone will know me as jesse
07:34draper already do you think he kind of knew what was happening and that's why he was freaking out so
07:38much oh yeah like completely and he also like he he likes to justify it this way but he was
07:44like
07:44so when i met marciano in the villa we had all had a conversation at the villa about our names
07:49and how
07:49to spell them and they were trying to figure out how to spell my last name everyone is a group
07:52and i was
07:52like well my last my other last name is draper like you can call me that instead and so marciano
07:56would
07:57call me that so he was like you're doing this because you want marciano again and he like
08:00completely flipped it into something like that and i think that's why he like called me selfish
08:0420 times and stuff like that what is the status of your relationship with marciano oh i have not
08:09talked to him in almost a year yeah that's that's done and over don't worry um okay let's go to
08:14the
08:15divorce yeah what was the actual moment you knew you needed okay it's gonna happen i need this divorce
08:23so in the last year i've told him actually a few different times i want to get divorced but
08:28he always like calms me down give me a few days let's try to work on it he's better for
08:32a few days
08:32and then it goes back um but what happened was i have been in limbo for a while and anyone
08:38that's
08:38lived in limbo knows it's excruciating where i'm like i don't know if this is right or not
08:42i literally woke up one day and i was like it's such a simple thought but i was like i
08:47can change this
08:47i can change my life i can be happy it's gonna be hard but i can do this and my
08:52life doesn't have
08:52to be this way and it was like something flipped and i was like i'm done and i could not
08:57go back after
08:57that it was the weirdest thing okay so can you walk me through moment by moment of that day like
09:05how did you tell him how did where were you okay so this happened that feeling came to me on
09:10a
09:10thursday and i told him on friday the next day i wasn't gonna tell him till the weekend because i
09:14was like let's you know i'll get the kids out of the house and whatever but on friday he came
09:18up to
09:19my room i was getting ready in my closet and he was like i just talked to the kids therapist
09:23because
09:23we have him in therapy and she thinks we need to start going together every week with them
09:27and can you make that happen and i was like oh i'm leaving you this weekend like uh but i
09:31couldn't
09:31say that so i was like i just don't know if our if our schedules are gonna work like it
09:34may work if
09:35you take them and i take them and he was like why the kids are the most important thing like
09:39why and i
09:39was like i i want to get divorced i just said it and he was like okay and his emotions
09:44were like calm
09:45then mad and then he kind of gaslit me and was like you're not healed enough that's why like you
09:49can't love yourself yet so you need to figure that out first and then you'll realize this isn't
09:52what you want and then he was like um you know you're cheating on me again and i'm like like
09:58it was
09:58all over the place and i just had to be like jordan like i need you to know i've thought
10:02about this
10:02every single day for the last four years and this is i'm choosing myself and you know we fought
10:07a little bit but he finally understood and yeah so then he finally understands does he leave the
10:14room and like do you just go about your day no he's like still talking to me and it kind
10:18of got
10:18to a point where he was like gaslighting me and stuff so i finally was like this is how most
10:21of
10:21our fights are i'm like i'm leaving i need you to stop and he literally followed me downstairs and i
10:25had to like get in my car and drive off and then did you sleep in the house that night
10:28no i have not
10:28been back since i've been back to see the kids um i did sleep there one night actually but other
10:34than
10:34that i've been at a hotel how was sleeping there that one night um so okay this is where actually
10:39i
10:39think a lot of women will relate so i was in a hotel and i had a girl's night with
10:44my friends this
10:44was maybe two days after i left and we were drinking wine and just talking about it i was
10:49like so sad and i could not sleep that night and at 4 a.m i was like i'm ubering
10:54home i want to be
10:54with my kids i want to be in my house i just felt so like i didn't have a home
10:58i was like so misplaced
10:59and um i went home and i just i went into the bed and he was there and i ended
11:04up having sex with him
11:05because he was like just one more time one more time and i i told him no probably 20 times
11:09and i was
11:10like okay but if i do this doesn't change anything and he was like it won't it won't and i
11:13did but
11:14literally i'm so glad i did because after that moment i was like uh nope never again never again
11:19this was my answer you're like i'm so repulsed by so many things happening right now i need to get
11:25out and i was drunk and sad and i just was like i miss my family and but yeah it
11:29was a good closing
11:30of the chapter damn yeah and so the next morning you wake up yeah and do you just get more
11:36clothes and go
11:37back to the hotel and i never have been back since to sleep there how are you managing that
11:43with your kids um so i will go over so they go to school in the morning and so he'll
11:47take them to
11:47school and then i'll pick them up and then be with them in the evening put them to bed and
11:51then he'll
11:51come back and we just switch off so i'm gonna get a place soon where we can do 50 50
11:55but i just don't
11:55want to take them to a hotel like no it'll be hard and this house obviously like do you do
12:01you
12:01think he's ready to get rid of this house absolutely not no but you're getting rid of it i i
12:06think
12:06it's the best thing to do can we talk about this prenup yeah because obviously season four we watch
12:14you and every woman is like oh yeah no like you make the money how did this happen like can
12:23you
12:23explain where are you at with the prenup are you okay are you going to have to give him 50
12:30of
12:31everything you own where are we so i went to lawyers who are amazing and they were like okay it's
12:36actually
12:36valid you don't need a witness signature as long as both of you have signed it which we have so
12:39thank god um i don't have to give him anything for my businesses but i will have to pay alimony
12:44and child support most likely and then i might have to do some sort of payout we haven't gotten
12:49there yet because he filed yesterday um so i actually don't know the details of that yet but i
12:53do know like he can't take my business or you know anything like that so i'm happy about so he
12:58he
12:58does he's not entitled to anything with your business that's a complete separate entity yes it
13:02existed before you met him it will continue to exist and he never did anything to contribute to
13:07it so right oh right that's probably a clause like how much did he contribute if he was working there
13:11maybe you know but no and when it comes to this do you feel like at all resentful if there's
13:21gonna
13:21have to be a payout a little bit um kelsey ballerini has a breakup album that i have been like
13:26so resonating with and i think there was like a like i had to give him half there was like
13:30a lyric in
13:31there and i resonate with that so much because i'm like it sucks that like yes i made mistakes in
13:35this relationship too and he does deserve something but all the hard work that i've done i've built my
13:40business up from the ground me and my family and you just get to like get a chunk of that
13:44like if i do
13:44have to do that so because we have kids i'm okay with it because i want them to have a
13:48dad who has
13:49some some stability yeah some stuff but yeah it just it sucks um how do you feel though because you
13:55referenced at the beginning of this episode you said that he put in b it was because of the cheating
14:00yeah it wasn't um irreconcilable differences right do you think that's going to be
14:08changed do you think you are i mean you could technically say he also cheated that's kind of
14:13why i'm willing to talk about it now i mean it did get leaked but um because i was like
14:17well
14:18are you trying to get more money out of me and that's the reason you did that well i'm gonna
14:21tell
14:21them what you did then there should be no secrets if you're gonna out me like that so how do
14:25you
14:25think he's going to react when he hears you talking about this oh he's gonna hate this and he's gonna
14:31mom shame me and say i'm a bad mom for doing this which by the way i'm not like excited
14:35to go like
14:36expose this like it does suck for our children but i think as a mom what i've had to come
14:41to
14:41um terms with is that i will tell my children about my mistakes my affair my plastic surgery's gone
14:47wrong this dynamic i don't want my daughter to ever be treated the way i've been treated and
14:52um i just i'm gonna be honest with them and i think that it's okay to talk about this because
14:57a we're on reality tv we can't really hide from it we can't have secrets when you're public but be
15:01like
15:01i'm gonna teach this to my children and tell them what to avoid and what to change you know in
15:06their
15:06lives if this ever happens to them i think that's the right way to approach it right like that's all
15:10you can do is be honest yeah is he still denying the escorts i have no idea i haven't actually
15:16talked
15:16to him about it in a while now that it's leaking i may hear from him about it but i've
15:20just
15:20i haven't brought it up with him since it's gonna be really interesting to see with the alleged
15:25orgies and the escorts like are there other people in dad talk or that world that were also partaking
15:32like there's so much emphasis on you and and especially just the women being these people and
15:39and we're so focused on their wrongdoing yeah it's like well what have the men been up to no
15:44literally i do think the rest of the men are angels like jace jacob connor like the sweetest
15:50men i do not i know absolutely not um i think that jordan it sounded like he was partaking in
15:55some of
15:55this when i was having jovi is what it sounds like and um that was before he had met any
16:00of those guys
16:01i mean you never know but like i really think it was like how he's been for a while
16:06okay how do you think your divorce will impact mom talk and just the future filming in general
16:13that's a good question right now i think we're all trying to survive so we're like
16:16let's not worry about cameras let's just get through this storm but i think we are all excited
16:21to pick back up and just like continue to tell these stories i mean the fact that this is all
16:25happening while we're down like my divorce i didn't plan that um but i think it also shows that
16:29i made it for the made this decision for the right reasons because jordan would always tell me like
16:32you do things for the show like you're just separating from me for the show but i'm like
16:36no i did this with cameras down so that shows you i'm serious none of that conversation was filmed
16:40nothing no and then he goes to tmz and now you're here in long form getting to tell your truth
16:49yeah
16:50wow so now you when cameras pick back up you're going to essentially have to
16:54you know fill in the gaps yeah fill in the gaps and i'm sure if we pick back up soon
16:59too like
16:59more is going to happen if this isn't over how does it feel to sit here and tell your story
17:04it feels surreal you know what's so crazy is i i in season four i was like i really want
17:10to go on
17:10call her daddy i had said that and i was like maybe i'll get two for season three because i
17:13just love
17:14you um but the timing wasn't right it wasn't right and now it is well girl we were like but
17:20now i'm
17:20getting divorced so i guess this war i would have come on six months ago and tried to protect him
17:24and been like we're working through it wouldn't have been genuine and now i get to be free and
17:28like tell my story so it feels really good it is so sad and also like you said healing of
17:36like
17:36yes there's been so much damage done from the relationship yes the fact that you are now able
17:40to look back and be like that was an emotionally abusive relationship i don't want my children to
17:44ever go through something like that i don't want to continue to go through something like that i need
17:47to leave i do think it's also a testament to people watching of like how hard it is to leave
17:53something oh my gosh that is abusive you just said i've been thinking about this jordan for four
17:57fucking years and when someone sits there and is like but why didn't you leave like go back to what
18:03we've talked about the manipulation the way the control all the things the fact that you just
18:07a normal situation would be i want a divorce and they'd say oh my god well okay i get it's
18:12like no
18:12you're not healed yeah you're not in your right mind it's constant and i still have those thoughts
18:17now i'm still like even doing this i'm like he's going to be so mad do i need to protect
18:20him like
18:20that's my inner voice right now how are you pushing through that and not self-sabotaging and going
18:26back to him um well he pissed me off yesterday by filing so i'm like i'm gonna burn it down
18:31shouldn't have done that you're like you know what this is you're doing it is i probably would
18:35have been a little bit he did try to tell me because i was like i'm i'm done talking to
18:39you
18:39we have to work through a third party for the kids now he goes well you did this just remember
18:43that you wanted this and i'm like i didn't go to tmz you did this you started this war right
18:47i
18:48wasn't going to make it messy but now you're going to go to tmz yep he started the online
18:52let's get into it yep okay dating oh like what are you feeling are you going to take some time
19:00before you jump back in is there anyone that you would be interested in that you have your eye on
19:05like what are we feeling oh my gosh i alex i haven't dated since i was 20 like i got
19:09married at
19:1021 married jordan right after like i'm so nervous like i'm like a giddy 15 year old like i'm like
19:14how do i date like i have no clue okay you can't rush into anything that's my mistake from last
19:21i
19:21know i'm so impulsive you know me already i'm like i'm like from the for your first husband to
19:25then jordan you were like and it's like i get it it's easier to not be alone at first because
19:30you're like it's the comfort and right now you're like i don't want to sleep in a hotel a room
19:33yeah
19:33like alone no i know trust me i know jumping into something too quick trust me i won't i like
19:39you
19:39can date no i i want to date i want to like not be tied down i have my freedom
19:44back so i don't
19:44want to like jump into anything like i i'm sure i'll have guys i talk to and stuff and like
19:48that's
19:49where i need to like be careful because i could like jump into something without realizing it you
19:54know but um no i want to like go date and have fun and like meet new people i don't
19:58even know what my
19:59type is anymore like who should i date i don't know i know and i think there's something really
20:03exciting about i think the world will be really interested to see you single yeah not just because
20:09it's going to be fun for content of dating more so it's like what is jesse like alone and in
20:14her
20:15power and in her mind of just like being confident and getting back to that place that like we probably
20:22haven't been able to fully see on tv oh my gosh um chase from the show i was talking to
20:26him because
20:26he's been divorced and he's been helping me through this and he said to me the other day he was
20:30like
20:30this is what you've accomplished being held back like this is going to be fucking scary to see what
20:34you can do and i was like you're right like i could do anything such a good point yes i
20:39was
20:39like i'm gonna run for president like down no literally yes and but i've accomplished so much
20:43doing that so i'm like excited to spread my wings and just be like no i can do whatever i
20:48want no i'm
20:49really excited for you and i think that even again to see the internet's reaction being like
20:53bitch thank god like get out of here like get rid of him let's go like the whole season felt
20:59like
20:59we were just like so you're getting a divorce or not yeah everyone's like leave that man oh the minute
21:03the show came out i woke up to hundreds of comments of like leave him leave him and i just
21:07like didn't tell jordan i'm sure he saw it i'm sure he saw yeah but no the fact that this
21:10is being
21:11celebrated miranda said that in the season she's like the fact that oh also miranda like shout out
21:15like my friends all of them like maquila macy miranda layla taylor like they have been there for
21:19me so much i just want to give them a shout out but miranda told me like this is going
21:23to be
21:23celebrated and it has and it's like been the craziest feeling even when he's trying to play dirty
21:28yep um okay before we go we have to do a little rapid fire all right from this season okay
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23:02will there be a season four reunion you think oh my gosh i actually have no idea i don't know
23:07because we're on a pause now it probably would have filmed soon um maybe do people want it i guess
23:12sound off yes who in mom talk are you closest with right now macy maquilic they're my best friends i
23:18love
23:18them when was the last time you talked to demi i haven't talked to demi since the season three
23:22reunion you guys saw it how do you feel about your relationship so mean to me it's been interesting
23:31i wish her the best i had a lot of issues with her and i don't think it was a
23:35friendship that was meant
23:36to last but i do wish her happiness and if i have to see her again i can be cordial
23:40but it's just not
23:42meant to be yeah that makes sense um has anyone heard from ben since last season
23:48yeah stay tuned yeah okay um who is currently in the group chat has anyone left oh gosh no so
23:56okay
23:57sorry taylor but we do have a group chat with taylor and then we have one without her because of
24:01all this
24:01but not talking badly but how we were coordinating how to handle the film pause of course um but no
24:06everyone's in it um what was your opinion on harry jousey coming to meet up with mom talk while
24:10everyone was in la okay well first of all me and jordan were leaving as he came in so i
24:14was like
24:14and jordan hates harry jousey because of me cheating so i was like jordan don't say anything
24:18so i was like kind of nervous but so glad we were leaving harry doesn't know this by the way
24:22and we
24:22talk a lot so i'm sorry harry um but no i watched that scene back and i was like this
24:28is the best tv
24:28i've ever seen the fact that he's like i'm gonna cry right now and he's so overwhelmed
24:32it was iconic i loved it amazing how do you feel about how the unwell event and macy's book
24:38event drama played out i felt so bad because i was so excited to do unwell and we ended up
24:43plot
24:43twist doing it so it worked out for the best and macy maquila came too so it was great uh
24:48but no i had
24:49no idea because we had talked about me hosting her book event and then unwell came up and she had
24:53texted me being like hey i just need to know which one you're doing no big deal so i didn't
24:56think it
24:57mattered but then when i heard how sad she was i was like macy and mikaela have been there for
25:01me
25:01through so much i think you see me say that and i was like macy i would never want you
25:05to think
25:06anything was more important than you and it was an immediate like i'll do this what terms are jen
25:10and whitney currently on um i don't think they're talking at the moment but i do think that when a
25:15season comes out you all self-reflect a little bit and i think that's happening and i think they'll
25:19probably be able to get back to a good place what was your reaction when jen sent her husband in
25:25place to speak to whitney it's just never a good move for the man to be the one to like
25:29yell at
25:30another woman like even if whitney was in the wrong which i don't necessarily think she was
25:34like him going at her just yeah okay what do you think is the future of dad talk i think
25:40it'll be
25:40done i don't think it can continue i think the world has spoken and they're done okay last question
25:47okay is there anything else that you want to set the record straight on clear the air on whether
25:53it's with jordan whether it's with other people from the cast rumors whatever it be i mean not
26:00specifically anything other than just like remember that we are real people with real lives and you see
26:04this much of our life it's cut down it's edited we film the scene for four hours and you see
26:09four
26:09minutes you know so just remembering that there's always more to the story and give people grace
26:13because we're all going through it right now and just any woman that's been in a situation like mine
26:18like you're you're worthy and you're enough and you can do it okay i need you to know go find
26:23out
26:23about the orgies i know literally i'm gonna hear about it once this drops i need to call you after
26:29you need to like plug us back in and be like so what's the update on the order do i
26:33need to hire
26:33like a pi like literally yeah i'll hire for you i'll let you know i need he's gonna deny it
26:38i already
26:39know that but if it's orgies there's many people there and orgy parties yeah sounds like it
26:46i'll get your new number yeah we'll figure it out yeah we'll figure it out jesse thank you so
26:50much for coming on caller daddy i think like hearing your story again i think like your story was such
26:55a
26:55testament to yes there is not we can't see everything on reality tv there's so many different storylines
27:00it can't all fit into certain episodes and so also there's things that aren't given information right
27:07we didn't have the information about jordan we didn't know about these escorts we didn't know about
27:10the parties to get that information now i think gives so much more clarity even not saying that
27:16what you did was correct with your affair but it gives such more backstory to what was going on in
27:22your home that none of us were privy to so i really wish you the best i wish the whole
27:27cast the best
27:28again i said this at the beginning but like this is heavy shit yeah and and some heavier than others
27:35and traumatizing but i think i've met you i've met taylor like i've met whitney i've met connor like
27:42these are you know i i've had such great interactions with you guys and i really hope that everyone can
27:47figure this out yeah because i know people love the show but also like the show doesn't matter if
27:53everyone's mental health isn't okay and safety so i think we're all just like hoping for the best for
27:59all of you and thank you so much for your time and you thinking of your kids and you during
28:03this time
28:04thank you thank you for having me and letting me finally be free and speak my truth girl we did
28:08time we did it
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