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00:00:02what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy
00:00:11jackson white welcome to call her daddy thank you how are you doing
00:00:18as if we haven't like like asked that question like nine times before we started this yeah yeah
00:00:23we've been like hanging out for a second before we started recording guys um was i the most high
00:00:27maintenance you're not high maintenance no no no i'm just dealing with a lot right now emotionally
00:00:32because i just watched the finale last night oh that kind of and so like i'm i'm just trying to
00:00:39process like you as you and all the girls came up and they're like oh he's like really charming and
00:00:44he's like really nice and then like watching steven last night i know and so it's like a little bit
00:00:50of
00:00:50a mind fuck to be sitting here with steven de marco being like should i be scared like what's the
00:00:54vibe
00:00:54do people come up to you on the street and call you steven or jackson they all the time
00:00:59it's mostly steven how do you feel about it i'm excited for it to be not to get to the
00:01:04phase where
00:01:05it's your name it's a great honor to be a a great character but i'm super stoked for my own
00:01:13name
00:01:14to be said but now i'm steven yeah jackson represent it's one day but it's cool i'm steven now
00:01:21i'm steven um when i think about steven i feel like he's kind of the antithesis of the
00:01:29america sweetheart you know can you kind of just try to explain to us what it was like
00:01:35playing a literal sociopath like how did you get into that character yeah that's a great question i
00:01:41mean it started
00:01:45it started as it always just very simply you just try and be truthful and enjoy the character
00:01:52and learn him and then he turned into this like absolute garbage fire of a guy but at the beginning
00:02:00it was really fun it was like it was like why does he do what he does and it was
00:02:04a complicated guy
00:02:04and a complicated relationship and it was really fun and then the writers just turned him into a
00:02:09he's you know he's the worst he's like one one step behind like a serial killer that's what i've
00:02:18heard like he's right there he's baby serial killer yeah he is um i feel like it's funny to watch
00:02:24online
00:02:25a lot of people have talked about how there are these like mannerisms and the posture and the way
00:02:33he walks and the hands in the pockets like is that something that you also do in your normal life
00:02:39or
00:02:39did you create that for this character so he uh it's both like there's a do good posture are you
00:02:47are you scared of me i'm not scared of you i'm just it's a rewiring of the brain yeah because
00:02:52i just
00:02:52binged it yeah so i've been watching you by the way i i do have bad posture but it's not
00:02:58like
00:02:59i have i'm i'm a drummer okay and my whole life i was like this and then so my back
00:03:06you got like the hunchback yeah but i'm working on you know you go you you work on it i
00:03:10didn't go to
00:03:11like theater school and learn the the breath in the back i didn't do that but i'm working on it
00:03:18so
00:03:19what about the eye contact thing did you work on that for steven you kind of like don't blink
00:03:24oh that's yeah there's there's there's isms in there that that they're fun how do you prep for
00:03:32that do you like look at yourself in the mirror and do that uh no that'd be crazy or would
00:03:38it be
00:03:39like amazing that'd be nuts i don't know he's he's he has a lot of um things half are mine
00:03:46half
00:03:47or invented i don't know it's kind of a combo of both uh but he's very physical like he's definitely
00:03:55a different physical he's a different walk he has a different thing he's very like calculating and
00:04:03still and he moves kind of like that yes except when he's like angry and then he'll walk different
00:04:08there's like a lot of stuff that i tried to like play with we love him he's a shark he's
00:04:12a do we i
00:04:12don't think no i'm just trying to you're just trying to like make me feel better it don't it
00:04:17don't play get me it's fine it's a lot he he's a he's a yeah it's hard to like that
00:04:23guy i read that
00:04:24you and i don't know if you still do this but you used to watch every episode of tell me
00:04:29lies like
00:04:30four times you could go from like hating to then loving your performance did you do that for this
00:04:36season nope why because it's got it's gone too far okay i can't i can't i i don't want to
00:04:43do that
00:04:43anymore it hurts it's very fun to to study the tape i like to learn from that but then it
00:04:50becomes
00:04:50masochistic and you're like it just gets it's not healthy did you watch season three uh briefly
00:04:59briefly yeah i don't know what that means what is briefly like i'll do it's like i i watched it
00:05:03once
00:05:03okay with a with a far lens with like a detached lens you weren't like directing yourself no like
00:05:10why did you do that what did you do but no but it creates a it's very emotional to watch
00:05:17a lot of yourself it kind of sucks do you watch your own yeah but i've been now doing this
00:05:22for a
00:05:22while like in the beginning days it was harder yeah but it's not fun i think that happened with
00:05:28steven where i detached him unintentionally as it went on yep i think i tried to bring myself into
00:05:35him but then as he became worse and worse i was like yeah he's a character i'll make him be
00:05:42a
00:05:42character and then i could then you can play with it more and detach um i'm thinking about it it
00:05:48being
00:05:48wednesday everyone just found out that this was the series finale not the season finale and none of us
00:05:57had any idea that this was the end of tell me lies how are you feeling and how did you
00:06:03find out
00:06:05uh really recently a few days ago actually and who told you so grace actually told me and we were
00:06:13both
00:06:13in the airport we were both in the airport in separate parts of the airport we're in different
00:06:18terminals different terminals so far away two terminals away it's a new love story and um and
00:06:27i felt really really sad initially even though i knew creatively that's what was supposed to happen
00:06:35that's what the intention always was was you know it's and it's a very perfect we'll get into that
00:06:43we're gonna get into it if it was a perfect ending i do think it was i think it's hilarious
00:06:48but it but it
00:06:49was very sad i was sad and i and because it's like you're you made a family the cast was
00:06:55like a family
00:06:56and then you you also like lost a job you didn't but it also feels like a little bit like
00:07:04that
00:07:07and it's been four years putting yourself into something
00:07:12so it was like mixed bag so did you guys have like a conversation with your cast mates like are
00:07:17you
00:07:17guys gonna have like a going away party yeah i mean i wish i hope because we're so close and
00:07:24everyone i think is emotional about it even though i don't know you just can't plan for these things
00:07:29okay let's talk about the finale okay i sat down i had snacks i was locked in yeah i was
00:07:37like how are
00:07:38they gonna wrap this thing up yeah in this there's so many questions like what's gonna happen with
00:07:43pippa and brie and wrigley and you and why are you marrying lydia and what like there's so many
00:07:49questions and then she did manage to wrap the entire thing up in the finale how did you feel
00:07:55about it when you were filming it and then when you got to watch it i laughed hysterically when i
00:08:01read it
00:08:03that we all did because it was like oh he he wins that's so funny that's so cosmically funny i
00:08:11am sorry
00:08:12i think it's a big tragic comedy at the end it's so fucking crazy yeah i hope everyone laughs no
00:08:20no
00:08:20no you don't understand did you do you like look online when people are talking about the series at
00:08:26all because everyone said anymore okay the only way that you it would get be a justifiable ending
00:08:33everyone was like steven needs to die right he needs to die and then you like kind of won
00:08:40that's so good that's so funny not not even like strictly oh my character like that's fucking hilarious
00:08:47it's crazy like you have the guy who's the the object of the of the torment or the or the
00:08:55whatever
00:08:55the aggressor and then it's like very it's not realistic because it's television but
00:09:02it's a new thing i've never seen that done before well it's also really realistic of like this
00:09:07sometimes is how it fucking goes yeah like probably not to that extent no hopefully not hopefully not
00:09:14but it's kind of how it goes like a lot of a lot of a lot of bad people win
00:09:22how did you feel filming the wedding scene that whole blow up and then you taking the mic at 3
00:09:28a.m
00:09:29and being like yeah it's more fucking thing ladies and gentlemen it was cool well it was 3 a.m
00:09:33it was
00:09:34like 4 a.m we were doing that all night and i had the flu i had like 103 feet
00:09:40i had a fever i was like
00:09:41sweating and sore throat and they like juiced me up and i went out there and and just blacked out
00:09:48i just that was crazy it's crazy that that happened on that day who do you think made out the
00:09:56best in
00:09:57the show by the end do you want to say it together one two three steven like motherfucker i know
00:10:07because i was like okay technically diana you're like diana oh yeah she got away but on the richter
00:10:14scale of like who did the worst shit that then got out the best like yeah he got rejected now
00:10:19from
00:10:20yale and they like got rid of him but you got to do another one on lucy at the very
00:10:24end that was a
00:10:25mind fuck the gas station moment i was like literally go fuck yourself i know i know it's twisted
00:10:31and then you're the one holding the mic like like literally like bang bang bang bang bang to
00:10:35every single person he just ices everyone in the room smoked him i had fun i don't know how i
00:10:42feel
00:10:42about it do you are you like yeah like what what is the response to something like that i think
00:10:48that
00:10:48it weirdly as i've had time to process it now i'm finding that at first i couldn't decide if i
00:10:57wanted
00:10:57it to end where you and lucy just like left in the car together you thought that did you think
00:11:03that
00:11:03that's where it was gonna end i thought it was gonna end there because i was like oh and he's
00:11:06gonna
00:11:06fuck her over again but then megan made the decision no let me have you watch one more time
00:11:11him fuck her over again that's the perfect ending to this show because why am i so fucked up that
00:11:19i
00:11:19low-key wanted you guys to end up together right right that's the whole thing you're disgusting you
00:11:26murdered someone i know and that's the whole that's the whole joke yeah and then and then it's a perfect
00:11:31ending like this will never end okay can you indulge me for a second yeah so i think
00:11:38to your credit you brought to life a character that millions of people are frustrated by they hate
00:11:50they found some moments where they've like loved you or liked you and then they go back to hating
00:11:55you and being disgusted and now the character we're done with but i thought today we could really
00:12:02finish it off strong and you can get into character one last time get into character
00:12:09oh shit get your posture ready darn it yeah right just my shitty posture all right get you're gonna get
00:12:17into character as steven and you are go i'm gonna give you scenarios from my audience and i want you
00:12:23to
00:12:23give advice as if you are steven speaking so steven welcome to call our daddy okay oh god look at
00:12:31him
00:12:31getting into character
00:12:35okay um so i'm gonna come back and i'm gonna answer your questions now i'm steven okay all right i'm
00:12:41steven i'll answer everyone hey how you doing hi can you adjust the microphone to be closer to you
00:12:48i think it's fine where it is sure that'll make you more comfortable that'll make me really
00:12:54comfortable thanks this is my show sure okay steven someone wrote in and said i went through my
00:13:04boyfriend's phone last night and saw he has an active dating profile should i tell him i know what
00:13:12do i do steven no hold that in hold that in for a long time use it when you have
00:13:17to
00:13:19you weaponize it wait until you're in a situation where he is in front of his parents
00:13:28and reveal it and put it on a flash drive
00:13:33wait until you're making love and at the moment of climax reveal that you know about his dating
00:13:42profile okay steven sorry this is great no this is great okay next one okay this is kind of really
00:13:50relatable to steven okay my boyfriend and i keep getting into massive arguments but he never takes
00:13:57accountability for his actions how can we move forward if you will never own up to the things
00:14:02that he's done find the people he holds dear learn his secrets it's constantly like hostage same thing
00:14:11hold information put it on your computer and then use it at a horrible time i think that's that's what
00:14:20he does why do you think that he gave lucy back the tape maybe he was exhausted he was like
00:14:28i don't
00:14:28want to do i'm he's like bitch i'm going to yale yeah he's bored yeah that's probably what it was
00:14:32he
00:14:33was bored yeah he's bored he was like you look pathetic yeah i tortured you enough yeah he's done
00:14:37now i need to find another thing to torture you it was over okay we're moving on call her daddy
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00:16:12okay let's talk about grace okay let's talk about my girl that that's easy for me okay that's i can
00:16:18relax well when grace came on here she talked to me about how she kind of has this thing for
00:16:25like
00:16:25kind of crazy pajamas and after she then sent me the video of her in the said crazy pajamas which
00:16:36video
00:16:37which vid you get you took the video and it's her she kind of looks like she's in it's like
00:16:43a
00:16:43this is the one with the black feathers oh no not that one i didn't get that one it was
00:16:48we didn't get that one it was more of like a jester striped situation striped situation and i was
00:16:54wondering have you like did you wear anything lucky last night to bed to prepare for this did i wear
00:17:01anything lucky last night to bed such a great question more people would ask me that i didn't
00:17:08wear anything lucky okay i wore my normal bed wear okay what do you wear just underwear and like a
00:17:18i
00:17:18like a a tank top when i sleep okay just a little like not the full t-shirt thing and
00:17:25not or i'll rip
00:17:26it off and go just underwear just underwear and i just want to clarify like yeah i hope i wasn't
00:17:31asking you i wouldn't have asked i know unless your girlfriend told me because i'm picturing grace
00:17:36wearing her full jester outfit and then you in normal she's in a well she wears the cap with the
00:17:42with the bell like scrooge yep she looks like screwed with the elf feet yep with the feet
00:17:49and she's grumpy and she's sitting there with it over her breast and then i'm in nothing and and that's
00:17:56how we sleep when it works i love that it's great okay so that you wore like a normal outfit
00:18:01to bed
00:18:02last night i love that yeah these are the hard-hitting facts that we need to know on call her
00:18:05daddy um when i got to interview her a few months ago yeah loved her she's lovely um she told
00:18:11me about
00:18:12how you guys met and how you fell in love but she said that you were giving off very very
00:18:18serious
00:18:18actor energy on the initial video call where you guys met how do you remember that going
00:18:26well when you're nervous you go into a mode course so when you're on like a big she had the
00:18:35job i
00:18:35didn't have the job so i was in like a mode i was in like a hello nice to meet
00:18:39you and we do a mode
00:18:40it wasn't serious but it was like trying to get the job yeah and then i remember what happened
00:18:44she always trips up on this she had the job i didn't have the job this is a very interesting
00:18:49conversation on power and she said do you need anything from me which is a very like actor-y
00:18:56question not to throw back on her but that's very like do you need anything from me performance wise
00:19:03and then i think i said no you're doing great no you're doing great which if you don't know me
00:19:11i can sound very condescending sometimes but i do i mean it genuinely i can sound very like
00:19:20like good job right you're like horrible job you're like no really good job you know what i mean when
00:19:25someone's like hey you're doing great right you're like and so i think i probably sound like a dick but
00:19:30i really meant it she was like can i do anything i'm like no you're great okay so then you
00:19:34left that
00:19:35and did you feel any vibes romantic vibes um no we were pretty we were we were walled up
00:19:42we were walled up um she was yeah she from the very initial time we were both like in relationships
00:19:50we were like it was not like that i think it was it wasn't until everyone was open and we
00:19:58might do
00:19:58this job together that's when we started you know what do you remember about the first time you started
00:20:04to have like oh my god wait could i have romantic feelings for this person when she texted me what
00:20:09did she text you like hey like what's up i was i was in i was in canada for some
00:20:16reason and she
00:20:17said uh it was like you know hey come to new york she didn't say like come to new york
00:20:23but she was
00:20:23like what are you doing i'm doing this for the holiday she was like oh i was like i might
00:20:27come to
00:20:27new york and she was like something like cool and sexy where she was like you should like you
00:20:33fucking should like with a fuck you should fucking do it or something like that and you guys were
00:20:38already filming tell me lies no no no no i had i still hadn't had the job it took me
00:20:42eight months
00:20:43to get this job i had to convince so many people to let me do this job it was very
00:20:48funny um because
00:20:49you're so good at the role well thanks yeah no no i i um they just had to comb the
00:20:57earth i guess to
00:20:57find this it's a very complicated guy and there was like a lot of dudes who did it you know
00:21:03whatever
00:21:03yeah whatever yeah yeah and then she had the job i didn't have the job and then i went to
00:21:09new york
00:21:12and we kind of like talked about all the reasons why we shouldn't do it because i don't have the
00:21:16job yet and then yep okay wait i remember though you said that you were dying to make the first
00:21:22move
00:21:24but didn't have the courage to go through with it what was going on what do you remember feeling in
00:21:29that moment just like ripping out of your chest kind of thing you know that thing and when she
00:21:39finally went in for the kiss maybe that's a power thing like i didn't want to sorry to interrupt no
00:21:45this is good i didn't want to make a move because i didn't have the that's not really it but
00:21:54i can
00:21:55totally be a people pleaser i can totally think i'm overstepping
00:22:02maybe i wanted to
00:22:07not step on anyone's toes what do you mean
00:22:14well like like what if i didn't have the role and then i kissed her and then she was like
00:22:21whoa whoa
00:22:21whoa whoa whoa now you're definitely not getting the role you know right right like what if i
00:22:27overstepped so she kind of had to make the first move and she was like and that's not these thoughts
00:22:32aren't going through my head but i'm definitely right we're reflecting yeah yeah that's interesting
00:22:37you're probably like some subconsciously i probably like tread lightly yeah you like her but don't
00:22:44right because it was a work dynamic also yeah and that's how it first started so it's like you kind
00:22:49of
00:22:49got a she was my boss she was your boss she was my daddy is she still your daddy she
00:22:54was my she's
00:22:55my daddy grace is my daddy i love that for grace so much honestly you're like i can't believe i
00:23:03said
00:23:03that yeah that's gonna i know where that that's gonna be on your thing just that it's gonna be
00:23:08that's the whole promo yeah grace is my daddy i know it's perfect i know what you want yeah just
00:23:13keep giving it you're doing great okay is it true that you let grace give you multiple tattoos early
00:23:18on in the relationship yes how like what tattoos and how many um one two three four now walk me
00:23:30through that thought process of like allowing someone really early on in dating to like fully tattoo
00:23:37your bod were you nervous like what if it ends have you ever done that nope okay i just what
00:23:44if it
00:23:44done it right i'm like nope yeah you let someone put a needle in no no okay um i don't
00:23:49think you
00:23:49don't think about the you don't think about that i don't think about a lot of i'm very impulsive
00:23:54but that was also hilarious i like i liked it um i liked i i like that yeah i don't
00:24:00know you're
00:24:00you're on the adrenaline of the courtship phase plus like pain and i was down that was cool how do
00:24:10you
00:24:10think that your guys relationship has evolved over the course of the show it's just gotten more adult
00:24:18i don't know it's more like
00:24:22you don't think this the ceiling's gonna cave in you know what i mean you're not like
00:24:27i don't know you start with a lot of fear in any relationship and then you kind of
00:24:37get comfortable
00:24:40and i think we've just grown up
00:24:44when you say you start with a lot of fear in the beginning of relationships or maybe i do i
00:24:50was
00:24:50gonna say what do you mean i think normal people don't as much i'm in a lot of fear
00:24:58why because i just grew up in fear i grew up in a lot of inconsistency so i didn't know
00:25:03what was going
00:25:05on a lot of the time and so i come at situations uh from a fearful place sometimes i'm getting
00:25:17better
00:25:17better it gets better and better over the last 10 years but i absolutely go into things
00:25:24on the defense thinking that it's not going to work out that's how i approach
00:25:30most things that kind of relates to you said recently in an interview that it's higher stakes
00:25:35to stay together for me than to break up it's definitely more work in higher stakes to be with
00:25:42somebody yeah um it's it's way less pressure to to not more painful but you have to like you have
00:25:51to want to be with somebody very very hard right yes like do you would you say if when you
00:25:58look back
00:25:58at your past were you more comfortable and relaxed being single because you're on your own and you're
00:26:07dependent on yourself or do you like being kind of dependent in a relationship i think dependence the
00:26:13wrong word i think it's important to not be fully dependent you can be dependent for certain things
00:26:19like i like to be dependent for things that she does better that i don't do like she's better at
00:26:26so
00:26:26many things and it's nice to have a partner in that to do things that you don't do but the
00:26:31the the
00:26:32dependent part gets tricky when you're like stop seeing friends or whatever you know what i mean
00:26:40that's when you have to start and that's a that's an that's a discipline that's an effort i find or
00:26:45maybe that's just where i come from but it's a discipline for me to round out my life like it's
00:26:51a
00:26:51pie and you have to everything has to be a piece and i have to consciously go to those other
00:26:57pieces so
00:26:58that you don't put too much pressure on a relationship let's go back because you just
00:27:03mentioned like you going into a relationship you're like it starts in fear and then it gets
00:27:08comfortable which i don't think is like a completely abnormal statement like i don't think that's
00:27:15not what people feel i think maybe fear is like a pretty strong word to use i think maybe some
00:27:20people
00:27:20are more like oh it's a little like you don't know what's gonna happen and it's like exciting but
00:27:24it's a little like up in the air and you're kind of like excited to see what's to come and
00:27:28then
00:27:28eventually you get comfortable you're like it's fucking terrifying yeah which obviously relates
00:27:33to your childhood growing up your parents got divorced when you were really young yeah your
00:27:38dad remarried three times four times three three i think three um how do you think watching your
00:27:47parents different relationships ultimately impacted your perception of love and commitment
00:27:57child of divorce conversation like are you are you i'm not but i have interviewed a lot of people
00:28:04that are and i also kind of feel like everyone's got their shit it's all it's all all fucked it's
00:28:11so
00:28:11weird it's all weird and now it's on us to to say okay cool i i unpacked it i figured
00:28:16it out goodbye
00:28:17that's not me yes that's that's the new that is the thing yes because we therapy now it's all it's
00:28:24like it's it's too much yes like figure yourself out and then let it go before you figured yourself
00:28:34out yeah did you have any patterns that you now can look back and be like oh that's just because
00:28:38of like what i was raised seeing that i thought was normal yeah well you yeah you you i think
00:28:44everyone
00:28:45is like inherently a little narcissistic when you're coming up that's just what it is you're
00:28:49like when you're a teenager you're like oh my god and then you go to college that's what these
00:28:53characters all are they're they're just self-involved um and and and you uh
00:29:01you just you start not making yourself the victim because you you learn that those that there
00:29:08are consequences or that no one's coming to the rescue and that you can't just make it about yourself
00:29:13and you can't weaponize your your past and use that in your relationships with your friends because
00:29:19people won't stay anymore they won't they won't stick they don't want to hang out with you if you're
00:29:23if you're if you're doing that but it is so fucked up because it takes you as we all have
00:29:31done like
00:29:33repeatedly doing something whether it's a pattern whether it's like jealousy or abandonment wounds or um
00:29:41being pulled back and kind of being like not emotionally available whatever it is that you
00:29:46bring and then slowly you get the note enough from partners that you've been with that you're like
00:29:52okay i actually have to look at myself totally and i need to address this or you don't take the
00:29:57note
00:29:58and you're out here still just ripping what do you think one of your notes has been
00:30:02it's a great question i'm i'm i mean i'm um yeah i gotta ban him and i don't know i
00:30:10guess like i'm
00:30:10i'm afraid of i'm afraid it's fear it's all fear so i'm like afraid of i've been afraid of men
00:30:16a lot
00:30:16of the time that like i've been afraid of um like male relationships i've had to work on because
00:30:25um i just had it i had a more complicated relationship with men than i did with women i was
00:30:29i was kind of raised with my mom my sister so um so i've had to work on on that
00:30:36um in relationships
00:30:37um i i can it's what i was explaining you're supposed to do is like divide your time i i
00:30:43can
00:30:44totally not do that and put too much pressure on a relationship that's the big note yeah i mean i
00:30:50think that's really relatable too especially if you have that instability growing up and then you get
00:30:56to a point where you're like oh my god i found love i found my person like i found this
00:30:59person
00:30:59that loves me and i love them and then of course you don't want that to end because you're seeing
00:31:04real love and you have it right there and it's accessible yeah you're like i don't want to lose
00:31:08this and then sometimes you hang on to something because you're like even though subconsciously you
00:31:12know it's not maybe perfect you're like but it's also someone that like loves you yes and so you're
00:31:18like should i just stay because it's something stable or should i go because i know it's not right
00:31:24and a lot of times with abandonment wounds you're like i'm just gonna stay or you leave first
00:31:28so that they don't abandon you get the jump on it that's that's definitely real too how did you feel
00:31:34growing up about your stepmoms because that's a lot funny the stepmom conversation is so funny i
00:31:39didn't know him that well i mean my dad my dad lived in um in uh franklin in tennessee okay
00:31:46my mom lived
00:31:47here and i would spend the summers and whatnot with him or or weeks at whatever breaks i'd go out
00:31:54there because i loved it out there and i would hang out with these new these new mamas and uh
00:32:03they were
00:32:03cool you know shout out to deborah you know i didn't i didn't know him that well but i was
00:32:13like
00:32:13deborah what's up debbie um but i didn't i don't know i i kind of like i kind of um
00:32:21i was a kid i think you have a um you have a gut reaction to somebody who's replacing your
00:32:28parent
00:32:29like i think i gave her a hard time i was like a child but i think i like
00:32:33you know deborah grabbed my arm too hard but i think she was probably a a a wonderful person yeah
00:32:40and
00:32:41yet i was like very adverse to to change and and same with my my stepdad my mom remarried and
00:32:47like
00:32:48we've always had a uh two rams locking horns just because it goes against your biology but um but it's
00:32:56they're also filling a very difficult role i could not imagine marrying somebody with kids and just being
00:33:05like these are from a complicated fucked up place but i'm gonna take care of them
00:33:10that's weird so right it's like when you get older you then can have empathy for both dynamics
00:33:16because you're like now you're getting closer to the point where you can picture potentially being
00:33:21in more of like a fatherly role where when you were younger as a kid you're like oh my god
00:33:25this
00:33:25person's gonna replace my dad or replace my mom and now you're like whoa that was a lot to walk
00:33:30into
00:33:30it doesn't mean they were perfect i just had this conversation with my with my stepdad where i was
00:33:35like i i just crystallized recently of like oh dude that must be so hard um uh i that's i
00:33:44couldn't
00:33:44imagine you had mentioned kind of like craving the stability of a family unit your entire life
00:33:52when things feel shaky yeah where do you find or where did you find that safety
00:34:01in the in the wrong places and then in the right places like you you you copy your parents like
00:34:09my dad was a my dad was a very complicated amazing
00:34:19person he was like he was a an incredible drummer and music was my whole uh life and my mom
00:34:28is an
00:34:29incredible singer and we grew up playing so much music and and i learned all about music and i i've
00:34:34been playing drums since i was a baby and um and it's what i love to do and i and
00:34:38i took all those things
00:34:40from him i also took his like work ethic like he he was a he was a tour manager he
00:34:46was a drummer he ran
00:34:47shit he was a very disciplined guy and i i i have so much of that and i apply that
00:34:52to whatever i i can um
00:34:55but then the the flip side of that was you know he was on these big tours and you know
00:35:02he'd get off these tours
00:35:04and the lights would be off and it'd be quiet for months on end and he came from an extremely
00:35:11um
00:35:14hostile um upbringing and he didn't have any tools to cope with it not like we do in our
00:35:22time and um and so yeah there's a lot a lot of drinking and and all that's under that umbrella
00:35:29and
00:35:30and um and i you know i drank a lot with him and um you know just a lot of
00:35:37drinking and smoking with
00:35:38dad and so i i totally like grew up with an interesting with a skewed perspective on all
00:35:45that and um and i know if i wasn't careful i would let that run my my life especially when
00:35:51you start
00:35:51doing that when you're young and when you have your parent being there with you when you're kind
00:35:57of doing that and it's almost like a bonding thing yeah oh yeah because you're you're young
00:36:04and he's back off the road and you're like oh my god let's sit and let's drink and let's talk
00:36:08that
00:36:08was it and that's kind of you're like a 12 year old kid right so that's that's where it gets
00:36:12tricky
00:36:13and did you ever feel like because it seems like you weren't always with him it was like you would
00:36:17like visit and then you would leave like yeah did you feel like you really got to know him enough
00:36:25or
00:36:25do you like wish that you could have spent more time with him yeah totally i wish i spent more
00:36:32time with him this is what this what it is though um we didn't talk for a long long periods
00:36:37of time
00:36:38just because whatever life but um but but i got to i got to be with him for for the
00:36:45important times um
00:36:50but you have like an idea of your parent maybe it's like girls and their mothers or boys and their
00:36:56fathers but you you they're like superheroes and then you get to the age where you're like oh
00:37:02if that's superman we're we're fucked you know what i mean it's like oh no and that happened that
00:37:07switch happened in the midst of all that chaos and and um and and it took me you know made
00:37:16us stripped
00:37:16apart and then and then we came together when we were both adults yeah um i know your dad passed
00:37:23away a little bit ago i'm so sorry no yeah thanks um how do you think your perspective also has
00:37:29kind
00:37:29of changed on like your parents dynamic and what they were able to provide for you together even though
00:37:38they were separated as time has evolved like do you hold resentment do you understand how they what they
00:37:45did yeah i do not anymore i had resentment for a long time and going back to that like we
00:37:51that's
00:37:52what you weaponize you you weaponize resentment you're like oh this person fucked me up so i'm
00:37:57gonna fuck you up hurt people hurt people um but not anymore it's all love yeah it's all it's all
00:38:06good
00:38:06now i took i took a lot i took a lot from my mom and a lot from my dad
00:38:09let's talk about your mom
00:38:11yeah because obviously you got to work with her on tell me lies which i remember i was a fan
00:38:18of her
00:38:19from sons of anarchy i fucking love that show great show um how old were you when that was being
00:38:25made
00:38:25like fifth grade sixth grade i was young yeah and your stepdad and your mom were both yeah working
00:38:30on that show interesting so maybe i saw that you know yeah parents working together was a thing you
00:38:37know interesting you know did you ever watch the show i've seen parts of it yeah okay was that a
00:38:44good or bad time in your life it was great that's an interesting question no it was great i mean
00:38:49it was
00:38:49cool like that's that was the big family discussion for many years was that show yeah it's like if grace
00:38:57and i had a kid right they would be a they would know tell me lies intimately even if i
00:39:02hadn't seen it
00:39:03you know i know everything about that show when she decided to come on because you had the role first
00:39:09yeah what was your reaction to like did you want it to kind of be your own thing and not
00:39:14have your
00:39:15mom be involved at all was there like a totally there's a little kid thing where you're like no
00:39:18it's mine right but then i thought oh yeah it's fine no it's great i thought it was really full
00:39:22circle
00:39:22and um i thought she was i thought megan was kidding when she said they want to ask her i
00:39:28thought i was
00:39:29hilarious and then they did and and then it worked out it worked out okay your mom plays your mom
00:39:35yeah
00:39:35your girlfriend plays your girlfriend on the show how and i'm sure you've been asked this before but
00:39:40like i need to ask you it myself like how did you navigate not letting those two worlds of your
00:39:46reality to then the show get blurred together you you you want to not let it blend but i think
00:39:53it does
00:39:54just because i'm like i didn't sign on to this i don't do this job because i'm
00:40:04all there like all together you know like i i i like that you can't you know you come you
00:40:11do make
00:40:12believe for your job you're probably a little fucked up probably and so you take on a little bit of
00:40:19everything and um and it was hard it was hard to hard to not let the lines blur yeah call
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00:42:09trip
00:42:10stop fantasizing about your dream trip and start planning it on airbnb i do want to go back to
00:42:16something that you were talking about earlier in regard to your relationship to your father growing up
00:42:24um you mentioned how alcohol was and became a big part of your life with him and your relationship
00:42:36do you mind talking a little bit more about how that influenced and impacted you yeah i think um
00:42:50i think we all have coping mechanisms for how difficult all of this is and
00:43:04it's different for every person mine mine was thankfully more clear-cut like i like i know a lot
00:43:13of the things that hope and but there's so many things that hold me back all the time but um
00:43:20it's so fast the things that can like hold you back right like it's it can be substance it can
00:43:29be
00:43:30like people behaviors food um a lot whatever everyone's got their thing everyone's got a thing
00:43:43and i think focusing on what that is and discovering what that is is what what makes you progress like
00:43:56as a person in your career and your relationships like if that that's what makes you grow um for you
00:44:03when you look back like you talk about fear and i can imagine i think when we have fear we
00:44:10have anxieties
00:44:10we can try to do things to avoid that like how did you find yourself leaning into unhealthy coping
00:44:19mechanisms to like avoid your pain or your fear well fear yeah fear is the fear is like the core
00:44:24fear and
00:44:25then and then and then and then anger is like a symptom and like you know drinking can be a
00:44:31symptom and
00:44:32uh behavior is a symptom so like it's but it starts with that like i'm not enough
00:44:38i won't be enough people are better than me i'll be left i'll be alone um
00:44:48i'm not good enough to be here or to be with this person that's those thoughts are like
00:44:56though those those thoughts start everything and then
00:45:02everything else is like a i don't know then you just start reacting how do you think you got to
00:45:08a
00:45:08place where numbing those feelings you eventually were like wait that's actually
00:45:16more unhealthy like by me doing i just got tired i get i get tired of running on that it's
00:45:23like you
00:45:24you don't it's exhausting to to to um
00:45:32be unconscious you don't even know it's exhausting um and thankfully i had like i had a i had a
00:45:40parent who
00:45:42got like my mom got her shit together she did she got her shit together a long time ago
00:45:48and i got to see that you can get your shit together so i had a i had a really
00:45:51great example in my mom
00:45:55and i want a lot of things like i just want a lot of things in this life i want
00:46:02a lot of family things a
00:46:04lot of career things
00:46:07and if something's stopping you from getting those i don't you don't even mean it's that simple if
00:46:12there's if you're being stopped from getting those things and you're seeing signs that you're not
00:46:17getting those things if you're missing your audition if you're like if you're if you're shitty on the
00:46:22phone if you're reacting poorly um it's just like you just gotta focus on it you gotta have that
00:46:29self-knowledge though and sorry and and like you have to consequences are what start
00:46:38pushing that into action and if you don't have consequences sometimes you can go on and on and on
00:46:43that's what i was going to ask you like when you were going through maybe one of the darker times
00:46:47in
00:46:47your life yeah and struggling and going through all these feelings of like am i good enough am i not
00:46:53and then leaning into unhealthy patterns because that would kind of numb the pain yeah what were
00:47:01examples where you kind of had to face reality whether it was people confronting you um maybe you lost
00:47:07relationships um yeah you you it's both it's it's um uh you're subconsciously ruining everything
00:47:19you just break shit um right yeah yeah well and it's hard too because like depending on where you're
00:47:30at in your life like i feel like for social reasons like it's so fucking confusing
00:47:41if even if you're talking about like drinking like it's so confusing because it's such a social
00:47:47thing oh yeah and so it's like the fear of like am i not going to be fun anymore if
00:47:53i stop am i not
00:47:54going to be this anymore and it's like there's so much that we tell ourselves if we want to try
00:47:59to
00:48:00get better you almost go to the negatives first before like we know this is going to actually make
00:48:04your life a lot healthier and happier um but it's so ingrained in culture that it's really hard to be
00:48:11like can i stop this should i go going on a date like if you've drank on every date and
00:48:18then you go
00:48:18on a date and you're not drinking like you feel like a alien and you feel like oh my god
00:48:23all my stuff
00:48:24is coming out and i'm not prepared for this and um and and this is also side note these things
00:48:32don't go
00:48:32away when you take a behavior out of your life the hole the god-sized hole is there no matter
00:48:42what
00:48:42for most people i mean for all people for all people there's a there's a there's a thing that
00:48:49we're trying to fill with people and places and things and money and we just are it doesn't go anywhere
00:48:58you just have to take out the thing that makes it destructive which is really fucking hard which
00:49:05is fucking hard and it's just substituting vices right it's not like there's one good one and one bad
00:49:11one it's just what's working for you if if you're taking it out in your relationship you you're going
00:49:16to hurt somebody if you're taking it out with substances you're gonna hurt yourself for you once you
00:49:22were able to be like okay i am going to try to move forward in life and like give myself
00:49:30a healthier lifestyle let's say um what were some of the positives and negatives that you saw once you
00:49:40got that clarity of like i need to shift my life i need to change my my actions to my
00:49:45own body and to
00:49:46myself everything everything changed um like i want to say that there were external things that
00:49:56changed dramatically but there weren't but there were well there were i mean you you get you're if
00:50:03you're clear you can you're just better prepared for life and you can succeed and blah blah blah but
00:50:11also you just it's here you just feel less like you're in trouble all the time or you're gonna you
00:50:20just you you have you have that ease and that's what we all want is that ease i just want
00:50:26to feel
00:50:26okay yeah yeah you want to see your shit come out stop drinking yeah you'll get to the real
00:50:31shit stop drinking you'll feel great and then and then that deep in the core shit comes out and
00:50:39it's like oh yeah that was there i was just covering it up with with whatever how are you
00:50:44doing with the fears and the anxieties and all of that i'm doing good it's been a good um
00:50:52long educational road uh uh and and i feel i feel great um my life has changed and i have
00:51:03a lot of
00:51:05uh a lot a lot of love in my life and and i i care about people that's the big
00:51:11thing i genuinely
00:51:14give a shit about like how some someone else is doing which i didn't have when i was like
00:51:22younger and running on doritos and fear like i i you know and that's the
00:51:32that's the best thing to come out of it is like because all i want all i want is to
00:51:36be like um
00:51:37like a worker among workers like just fucking just i want the life to be like calm and serene
00:51:45and i think sometimes when people talk about a darkness in their life the beauty of it is it also
00:51:52brings such a a light because it's like it really forces you to go through a lot of fucking shit
00:51:59but then you've been through a lot of fucking shit i had to because if i if i didn't then
00:52:04my
00:52:05shit would run the i would i wouldn't be working i wouldn't be around people i had to that's that's
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00:54:35fire
00:54:36okay what's the time you absolutely bombed an audition all of them so many of them i've got like 150
00:54:42of
00:54:43them okay other than you which tell me lies character is the most insufferable uh evan
00:54:52that that sounds like something steven would say well i love no no like but i just mean like
00:54:59factually based on the plot um and also him with brie's mom and getting the mom drunk before seeing
00:55:05brie right i think i think he fucks shit up again i think he i think he's actually evan like
00:55:11bad news
00:55:11yeah he's bad news oh wait insufferable the teacher oliver disgusting bad boy um what is the pettiest
00:55:18thing you've ever done after a breakup i disintegrated my instagram what is that even you disintegrated
00:55:25humans like i didn't just like delete but it was like delete delete forever destroy and i was like
00:55:32yes delete forever type in password gone forever to yours not her mine and you just disappeared i just
00:55:39ghosted because i was like i didn't want to deal with seeing anything i didn't want to deal with
00:55:43i just so i did you ask destructive what's the pettiest thing oh petty oh that's not really petty
00:55:51that was more just like insane but i had some good momentum going too and this was this was a
00:55:56long
00:55:56time ago and i just poof had to start over um okay what is the best gift you've ever gotten
00:56:01for grace
00:56:03oh i got her um i got her i got her a little cartier last year oh ring bracelet necklace
00:56:13got a little
00:56:13cartier ring cute but i got i didn't know it was the wedding ring you got her the wedding ring
00:56:19one i didn't
00:56:20know she's like you're proposing i yeah it was so funny i i was like i didn't know that this
00:56:24was
00:56:25oh like the wedding i didn't know oh jackson did she know yeah and she's like no it's a sick
00:56:34ring
00:56:34though you don't have to wear it as a wedding okay we just like have it on other other fingers
00:56:39okay
00:56:40that's cute cute um what do you think your two top love languages are the ones that i need or
00:56:47the
00:56:47ones that i give both give me both i love that you know that as a man also good job
00:56:51well
00:56:54i give acts of service okay huge time big time that's like how i show love i'll do this for
00:57:01you i'll
00:57:02do this for you and then i want to receive words affirmation affirmation i want you to tell me
00:57:10how great how great i am let me tell you tell me you like me still do you remember the
00:57:16first
00:57:17big purchase you splurged on with your tell me lies paycheck i bought it i bought it i bought a
00:57:23car
00:57:24oh i didn't buy it yeah i bought it i bought it i needed a new car and i bought
00:57:28a new car
00:57:28what kind of car i bought a dodge durango that makes a lot of sense with the hemi
00:57:34very loud car you're obnoxious i'm obnoxious wait so you're the one driving that i'm like
00:57:41oh my god no but i'm not the guy who's like but can you explain why to the sound like
00:57:45what do what
00:57:46do we need that for power power no no i just love it stupid my dad was my dad was
00:57:54such a car guy he
00:57:55okay and i remember i showed him that i went to all these dealerships with my dad
00:58:01and uh we picked that one cute yeah okay okay it's a great loud car still have it i'm surprised
00:58:06you didn't hear it pull into your i'm happy i didn't because i would have roasted you at the
00:58:10very top i know i know um yes we're finally sadly done with tell me lies but where are we
00:58:18going to
00:58:18see you next like do you have projects that you're working on do you have things that you're going to
00:58:25be doing yes i know you can't tell me but like you're going to be acting obviously yeah
00:58:30okay yeah have you filmed other things i did film something else okay i filmed something after the
00:58:38last season and was that character so different than steven opposite how did you feel about that
00:58:45it was awesome electric it was electric it was everything yeah it was super fun um okay it was
00:58:52very like like natural like bring yourself to it like like true true it was very like truthful and
00:59:05natural type of acting which was very cool so it's like you could do that everywhere but tell me lies
00:59:10was very like a lot of precision and and we're telling this story and it was like a it was
00:59:16a very
00:59:16different like artistic very like different thing amazing and it was great it was you know i think
00:59:21that's needed i saw grace on a red carpet being like i think i need to play some like lighter
00:59:25roles
00:59:25like yeah from like lucy and amanda nox i was like girl you deserve to get in jail she needs
00:59:31to
00:59:32she needs to go do some she needs reprieve yes she does and she's the funniest fucking person ever
00:59:38she's amazing she's so funny i am so happy i got to know you because again like i didn't know
00:59:44what
00:59:44to expect i know we've seen such a large character be built and i agree i can imagine you're like
00:59:51loved that love what i did with that but i'm excited for people to get to know jackson yeah which
00:59:56i feel like we really did today i think we got some good little slices i think if anything there's
01:00:04something um very calming to have watched this traumatizing show and then have you kind of like
01:00:13close us out everyone's gonna have watched it they're gonna wake up in the morning on wednesday
01:00:16and they're gonna be like oh my god i'm about to tune in this little piece of shit oh my
01:00:20god he
01:00:20wrote off in the sunset and then we're gonna hear from you you're gonna be like hey guys i'm jackson
01:00:24like life was hard and and i yeah like i'm here and i'm just hoping to yeah you know have
01:00:30a good
01:00:30career yeah yeah that's that's what i hope that's what i hope i hope that too and i can feel
01:00:37they're
01:00:37gonna take that yeah good jackson thank you so much for coming on call her daddy for having this
01:00:44this was really lovely i had a really good time me too thank you
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