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A 35 anni dall'omicidio di Simonetta Cesaroni, il delitto di Via Poma resta irrisolto. Tra errori, depistaggi e assoluzioni, la famiglia rinnova la fiducia nella giustizia. Un'inchiesta Rai ricostruisce il caso con nuove testimonianze.   Sul delitto di Via Poma, a trentacinque anni di distanza, non è ancora stata scritta la parola fine: l'omicidio di Simonetta Cesaroni resta un caso irrisolto. Colpevoli dichiarati innocenti, errori nelle indagini, un lungo iter processuale conclusosi con una piena assoluzione, e numerosi depistaggi hanno reso ancora più complesso il quadro. In una toccante lettera, la testimonianza di Paola Cesaroni che rinnova la sua fiducia nella magistratura e nella giustizia, auspicando che si arrivi alla verità sull'uccisione della sorella. Gli inviati Alessandro Gaeta e Sabrina Turco ripercorrono i punti salienti del caso attraverso nuove testimonianze e filmati inediti provenienti dalle Teche Rai. Dietro l'omicidio della giovane romana, avvenuto il 7 agosto 1990, si cela un intreccio di reticenze e bugie. Personaggi oscuri, che hanno taciuto o distorto la verità, hanno ostacolato per anni il cammino verso la giustizia.   #Crime #TrueCrime #Delitti #Misteri #Documentari #Killer #SerialKiller #ColdCase #Cronaca #CronacaNera #SimonettaCesaroni #ViaPoma #Delitto #Femminicidio

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00:00:24Paola accompanied her until the advent,

00:00:29she came back home.

00:00:31We haven't seen Simonetta again.

00:00:57And we all have memories of Simonetta.

00:01:00We've been expressing them continuously for days and days and days.

00:01:06How many hours, infinite hours I spent outside the doors of these gentlemen

00:01:11to make me listen.

00:01:14My wife and I talked about Simonetta's whole life.

00:01:18All.

00:01:19They never believed me.

00:01:28She is a pure, genuine, curious, true girl.

00:01:34She's a motivated, beautiful girl, but she doesn't really open up completely.

00:01:39It's a bit of that shady look.

00:01:41Simonetta is a very deep girl.

00:01:43But who I am, what my life is, is also tormented.

00:01:49For us, every day is difficult, in short, to resist, to continue.

00:01:56In short, we are very tired.

00:01:59So let this end immediately and let there be real clarity.

00:02:03Because let's find the killer, but let's really find him, that's it.

00:02:09An absolutely innocent person, for goodness sake.

00:02:1635 years have now passed since that 7th August 1990

00:02:21in which a twenty-year-old employee, Simonetta Cesaroni,

00:02:24who came from the suburbs, was killed with 29 stab wounds

00:02:29in an office of the Roma Bene.

00:02:35Why was the girl from Via Poma killed?

00:02:38Why is her killer still faceless?

00:02:42Simonetta was killed, poor thing, in the worst place for her.

00:02:50This is a class crime.

00:02:59Still here, still you, but now, I know who you are.

00:03:29And when you see me, you will remember, I will remember, you will remember.

00:03:49I will remember you, you will remember.

00:04:18A shroud of fog still surrounds the murder of Simonetta Cesaroni.

00:04:22and makes the building on Via Poma, in the Vittoria district of Rome, a place of mystery.

00:04:29Simonetta certainly died in a place where a mechanism could have been triggered.

00:04:38The girl is dead now, of course it shouldn't have happened, but now you help me and I help you.

00:04:47Since December 19, 2024, this building has been back in the spotlight because the preliminary investigations judge recalled

00:04:55to the Rome Prosecutor's Office that the search for the truth cannot and must not stop.

00:05:02Simonetta was killed, poor thing, in the most inappropriate place for her. This is a class crime.

00:05:14The office where Simonetta Cesaroni was killed was the headquarters of the Lazio Committee of the Youth Hostel Association.

00:05:22The victim worked on Via Poma two days a week entering invoices into the computer.

00:05:28An assignment received from Reli, an accounting firm where Simonetta was employed.

00:05:33If a girl from the suburbs died in the suburbs, the matter was done, she was found guilty, etc.

00:05:44But having died there in a place like that, at a certain point a truly cruel calculation prevailed.

00:05:54very cynical.

00:05:55That is, the girl is dead now, we don't bring her back to life, we save what can be saved.

00:06:01And there, what could be saved was difficult because they were careers, they were money, they were power.

00:06:08The alarm was raised at 8pm when Simonetta didn't return home.

00:06:12One of the many oddities of this story is that at first Salvatore Volponi, the victim's employer,

00:06:18He even denies knowing the address of the office where Simonetta worked, causing the crime to be discovered only later.

00:06:25late evening.

00:06:27We are back to a full-scale investigation because the judge, in an order of over 50 pages, has demonstrated that

00:06:33to take a very courageous step.

00:06:36Nothing was overlooked and nothing was left to chance. It is truly a historic ordinance from this perspective.

00:06:45The investigation is punctuated by a long series of errors, expert reports, and findings that were forgotten, traced, and then set aside again.

00:06:54Tracks gone nowhere.

00:06:56There is no certainty even about what type of cutting weapon killed Simonetta.

00:07:02Doubts and questions that could have only one explanation.

00:07:06Red herrings.

00:07:09The ordinance also refers to the involvement of the powerful and the secret services. In what sense?

00:07:16That was a territory and an era in which the strong powers had no other influence than the

00:07:24'murder of poor Simonetta.

00:07:25Tangentopoli would soon erupt, with professionals, politicians, businesspeople, and institutions colluding.

00:07:35And in that star, alas, there were professionals, entrepreneurs and institutions.

00:07:41So this lead that the judge has is also a lead that will certainly have to be investigated further.

00:07:49The greatest responsibility certainly lies with the investigators of the time, that is, the first ones who dealt with the

00:07:59crime.

00:07:59Because they fell in love with one track and by falling in love with one track they abandoned all the others.

00:08:07Initially, the lead was that of goalkeeper Pietrino Vanacore, who became an icon of this sensational legal case.

00:08:15My conscience is clear and so I always turned to him, the omnipotent, to strike the real culprit, so

00:08:25to exonerate me from this infamy.

00:08:29Then, the one to end up in the spotlight was Federico Valle, grandson of the man who had designed the buildings on Via Poma

00:08:37and built.

00:08:39A scar is noticed on Federico's arm, but it has nothing to do with a wound.

00:08:45of cutting weapon.

00:08:47The DNA test then definitively exonerates the young Valle.

00:08:52Finally, Raniero Busco, Simonetta's boyfriend at the time of the murder, was trapped in the pillory for three long degrees of judgment.

00:09:02Cesaroni.

00:09:03In the name of the Italian people, the Third Assize Court of Rome declares Busco Raniero guilty of the crime attributed to him.

00:09:10and with mitigating circumstances equivalent to the contested aggravating circumstance, sentences him to 24 years of imprisonment.

00:09:27He was the victim of a sensational miscarriage of justice, which was later repaired on appeal and castration, with a definitive solution.

00:09:38There is also another responsibility and it is a collective responsibility.

00:09:43It's a responsibility that involves many people who know a little bit of the truth, but have chosen not to tell it.

00:09:57Igor Patruno is a journalist and writer who has dedicated half of his life to the tragedy of Simonetta Cesaroni and her family.

00:10:03his life.

00:10:06It can be said that he is an indirect witness to the crime in Via Poma because he knows the documents of the investigation better.

00:10:12than anyone else.

00:10:14After 34 years, the motive for this murder is still unknown or no one has been able to indicate it,

00:10:25Well, I'd say there have been countless mistakes.

00:10:29And this is not a perfect crime.

00:10:32Whoever killed also made mistakes.

00:10:36Even Emilio Radice, for years one of the most accurate chroniclers of the Roman mysteries,

00:10:41he is an indirect witness to the murder of Simonetta Cesaroni.

00:10:45He arrives in Via Poma a few hours after the discovery of the body

00:10:49and after all these years he remembers with precision the many oddities surrounding this case.

00:10:56The news began to live at night.

00:10:59I was warned to go to the place early in the morning.

00:11:04and the thing that struck me is that even though it was a case discovered at 11.30 in the evening

00:11:12Before,

00:11:13already outlined in its complexity, even in its delicacy,

00:11:17given the context, the neighborhood, very well inhabited by magistrates, lawyers,

00:11:24I expected to find great entertainment and instead I found none.

00:11:29That is, at least a steward, a patrol car, nothing?

00:11:32Nothing, nothing, nothing, to the point that I ask myself, did it really happen here?

00:11:37The building in Via Poma is the symbolic place of this still unsolved murder,

00:11:41not only because the Pietrino Vanacore neighborhood worked and lived here,

00:11:45the first among the suspects,

00:11:46but why in this large complex made up of three buildings,

00:11:49typical example of rationalist architecture,

00:11:52in addition to condominiums and important tenants,

00:11:55there were also apartments linked to the secret services.

00:11:59There instead the first of a series of strange things happened to me.

00:12:05which have characterized this case since day one.

00:12:10I was looking at this building, there were closed gates,

00:12:13It was August so obviously some people were on holiday,

00:12:17the gate opened and an elderly gentleman came out, quickly,

00:12:24and there I met one of the characters from the detective story,

00:12:27this mystery of this case, which I will not name now,

00:12:32Do you know if there was a murder in the building here?

00:12:36and what does this guy want, leave me alone?

00:12:41While I was talking to this person,

00:12:43I noticed that he had a big stain,

00:12:47a lentil of blood on the lens of the glasses.

00:12:50I went to the police station and told the relevant people.

00:12:54The answers were very unorthodox.

00:12:59Those are good people, when I mentioned the name,

00:13:01who was he?

00:13:02Those are good people,

00:13:03which is not a criminological explanation.

00:13:06The second response was the investigation,

00:13:09leave them to us,

00:13:11which is also a pretty good explanation.

00:13:14Then the third one was he will have done it while shaving.

00:13:19The suspicious circumstance which however is not actually collected.

00:13:22It was collected much later,

00:13:25when it came to the attention of investigators

00:13:31the so-called Valle track,

00:13:32that is, Federico Valle as the possible perpetrator of the murder,

00:13:36and the PM, Pietro Catalani, of the case,

00:13:42he called me and asked me to put it on record.

00:13:48This crime is difficult to solve,

00:13:51not only because there is no precise motive,

00:13:53as we will clarify,

00:13:54but also because it lends itself to many little puzzles.

00:13:59Is this the front you're pointing to?

00:14:01The front on Via Poma.

00:14:03This corner one is the window of the room

00:14:05where Simonetta will be found murdered.

00:14:08The murder apartment is on the third floor of Staircase B.

00:14:12The room where the body was found

00:14:14It overlooks the entrance gate on Via Poma.

00:14:17It is possible that no one that afternoon,

00:14:21in that dying August afternoon

00:14:24in a somewhat empty Rome,

00:14:25did you hear those screams?

00:14:28Is it possible that no one heard them?

00:14:30This is the question that the investigators asked themselves,

00:14:33what do we do, what do we send you?

00:14:34And if there's anyone listening

00:14:37that he heard those screams,

00:14:39why doesn't he call?

00:14:42Now where was Simonetta Cesaroni killed?

00:14:44there is a holiday home

00:14:46with a giant heart

00:14:47right where the body was found.

00:14:51At the time it was one of the AIAG headquarters,

00:14:53the Youth Hostel Association,

00:14:55and Simonetta Cesaroni managed the accounting on the computer.

00:15:00Here, this is the first one of the 7th.

00:15:02On August 7th there is the famous Marinelli invoice.

00:15:06This is the first invoice she enters that day.

00:15:09That's right, in number 252.

00:15:11Then there is the number 253,

00:15:13that Mrs. Petrillo,

00:15:16with Operation Lugno,

00:15:17She's the one who did the cleaning.

00:15:19Dario Ballabio knows the desktop computer well

00:15:22that Simonetta used

00:15:24until a few minutes before she was killed.

00:15:28In 1995 he analyzed it on behalf of the prosecution,

00:15:32because he was one of the inventors of this machine.

00:15:36What you see is exactly

00:15:38what appeared on the terminal

00:15:40while Simonetta Cesaroni was working.

00:15:43The computer did not have a backup battery,

00:15:45so as soon as it turns on it asks for the date and time.

00:15:49Then, a minute or two later,

00:15:51he wrote menu,

00:15:52the application starts,

00:15:54a file is generated,

00:15:55It's 4:37 PM, August 7th.

00:15:57And this tells us with certainty

00:16:00who started working at that moment.

00:16:06The accounting register,

00:16:08a fiscally valid document

00:16:09where the order of the scriptures

00:16:11it can't be correct,

00:16:12tells us exactly

00:16:14what Simonetta did on the computer.

00:16:16Let's take into account that he will have put

00:16:1816.37,

00:16:19it will have taken him 5 minutes

00:16:21or a little more to make each invoice.

00:16:23At this point print,

00:16:24as long as he was printing he couldn't work.

00:16:27At this point we arrive around 17,

00:16:29roughly speaking, it can no longer go on.

00:16:33ignore a code

00:16:35and when he presses the ok button, save,

00:16:39and a field starts flashing,

00:16:41he says look, it's not possible,

00:16:44there's a problem.

00:16:46At this point Ballabio's reconstruction

00:16:49it fits perfectly

00:16:51with the testimony of Luigina Berrettini

00:16:53who helps Simonetta on the phone

00:16:55to get on with the work

00:16:56replacing a hostel code

00:16:59with that of another.

00:17:01Pretend it's out of Italian

00:17:03and account with the non-italic code.

00:17:06Of course this doesn't solve the problem,

00:17:08but it bypasses it.

00:17:11Start time set

00:17:12of the activity at the terminal,

00:17:14Ballabio also confirmed

00:17:15than on the computer

00:17:16only Simonetta worked,

00:17:18because he used a modality

00:17:20of invoice transcription

00:17:21that was his alone.

00:17:23For example,

00:17:24Simonetta for overnight stays

00:17:25he wrote 100% of the time

00:17:27per night followed by a dot.

00:17:31Based on Ballabio's reconstruction

00:17:34it seems very unlikely

00:17:35that Simonetta was killed

00:17:37before 5.30pm.

00:17:39We can rebuild

00:17:41with excellent approximation

00:17:42to those who have now stopped working.

00:17:44So it can be ascertained

00:17:46the time of the crime

00:17:47better than I did

00:17:48the coroner

00:17:49who didn't have a thermometer

00:17:50or didn't use it.

00:17:54One of the first problems

00:17:55that the investigators

00:17:56they found themselves facing each other

00:17:57it's right in the room

00:17:58where it was found

00:17:59Simonetta's body,

00:18:00which is not that

00:18:01where he was working.

00:18:04But this too

00:18:05it won't be a coincidence,

00:18:07it wasn't his room.

00:18:10Anna Rosa Porfilio

00:18:11she is a psychotherapist

00:18:12who works in the judicial field.

00:18:14We tried with her

00:18:16to trace the personalities

00:18:17of the main protagonists

00:18:18of this yellow,

00:18:19the murderer and his victim.

00:18:22One thing that struck me

00:18:23just a relaxed face.

00:18:28He didn't have,

00:18:29it wasn't a tense face

00:18:30from fear

00:18:32or from attention.

00:18:34So I think there was

00:18:35a relational atmosphere

00:18:37sexually oriented

00:18:38that she knew.

00:18:43Obviously a person

00:18:44we said

00:18:45transparent life,

00:18:47reliable,

00:18:48serious,

00:18:48No?

00:18:49And he knows how to recognize the border.

00:18:51she felt

00:18:52a little deceived,

00:18:53that is, something went beyond.

00:18:56The probable weapon

00:18:57of the crime

00:18:58he was in another room.

00:18:59The killer perhaps

00:19:00he cleaned himself

00:19:01with the same clothes

00:19:02of the victim

00:19:02in the bathroom

00:19:04and then

00:19:04he took them away.

00:19:05Someone

00:19:06he threatened her

00:19:07for the phone

00:19:07saying that it was

00:19:08a beautiful girl

00:19:09and that's it,

00:19:10because if she

00:19:10he had told me

00:19:11a month before

00:19:12threatened

00:19:13the phone

00:19:13threatened

00:19:14he told him

00:19:14who was a beautiful girl

00:19:15no no no

00:19:17annoying

00:19:18yes yes

00:19:22the dynamics are clear

00:19:24it's clear

00:19:24the zero point

00:19:26we call it that

00:19:27and it's clear

00:19:28at this point

00:19:29what was it

00:19:29the final act

00:19:31and the leak

00:19:32from the scene

00:19:33of the author

00:19:33of the facts

00:19:37to understand better

00:19:38whatever it may be

00:19:39was the dynamic

00:19:40of the murder

00:19:41by Simonetta

00:19:41Cesaroni

00:19:42let's go to Varese

00:19:43where he works

00:19:44Franco Posa

00:19:44a doctor

00:19:45and criminologist

00:19:46that how they do it

00:19:47the coroners

00:19:48in law

00:19:48Anglo-Saxon

00:19:49investigate the events

00:19:51based on the tracks

00:19:51found on the corpse

00:19:53to do it

00:19:54made in gel

00:19:55a perfect copy

00:19:57of the bust

00:19:57by Simonetta

00:20:01the poor victim

00:20:03he has a noticeable hematoma

00:20:05in the temporal region

00:20:07right-wing

00:20:08given by the fact

00:20:10that the temporalis muscle

00:20:13he was bruised

00:20:15and torn

00:20:16so this impact

00:20:19it was extremely violent

00:20:21a sudden attack

00:20:24violent

00:20:25determined

00:20:26probably

00:20:27from a reaction

00:20:28unexpected

00:20:29by Simonetta

00:20:29that he didn't have

00:20:30not even time

00:20:31to cry for help

00:20:32that's why

00:20:33the appeal

00:20:34by Corrado Augias

00:20:35historic presenter

00:20:36of yellow telephone

00:20:37remained

00:20:38unanswered

00:20:41the force impressed

00:20:43on the temporal region

00:20:45the laceration

00:20:46of the muscle

00:20:46it is evidently

00:20:49a good reason

00:20:50to have

00:20:51stunned

00:20:52the poor victim

00:20:54that at that point

00:20:55fall to the ground

00:20:57she was attacked

00:20:58frontally

00:21:03and then

00:21:04let's try to understand

00:21:05who attacked

00:21:06Simonetta

00:21:06Which

00:21:07his personality

00:21:09the girl

00:21:10he knew well

00:21:11the murderer

00:21:11enough to open

00:21:12the door

00:21:13or

00:21:14he was a person

00:21:14who had the keys

00:21:15of the office

00:21:16and therefore belonged

00:21:17to the work environment

00:21:18by Simonetta

00:21:19questions

00:21:20important

00:21:21power plants

00:21:21in the investigation

00:21:22one fact is certain

00:21:23that brutality

00:21:24of the murderer

00:21:25highlights

00:21:26a personality

00:21:27deeply

00:21:28and seriously ill

00:21:31questions

00:21:31that 35 years later

00:21:33they don't have yet

00:21:34found an answer

00:21:35in my imagination

00:21:37it can be a person

00:21:37and not too young

00:21:39because it makes sense

00:21:40of safety

00:21:42so a person

00:21:43skilled with relationships

00:21:45skilled with the feminine

00:21:46a self-confident person

00:21:48I feel like saying

00:21:50arrogant

00:21:51strong

00:21:54masochist

00:21:55sactic

00:21:56for what then

00:21:57we observed

00:21:59it's something very cruel

00:22:01it's like he didn't have us

00:22:02a remorse

00:22:03a sense

00:22:04of consciousness

00:22:05falls to the ground

00:22:07the first shots

00:22:09I am probably

00:22:11the one above

00:22:12the nasal pyramid

00:22:13and inside the orbit

00:22:15after which

00:22:16there is a change

00:22:18of position

00:22:19going towards

00:22:20the pelvis

00:22:21and the lower limbs

00:22:23reason why

00:22:24the triplets are dislocated

00:22:26from the area

00:22:28laterocervical

00:22:29from the area

00:22:31what's there

00:22:31at the start

00:22:32of the sternum

00:22:33and then below

00:22:35the sternum

00:22:36then on the abdomen

00:22:37all triplets

00:22:39all triplets

00:22:40then go down

00:22:41in the public region

00:22:43and in the private parts

00:22:45pierced

00:22:46always with triplets

00:22:49the scientific photos

00:22:51they deliver to us

00:22:52a crime scene

00:22:53which seems artificial

00:22:55everything is in order

00:22:57even the chairs

00:22:58they are in their place

00:22:59and there are no blood spatters

00:23:01nor on the walls

00:23:03nor on the furniture

00:23:05a staging

00:23:07the lace bodice

00:23:09lying down to cover

00:23:10part of the breast

00:23:11after the murder

00:23:13a personality

00:23:15as it came

00:23:16thinking precisely

00:23:17that the blows

00:23:18they went from above

00:23:18downwards

00:23:19an organized thought

00:23:21so he has his own strategy

00:23:24Surely

00:23:25breast coverage

00:23:26the breast

00:23:28it is the origin of nourishment

00:23:29of affectivity

00:23:30of goodness

00:23:32and so surely

00:23:34the breast

00:23:36it's a more modest look

00:23:38we can say

00:23:39a bit like this

00:23:39while I look at it

00:23:41of intimacy

00:23:42of the rag

00:23:43that is, the private parts

00:23:44open

00:23:45leave it like this

00:23:46Surely

00:23:47it is the place instead

00:23:48where there is reproduction

00:23:49but also of the meaning

00:23:50of pleasure

00:23:52it's like a little bit

00:23:53to debase a little

00:23:54of meaning

00:23:54also feminine

00:23:57the subject

00:23:58who attacked

00:23:58the poor victim

00:23:59he had the intention

00:24:01to bring

00:24:03a great suffering

00:24:05to the victim

00:24:06because it wasn't hit

00:24:08in a vital area

00:24:09in the immediate future

00:24:11but death

00:24:12it has arrived

00:24:13coming soon

00:24:14medium distance

00:24:17this helps

00:24:19to understand

00:24:20the relationship

00:24:21that maybe

00:24:22there was

00:24:22between the victim

00:24:24and the author

00:24:25of the fact

00:24:29the feature

00:24:30of violence

00:24:31it's a

00:24:31I am an army

00:24:33a power

00:24:33on the other

00:24:37which traits

00:24:38they hit her

00:24:40of this murder?

00:24:42Surely

00:24:42the ferocity

00:24:43anger

00:24:43hate

00:24:44and that

00:24:45he was almost excited

00:24:47from acting

00:24:49from inferring

00:24:50on the body

00:24:53beyond

00:24:53of the apparent order

00:24:54in which it is presented

00:24:55the room

00:24:56the scene

00:24:57it is of a violence

00:24:58unheard of

00:24:58Simonetta's body

00:25:00pierced 29 times

00:25:01from a cutting weapon

00:25:02he is without clothes

00:25:04except the socks

00:25:05although

00:25:06it is read

00:25:06on the effect

00:25:06of audopsia

00:25:07there are no traces

00:25:08of sexual intercourse

00:25:10to think that

00:25:11one can try

00:25:12the pleasure

00:25:12precisely because

00:25:13there are these feelings

00:25:14of hate

00:25:15of anger

00:25:15of resentment

00:25:20going back to the photos

00:25:21of the crime scene

00:25:22there is one

00:25:23which is being questioned

00:25:24forever

00:25:24Simonetta's shoes

00:25:26huddled in a corner

00:25:28but definitely

00:25:29it concerns her

00:25:30the order

00:25:31but it has a meaning

00:25:32the shoes left there

00:25:34Which?

00:25:35Surely

00:25:35the offender

00:25:36he took away

00:25:36all that

00:25:37That

00:25:38he could fear

00:25:39to leave a mark

00:25:44let's see some fixed points

00:25:45a room

00:25:46too clean

00:25:47and too tidy

00:25:48to be

00:25:48the scene

00:25:49of a massacre

00:25:49on the floor

00:25:51they are not here

00:25:51the three liters of blood

00:25:53who lost

00:25:53Simonetta

00:25:54before dying

00:25:54and with the exception of

00:25:56for the bodice

00:25:56of lace

00:25:57lying on the corpse

00:25:58they are missing

00:25:59all his clothes

00:26:00and above all

00:26:01the weapon is missing

00:26:02of the crime

00:26:03that for 35 years

00:26:05is considered

00:26:05to be

00:26:06this paper cutter

00:26:07the paper cutter

00:26:09taken into consideration

00:26:12why present

00:26:13on the scene

00:26:14of the crime

00:26:14corresponds

00:26:15to this faithful one

00:26:17reproduction

00:26:17placed inside

00:26:19of the wounds

00:26:20reproduced

00:26:21it is not compatible

00:26:23in terms

00:26:24of measure

00:26:25with wounds

00:26:27that we have

00:26:27studied

00:26:28but it is not compatible

00:26:29not for a question

00:26:31of millimeters

00:26:33or something

00:26:34Less

00:26:35but for measures

00:26:36very abundant

00:26:386.8mm

00:26:40we are one centimeter and three

00:26:45but it doesn't end here

00:26:47not just the murder weapon

00:26:49could be

00:26:50very different

00:26:51from that to the documents

00:26:52but thanks to the reconstruction

00:26:53scientific

00:26:54by Professor Posa

00:26:55you could get there

00:26:57to better define

00:26:58dynamics

00:26:58and conduct

00:26:59murderer

00:27:00of the murderer

00:27:01by Simonetta Cesaroni

00:27:04the mapping

00:27:05it is an element

00:27:06important

00:27:07very important

00:27:10which allows us

00:27:11to understand

00:27:12the speed

00:27:13of the violent act

00:27:14the wounds

00:27:16they are gone

00:27:16well beyond

00:27:17to the wounds

00:27:18necessary

00:27:19to provoke

00:27:20death

00:27:20of the poor victim

00:27:21when we identify

00:27:23a series

00:27:24of triplets

00:27:25we know that

00:27:26this corresponds

00:27:27at speed

00:27:28of the act

00:27:29and fierceness

00:27:31and absolutely

00:27:34a compulsiveness

00:27:36in the whole gesture

00:27:37that has been done

00:27:41I think that

00:27:42Simonetta

00:27:43it was

00:27:44killed

00:27:45from a territorial

00:27:46Certainly

00:27:47he had with him

00:27:49some clothes

00:27:51he took away

00:27:51the leggings

00:27:52and took it away

00:27:53a jacket

00:27:54that Simonetta

00:27:55I had

00:27:56and probably

00:27:57he had hands

00:27:59dirty

00:28:00very dirty

00:28:01then there is the blood

00:28:03that does not belong

00:28:04to Simonetta

00:28:05this had

00:28:06even a wound

00:28:07how did he do it?

00:28:08to disappear

00:28:09into nothingness

00:28:13to answer

00:28:14to this question

00:28:14August 10th

00:28:15of 1990

00:28:16just

00:28:17three days

00:28:18from death

00:28:18by Simonetta

00:28:19the investigators

00:28:20they committed

00:28:20the first

00:28:21of the many mistakes

00:28:22in the course

00:28:22of this investigation

00:28:23at 2pm

00:28:24about

00:28:25the team

00:28:25mobile

00:28:25he performed

00:28:26a stop

00:28:26judicial

00:28:27for murder

00:28:28voluntary

00:28:28was

00:28:29stopped

00:28:29the goalkeeper

00:28:30of the building

00:28:31where it happened

00:28:31the crime

00:28:32is called

00:28:33Pietrino

00:28:33Vanacore

00:28:34two

00:28:34the elements

00:28:35that they have

00:28:36attracted

00:28:36serious suspicions

00:28:37on the goalkeeper

00:28:38the first

00:28:39he can't explain

00:28:40what he did

00:28:41between 5:30 pm

00:28:42and 6.30pm

00:28:43and the time

00:28:44where it happened

00:28:45the crime

00:28:45the second element

00:28:46is that they were

00:28:47found some sketches

00:28:48which would seem

00:28:49to be of blood

00:28:50on one of his suits

00:28:52of work

00:28:55and here it is right away

00:28:56falling in love

00:28:57of a track

00:28:59and the track

00:29:00it's Vanacore

00:29:01and there it begins

00:29:03a story

00:29:03wrong

00:29:04and this

00:29:06has determined

00:29:07Then

00:29:07a series

00:29:08of errors

00:29:08cascading

00:29:11another memory

00:29:12by Emilio Radice

00:29:13now frozen

00:29:14in the minutes

00:29:15of the investigators

00:29:15who work

00:29:16to this new one

00:29:17investigation phase

00:29:18refers to

00:29:19to the day when

00:29:19the Court

00:29:20of Freedom

00:29:21release

00:29:21the goalkeeper

00:29:22of Via Poma

00:29:23when one

00:29:24of the magistrates

00:29:24involved

00:29:25in the investigation

00:29:26he does to the journalist

00:29:27an extraordinary

00:29:28confidence

00:29:30Vanacore

00:29:31will definitely come

00:29:32released from prison

00:29:33there is no evidence

00:29:34against him

00:29:35but then

00:29:36why did you arrest her?

00:29:37and him?

00:29:38there was

00:29:38His Excellency

00:29:40who called

00:29:40I told him

00:29:41excellence

00:29:42there is not only evidence

00:29:43to arrest

00:29:44and he answered me

00:29:46no no no

00:29:46you have to arrest him

00:29:48you have to arrest him

00:29:49because I had

00:29:50oppression me too

00:29:51from above

00:29:53the names of the two magistrates

00:29:54they are on file

00:29:55of the investigation

00:29:56but like many others

00:29:57protagonists

00:29:57of this story

00:29:58them too

00:29:59I am now

00:30:01deceased

00:30:01Pietrino Vanacore

00:30:02take off your clothes

00:30:03of the monster

00:30:04that maybe

00:30:05too hastily

00:30:06they had been given to him

00:30:07sewn on

00:30:08for the Court

00:30:09of Freedom

00:30:09they are not here

00:30:10sufficient clues

00:30:11to accuse him

00:30:12of the murder

00:30:13by Simonetta

00:30:13Cesaroni

00:30:14but in this whole affair

00:30:16I declare

00:30:16there is very little

00:30:17from the very beginning

00:30:18a perfect yellow

00:30:19where differently

00:30:20from what they claim

00:30:22the masters of the genre

00:30:23many clues

00:30:24they don't do a test

00:30:26about Pietrino Vanacore

00:30:28some things have been said

00:30:28of all colors

00:30:29Certainly

00:30:30Pietrino Vanacore

00:30:31he lied

00:30:32he lied

00:30:33among other things

00:30:34on his alibi

00:30:35it can be understandable

00:30:36that the investigators

00:30:39they thought of him

00:30:40well yes

00:30:41Certain

00:30:42it can be understandable

00:30:43because they check

00:30:44immediately

00:30:45who is lying

00:30:46but

00:30:46Then

00:30:47the objective data

00:30:49is that he

00:30:51on me

00:30:51he didn't have

00:30:52Nothing

00:30:53probably

00:30:55taken

00:30:56from fear

00:30:57he tried

00:30:58to invade something

00:31:00and yet

00:31:01he found himself

00:31:03more and more

00:31:04in

00:31:04a vortex

00:31:06maybe he

00:31:07he was afraid

00:31:08to lose one's job

00:31:10the vortex

00:31:11it starts to screw up

00:31:12on himself

00:31:13a few hours later

00:31:14the murder

00:31:14when Paul

00:31:15Cesaroni

00:31:16in search

00:31:17of his sister

00:31:17it is located in front

00:31:19to obstructionism

00:31:19by Giuseppa De Luca

00:31:20the doorman's wife

00:31:21who does everything

00:31:22to slow down

00:31:23he discovered it

00:31:24of the corpse

00:31:25she's also a lady

00:31:26she is serene

00:31:27when there is conscience

00:31:28okay

00:31:28most serene

00:31:30she has a conscience

00:31:31okay

00:31:31come come come come

00:31:32come come

00:31:32they pass a little

00:31:34of minutes

00:31:34why the door

00:31:35he doesn't want to

00:31:37open

00:31:39the office

00:31:40On the contrary

00:31:40he doesn't say at all

00:31:41Nothing

00:31:42he says that

00:31:42it's too late now

00:31:44come back tomorrow morning

00:31:45then finally

00:31:47he seems to be convinced

00:31:49but first

00:31:50that the door

00:31:51bait

00:31:51accompanied

00:31:52from his son Mario

00:31:54they pass approximately

00:31:56ten minutes

00:31:57and this is another one

00:31:58singular element

00:31:59when she took

00:32:01the keys

00:32:02from the hands

00:32:03of the door

00:32:03have been delivered

00:32:04spontaneously

00:32:05or had to

00:32:07take them with

00:32:08a certain strength

00:32:10No

00:32:10they have not been

00:32:11delivered

00:32:12spontaneously

00:32:13at the moment

00:32:14because the lady

00:32:14he kept asking

00:32:15What

00:32:16happened

00:32:17what was it all about?

00:32:18that confusion

00:32:19actually

00:32:21I

00:32:21I had to

00:32:22I take it

00:32:23the keys

00:32:24from his hands

00:32:27while the wife

00:32:28with a behavior

00:32:29that the investigators

00:32:30they define

00:32:31misunderstanding

00:32:32hinders

00:32:32the police too

00:32:34Pietrino Vanacore

00:32:35which was located

00:32:36on the top floor

00:32:36of the palace

00:32:37at home

00:32:37by the architect Valle

00:32:39Despite

00:32:40the commotion

00:32:40appears

00:32:41on the scene

00:32:42a long time

00:32:43After

00:32:44he had

00:32:45an alibi

00:32:47Meaning what

00:32:47it had been

00:32:48from the hardware store

00:32:49not only

00:32:50but there was

00:32:51twice

00:32:51and he never said it

00:32:53that there was

00:32:54twice

00:32:54to understand

00:32:56that there had been

00:32:57twice

00:32:57we have to wait

00:32:58his memorial

00:33:01nevertheless

00:33:01to defend

00:33:02Pietrino Vanacore

00:33:03there were two heavyweights

00:33:04of the Rome forum

00:33:05the first to be

00:33:06appointed

00:33:07it was Antonio De Vita

00:33:08then he took the field

00:33:09Vittorio Virga

00:33:10at the time

00:33:11president

00:33:11of the Roman lawyers

00:33:14who paid him

00:33:15these lawyers

00:33:17Meaning what

00:33:17it would weigh

00:33:18on the shoulders

00:33:18of each of us

00:33:20a

00:33:21two

00:33:22really

00:33:22damn!

00:33:24and he arrived

00:33:24one moment

00:33:25it was said

00:33:26that it was necessary

00:33:27lend a hand

00:33:28to the goalkeeper

00:33:29but she

00:33:30he was an innocent man

00:33:31it was for the goalkeeper

00:33:32Vanacore

00:33:32Yes

00:33:32I was one of those

00:33:33that they thought

00:33:34that he was innocent

00:33:35he passed on what

00:33:36this certainty

00:33:37Well

00:33:38it's not a certainty

00:33:39he had said

00:33:39I thought

00:33:40from the fact that

00:33:41knowing him

00:33:42it was an impression

00:33:44my

00:33:44of almost all condominiums

00:33:48to tell

00:33:49of this motion

00:33:50of solidarity

00:33:51of the condominiums

00:33:52of Via Poma

00:33:53towards

00:33:53by Pietrino Vanacore

00:33:54he is the lawyer

00:33:55Luigi Mannucci

00:33:56that at the time

00:33:57he had his own studio

00:33:58professional

00:33:59in Scale B

00:34:00right on the third floor

00:34:02next to the office

00:34:03by Simonetta

00:34:04a collection was made

00:34:06who wanted

00:34:07he gave him something

00:34:08and she had no doubts

00:34:10precisely

00:34:10at the time

00:34:12I gave

00:34:14I was among those

00:34:15which gave

00:34:16some money

00:34:16so he had no doubts

00:34:17he was letting off steam

00:34:19he told me

00:34:21who had been arrested

00:34:24with this suit

00:34:25he suffered from hemorrhoids

00:34:27what they told him

00:34:28that was dirty

00:34:29even of blood

00:34:30he asked to do the tests

00:34:32he did them to her

00:34:32not immediately

00:34:34then when they made them

00:34:35it emerged that the blood

00:34:37it was his

00:34:37March 12, 2010

00:34:40Vanacore

00:34:41should have

00:34:42testify in Rome

00:34:43in the trial against

00:34:44by Raniero Busco

00:34:45but here it is

00:34:46the final twist

00:34:49three days before

00:34:51his body

00:34:51is found

00:34:52lifeless at sea

00:34:53nearby

00:34:54of the cliff

00:34:55of Torre Ovo

00:34:55not far away

00:34:56from Monacizzo

00:34:57the small town

00:34:59where he had retired

00:35:00now retired

00:35:01in the middle

00:35:02of the 90s

00:35:03his mysterious

00:35:05suicide

00:35:05casts a shadow

00:35:07on the whole affair

00:35:08no one will ever know

00:35:09if Pietrino Vanacore

00:35:11unlucky man

00:35:12and faithful

00:35:13he wanted to bring

00:35:14with himself

00:35:14some unspeakable

00:35:16secret

00:35:16they killed him for me

00:35:20by dint of telling her

00:35:22so much

00:35:22many

00:35:23many things

00:35:24desperation

00:35:25she brought herself

00:35:26Vanacore

00:35:27not that it covered

00:35:28someone

00:35:34subsequently

00:35:35they lived

00:35:36a life

00:35:37of hell

00:35:37they let off steam

00:35:38because anyway

00:35:39there were many mythomaniacs

00:35:40who called him

00:35:41continuously

00:35:42saying of

00:35:43meet the same fate

00:35:44we succeed

00:35:45let's come there

00:35:46tonight

00:35:47stay on the roof

00:35:48continuous threats

00:35:49who brought him

00:35:51to resign

00:35:52as a goalkeeper

00:35:53and come back

00:35:54Together

00:35:54to his wife

00:35:55in Puglia

00:35:56and they couldn't anymore

00:35:58hold the weight

00:35:59of this story

00:36:00reopen the case

00:36:02and so be it

00:36:02in quality

00:36:03of witnesses

00:36:04it is possible

00:36:05that he may have had

00:36:06a collapse

00:36:07perhaps suffering from it

00:36:08of depression

00:36:09to have brought it

00:36:10to suicide

00:36:13the last faint hope

00:36:15to solve the mysteries

00:36:16relating to behaviors

00:36:17by Petrino Manacore

00:36:18remains anchored

00:36:19as much as the goalkeeper

00:36:20he confided

00:36:20to his family

00:36:21and to a possible

00:36:23further memorial

00:36:24never delivered

00:36:25to the investigators

00:36:26in the line of investigation

00:36:27just reopened

00:36:28they will be questioned again

00:36:30both the widow

00:36:30that the children

00:36:31especially Mario

00:36:32that that day

00:36:33it was in Via Poma

00:36:34and that in 2024

00:36:35on the basis

00:36:36of his blood type

00:36:37it was indicated

00:36:38from the police

00:36:39like one of many

00:36:41possible assassins

00:36:43my impression

00:36:46is that

00:36:47it is highly unlikely

00:36:49that Mario Manacore

00:36:50committed

00:36:51this crime

00:36:52Why

00:36:52it is not clear

00:36:54whatever it may be

00:36:55was the motive

00:36:57Now

00:36:57an assault

00:36:59that goes off like this

00:37:00suddenly

00:37:01by a person

00:37:03which was just

00:37:04arrived in Rome

00:37:05that he had at home

00:37:07the wife

00:37:08and the daughter

00:37:09it is not clear

00:37:11for what reason

00:37:12Mario Manacore

00:37:13should have

00:37:14commit

00:37:15this murder

00:37:18while concentrating

00:37:19on the bloodstains

00:37:20found on the trousers

00:37:21from Manacore

00:37:22result of a problem

00:37:23of health

00:37:24that had nothing to do with it

00:37:25with the crime

00:37:26after a while

00:37:27are discovered

00:37:28more bloodstains

00:37:30in the elevator

00:37:31in the basement

00:37:32and in the wash houses

00:37:33let's hear what

00:37:34said in 2003

00:37:35the then lawyer

00:37:37of the Cesaroni

00:37:37now deceased

00:37:39they were made

00:37:41every time

00:37:41fragments

00:37:42of investigations

00:37:44now on that

00:37:45now on that other one

00:37:45character

00:37:46without ever

00:37:47a connection

00:37:49global

00:37:50of all

00:37:50the evidence acquired

00:37:52until today

00:37:54the first of all

00:37:55it's the reconstruction

00:37:56the failure to rebuild

00:37:58of the crime

00:37:58go

00:37:59to an inspection

00:38:02precise

00:38:03trying to understand

00:38:04in which place

00:38:06it had happened

00:38:06the crime

00:38:07what had been done

00:38:10at the same time

00:38:11to the crime

00:38:11on the part of the murderer

00:38:13and what had been done

00:38:14in the immediate future

00:38:15since we have

00:38:16Surely

00:38:17the certainty

00:38:17that beyond that moment

00:38:19there have been

00:38:20further activities

00:38:22in that apartment

00:38:26without a punctual

00:38:28reconstruction

00:38:28of the facts

00:38:29there are many

00:38:30details

00:38:30of the scene

00:38:31of the crime

00:38:31who are at risk

00:38:32to finish

00:38:33into oblivion

00:38:34like the find

00:38:35most important

00:38:36harvest

00:38:37in the room

00:38:37where she was killed

00:38:38Simonetta

00:38:40we have

00:38:41a witness

00:38:42fundamental

00:38:43important

00:38:43which is

00:38:44Antonello Barone

00:38:45the boyfriend

00:38:46of the sister

00:38:47by Simonetta

00:38:48Exactly

00:38:49come inside

00:38:50the room

00:38:52near

00:38:53with the lighter

00:38:54the light

00:38:54turn on

00:38:55and the first thing

00:38:56which is located in front

00:38:57is this blood

00:38:59and in fact

00:39:00describes it

00:39:00vivid

00:39:05that stain

00:39:06of blood

00:39:07of the masculine gender

00:39:08at a distance

00:39:0935 years old

00:39:10from the murder

00:39:11it's still

00:39:11found

00:39:12as unknown

00:39:13a

00:39:17Anyway

00:39:17the experts

00:39:18some certainties

00:39:19they reached them

00:39:19the blood type

00:39:21type A

00:39:21as probably

00:39:22that of the blood

00:39:23found on the door

00:39:24it is 5 people

00:39:27in these precious images

00:39:29preserved

00:39:29in the archive

00:39:30of the RAI

00:39:30it is recognized

00:39:31Salvatore Volponi

00:39:32the employer

00:39:33by Simonetta

00:39:34the victim's sister

00:39:36Paola Cesaroni

00:39:37some employees

00:39:38of the AIAG

00:39:38surrounded

00:39:40from the many journalists

00:39:41who were following the case

00:39:42you can see it coming

00:39:43also Pietrino Vanacore

00:39:44what remains

00:39:45with his mouth closed

00:39:46like many other oddities

00:39:48that weigh

00:39:48on the investigations

00:39:49for the murder

00:39:50by Simonetta Cesaroni

00:39:51the collection of these samples

00:39:53it served little purpose

00:39:54because so far

00:39:55a comparison

00:39:55with the blood stain

00:39:56of unknown 1

00:39:57it was not done

00:39:58we have male blood

00:40:03vivid

00:40:03but in the room

00:40:05she was killed

00:40:06a woman

00:40:08and this profile

00:40:10to this day

00:40:10it is unknown

00:40:11unknown means

00:40:12which has not been compared

00:40:14with everything

00:40:14the biological material

00:40:16that was available

00:40:20in the investigation

00:40:20at the time

00:40:21and this maybe

00:40:21it's the most important step

00:40:23so it's a lack

00:40:24if we want

00:40:25or do we want to define serious

00:40:27the right adjective

00:40:28Which?

00:40:28the right adjective

00:40:30is that it was

00:40:30an oversight

00:40:34certainly serious

00:40:36no scientist

00:40:37will ever be able to give her

00:40:38the certainty

00:40:39to solve the case

00:40:41but no scientist

00:40:42will ever be able to

00:40:43exclude them with certainty

00:40:44the possibility

00:40:45that from those findings

00:40:46nothing can be gained

00:40:49if there is a geneticist

00:40:51who has the right credentials

00:40:52to examine

00:40:53biological traces

00:40:54relating to the murder

00:40:55of Via Poma

00:40:56this is Emiliano Giardina

00:40:58why this story

00:40:59he knows many aspects

00:41:01having been a consultant

00:41:02on behalf of Regnero Busco

00:41:03the ex-boyfriend

00:41:05first convicted

00:41:06and then definitively

00:41:07acquitted of the charge

00:41:09that it was him

00:41:10Simonetta's killer

00:41:12Busco Regnero acquits

00:41:21I think it is appropriate

00:41:24to carry out

00:41:25a rigorous one

00:41:26reconnaissance

00:41:27of all the finds

00:41:29of all objects

00:41:31that over the years

00:41:33have remained guarded

00:41:34in the laboratories

00:41:36it's already happened

00:41:37in many processes

00:41:38it happened

00:41:39in the case of Via Poma

00:41:40and I think

00:41:41that it could happen again

00:41:42the probability

00:41:44it's small

00:41:45that they can provide

00:41:46a result

00:41:47but it's not zero

00:41:48here he speaks again

00:41:49a bloodstain

00:41:5034 years later

00:41:51absolutely yes

00:41:52well the DNA

00:41:53we can extrapolate it

00:41:54for example

00:41:55from the mules

00:41:56and then the DNA

00:41:57it is eternal

00:41:58Today

00:41:59to obtain

00:42:00a DNA profile

00:42:02they are enough

00:42:03one, two, three cells

00:42:04at the time

00:42:05they served

00:42:06hundreds

00:42:07of cells

00:42:08Therefore

00:42:09the possibility

00:42:10that something

00:42:11that at the time

00:42:12had not provided

00:42:13result

00:42:14and that today instead

00:42:15can provide it

00:42:16it's quite high

00:42:20without considering

00:42:21the finds

00:42:22found outside

00:42:23of the apartment

00:42:24and staying close

00:42:25at the crime scene

00:42:26in addition to the blood stain

00:42:28found inside

00:42:28of the door

00:42:29there is the bodice

00:42:30by Simonetta

00:42:31and there is also

00:42:31a telephone set

00:42:33which could be

00:42:33very useful

00:42:34to the investigations

00:42:35because the blood

00:42:36which is stained

00:42:37belongs to only one

00:42:38subject

00:42:39it's pure

00:42:40and not mixed

00:42:41with that

00:42:42of the victim

00:42:42in my opinion

00:42:44this

00:42:45it's the track

00:42:47more interesting

00:42:47that we have

00:42:49for example

00:42:49if we that horn

00:42:50if we had it available

00:42:51I see that there

00:42:52there are other stains

00:42:54probably these

00:42:55have been analyzed

00:42:56but we could analyze it

00:42:57in full

00:42:58there are criminal cases

00:43:00as she knows

00:43:00that have been resolved

00:43:01because on a whole sheet

00:43:03I'm thinking for example

00:43:04in the Alberica case

00:43:05Tower Thread

00:43:06an entire sheet

00:43:07a single point

00:43:08had the DNA

00:43:09then of the aggressor

00:43:12science

00:43:13in the criminal process

00:43:14it doesn't open

00:43:15the prison doors

00:43:17turn on a light

00:43:18on the truth

00:43:19the truth

00:43:20then it can become useful

00:43:22to find the culprits

00:43:24but it is not a consequence

00:43:26live

00:43:26necessarily

00:43:29but we are sure

00:43:30that at 35 years old

00:43:31from the murder

00:43:31all the finds

00:43:32they were catalogued

00:43:33and archived correctly

00:43:34in particular

00:43:36the phone

00:43:36it still exists

00:43:37and we are certain

00:43:39that all the traces

00:43:39analyzed by laboratories

00:43:41they are back

00:43:41to the crime evidence office

00:43:42that the findings have made up to now

00:43:44and this is a question

00:43:46to whom we would like

00:43:47knowing how to answer

00:43:48the judicial news

00:43:50tells us that in these archives

00:43:52the confusion

00:43:53reigns supreme

00:43:54the prosecutor's office

00:43:55historically

00:43:56It is known that he has deposits

00:43:58has some places

00:43:59where it keeps

00:44:00finds

00:44:01which have been used

00:44:03which may be useful

00:44:04even for crimes

00:44:05that they have not had

00:44:07the identification

00:44:08of a responsible person

00:44:09and then

00:44:10those objects

00:44:11must be recovered

00:44:13will have to be recovered

00:44:15from the prosecutor's office

00:44:15and that's what we asked for

00:44:20the crime does not solve itself

00:44:23we have to start again

00:44:24an investigation

00:44:26but before starting again

00:44:27an investigation

00:44:28probably

00:44:29it is necessary to do

00:44:30that passage

00:44:32fundamental

00:44:34which is

00:44:34the acquisition

00:44:35of a test

00:44:37scientific

00:44:38That

00:44:39takes us

00:44:40to say

00:44:41if

00:44:42a subject

00:44:43can

00:44:44to be

00:44:45involved

00:44:47in the crime

00:44:48or not

00:44:51on the bloodstains

00:44:53and on the findings

00:44:53the questions

00:44:54they are uncountable

00:44:55the judge

00:44:56for preliminary investigations

00:44:57he listed them

00:44:58one by one

00:44:59ordering the prosecutor

00:45:00a series of new investigations

00:45:02scientific

00:45:03Unfortunately

00:45:03one thing is certain

00:45:04the collection of finds

00:45:06at the crime scene

00:45:07it was very rough

00:45:09on the floor

00:45:11behind the head

00:45:13of poor Simonetta

00:45:14There are

00:45:15lots of drips

00:45:16Unfortunately

00:45:17we don't know

00:45:18Nothing

00:45:19some drips

00:45:21we don't know

00:45:22if they belong

00:45:22if it's blood

00:45:23of the victim

00:45:24if it's blood

00:45:26of who killed

00:45:27we don't know

00:45:27absolutely nothing

00:45:28we only know

00:45:29which then

00:45:29at a certain point

00:45:31who killed

00:45:32most likely

00:45:33he heard

00:45:34the necessity

00:45:35to clean up

00:45:39admitted

00:45:40that all the findings

00:45:41collected

00:45:41are still there

00:45:42available

00:45:43and analyzable

00:45:44it will be necessary

00:45:45to give an explanation

00:45:46even bloody

00:45:47by Simonetta

00:45:48found in the elevator

00:45:49of the palace

00:45:50several days

00:45:51after the crime

00:45:52they were there

00:45:54two lines of blood

00:45:55that were coming down

00:45:56along the glass

00:45:57internal

00:45:59we photographed everything

00:46:00we went too

00:46:01to photograph

00:46:02the trumpet

00:46:02of the elevator

00:46:03where there were

00:46:03of the footprints

00:46:04against the wall

00:46:05In short

00:46:05we photographed everything

00:46:06and then

00:46:07I

00:46:08I called

00:46:09the police

00:46:13cabbage

00:46:14that is, how did they do it?

00:46:16the investigations

00:46:17that is, you don't notice

00:46:19that in the palace

00:46:20where there was

00:46:20a murder

00:46:21in the elevator

00:46:21there was blood

00:46:22but

00:46:23it's very likely

00:46:24In my opinion

00:46:25that the elevator

00:46:26it is used to draw

00:46:27a different dynamic

00:46:28of the crime

00:46:31if you took

00:46:32the elevator

00:46:32it means

00:46:33what you needed

00:46:34for example

00:46:35carry a body

00:46:36from one floor

00:46:37to another

00:46:38eh maybe

00:46:39the elevator is needed

00:46:40because there

00:46:41in the office

00:46:42where he had found himself

00:46:42Simonetta's body

00:46:43everything was clean

00:46:44and there are none

00:46:46traces of their own

00:46:47of blood

00:46:47around

00:46:48this presence

00:46:49of blood

00:46:49within

00:46:50of the elevator

00:46:50complaint

00:46:51a mastery

00:46:52of the scene

00:46:53by

00:46:54of some individuals

00:46:55that have moved

00:46:56in that building

00:46:57a mastery

00:46:59absolute

00:46:59that is, a certainty

00:47:00not to be discovered

00:47:02not to be seen

00:47:04to be able to use

00:47:05the elevator

00:47:06with impunity

00:47:07which should

00:47:09to make you think

00:47:12the data

00:47:14more

00:47:16alarming

00:47:17if we want

00:47:18of this whole affair

00:47:19is that

00:47:2134 years later

00:47:23we don't know

00:47:24Still

00:47:25Who

00:47:27really had

00:47:28the keys

00:47:29and this

00:47:31it's a fact

00:47:32on which

00:47:33maybe you can

00:47:34to try

00:47:35to place you

00:47:36a remedy

00:47:37we have to

00:47:38keep in mind

00:47:38that inside

00:47:38that office

00:47:39it's passed

00:47:40so many people

00:47:41there have been

00:47:42people who did

00:47:43the cleaning

00:47:44there have been some

00:47:45so many

00:47:46and all these people

00:47:47they had the keys

00:47:52they come out

00:47:53Surely

00:47:54others

00:47:5520 names

00:47:55Here you are

00:47:56At that time

00:47:56these

00:47:5820 names

00:47:59about

00:48:00we want to ascertain

00:48:01how things are

00:48:02they were really

00:48:03if they are still alive

00:48:05Why

00:48:05he doesn't get it

00:48:06DNA

00:48:07it's a thing

00:48:09legitimate

00:48:13remember

00:48:13the interview

00:48:14of the lawyer

00:48:14of the family

00:48:15Cesaroni

00:48:16when he said

00:48:16that in the cards

00:48:17of the investigation

00:48:17he never found

00:48:18a punctual one

00:48:19reconstruction

00:48:20of the facts

00:48:20the problem

00:48:22it doesn't concern

00:48:22just like

00:48:23and where

00:48:24it happened

00:48:24the murder

00:48:25but also

00:48:26the escape route

00:48:26of the murderer

00:48:27which to this day

00:48:28It remains a mystery

00:48:29I tried

00:48:30to go out

00:48:30from Via Poma

00:48:31for the first time

00:48:32I can

00:48:32we can see

00:48:34these images

00:48:36only

00:48:36an instant

00:48:40we have

00:48:43dramatized

00:48:44the step

00:48:44frantic

00:48:45which probably

00:48:47had to have

00:48:47the killer

00:48:49if he had used

00:48:52this

00:48:53escape route

00:49:01it's the way

00:49:02that I found

00:49:03without passing

00:49:04evidently

00:49:05from the main exit

00:49:06from the entrance

00:49:07principal

00:49:07of Via Poma

00:49:10in one afternoon

00:49:13of the end

00:49:14of September

00:49:15so to almost

00:49:15two months

00:49:18from the murder

00:49:20of Via Poma

00:49:38as you will notice

00:49:39I have not met

00:49:40absolutely

00:49:40Nobody

00:49:41on my way

00:49:42and in a few moments

00:49:43you will be able to see

00:49:44we were able to

00:49:45go out

00:49:48on another street

00:49:49which is not via Poma

00:49:50without having precisely

00:49:51encountered

00:49:51living soul

00:49:52on another street

00:50:18it was unfounded

00:50:20for me the case

00:50:21is dead

00:50:22precisely for this reason

00:50:23Meaning what

00:50:23because it was

00:50:25so polluted

00:50:27from a story

00:50:28in the background

00:50:29underground

00:50:30from pressure

00:50:31interventions

00:50:35which in my opinion

00:50:37by the light of the nose

00:50:38it can be said

00:50:39that there was a story

00:50:41that has never been told

00:50:43starring

00:50:44that have never been

00:50:46brought into focus

00:50:47and what they did

00:50:48become

00:50:49this yellow

00:50:50the biggest yellow

00:50:51Italian

00:50:57about stories

00:50:58in the background

00:50:59it must be remembered

00:50:59the presence

00:51:00in the events

00:51:01of Via Poma

00:51:01of characters

00:51:02linked to the SIS

00:51:02of the secret services

00:51:04interiors

00:51:04the most famous

00:51:05to the chronicles

00:51:06It's Roland Wöller

00:51:07the so-called

00:51:08super witness

00:51:09who accused

00:51:09Federico Valle

00:51:10to be

00:51:10the killer

00:51:11by Simonetta Cesaroni

00:51:12among the investigators

00:51:13his credibility

00:51:14it was not unanimous

00:51:18a manager

00:51:20of the police

00:51:20of the police headquarters

00:51:21of Rome

00:51:22he tells me

00:51:23you want to find it

00:51:26the super witness

00:51:28Look

00:51:29that the magistrate

00:51:31so you don't find out

00:51:32so you don't see it

00:51:34he summoned him

00:51:35at

00:51:37the office

00:51:38of the prosecution

00:51:38that is

00:51:39in

00:51:40the court

00:51:41civil

00:51:41of Rome

00:51:42I go

00:51:44and I meet him

00:51:47the super witness

00:51:48and I burn it

00:51:49I have been

00:51:50a witness

00:51:51of reference

00:51:55they are not

00:51:56a witness

00:51:57eye

00:51:57I reported

00:51:59one thing

00:51:59that I was told

00:52:01from another person

00:52:02but why

00:52:04the police

00:52:05he burned

00:52:06a witness of his own

00:52:08the same association

00:52:10youth hotels

00:52:11was considered

00:52:12a sort of emanation

00:52:13of the secret services

00:52:14that he would have had

00:52:15even points of contact

00:52:17with the story

00:52:17of the slush funds

00:52:18of the SISDE

00:52:19because it is considered

00:52:20a junction

00:52:21of money flows

00:52:22entrusted to the secret services

00:52:24the SISDE

00:52:25he served himself

00:52:25of associations

00:52:27of entities

00:52:28like hostels

00:52:28of youth

00:52:29to know

00:52:30the identity

00:52:31of foreigners

00:52:33who came to Italy

00:52:35it is possible

00:52:36absolutely possible

00:52:38This

00:52:39I think so

00:52:39one of the activities

00:52:41normal

00:52:42which carries out

00:52:43a secret service

00:52:47the name that recurs

00:52:49moreover

00:52:49it's Sergio Costa's

00:52:51son-in-law of the then

00:52:52police cable

00:52:53in Parisi

00:52:54and official

00:52:55of the SISDE

00:52:56detached

00:52:57at the Rome police headquarters

00:52:58one of the first

00:53:00to arrive

00:53:00in Via Poma

00:53:01the night of the crime

00:53:02I remember

00:53:03that in the sink

00:53:05there were some stains

00:53:06of blood

00:53:06where we think

00:53:07that he

00:53:08which he had handled

00:53:09the blood

00:53:09had rinsed himself

00:53:10It's a shame that this one

00:53:12investigative intuition

00:53:13in addition to the photo

00:53:14that we are seeing

00:53:15it is not followed

00:53:16the obvious decision

00:53:17to photograph in detail

00:53:18the sink as much

00:53:19that the blood stains

00:53:21and then

00:53:22we found a paper cutter

00:53:23within

00:53:24of a pen holder

00:53:25in leather

00:53:26if I remember correctly

00:53:27in a room

00:53:29active

00:53:29to that of Simonetta

00:53:30my inspector

00:53:31he told me

00:53:32probably

00:53:33this is the weapon

00:53:33of the crime

00:53:36as you may remember

00:53:37Professor Posa

00:53:38he demonstrated

00:53:39like the paper cutter

00:53:40on file

00:53:40it could not have been

00:53:41the murder weapon

00:53:42Now

00:53:43the former official

00:53:44of the secret services

00:53:45says that the instrument

00:53:47it was placed

00:53:48otherwise

00:53:48from the photo

00:53:49of the scientific

00:53:50in a pen holder

00:53:52the crime scene

00:53:53has it been tampered with?

00:53:54what Costa is talking about

00:53:55is this another letter opener?

00:53:57originally

00:53:59it could have been

00:53:59a crime

00:54:00absolutely banal

00:54:01evidently

00:54:02banal

00:54:03it wasn't

00:54:03but for everything

00:54:06a world

00:54:07and everything

00:54:08a context

00:54:09that was going around

00:54:10environment

00:54:11and that probably

00:54:12go around

00:54:13in this case

00:54:14even today

00:54:17one of the characters

00:54:18prominent

00:54:19of this yellow

00:54:20it's just

00:54:20the president

00:54:21of the committee

00:54:21Lazio of AIAG

00:54:22the lawyer

00:54:23Caracciolo Di Sarno

00:54:24bound

00:54:25at the time

00:54:25Socialist Party

00:54:26it is told

00:54:27that his parties

00:54:28in the Tarano estate

00:54:29province of Rieti

00:54:30they were always present

00:54:32exponents

00:54:33of the institutions

00:54:34it turns out to you

00:54:35that Caracciolo

00:54:36knew

00:54:36his father-in-law?

00:54:38personally

00:54:39I don't know

00:54:41we don't know

00:54:43if really

00:54:44Caracciolo

00:54:44knew

00:54:45in person

00:54:46the then

00:54:46chief of police

00:54:48certainly though

00:54:49Vincenzo Parisi

00:54:50key man

00:54:51of the first republic

00:54:52which was also

00:54:53head of the SISDE

00:54:54he lived in Rome

00:54:55in the same building

00:54:57of the national headquarters

00:54:58of the AIAG

00:54:59that Caracciolo

00:55:00he couldn't

00:55:01do not frequent

00:55:02and he was a friend

00:55:02of the family

00:55:03by Anita Baldi

00:55:04that of the hotels

00:55:05of youth

00:55:06she was director

00:55:07administrative

00:55:08when he was released from prison

00:55:10Pietrino Panacore

00:55:11What did Parisi tell her?

00:55:13on that occasion

00:55:15let's say

00:55:16which he did not manifest

00:55:18let's say

00:55:18his happiness

00:55:28it wasn't true

00:55:29what we

00:55:29we had always known

00:55:31that in the palace

00:55:31of Paloma Street

00:55:32on that day

00:55:33there was the goalkeeper

00:55:34the doorman's wife

00:55:36the son came

00:55:36from Turin

00:55:37the daughter-in-law

00:55:38the child

00:55:39small small small

00:55:40and then there was

00:55:42the old Valle

00:55:43Cesare Valle

00:55:44in addition to the victim

00:55:46there was a presence

00:55:47in addition

00:55:48that there was

00:55:48just always

00:55:49kept silent

00:55:50why didn't you tell us?

00:55:51we did some investigations

00:55:53Anyway

00:55:53that anyway

00:55:54trust me

00:55:56trust me

00:55:58but if in the palace

00:56:00if there had been

00:56:01no others

00:56:03three people

00:56:04but ten more

00:56:05they were all

00:56:06hidden

00:56:07behind their doors

00:56:08but why these doors

00:56:09have they been opened?

00:56:12in my opinion

00:56:13there are the elements

00:56:14to think

00:56:14that it was there

00:56:15someone else too

00:56:16Luigina Berrettini

00:56:17he leaves the office

00:56:19around 2pm

00:56:20she feels

00:56:21to tick

00:56:22a machine

00:56:23to write

00:56:24it has been verified

00:56:26if there

00:56:27if there had been

00:56:29that August 7th

00:56:29someone?

00:56:31No

00:56:34Speaking of which

00:56:35of people

00:56:36who frequented

00:56:37Poma Street

00:56:38it should be remembered

00:56:39that recently

00:56:40Paola Cesaroni

00:56:41he found

00:56:42the photocopies

00:56:43some sheets

00:56:43presence

00:56:44of the association

00:56:45youth hotels

00:56:46that the family

00:56:47of the victim

00:56:48had received

00:56:49from one of the employees

00:56:51Luigina Berrettini

00:57:04the cards of this latest lead

00:57:06of investigations

00:57:06never explored in depth

00:57:07they end up scattered

00:57:09in some passageway

00:57:10of the prosecution

00:57:10to then reappear

00:57:11thanks to the family

00:57:12Cesaroni

00:57:13which fortunately

00:57:14he had kept a copy of it

00:57:15then he signs it

00:57:16I collected them

00:57:17in the container

00:57:19I hope so

00:57:20who put them in place

00:57:21and I brought them

00:57:22in archive

00:57:24at a certain point

00:57:25I have never succeeded

00:57:26to find them more

00:57:28and they asked for it

00:57:29It is true

00:57:30what they say

00:57:31that they have not

00:57:32most found

00:57:32they disappeared

00:57:33those

00:57:33in the period

00:57:34of the match

00:57:37yet in the attendance sheets

00:57:39there are two names

00:57:40that never ended

00:57:41within range

00:57:41of the investigators

00:57:42Giussi Faustini

00:57:43and Pierpaolo De Risi

00:57:45now deceased

00:57:46both for days

00:57:47and time slots

00:57:48they may have met

00:57:50Simonetta

00:57:50in the office on Via Poma

00:57:51in particular

00:57:52on August 7th

00:57:53of 1990

00:57:55but also

00:57:56in some days

00:57:57of the month of July

00:57:58Simonetta Cesaroni

00:57:59do you remember her?

00:58:00no I've never seen it

00:58:02Instead

00:58:04the Faustini

00:58:05who says no

00:58:06because in mind

00:58:07this lady?

00:58:08I do not know

00:58:08at par on interest

00:58:10I do not know

00:58:10she for me

00:58:11she made a stone

00:58:12I do not

00:58:16first of all

00:58:17who could have known

00:58:18that Simonetta

00:58:20that afternoon

00:58:20would have remained alone

00:58:22Salvatore Volponi

00:58:23he certainly knew

00:58:24on the other hand

00:58:24himself

00:58:25he admits he knows it

00:58:27admits to having spoken

00:58:28just about this

00:58:29with Simonetta

00:58:31Now

00:58:32in my opinion

00:58:33he could have known

00:58:34even those who

00:58:36he had to go

00:58:37to collect the records

00:58:39Simonetta

00:58:39entered the data

00:58:40he pressed the button

00:58:42of print

00:58:42then she

00:58:44this work

00:58:44he left it on the desk

00:58:46And

00:58:47the three ladies

00:58:48who worked there

00:58:49when asked

00:58:51they responded

00:58:52that they didn't know

00:58:53like these sheets

00:58:55they would arrive later

00:58:56at the headquarters

00:59:01most likely

00:59:02there was a courier

00:59:04of the tables

00:59:04we know

00:59:06That

00:59:06the week before

00:59:08of the murder

00:59:08he certainly went

00:59:10on Friday

00:59:11certainly because

00:59:13why didn't she go alone

00:59:14he went together with

00:59:15Big Zocchi

00:59:15Saturday morning

00:59:17Luigina Perrettini

00:59:19finds

00:59:20In the

00:59:21I can choose

00:59:23some cigarette butts

00:59:24some cigarette butts

00:59:25belonging

00:59:26two types

00:59:27two-brand

00:59:28different

00:59:29it's not Simonetta

00:59:30Certainly

00:59:31can be

00:59:32Big Zocchi

00:59:33why Big Zocchi

00:59:34he smoked

00:59:34and a lot too

00:59:35and but there it is

00:59:37someone else

00:59:38who smoked

00:59:38on Friday

00:59:40she arrives late

00:59:41on an appointment

00:59:43on that day

00:59:44there is some stranger

00:59:45probably

00:59:46which makes them late

00:59:48who enters the house

00:59:49there is some stranger

00:59:50who waits

00:59:50that she finishes

00:59:51the work

00:59:53but

00:59:54all this

00:59:55let's say

00:59:56it was given

00:59:57an answer

00:59:58to this

00:59:58No

01:00:02it should be remembered

01:00:03that the ordinance

01:00:04of the judge

01:00:05for the investigations

01:00:06preliminari

01:00:06imposes on the prosecutor

01:00:08to return

01:00:09to check

01:00:09all the alibis

01:00:11to understand

01:00:12the importance

01:00:13that the GIP Arceria

01:00:14assign

01:00:14to this verification

01:00:16suffice it to say

01:00:17that in the provision

01:00:1855 pages

01:00:20the word alibi

01:00:21appears

01:00:2225 times

01:00:23because precisely

01:00:25in this whole affair

01:00:26they are there

01:00:27investigative errors

01:00:29not only

01:00:30but there are also

01:00:31some big lies

01:00:33the alibis

01:00:33have not been verified

01:00:35or rather

01:00:36some alibis

01:00:38have been verified

01:00:39but

01:00:40I didn't succeed

01:00:42to find

01:00:43the cards

01:00:44we meet

01:00:45at a distance

01:00:47at a distance

01:00:49abysmal time

01:00:50not to know

01:00:51if these people

01:00:52was

01:00:53or he wasn't there

01:00:54there was

01:00:55or there wasn't

01:00:57the protagonists

01:00:58on the scene

01:00:59of Via Poma

01:00:59on which the GIP

01:01:00is invited to learn more

01:01:01there are three in particular

01:01:02Salvatore Volponi

01:01:04the employer

01:01:04by Simonetta

01:01:05the lawyer Caracciolo

01:01:06of Sarno

01:01:07who directed

01:01:08the association

01:01:08youth hotels

01:01:09and the warrior notary

01:01:11that in the palace

01:01:12had more apartments

01:01:13let's start with

01:01:14Salvatore Volponi

01:01:15I can only reiterate

01:01:17the fact that

01:01:17basically me

01:01:18in my Poma

01:01:19I had never been there

01:01:21and then

01:01:22the door

01:01:23he told me

01:01:23who knew me

01:01:27I do not know

01:01:27why he says it

01:01:29I believe

01:01:30frankly

01:01:31That

01:01:31an employer

01:01:32who has

01:01:33an appointment

01:01:34telephone

01:01:34he says so

01:01:35with an employee

01:01:37definitely his

01:01:38and he doesn't know

01:01:39where he calls him from

01:01:40frankly

01:01:41speaking

01:01:41it's little

01:01:42a crime

01:01:44in 1996

01:01:46during a conference

01:01:47press

01:01:48summoned

01:01:49to reject

01:01:49the accusations

01:01:50of having done

01:01:50work

01:01:51Simonetta in black

01:01:52Volponi

01:01:53pronounce a sentence

01:01:54resurfaced from the archives

01:01:55of the RAI

01:01:56and without being

01:01:57framed

01:01:57from the camera

01:01:58that now

01:01:5935 years later

01:02:01will have to explain

01:02:02to the magistrates

01:02:03because it seems

01:02:04contradict himself

01:02:05when he says

01:02:06of having accompanied

01:02:07Simonetta at IAG

01:02:08for his first

01:02:09job interview

01:02:12I

01:02:13I accompanied him

01:02:14and remained

01:02:15to wait for her

01:02:15without participating

01:02:16at the interview itself

01:02:17at the end

01:02:18of the interview

01:02:19he told me

01:02:19that day

01:02:21Volponi

01:02:21furious

01:02:22for the disputes

01:02:23of the family

01:02:23Cesaroni

01:02:24do another one

01:02:25important statement

01:02:27the real

01:02:28attitude

01:02:28by Simonetta

01:02:29towards

01:02:29of the father

01:02:29of the mother

01:02:30it was absolutely

01:02:31independence

01:02:32they are statements

01:02:33of great interest

01:02:35That

01:02:35they give some ideas

01:02:37investigative

01:02:39meanwhile

01:02:40I would like to ask

01:02:42he knew

01:02:42independence

01:02:43by Simonetta

01:02:44so he knew

01:02:44Very good

01:02:45Simonetta

01:02:46there was a certain

01:02:47confidence

01:02:47of work

01:02:48it was a confidence

01:02:49of work

01:02:49a confidence

01:02:50professional

01:02:51we gave ourselves

01:02:51of the lei

01:02:52Certain

01:02:53but who says that?

01:02:53who says differently

01:02:54precisely

01:02:55there was confidence

01:02:56professional

01:02:56and she

01:02:57in these confidences

01:02:58it's not that

01:02:59Simonetta sometimes

01:03:00he said

01:03:00there is someone

01:03:00that is giving me

01:03:01nuisance

01:03:02No

01:03:02I have never

01:03:03it has never been

01:03:04confided

01:03:04she never confided in me

01:03:05with me

01:03:10we can't

01:03:11just to understand

01:03:11the why

01:03:12of this strong hatred

01:03:13towards us

01:03:14by Cesarone

01:03:16Certainly

01:03:17it can't be

01:03:17just the need

01:03:19of justice

01:03:19to explain

01:03:20his horrible accusations

01:03:21that we receive

01:03:23with all our strength

01:03:24we ask to be

01:03:25treated as citizens

01:03:26respectable

01:03:27and that it be heard

01:03:29with equal respect

01:03:31our truth

01:03:32it's clear

01:03:33that the measure

01:03:34it's short

01:03:34Thank you

01:03:39they are statements

01:03:41of interest

01:03:42for a psychologist

01:03:44Why

01:03:44from those statements

01:03:45we don't have

01:03:46perceived

01:03:47an attitude

01:03:48in a hurry

01:03:49of pain

01:03:51albeit indirect

01:03:52At that time

01:03:53she said before

01:03:54of not knowing

01:03:55Simoletta

01:03:56eh

01:03:56Cesarone

01:03:57know

01:03:58I didn't know her

01:03:59I've never seen it

01:04:00I've never heard of it

01:04:01I didn't know the name

01:04:02I didn't know anything

01:04:03this is the factual point

01:04:04what I can tell you

01:04:06what time

01:04:07he knew

01:04:08of the crime

01:04:09I

01:04:10I don't remember it

01:04:11I know that

01:04:12not knowing

01:04:14not being

01:04:15employee

01:04:15of the association

01:04:16nothing else

01:04:17aside

01:04:19the natural

01:04:20pain

01:04:22I couldn't

01:04:23squeeze

01:04:24other

01:04:25Meaning what

01:04:26towards

01:04:27of a person

01:04:28who was dependent

01:04:28of others

01:04:33on the column

01:04:34by Simoletta

01:04:34there are two numbers

01:04:35not one

01:04:36two numbers

01:04:37by phone

01:04:38of the lawyer

01:04:38Calaccio

01:04:42in Simoletta

01:04:43I also told him

01:04:44preferably

01:04:45maybe these

01:04:46three hours

01:04:47what do you have to do here

01:04:48if you can do them

01:04:48in the morning

01:04:50he is the lawyer

01:04:51Calaccio

01:04:51of Sarno

01:04:52who decides

01:04:52what a Simoletta

01:04:53on the contrary

01:04:54to the requests

01:04:55go there

01:04:55to work

01:04:56the afternoon

01:04:56alone

01:04:57why didn't he come

01:04:58to work

01:04:59in the morning

01:04:59as for example

01:05:00had proposed

01:05:01Pericoci

01:05:01as he had proposed

01:05:02Rambaldi

01:05:02I can't tell you that

01:05:03he doesn't know who decided

01:05:05but in general

01:05:07he is the president

01:05:08Calaccio

01:05:08the one who decided

01:05:09because it was him

01:05:11the highest degree

01:05:12who decides

01:05:13which must continue

01:05:14alone in the evening

01:05:15the afternoon

01:05:15alone

01:05:16Lawyer Calaccio

01:05:17who decided

01:05:18work shifts

01:05:19who decided

01:05:20as it was supposed to be

01:05:21organized the work

01:05:22and so on

01:05:23theoretically

01:05:24there was

01:05:24a director

01:05:26of the secretaries

01:05:26and did not give

01:05:28the directives

01:05:28well obviously

01:05:30all my solutions

01:05:31then the others

01:05:32they interpreted them

01:05:33as per my instructions

01:05:35The figure of Caracciolo

01:05:36of Sarno

01:05:36we remember it

01:05:37died in 2016

01:05:38she's back in the spotlight

01:05:40on the recommendation of the investigating judge

01:05:41which asks the prosecutor

01:05:42to delve deeper

01:05:43the alibi

01:05:43of August 7th

01:05:44What does it remember?

01:05:45in the afternoon

01:05:46of August 7th

01:05:48of 1990

01:05:51Well

01:05:53I have to say

01:05:54I remember

01:05:54very little

01:05:58To raise doubts

01:06:00on the alibi

01:06:01also a document

01:06:02content

01:06:03in the cards

01:06:04of the prosecution

01:06:04but to whom

01:06:05until now

01:06:06it was not given

01:06:07excessive weight

01:06:08it's about

01:06:09of a relationship

01:06:09of the police

01:06:10which referring

01:06:11as stated

01:06:13confidentially

01:06:14from the door

01:06:15of the palace

01:06:15by Caracciolo

01:06:16of Sarno

01:06:17that needs to be said

01:06:18it's right in front

01:06:20to the complex

01:06:20of Via Poma

01:06:21calls into question

01:06:22the reconstruction

01:06:23of August 7th

01:06:241990

01:06:25made by the lawyer

01:06:28I took my daughter

01:06:30I accompanied them

01:06:31my daughter

01:06:31and her friends

01:06:32because I accompanied them

01:06:33I had come

01:06:34in the countryside

01:06:35I accompanied them

01:06:37at the airport

01:06:42the woman

01:06:43he would have seen

01:06:44twice

01:06:44the lawyer

01:06:45one in the morning

01:06:46when in theory

01:06:47Caracciolo of Sarno

01:06:48he was in Tarano

01:06:48the second in the afternoon

01:06:50when he saw him

01:06:51to return

01:06:51visibly out of breath

01:06:52and with a bundle

01:06:53under the arm

01:06:57listen

01:06:58after being

01:06:58returned from the airport

01:07:00where did he go?

01:07:01he returned to his home

01:07:02in Rome

01:07:03or he went to his house

01:07:04in the countryside?

01:07:05always in the countryside

01:07:08in the same document

01:07:10dated 1992

01:07:12it is read

01:07:14which according to

01:07:14confidential sources

01:07:16Caracciolo of Sarno

01:07:18already protagonist

01:07:19of episodes

01:07:19of sexual harassment

01:07:21would have escaped

01:07:22to investigations

01:07:23more accurate

01:07:24thanks to friendships

01:07:26influential

01:07:26outside

01:07:28there are no cameras

01:07:29the numerous

01:07:30surveillance towers

01:07:31they are almost all

01:07:32deserted

01:07:32and also the escape

01:07:33occurred from a gate

01:07:34driveway

01:07:35it had no surprises in store

01:07:38to complete the picture

01:07:40It is useful to remember

01:07:41that one of the 147

01:07:42safety deposit boxes

01:07:43out of a total of 990

01:07:45broken into by Massimo Carminati

01:07:47in the cable

01:07:48of the internal door

01:07:49at the Rome court

01:07:50it belonged to me

01:07:51to Caracciolo di Sarno

01:07:52at the branch door

01:07:54no trace of break-in

01:07:55unmistakable sign

01:07:57that the thieves

01:07:58they had a copy

01:07:58of the keys

01:08:00on the basis

01:08:01of the modalities

01:08:02of execution

01:08:03of the list

01:08:03of the owners

01:08:04open boxes

01:08:06magistrates

01:08:07lawyers

01:08:07and personality

01:08:08of weight

01:08:09it would be

01:08:10of a theft

01:08:11on commission

01:08:12to take possession

01:08:13of documents

01:08:14reserved

01:08:15it's a lot

01:08:16inconvenient

01:08:17and with a lot

01:08:18decision

01:08:19above all

01:08:19with a lot

01:08:20protection

01:08:21in his

01:08:22order

01:08:23the GIPA

01:08:23list

01:08:23as many as 14 questions

01:08:25that would go

01:08:25riots

01:08:25to his daughter

01:08:26by Caracciolo

01:08:26and her friends

01:08:27remembering

01:08:28the judge emphasizes

01:08:30which exists

01:08:31for the witness

01:08:31an obligation

01:08:32both criminal

01:08:33what a moral

01:08:33to tell the truth

01:08:34she remembers

01:08:36these circumstances?

01:08:37I can only

01:08:38confirm

01:08:39what I said

01:08:40at the time

01:08:40but now

01:08:41own

01:08:41I don't remember

01:08:42Nothing

01:08:46let's talk now

01:08:47of the third character

01:08:49of the scene

01:08:49of Via Poma

01:08:50on which the GIP

01:08:51asks to investigate

01:08:52he is the notary

01:08:53warrior

01:08:54that a year later

01:08:55the crime

01:08:56bought

01:08:57the apartment

01:08:57of the murder

01:08:58for then

01:08:59make us come true

01:09:00a holiday home

01:09:01but Simonetta

01:09:03he has never seen her

01:09:04never ever?

01:09:04I had never seen it

01:09:06in my life

01:09:06never never never?

01:09:08I didn't know

01:09:09not even

01:09:11Caracciolo

01:09:11always this

01:09:12because then we talk

01:09:13I am trying to say

01:09:14it happened every now and then

01:09:15that I met

01:09:16some employees

01:09:18of the observers

01:09:19of youth

01:09:20but like this

01:09:21I am trying to say

01:09:22for the stairs

01:09:22but she wasn't

01:09:23an employee

01:09:24no no no

01:09:25so he never saw her

01:09:26she

01:09:27What blood type does she have?

01:09:28can you tell me?

01:09:29has positive

01:09:30has positive

01:09:34the blood type

01:09:36of the warrior notary

01:09:37like many other characters

01:09:38of this yellow

01:09:39it has never been

01:09:40officially confirmed

01:09:41Now

01:09:42at the request of the investigating judge

01:09:43the prosecution will have to do it

01:09:44as you will have to verify

01:09:46the alibi of August 7th

01:09:47that for his friend

01:09:48Lawyer Mannucci

01:09:49warrior

01:09:50would have spent

01:09:51in Abruzzo

01:09:52the lawyer then

01:09:53notary

01:09:54warrior

01:09:55August 7th

01:09:561990

01:09:56swears

01:09:57in front

01:09:58to the council

01:09:59notary

01:10:00to request

01:10:00settling in

01:10:02then at

01:10:03the headquarters of

01:10:03Tollo

01:10:06the problem

01:10:07of the alibi

01:10:08of warrior

01:10:08is that the oath

01:10:10as a notary

01:10:11it's the morning

01:10:12and the murder

01:10:12by Simonette

01:10:13it happened

01:10:14in the late afternoon

01:10:15but between Chieti

01:10:16and Rome

01:10:16there are only

01:10:17200 km

01:10:19of highway

01:10:21the idea

01:10:22general

01:10:23then we will go down

01:10:24in particular

01:10:24which was

01:10:26killed

01:10:26with a weapon

01:10:27not sharpened

01:10:28we are not there yet

01:10:30stop

01:10:30in appearance

01:10:31anatomical

01:10:31superficial

01:10:32but we have

01:10:34Also

01:10:34Images

01:10:35of the table

01:10:36sector

01:10:37that allow us

01:10:37to understand

01:10:38even in depth

01:10:39if compatibility

01:10:41it was maintained

01:10:46and if the weapon

01:10:47of the crime

01:10:47it wasn't

01:10:48a paper cutter

01:10:48the one found

01:10:49on the scene

01:10:50of the crime

01:10:51as we have seen

01:10:51it is not compatible

01:10:52with wounds

01:10:53inflicted on Simonetta

01:10:54could be

01:10:55maybe a small sword

01:10:56the question

01:10:57he asked himself

01:10:58even the GIP

01:10:58that invites

01:10:59the prosecutor's office

01:10:59to acquire

01:11:00on file

01:11:00the rapier

01:11:01of the school

01:11:02military

01:11:02of the Annunziatella

01:11:03what a warrior

01:11:04received

01:11:05at the end of the course

01:11:06for the purpose

01:11:07to compare it

01:11:08with the results

01:11:09of the autopsy

01:11:14we don't know

01:11:16how it is preserved

01:11:18the corpse

01:11:19to date

01:11:19but we know

01:11:21that the bone planes

01:11:22they can hold

01:11:24with himself

01:11:25even after

01:11:26a distance

01:11:27of years

01:11:27so wide

01:11:28of the footprints

01:11:29given by an instrument

01:11:30blunt

01:11:31so if it were done

01:11:32the resurrection

01:11:32you would certainly have

01:11:33the extra dates

01:11:34this aspect too

01:11:35there are others too

01:11:41the condominium

01:11:42he decided

01:11:43not to speak

01:11:44but it's true

01:11:45this thing

01:11:45the condominium

01:11:46I don't know anything about it

01:11:46because it's not that the condominium

01:11:48be a person

01:11:49that is, you haven't done it yet

01:11:51a press office

01:11:51of the condominium

01:11:52I don't know anything about it

01:11:53also for the reunion today

01:11:59to complete

01:12:00this painting

01:12:01of people

01:12:01that in a way

01:12:02or in the other

01:12:03they should have

01:12:04or could

01:12:05encounter

01:12:05Simonetta

01:12:06in his days

01:12:07of work

01:12:07in Via Poma

01:12:08let's hear what he says

01:12:09Lawyer Mannucci

01:12:10in relation

01:12:11to a meeting

01:12:12that there would be

01:12:13between Simonetta

01:12:14and one of the secretaries

01:12:16of the law firm

01:12:17to me personally

01:12:20none

01:12:21of my secretaries

01:12:22he reported

01:12:23that he had seen

01:12:24or known

01:12:26Simonetta

01:12:26I do not believe

01:12:27that in that arch

01:12:28storm

01:12:29so short

01:12:29had arisen

01:12:30Certainly

01:12:31a friendship

01:12:32or a relationship

01:12:33of knowledge

01:12:36more in-depth

01:12:39in a family

01:12:41so cohesive

01:12:42don't tell anyone

01:12:45that you go to work

01:12:46of detach

01:12:47that is, don't say

01:12:47where are you going

01:12:48to work

01:12:49twice

01:12:50per week

01:12:51in meadows

01:12:52instead of working

01:12:53on Maggi Street

01:12:53which was relatively

01:12:55Neighbor

01:12:55to where they lived

01:12:57this too

01:12:58it's a little strange

01:13:00This

01:13:05among the pollutions

01:13:06that there have been

01:13:07in the Vari stadium

01:13:08an attempt

01:13:09who left

01:13:10almost immediately

01:13:12it was the attempt

01:13:13to pollute

01:13:14the figure of Simonetta

01:13:16present it

01:13:16like a good girl

01:13:18a kind of escort

01:13:23In short

01:13:23in this story

01:13:24there is not only

01:13:25a murderer

01:13:25disappeared into thin air

01:13:26but there is also

01:13:27an entire social environment

01:13:29what he did

01:13:29and keep doing

01:13:30of everything

01:13:31to push away

01:13:31from Via Poma

01:13:32the suspicion

01:13:33that the murderous hand

01:13:34may belong

01:13:35to one of the regulars

01:13:36of the palace

01:13:38for example

01:13:38I don't know of any

01:13:39that they were made

01:13:40investigations

01:13:41at the place where he worked

01:13:43predominantly

01:13:43Simonetta

01:13:44for some time now

01:13:44that is to say

01:13:45the palace

01:13:46where it was located

01:13:47the kidneys

01:13:48there he could have

01:13:49known

01:13:50of people

01:13:51to which

01:13:52he might have said

01:13:52but what are you doing

01:13:53you're not coming

01:13:53this afternoon

01:13:54No

01:13:54why now

01:13:55twice a week

01:13:56I go

01:13:56on Poma Street

01:13:57in Prati

01:13:58near Piazza Mazzini

01:14:05to know

01:14:06who was intimately

01:14:07Simonetta Cesaroni

01:14:09it is necessary to loosen up

01:14:10his diary

01:14:11and his notes

01:14:12the research

01:14:13of happiness

01:14:14in love

01:14:14it's a feature

01:14:15of his writings

01:14:16there is one

01:14:17in shorthand characters

01:14:18incredibly

01:14:20remained unpublished

01:14:21that up to now

01:14:21no one ever thought

01:14:22to translate

01:14:23contains no traces

01:14:25to identify

01:14:26his killer

01:14:27but thanks to the translation

01:14:28of a young man

01:14:29neuroscientist

01:14:30who lives

01:14:31between Anagne and Stockholm

01:14:32and just published

01:14:34a treaty

01:14:34of anatomy

01:14:35of the brain

01:14:36we will be able to explore

01:14:38some aspects

01:14:39in addition

01:14:39of personality

01:14:40by Simonetta

01:14:41the scenography

01:14:43it is used

01:14:44to transcribe

01:14:45at speed

01:14:45in oratorical speed

01:14:47as so-called

01:14:48here though

01:14:48Instead

01:14:49the use is another

01:14:51it's not a writing

01:14:53precisely

01:14:54which was

01:14:55that has been done

01:14:56at speed

01:14:56Surely

01:14:58he wanted

01:14:59maintain

01:15:00Reserved

01:15:01what

01:15:02he thought

01:15:04In short

01:15:04in a diary

01:15:05maybe it was black

01:15:07he's not coming with us

01:15:09maybe

01:15:10what it would have been like

01:15:12if he had come

01:15:13him too

01:15:15I

01:15:16I still love him

01:15:18but

01:15:19I do not want

01:15:20continue

01:15:21Like this

01:15:23I want

01:15:24fall in love

01:15:25again

01:15:26and forever

01:15:28this time

01:15:41from this sea magnum

01:15:4235 years old

01:15:43made of investigations

01:15:44improvised

01:15:45of red herrings

01:15:46of alibis

01:15:46unverified

01:15:47and from countless

01:15:48I don't know and I don't remember

01:15:49what emerges

01:15:51that the confusion

01:15:51created by art

01:15:52will never succeed

01:15:53to erase

01:15:54I am the constancy

01:15:55of the Cesaroni family

01:15:56in research

01:15:57of the truth

01:15:57and the smile

01:15:59by Simonetta

01:15:59the girl from Via Poma

01:16:00which was

01:16:01first of all

01:16:02a girl like many others

01:16:11I'm writing these lines

01:16:12in a moment

01:16:13in which I

01:16:13and my family

01:16:14we have regained confidence

01:16:16towards the institutions

01:16:17towards the judges

01:16:19and the prosecutor's office

01:16:19and so that

01:16:20let's get to the truth

01:16:21to ascertain

01:16:22who stole it from us

01:16:23forever Simonetta

01:16:25the difficulties

01:16:26they were

01:16:27unimaginable

01:16:28and you worry

01:16:29not to fall

01:16:29just thank you

01:16:30to the force

01:16:31that the pain

01:16:31can give you

01:16:32so for us

01:16:33was

01:16:34for these

01:16:34over 34 years old

01:16:39I

01:16:40I arrived

01:16:41to hate her

01:16:42those people

01:16:43it's not possible

01:16:44that no one

01:16:45he didn't see anything

01:16:46and he didn't hear anything

01:16:49but now

01:16:50the ordinance

01:16:50of the archers judge

01:16:52a woman

01:16:52he gave us back

01:16:53a concrete hope

01:16:55there is no time

01:16:56spent

01:16:57that can set limits

01:16:58they are not here

01:16:59changes of attorneys

01:17:00that they can

01:17:01represent

01:17:02obstacles

01:17:03nor errors

01:17:04to stop

01:17:04justice

01:17:05it's time

01:17:06to really believe it

01:17:07because it is not admissible

01:17:08that nowadays

01:17:10where everything

01:17:11it's moved

01:17:11from technologies

01:17:12science

01:17:13and intelligences

01:17:14artificial

01:17:14it is not possible

01:17:16to monitor

01:17:16who should it be

01:17:17monitored

01:17:18with professionalism

01:17:19means

01:17:20and conviction

01:17:21without saving

01:17:24it's a group

01:17:26Enough

01:17:27narrow

01:17:27really

01:17:28a group

01:17:29so more murderers

01:17:32if for murderers

01:17:33we mean

01:17:34responsibility

01:17:35Yes

01:17:37so check it out

01:17:38everywhere

01:17:39and anyone

01:17:40the strong powers

01:17:41conditioners

01:17:42maybe now

01:17:43there are no more

01:17:43but there are many people

01:17:45who know

01:17:46and that they can speak

01:17:47free

01:17:48by now

01:17:49from those strong powers

01:17:50not only for Simonetta

01:17:52to which the whole country

01:17:54has been donating for many years

01:17:55affection

01:17:55and for this

01:17:56I thank you all

01:17:58but for all

01:17:59those women

01:18:00that they have not had

01:18:01justice again

01:18:02to which daily

01:18:03my thoughts go

01:18:05for them too

01:18:06let justice be done

01:18:07this is the prayer

01:18:11Paola

01:18:12Cesaroni

01:18:14no investigation was carried out

01:18:16where it was necessary to investigate

01:18:17Where?

01:18:20in that building

01:18:21in those offices

01:18:22to

01:18:31Thank you all.

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