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00:00Hello, coming up on the programme today.
00:02After skeletal remains of a man were found by campers in North Wales,
00:07can you help identify him?
00:10And do you recognise this man he's wanted in connection
00:13with the distribution of class A drugs?
00:15He's been on the run since 2021.
00:18And how a beauty queen turned detective
00:21to identify the UK's most prolific catfisher.
00:24It is literally like the plot from a Hollywood film.
00:27Yeah, it really is. Still watching, this is Crimewatch Live.
00:31He's been jamming the switchboard both here and at the instant room.
00:36Just to remind you, this was the abduction and rainbow drop campaign
00:40and the handgun debate.
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00:57Hello and welcome to what is our last show for this series.
01:01Over these last three weeks, we have brought you dozens of appeals
01:05and wanted faces from police forces across the country.
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01:17And thank you to those as well who've provided some interesting leads from those two.
01:22This morning, how a trusted friend turned bookkeeper
01:26swindled an elderly couple out of nearly £1 million.
01:31Within the space of a year, all the money was all transferred,
01:35leaving them penniless so they can't pay for their care.
01:39And we'll be hearing how this gorgeous furry fella
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02:13But first this morning, the discovery of human remains near a campsite in North Wales
02:18led to a murder investigation that is still puzzling detectives 10 years later.
02:26At 20, 43 hours on the 14th of November 2015,
02:32North Wales Police received a call to report the discovery of what they believe to be human remains.
02:39Two brothers were visiting Cloquetnog Forest, a huge area of woodland in North Wales,
02:44to watch the whales rally GB.
02:47In the evening, they were camping and one of the brothers went off to look for firewood
02:53and in doing so discovered what they believed to be a human skeleton.
03:03Cloquetnog Forest is well known.
03:05It's near to Llinbrennig, which is a very popular lake for walkers, dog walkers and outdoor sports enthusiasts and the
03:13like.
03:14There was a patch between Imain Road and the forestry track.
03:18So the brothers were camping a little bit further up from where the skeleton was recovered.
03:23And I would say in relation to the forestry track,
03:26that the skeleton was maybe 10, 15 metres away from that track.
03:31The particular area is not an area that I would expect people to have frequented
03:36because of the dents and the growth and the fact that it isn't very easy to walk through.
03:42As you can imagine, receiving a call like that was very uncommon.
03:47North Wales Police Forensics Teams identified that the skull did appear to be a human skull.
03:54A CSI team has started with archaeologists excavating the area.
04:01The discovery sparked a huge forensic police dig,
04:05which unearthed the near-complete human skeletal remains.
04:10The scene itself was particularly challenging.
04:13The crime scene investigators had to cut away the undergrowth.
04:17And they've taken a layered approach.
04:20So not only have they done the undergrowth, they've taken away the soil.
04:22And it's been a painstaking process that's taken place over a number of days.
04:29When we're examining that scene, not only are we looking to recover as much human remains as possible,
04:36we're also looking for forensics clues that will help us identify who that human remains belongs to.
04:43An experienced pathologist has had a look at the skull and has been able to say that there was inflicted
04:49trauma to the head,
04:50which has left us clear that this was a murder investigation.
04:58Confirmed as a murder, detectives began working on identifying the victim.
05:03We've been able to say that this person must have been born before 1950.
05:09We know through examination that the skeletal remains belong to a male.
05:14We believe that the male was of heavy build.
05:18We believe that he was between 5 foot 8 inches tall and 5 foot 10 and a half inches tall.
05:24From examining the spine, we know that this male had arthritis.
05:30He would have suffered with back pain.
05:32That back pain may not have been disclosed to family or friends or loved ones.
05:41Detectives called in a forensic odontologist, Dr John Rosey, for help.
05:46His premolar teeth have got some very extensive crown work, root canal work and filling work,
05:54which is of a high quality.
05:56Now, the style of the dentistry is typical of dentistry that was done in the 90s, 2000s, possibly late 80s.
06:07The teeth are particularly important to us in this investigation,
06:10and we are told that if you were that dentist performing that procedure,
06:15you are likely to recognise your own work,
06:18which would hopefully enable us to identify who this person is.
06:26Detectives used a facial reconstruction expert
06:29to depict what the Cloquetnog Forest Man may have looked like.
06:34They've given us three different date ranges,
06:37what they would look like in their 50s, 60s and 70s.
06:41So this is a useful guide to have this facial reconstruction.
06:45But what I would say is,
06:48this is a depiction of what that person might look like.
06:51It's only a guide.
06:55But despite detectives' best efforts,
06:59a decade later,
07:00and the identity of the man and what happened to him is still unknown.
07:07We've previously disclosed that the date range that we were looking for
07:10is between 1995 and 2005.
07:13However, through working with many different experts,
07:16we've been able to overlay all their expertise,
07:19and now we firmly believe that that male
07:21would have been left to that location between the years 2004 and 2011.
07:28Because of the delay and the time where we believe that that body was left
07:33and the time that we got notified,
07:35we don't have the benefits of a traditional crime scene.
07:38We're now ten and a half years on,
07:41and we're still no closer to identifying who that victim is.
07:45It's vitally important that we identify who this person is,
07:49who does this loved one belong to,
07:51and from then we can start other lines of inquiry
07:55to identify how he's come about,
07:57his demise, and who was responsible.
08:05And I'm now with Detective Superintendent Chris Bell
08:08from North Wales Police.
08:09You saw from the film there, Chris.
08:11Remind us why you are treating this as a murder investigation.
08:15Good morning, Ralph. Thank you.
08:16So we're treating this as a murder investigation
08:18because back in November 2015,
08:21two witnesses discovered almost a full human skeletal remains in a forest.
08:28Well, let's have a look at the area itself where he was discovered.
08:30This is the map here.
08:31Just talk us through what that area would have looked like.
08:34The brothers who discovered it were looking for firewood for camping.
08:39We've got a main road coming along here,
08:42and then you've got a forestry track.
08:44So this is less well-trodden.
08:47This is a fairly, well, popular route.
08:52What have you managed to work out about the individual?
08:54So we believe from all the experts that he was Caucasian,
08:57that he was born between 1950s,
09:00and that's based on carbon dating.
09:02We also believe that he was between 5'8 and 5'10 1⁄2,
09:07that he was heavy-billed.
09:09And we also believe that he would have had arthritis in his spine.
09:13So he would have known that he was uncomfortable.
09:16Maybe his friends might not have known,
09:18he might not have mentioned it to anybody,
09:20but that might have been a feature that somebody remembers.
09:22And we can see here, you've got three different images that experts have created,
09:26but three different age profiles of what he may possibly have looked like.
09:31On the left, we've got him as if he was in his 50s, then his 60s, then his 70s.
09:37Obviously, we've only got the skeletal remains,
09:39so this is an expert's interpretation, depiction of what he would look like.
09:44I'd like to stress that if the other things that I've mentioned is height, his age,
09:50if they resonate with people and they think they may know who it is,
09:53but he doesn't necessarily look like this,
09:55please don't use that as a reason not to contact us.
09:57We want to hear from everybody.
09:59If they think that somebody's gone missing between 2004, 2011,
10:03anybody's friends, anybody's loved ones, please call us.
10:07I'd also like to stress, if I may, that we're looking for the victim,
10:10and this is not the suspect or the offender.
10:14Yeah, it's really important to make that.
10:16And we heard from the film there, and you've touched on it already,
10:18but the dental work, that is a vital lead for you, isn't it?
10:22And it could really help this investigation.
10:24Yeah, correct.
10:24So we believe that he's had missing back teeth in his younger years,
10:29and some of the dentist work that you can see here now,
10:33he's had some crown work to a high quality.
10:36That work was seen in the late 80s, 90s, through to the early 2000s,
10:41and we firmly believe that if you were the dentist,
10:44you would recognise your work.
10:47It's quite unique, so if there's any dentists watching this,
10:51I would encourage you, please contact us if you recognise your work.
10:55Yeah, and also some clothing was found at the time.
10:58It was in a state of disrepair because it had been disintegrated over many, many years,
11:04but you've managed to piece together what it would have looked like.
11:06So we've worked with Pringle, they've been able to tell us that this jumper was an exact copy of what
11:14we found.
11:15They stopped manufacturing this in 2004, so it must have been worn by somebody or purchased by them prior to
11:232004.
11:25We also found some underwear.
11:28That was Marks and Spencer's underwear, and from the label, we were able to say that it was a large
11:33size,
11:33again, indicative of what the experts are saying, that our male would have been a heavier set male.
11:39So today, who do you want to hear from?
11:41We want to hear from friends, family, anybody who's got an idea, neighbours, loved ones,
11:47anybody who went missing between 2004 and 2011, that you think it could be him.
11:53But it is a murder investigation.
11:55If anyone has information about the murder itself, there is a Crimestoppers reward.
12:00Of course there is, yeah. There's a £20,000 Crimestoppers reward.
12:03I'd like to emphasise that if anybody's got any information that can help us lead to identifying the offender,
12:10which results in a conviction, then you will be eligible for that £20,000 reward.
12:14Chris, thank you.
12:16If you have any information that can lead to an ID of this man, please do call.
12:22The contact details are on the screen now.
12:25We're going to talk now about Scotland's most prolific catfisher.
12:30So this is a woman who posed as a male doctor and then deceived over 100 women.
12:36It's an extraordinary story.
12:37It's actually on iPlayer now, so you can watch the documentary.
12:41But let's have a quick look at it.
12:44Time went so fast and I didn't sleep.
12:49Like, I was sitting on my phone looking for things and my laptop,
12:53and it was like before I knew it, we were on to like 5, 6 in the morning
12:56and then I'd have a quick sleep and then I'd wake back up again
12:58like I was consumed by it all.
13:06It's well worth a watch.
13:07We're joined now by criminologist Dr Elizabeth Carter
13:10and also Abby Draper, who you saw there in the documentary.
13:13Thanks so much for coming in to talk about this.
13:15It is an extraordinary case.
13:17It's one, Abby, you had experience with.
13:20So first of all, can you just explain what is a catfisher,
13:23for those who don't know, and how did it happen to you?
13:25Yeah, so catfishing is basically a tool that someone will use
13:28to deceive other people.
13:29And by doing that, they use other people's pictures
13:33and they could change their name,
13:35basically to create this online profile.
13:39My granddad had been taken into hospital in 2014,
13:43and whilst I was visiting him back and forth,
13:45I was actually receiving messages by someone online called David Graham.
13:50And through a few conversations,
13:51David Graham had suggested that he was my granddad's physio
13:55and actually worked in the hospital that he was in.
13:59And yeah, from there, it just kind of spiralled.
14:02Yes.
14:02So the interaction with you and this male medical expert
14:07that was messaging you started off quite normal, quite innocent.
14:12And when did you realise something wasn't quite right
14:14with what was going on?
14:15Well, David had then uploaded this beautiful flyer
14:19of having an NHS charity ball,
14:21and he was looking for entertainers.
14:23At the time, I was dancing,
14:24so I had actually messaged him and said,
14:26oh, I would love to get involved in this.
14:28And then we shared the poster,
14:30and from there, others had said,
14:33oh, how do you know David Graham?
14:34Because I also know David Graham.
14:36And then we kind of started to figure out
14:38that this person could possibly not be real.
14:42We then created a group called 007.
14:45Great name.
14:46Yeah.
14:47And then from there,
14:48we gathered more evidence to suggest
14:50that David Graham wasn't actually who he said he was.
14:52Yeah.
14:53So David Graham was actually a woman called Adele.
14:55Yeah.
14:55Who was actually a nurse in the hospital,
14:59so not a doctor looking after your granddad, a nurse.
15:02And Dr. Carr, can I just bring you in at this point?
15:04Why do people do this?
15:06Because this wasn't financially motivated.
15:08No, this is quite an extraordinary story.
15:10Although it's not financially motivated,
15:12it still is reward-driven.
15:13It's all about the emotional reward that you get from it.
15:17So you get the love and attention,
15:19also the psychological need.
15:21You get the power and the control and the influence.
15:23And also you have this more experience-based reward.
15:27So it's all about the thrill of getting away with it,
15:29particularly where there's this in-person element as well.
15:33Endorsement saying, you know, I'm a doctor.
15:35You know, all that credibility you get from that.
15:38So it's really designed to influence individuals
15:41on that personal level.
15:43So we've seen many cases where scammers
15:46will pretend to be someone else
15:47in order to get money out of someone, for example.
15:49But this is slightly different,
15:51but it's still incredibly dangerous.
15:53Why?
15:54It's extraordinarily dangerous.
15:55And in this case, and in many others like it,
15:58although it's quite rare,
15:59it does follow this pattern for escalation.
16:01So we see, you know, the love bombing to start with,
16:04you know, pretending to be somebody else.
16:05But then we move into stalking,
16:07online deception,
16:08and then also sexual coercion as well.
16:11This is an incredibly dangerous escalation
16:13and it continues.
16:14It's all about power and control.
16:16And what's incredible about this
16:17is how sophisticated it was
16:19because there might be people at home going,
16:21well, hang on, how did you not realise it was a woman?
16:23But it was, she was using a voice app
16:25to change her voice into a male voice, wasn't she?
16:27And there was so many women connected to this,
16:30which you found out through your group
16:32and took to the police.
16:33Yeah, and I think as well,
16:34Adele was very good at manipulating people as herself.
16:38So she was also given the credibility
16:40that David Graham was real
16:41by saying that David was her cousin
16:43or she knew David
16:44and almost validating to people that David was real.
16:48Yeah, it's worth explaining that to people.
16:50So Adele, separately to this persona she created of David,
16:53was then also messaging you,
16:55was meeting some of the women
16:56and saying, oh, David's really lovely.
16:58I know him.
16:59I'm backing up the story that she'd created.
17:01And Adele just looks like a very normal woman,
17:04could be one of your mates.
17:05Yeah, you were a believer.
17:06Yeah, so you totally believed her
17:07and you could see how that would then happen.
17:09But you took it to the police
17:10and then what happened?
17:11Took it to the police
17:12and then after a few years,
17:15more victims came forward.
17:16So we were building a big case here
17:18and eventually in 2017,
17:20she was put in prison
17:22and she was charged.
17:25And yeah,
17:26then it kind of escalated from there as well.
17:29And some heavy charges as well.
17:31So we've got stalking,
17:31as you said, Dr Carter,
17:32stalking, deception and sexual coercion
17:35were the charges.
17:36She was actually put in prison.
17:37So was that the end of it?
17:39No, unfortunately it wasn't.
17:41She has came out a few times now.
17:44We're now on the fourth time
17:45she's been put in prison.
17:46Every time she comes out,
17:47she actually does re-offend
17:48and she re-offends to previous victims
17:51and also new victims
17:52and things do escalate even more
17:55and they do get worse.
17:56Yeah, that's the thing here.
17:57It's that escalation,
17:58as you mentioned, Doctor,
17:59and that's really scary for people
18:02how bad it got.
18:03And I imagine people
18:03a lot of felt shame,
18:04they didn't want to talk about it.
18:06It's all designed
18:07to make you feel ashamed,
18:08like you've done something wrong,
18:10like you're trying to tarnish
18:11the reputation of the person
18:12who's actually attacking you.
18:14And the speed of re-offending
18:15is incredibly important
18:17as well as the escalation.
18:18And we find in this case
18:19that victims that have pushed back
18:21have got this incredible,
18:22you know,
18:23anger towards them,
18:25aggression,
18:25and then physical threats as well.
18:27But in this case,
18:28there was some of the women involved
18:30thought they were talking to a man,
18:32they were exchanging explicit images
18:34because they thought
18:35they'd struck up a relationship
18:37with someone,
18:37which of course they had not.
18:39Psychologically,
18:39there's a big impact
18:41that something like this
18:41could have on so many people.
18:43Huge.
18:44Well, you feel incredibly vulnerable.
18:45You're at your most vulnerable state,
18:47you've exchanged intimate messages,
18:48images,
18:49but these were coerced out of you.
18:51In any other situation,
18:52you would definitely have said no.
18:54So that feeling
18:54that you've been used and abused
18:56is very real.
18:56Even though there's no financial harm,
18:58the psychological harm
18:59is incredibly devastating.
19:01And what amazed me
19:02in this story as well,
19:03and I mean,
19:03Abi, you play an incredible role in it,
19:05Detective Draper,
19:06pretty much throughout,
19:07but she turned on you at one point
19:09to make you look like you
19:11were the person
19:12doing something wrong,
19:13didn't she?
19:13Yeah, on the third occasion,
19:15I had spoke to Adele on the phone
19:18and she was even heavily
19:20manipulating me as herself
19:21to make me feel like
19:22I had got this wrong
19:24all these years
19:25and it wasn't her
19:26and I wanted to create
19:28this full thing
19:29and this was all on me
19:30and I actually did sit back
19:31at one point and thought,
19:32have I created this full drama
19:34and she doesn't deserve
19:35to be in prison
19:36and this is all on me?
19:37Classic gaslighting.
19:38Yes.
19:38Trying to flip it the other way.
19:40It worked for a little bit
19:41because I did feel like,
19:43oh gosh,
19:43but then I was like,
19:44actually, no,
19:45like, this is your...
19:46Well done as well
19:47for doing that.
19:48It's incredible, the story.
19:49I mean, it's really
19:49as well worth the watch.
19:50Yeah, it really is.
19:52Well, thank you so much
19:53for coming in
19:53and talking to us, you two
19:54and I'll tell you what,
19:55stick around for the rest of the day.
19:56I think we could use these two
19:57with some of our appeals.
19:58We could actually.
19:59These two together.
20:00We'd solve plenty.
20:01Yeah, definitely.
20:02Thank you so much.
20:03Now, talking of abusive trust,
20:06how a friend of an elderly couple
20:07offered to be their bookkeeper
20:09and ended up stealing
20:10nearly a million pounds from them.
20:14Within the space of a year,
20:16all the money was all transferred,
20:18leaving them penniless
20:19so they can't pay for their care.
20:2118,000 pounds goes into your account.
20:23The next day,
20:25nine and a half thousand pounds
20:26goes to your account.
20:27It's a crazy amount of money.
20:29She has taken advantage of them
20:30when they are at their most vulnerable.
20:43In September 2023,
20:45Detective Sergeant Katie Lewis
20:47from the Thames Valley Police Fraud Unit
20:49received a call from a bank.
20:52They were concerned
20:53that a large sum of money
20:55had been moved out
20:56of an elderly customer's account.
21:00That was sufficient for us
21:01to request a safeguarding visit.
21:04So an officer went to the house
21:05where the victim was believed to live,
21:08but we identified that she had been in care
21:10for the last four years.
21:11To protect the identities
21:12of the two elderly victims,
21:14we have changed their names
21:16to Catherine and James.
21:18We spoke to Catherine's care home.
21:21They informed us
21:21that she did have a husband called James,
21:23but he was in a separate care home
21:24and a bit further away.
21:27Police found out
21:28the couple used a woman
21:29called Susan Brewland
21:31to help them with their finances.
21:33Susan was a bookkeeper
21:34and really was a close
21:37and trusted friend
21:37of Catherine and James.
21:41Susan obtained
21:42a power of attorney for James
21:43back in 2017
21:45and in 2018
21:47she obtained it for Catherine.
21:49A power of attorney
21:50gives a person
21:51the legal authority
21:52to make health,
21:53welfare and financial decisions
21:55on behalf of someone else.
21:57Police could see
21:58Susan had been withdrawing
22:00regular sums of money
22:01from Catherine's account.
22:03The intel itself
22:04raised concerns
22:05and flags for me
22:06but we need to ascertain
22:08if we think it is
22:08a criminal offence.
22:10So the biggest inquiry
22:12was with the banks
22:14and it showed
22:16quite a complicated money trial
22:17that money was moved
22:18between different accounts
22:19so we had to work out
22:20where the money had gone
22:22and what it had been used for.
22:24In 2019,
22:25James and Catherine
22:27had both moved
22:28into care homes.
22:30The fees
22:31are quite high
22:32so Susan
22:33sold the house
22:34on their behalf
22:35which is
22:35in keeping with
22:36being a power of attorney
22:37and it's quite normal practice.
22:39The money from that sale
22:41was divided
22:42by Susan Bruland
22:43into two accounts.
22:45£300,000
22:46for Catherine
22:47and the same for James.
22:48The aim
22:49was to pay for their care.
22:52For the first few years
22:53all the finances
22:54were in order
22:54there was nothing untoward.
22:56she was paying
22:57the care home fees
22:58and everything
22:59was as you'd expect.
23:03But then
23:04in August 2022
23:05two lots
23:06of £19,000
23:08was transferred
23:09to Susan
23:10titled
23:10toiletries.
23:13I think
23:14anyone
23:14would look at that
23:15and think
23:16£40,000
23:16is a considerable
23:18amount of money
23:19to be spending
23:19on toiletries
23:20when somebody's
23:21in a care home.
23:22A month later
23:23it happened again
23:24and another £18,000
23:26was transferred.
23:30It really changed
23:32from about
23:32January 2023.
23:34Lots of round amounts
23:35every month
23:36on average
23:37about £20,000
23:38at a time.
23:40Susan made it
23:41a little bit more
23:41complicated
23:42by moving money
23:43between accounts
23:44so even between
23:45James and Catherine
23:47themselves
23:47potentially
23:48in a bid
23:50to avoid
23:50any concerns
23:51from the banks.
23:54In fact
23:55Susan transferred
23:56over £550,000
23:58into her own
24:00business accounts.
24:01She then went on
24:03to liquidate
24:03the couple's
24:04investments.
24:06Within the space
24:07of a year
24:07all the money
24:08that James
24:09and Catherine
24:09had which was
24:10substantial
24:10was all transferred
24:11from the bank
24:12accounts leaving
24:13almost nothing.
24:15On the 17th
24:16of January 2024
24:17she was arrested
24:18at her home.
24:22Susan Brulin
24:24Tenswelli
24:24please.
24:25Can we come in
24:25please?
24:28We've got a warrant
24:29from the court
24:30for your arrest
24:32and to search
24:32the house.
24:34So
24:36at this point
24:37601
24:37I'm arresting you
24:39on suspicion
24:40of fraud
24:41and money laundering.
24:42You do not have
24:43to say anything
24:44but it may harm
24:44your defence
24:45if you do not
24:46mention when
24:46question something
24:47that you later
24:48rely on in court.
24:49Anything you do say
24:50may be given
24:50in evidence.
24:51She lived on her
24:52own in a rented
24:53property
24:53but there was
24:54absolutely nothing
24:55to suggest she
24:56had used that
24:56money to buy
24:57herself
24:59anything high value.
25:02On the 28th
25:03£18,000
25:04goes into your
25:04account.
25:05The next day
25:06£9,500
25:07goes to your
25:08account.
25:09The following day
25:10£22,000
25:11goes to your
25:11account
25:12and so on
25:12and so on.
25:13She claimed
25:14she had an
25:14agreement to pay
25:15off her loans
25:16and debts
25:16by borrowing
25:17this money.
25:18Was there
25:19any terms
25:19as to what
25:21the money
25:21was to be
25:22used for?
25:23It was to
25:23help me get
25:24through and
25:24get the pub
25:25up and running
25:26and get me
25:27to follow my
25:27dreams.
25:28And that's
25:28what she
25:28agreed to?
25:29Yeah.
25:30OK.
25:32Catherine just
25:33wouldn't agree
25:33for it to all
25:34be taken.
25:35It's a crazy
25:35amount of money.
25:37We know
25:38around that
25:39time Susan
25:40had personal
25:40problems,
25:41the issues
25:42with her
25:42business
25:42and she
25:43has used
25:44all her
25:44money to
25:45help herself,
25:46leaving them
25:47penniless so
25:47they can't
25:48pay for their
25:48care.
25:49I need to
25:50sort it out,
25:51I'm trying to
25:51sort it out,
25:52I'm trying to
25:52get everything
25:54on an even
25:55keel.
25:57She told
25:57police she
25:58had bought
25:59£150,000
26:00worth of
26:00cryptocurrency
26:01but that she
26:02had been
26:02defrauded
26:03and was trying
26:04to get it
26:04back.
26:06I'm surprised
26:07knowing her
26:08background in
26:08her profession
26:09that she
26:09allowed it
26:10to happen
26:10but she
26:11didn't want
26:12to exceed
26:13reality of
26:13the problem.
26:14Would you
26:15care to
26:15venture a
26:16guess as to
26:17how much
26:17money you've
26:18taken?
26:22I don't know.
26:24That was in
26:25excess of
26:25£900,000.
26:27Wow.
26:32I expected
26:33more remorse,
26:34I'll be honest.
26:35There was never
26:36any point when
26:36she said,
26:37I'm really
26:38sorry, I can't
26:39believe I let
26:39this happen
26:39but there's
26:40words didn't
26:41come.
26:42She has taken
26:43advantage of
26:43them when they
26:44are at their
26:45most vulnerable.
26:46Having taken
26:47over £900,000
26:49of her friend's
26:50money, Susan
26:51Brulin was
26:52sentenced to
26:52five years in
26:53prison for two
26:54counts of fraud
26:55by abuse of
26:56position.
27:00Sadly,
27:01Catherine passed
27:02away a few weeks
27:03after we started
27:03the investigation.
27:05James is still
27:07alive, he's in
27:08care.
27:08but I'm really
27:09glad that they
27:10have no idea
27:11that this
27:11happened.
27:12I would hate
27:13to think of
27:13the emotional
27:14impact it would
27:15have on them
27:16knowing that
27:16someone who is
27:17really close to
27:17them has abused
27:18their trust.
27:23Exactly that,
27:24a massive abuse
27:25of trust and a
27:25huge amount of
27:26money but I'm
27:27glad the
27:27detectives got a
27:28result there.
27:29Now I'm joined
27:30by Detective
27:31Sergeant Maria
27:32Isom from the
27:33South East Regional
27:34Organised Crime
27:35Unit who's
27:36urgently looking
27:36for the
27:37whereabouts of
27:38this man,
27:39Charlie Salisbury.
27:40Maria, what can
27:41you tell us about
27:42this man that
27:43you're after?
27:44Yes, Raph,
27:45this is Charlie
27:46Salisbury.
27:47He is wanted by
27:48us for offences
27:49of conspiracy to
27:50supply class A
27:51drugs and
27:52associated money
27:53laundering offences.
27:55We last spoke to
27:56Charlie on the
27:5718th of May
27:582021.
27:59We went to his
28:00home address in
28:01Bicester, which is
28:02in Thames Valley,
28:03and we conducted a
28:04search warrant there.
28:05Unfortunately,
28:06Charlie was not
28:07present.
28:08He did call us up
28:08though and he said
28:09he would hand
28:10himself in.
28:11Unfortunately, he
28:12never did and we
28:12haven't spoken to
28:13him since.
28:14So that's five
28:15years almost.
28:16Exactly.
28:18Okay, let's try and
28:19find him.
28:19What does he look
28:20like?
28:20Give us a
28:20description if you
28:21can.
28:21Yes, so Charlie
28:22is 34 now.
28:24He's about 5'7".
28:25He previously had
28:27either cropped
28:27hair, you can see
28:28in this picture, or
28:29slightly longer hair.
28:31He does have some
28:32very distinctive
28:33tattoos.
28:33So he has a
28:35tattoo of a
28:36koi carp and
28:37also a dragon.
28:40You can see a
28:40large one on his
28:41calf there, can't
28:42we?
28:42Yeah.
28:43Yeah.
28:43Another sleeve on
28:44his arm.
28:45Yeah.
28:46Charlie grew up in
28:47the Hayes and
28:48Hillingdon area, so
28:49North London.
28:50As I said, he was
28:52actually living in
28:53Bicester at the time
28:53that we did the
28:54search warrant.
28:55We know that
28:56Charlie is an avid
28:57Queen's Park Rangers
28:59football fan.
29:00Okay, so good
29:01clues.
29:02If anyone thinks
29:03they know where he
29:04might be.
29:05He was actually part
29:06of a wider gang,
29:07wasn't he?
29:07Yeah.
29:07That have been
29:08arrested.
29:09Yeah, that's
29:09correct.
29:10So this is
29:10actually part of a
29:11much wider
29:12nationwide
29:13investigation called
29:15Operation Venetic.
29:16So Operation
29:17Venetic involved
29:18organised crime
29:19groups across
29:20Europe accessing a
29:22highly secretive and
29:23encrypted messaging
29:24service.
29:25In early 2020, law
29:27enforcement actually
29:28were able to get
29:29into that messaging
29:30service.
29:31And Charlie was
29:32using that.
29:33and he was
29:34using a false
29:35name.
29:36We call it
29:37handle name.
29:38His was Amused
29:39Penguin.
29:40And when we
29:42looked through the
29:42messages, we could
29:43see that Charlie was
29:44playing a really big
29:45significant role in
29:47an organised crime
29:48group, moving large
29:50quantities of cocaine
29:52at that time that we
29:53were looking into
29:53those offences.
29:54Well, it's a huge
29:55job and I know that
29:56some have been
29:56sentenced already.
29:57Yes, that's
29:58correct.
29:58So he was part of
30:01a bigger group of
30:02six individuals.
30:03All of those people
30:04have now been
30:05convicted, either
30:07found guilty or
30:07found guilty at
30:08trial.
30:09The combined
30:10total sentencing
30:11is about 30
30:12years.
30:14Two of those
30:15defendants were
30:16found guilty of
30:17money laundering
30:18offences and one
30:19of those was
30:20Charlie's ex-partner
30:21who he has two
30:22young children with
30:23at the time.
30:25So it's five
30:26years, a long
30:26time to be on
30:27the run.
30:28Where do you
30:28think he could be
30:29now?
30:29Who are you really
30:30appealing to?
30:31So I think he's
30:32probably been
30:32supported.
30:33By wider
30:34associates in
30:35the criminal
30:35network, we
30:37think it's
30:37possible that
30:37Charlie left
30:38the UK and
30:39is possibly in
30:40southern Spain.
30:41So our
30:42appeal today is
30:43really to those
30:44people that might
30:45recognise Charlie
30:45that can come
30:46forward.
30:47But more
30:48importantly, we
30:48are trying to
30:49appeal to
30:50Charlie himself.
30:51He has, as
30:52said, two
30:53young children
30:53here.
30:54It's fair to
30:55say that the
30:55other defendants
30:56that have been
30:56convicted are now
30:57on probation.
31:00So that's
31:01interesting.
31:01So when you
31:02spoke to him
31:03last five years
31:04ago, he said
31:04he was coming
31:05into the police
31:06station.
31:06He didn't
31:07turn up.
31:07Those that
31:08were dealt
31:08with then have
31:09done their
31:10time and come
31:10out.
31:11Yeah.
31:11So had Charlie
31:12done what he
31:13said he was
31:13going to do,
31:14he'd probably be
31:14out spending time
31:15with his children
31:15right now.
31:17So it's really
31:18important that he
31:18just gets in
31:19contact with us and
31:20we can make those
31:21necessary arrangements.
31:22Maria, thank you.
31:23Well, let's try and
31:23make that happen.
31:24If you know this
31:26man, if you know
31:27where he might be,
31:28remember it's
31:28Charlie Salisbury.
31:29Charlie, if you're
31:30watching yourself,
31:30get in touch.
31:31We want to hear
31:32from you.
31:32We made it easy.
31:33The number's at the
31:33bottom of the
31:34screen.
31:34Give us a call,
31:35tell us where you
31:36are and we can
31:37make the necessary
31:38arrangements.
31:38But if you can
31:39help locate him,
31:40do get in touch.
31:42Yes, please do.
31:43Now, how a charity
31:45pay tribute to those
31:46officers who have
31:47fallen in the line
31:49of duty.
31:52Every day,
31:53police officers up
31:54and down the
31:54country put on
31:55their uniform and
31:57put themselves in
31:58dangerous situations
32:00or at harm's
32:01way.
32:03Most often, they
32:04come back home and
32:05go back to their
32:05loved ones.
32:06On small occasions,
32:08some officers don't
32:09make it and what
32:11they leave behind is
32:13shattered lives of
32:14families and loved
32:15ones that don't see
32:16them come back
32:17home.
32:22I'm Vinnie Waggiani.
32:24I'm a detective
32:25inspector at Kemp
32:27Police and I've been
32:28a police officer for
32:2920 plus years.
32:31In the early years of
32:33my career, I really
32:35felt the
32:35vulnerabilities.
32:37I never knew if
32:39someone was going to
32:40pull out a knife and
32:41stab me.
32:42When I do have
32:43conversations with my
32:44wife, she feels the
32:46fear when I leave the
32:48front door.
32:53In 2011, we lost a
32:56police officer who
32:57was killed.
32:58A colleague of mine
32:59felt he had to do
33:01something to raise
33:02some money for the
33:03two children that were
33:05left behind.
33:06His vision was to
33:08get groups of people
33:09to climb mountains and
33:13when they got to the
33:14top of the mountain,
33:15they would light
33:16lanterns to remember
33:18the fallen officer.
33:21That's where Light the
33:23Lakes was born.
33:27On an event day,
33:29people will gather and
33:31they'll start getting
33:32ready with their hiking
33:33boots and start making
33:35the steady paces to scale
33:37the mountains that
33:38they're going to climb.
33:40During the journey of the
33:41mountain climbing, there'll
33:43be laughs, there'll be
33:45tears, and as we get to
33:47the top, there's a sigh of
33:49relief that we've got
33:50there.
33:51The feeling is hard to
33:53explain when you get a
33:54moment of silence and
33:56then at three o'clock in
33:57the morning, you start
33:58seeing lights lighting up
34:01from each peak to each
34:02peak.
34:03And it's that moment where
34:05people feel connected.
34:07And every year, when I
34:09light the flare, I have
34:12that same feeling of
34:13goosebumps, that
34:16peacefulness and that
34:17moment of reflection where
34:19you're just remembering
34:20police officers that have
34:21died.
34:25There'll be a moment where
34:26I will roll call all the
34:29police officers that have
34:30died during that year on
34:32duty.
34:35Daniel Golding from
34:37Metropolitan Police.
34:40Daniel Gower from
34:42Hampshire and Isle of
34:43White Constabulary.
34:48Richard Kemp from
34:51Lancashire Constabulary.
34:54Steve Creel from
34:56Sussex Police.
34:58Bruce Lister from
35:00Hertfordshire Constabulary.
35:11The event provides an
35:13opportunity for quite a lot
35:15of people where losing a
35:17loved one is still raw.
35:21And the journey to the top
35:23of the mountain gives them
35:25a sense of peace.
35:31We partnered with a charity
35:34who support the family of
35:36fallen officers.
35:38And we've seen the numbers
35:41of participants grow as the
35:43events grown year by year.
35:47Light the Lakes gives people
35:48an opportunity to connect.
35:50And as part of that
35:51connection, we're able to
35:52remember our fallen officers
35:55together.
35:55And it's that togetherness
35:57that allows us to create
35:59stronger healing powers.
36:03Such an important cause, isn't
36:04it?
36:04And I'm delighted to say they
36:05have now raised over £200,000
36:08through those walks, which is
36:10brilliant.
36:11So well done.
36:12Now in the studio, we have
36:13some very special guests with
36:15us.
36:15Lucy McLeod is the Borough
36:17Commander for Hammersmith and
36:18Fulham for the London Fire
36:20Brigade.
36:20And she's brought with her
36:21the beautiful well-being dog
36:23Blue.
36:24Lovely to see you both.
36:25Thank you for coming in.
36:27Lots to chat to you about
36:28Blue.
36:29But first of all, tell us a
36:30bit about you because, I
36:31mean, I can't believe the
36:32figures on how many women
36:33there are as firefighters.
36:35It's only 8%, isn't it?
36:36You're one of them.
36:37You've done really well.
36:38You're one of the most
36:39senior.
36:40What was your journey?
36:42So I joined late.
36:43I didn't think it was a job
36:44for me because it was never
36:46put out there.
36:48I joined at 29.
36:48I started as non-operational,
36:50became operational.
36:52And that's almost 17 years
36:54ago.
36:54And I'm trying to influence,
36:56you know, women to join the
36:58service.
36:59It's really important.
37:00We're lucky in London where
37:02we've got slightly more than
37:038%, 10%, but still it's not
37:05really enough.
37:06And one of the ways that I'm
37:07hoping to do that is by...
37:10Oh, you've got a book?
37:11Yes.
37:11A book.
37:11It's you and Blue.
37:12A book.
37:12Yeah.
37:13So what I realised, sorry,
37:14what I realised was there's
37:16no real representation in
37:17children's books with women
37:19firefighters.
37:21So I'm hopeful that that will
37:24help.
37:24Yes.
37:25And you've got a really senior
37:27job, haven't you, as well?
37:28So tell us a bit, did you face
37:30many barriers getting to the
37:31top?
37:33I think it's really difficult
37:35because I don't look like a
37:36firefighter.
37:37So generally every day I'll get
37:39some, there are barriers with
37:40the public.
37:43But if you were to put a
37:45firefighter into AI, you're not
37:46going to get a picture of me
37:47back.
37:48So I think...
37:48So true.
37:49Yeah.
37:50So that's a barrier in itself.
37:51So having people out there as
37:53role models so that people can
37:55look and go, oh yeah, I've, oh,
37:57he loves you.
37:58I know, yeah.
37:59He's coming over to give you
38:00some love.
38:01So that people can aspire to it
38:02and if you can see it, you can be
38:03it, you can believe it, can't
38:05you?
38:05Yeah.
38:05And that's what's really
38:06important.
38:07It's so key, as you say.
38:08So tell us about Blue then.
38:10What's Blue's job?
38:11So Blue is a trauma and
38:12well-being dog.
38:13He qualified as an IK9 dog in
38:142024 and he comes with me to
38:17have difficult conversations
38:18about mental health.
38:20So we go to the fire stations
38:22and, you know, my uniform can
38:24be a barrier.
38:25So he acts as a bit of a
38:27buffer and a bridge.
38:28He'll come in just like he did
38:29with you.
38:29Yeah.
38:30And positive interactions with
38:31dogs will prove, are proven
38:33to lower your cortisol and up
38:35your feel-good hormones like
38:36serotonin and dogs.
38:38So then you might open up
38:40and speak about.
38:42Other things.
38:43Yeah, because when you came
38:44into the studio, literally
38:45everyone was round you.
38:45It was like you had cakes or
38:46something.
38:47They're the only occasions
38:48everyone will come to you
38:49like that.
38:49But it's that, isn't it?
38:51And that's what you're
38:51getting with firefighters who
38:53are maybe struggling with,
38:54you know, what's going on
38:56with work, having to do
38:56really tough stuff.
38:58Absolutely that, yeah.
38:59And it's about then me being
39:01able to have that conversation
39:02to signpost them to places
39:03that I can get help.
39:04And it's really positive.
39:06People do do that because
39:07they've opened up and blues
39:09allowed that conversation to
39:10happen.
39:11So really important stuff.
39:13Yeah, because the reaction
39:14you've had has been quite
39:15incredible, hasn't it?
39:16Yeah.
39:17And I'm one of, we've got
39:19ten dogs in London and we've
39:21got all shapes and sizes because
39:23he's very unusual looking and
39:24there's the bright blue eyes
39:25as well.
39:26Yeah, the eyes.
39:26Yeah, they just, people get
39:27drawn to him.
39:28And even, you know, the older,
39:30sort of longer in the tooth
39:32firefighters, once you start
39:33talking to them, they can,
39:35you know, they've gone and
39:36got their own help.
39:36So that's great for us because
39:37we keep them in service then.
39:39Yeah.
39:40Yes, because I know some people
39:42might be a bit like, oh, you
39:43know, that dog's not going to
39:44make a difference and think it's
39:46all a bit woo-woo and you've
39:47proven it isn't.
39:48Yeah, absolutely.
39:49And there's loads of other dogs
39:51working with the OK9 network
39:52as well, with the police and
39:55the ambulance, doing some
39:56really good stuff.
39:57So, yeah.
39:58So, I know I keep thinking
40:00saying we should get a studio
40:01dog because it just calms
40:02everyone down, doesn't it?
40:03But you have, you've done so
40:05well for yourself because
40:05you've won a big award as
40:06well, haven't you, as the
40:07most influential woman in
40:09firefighting.
40:09What, what's, what did that
40:11feel like?
40:12Yeah, that was in December and
40:14I was really grateful to get
40:15shortlisted in the first
40:16instance.
40:17There was a great group of
40:18people that I was up against
40:19and when they read out my
40:20name, I was like, oh, oh my
40:21goodness, that's me.
40:22I need to get up and get that
40:23award.
40:25I was a little bit
40:25embarrassed because it's
40:26about some of the work that
40:27Blue and I do, it's about the
40:28way I lead, it's, it's, it's a
40:31number of different things, but
40:32actually, you know, it's a
40:33great platform to be able to
40:35help more people.
40:36Yeah.
40:38There's, I'm the only woman
40:39national tactical advisor in
40:42urban search and rescue in the
40:43country.
40:45I'm the only fellow of the
40:46Institute of Search and
40:47Technical Rescue as a
40:48woman and I think there's so
40:49much more to do.
40:51So, so it gives me a real
40:52platform to be able to do
40:53that.
40:54So, so what would you say
40:55then to anyone watching this
40:57who might think, oh, hang on,
40:58maybe this is for me.
40:59What would you say to them?
41:01Come down, come down to a
41:02fire station.
41:02If you're in London, you're
41:03more than welcome to drop me a
41:06line, come and have a look, see
41:07how a fire station works.
41:09Do that.
41:10We've got some great outreach
41:12programmes that you can go and
41:13have a look.
41:13Actually, most fire services that
41:15happen down the country do.
41:16Go and have a look, see if it's
41:18for you and if you're into
41:19sports and fitness and a
41:22difference, a different thing
41:23every day, then, yeah, it's
41:25for you.
41:26Brilliant.
41:26Oh, well, thank you so much
41:27for coming in.
41:27Thank you, Lucy.
41:28Thank you, Blue.
41:28I know Rav will be jealous not
41:30to be here with us.
41:31Rav.
41:33Yes, I am very jealous, but I
41:35am hearing really good calls
41:37coming in about those human
41:38remains that were found in
41:39North Wales.
41:40So, please do keep those
41:41coming.
41:42Now, for the last time this
41:43series, we've got wanted
41:44faces.
41:49First, we have Kyle Campbell,
41:51who also uses the surname
41:52manners.
41:53South Yorkshire police are
41:54looking for the 25-year-old
41:56after he failed to appear at
41:57court following being charged
41:58with GBH with intent.
42:00His average build and height
42:01with a northern accent and
42:02links to Doncaster, though
42:03recent intelligence suggests
42:05he could be in the new
42:06Rossington area of the city.
42:09Next, Siwan Hassan, but he
42:11also goes by Siwan and
42:13Saban.
42:14He's also been recalled to
42:16prison.
42:16He's now at large.
42:17He's 42, has links to
42:18Midlands and also South
42:20Yorkshire.
42:21And last, for today in the
42:22series, South Wales police
42:23want your help to find
42:26Hakim Sarvast.
42:27Police want to speak to him
42:28about a stabbing which took
42:29place in a kebab shop in
42:30Cardiff in January this year.
42:32It left a man with serious
42:34injuries.
42:35So, if you know where any of
42:36these three men are, do get
42:37in touch.
42:38And I'm afraid that's all we've
42:39got time for today in the
42:40series.
42:40Thank you for watching over the
42:41last three weeks and for all
42:43those calls.
42:44Remember, you can catch us on
42:45iPlayer for the next 30 days.
42:47Yes, you can also watch our
42:48sister series, Crimewatch
42:49Court.
42:50That's going to be on from
42:51Monday at 10.45.
42:53Here's a little taster for you.
42:56Hello, police emergency.
43:15We'll work around the clock if it
43:16means putting criminals behind
43:18bars.
43:18It only takes that one mistake
43:20for us to catch you.
43:22Crime doesn't pay.
43:23You will be caught.
43:28It looks good.
43:29Some cracking stories.
43:30We'll be back in autumn.
43:32Until then, take care.
43:33Yeah, bye-bye for now.
43:34See you.
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43:59Bye-bye for now.