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00:00Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
00:31Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
01:03Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
01:06Yeah, I'm still having one, but I need to figure out who's going.
01:12Well, anyways, any more TikToks?
01:14It's the last day of the girls' trip, and there's been some drama, there's been some tension, but there's never
01:21enough tension to not do a TikTok together.
01:23Like, one happy family.
01:26Wait, you know what could be fun is if we have the table in the back, and some people are
01:31on the table, and then some people are on the front.
01:33I want to rejoin MomTalk, and coming on this trip, I really wanted the girls in MomTalk to see my
01:39loyalty to this group.
01:40I know a lot of things need to change in order for me to do that, and I'm trying.
01:44Yeah!
01:47Look at us, we're good.
01:49I like the formation.
01:50Does this mean after this trip, I'm officially back in MomTalk?
01:55I wouldn't say that.
01:56I think we need to take a vote.
01:57You're like, you have 12 more initiations to complete.
02:01Am I allowed to vote?
02:05I'm like, hey!
02:07To be completely honest with you, like, I initially said it as a joke.
02:11Ha ha, like, so funny.
02:12Do we need to take a vote?
02:13I think the rule is that if you willingly left MomTalk, there needs to be, like, an initiation process coming
02:18back.
02:18Should we take a vote?
02:19And they took it very seriously.
02:22All in favor, keep your hands raised.
02:29Okay, Taylor!
02:32I think everyone deserves a shot to redeem themselves, because I've been also on the other side, and I get
02:38it.
02:39I am voting for Whitney, because I feel like everyone deserves a second chance.
02:43If anyone knows that feeling, it's me.
02:44She gave me that at a really hard time, so I wanted to return that to her.
02:49All right, Demi, what's your answer?
02:50I feel like we've made a lot of strides.
02:53With that being said, I do know that there's a lot of tension here,
02:56and I have to respect that, and so this is more of a loyalty vote.
03:00Yeah, same.
03:01For Mikayla.
03:03I agree.
03:04I don't think I can make a decision off of when we go.
03:05Okay, we know Mikayla's vote.
03:07Sure do.
03:08Considering everybody else just screamed at yesterday, yeah, I'm going to say no.
03:12Macy?
03:14What if you want to vote for the independent party?
03:17What does that mean?
03:17Just nobody.
03:18But you need to say yes or no, I think.
03:22Okay, then no for now.
03:23Because there's so much contention in the group, I feel like it'll take some time.
03:26Okay.
03:28They're like, sorry, Whitney, it's not your time.
03:30That was rough.
03:32I am so glad I didn't even try to get voted in,
03:35because after watching how I went for Whitney and seeing how disappointed she looked,
03:39not worth it.
03:40Let's go home!
03:42I really think all of the other women would have voted me back in if I was good with Mikayla.
03:47I don't ever see Mikayla changing her mind,
03:49so does that mean I'm just never going to be voted back into MomTalk?
03:54I told you!
03:55It's heavy!
04:02There's no button.
04:03Oh, thanks.
04:16I'm the one you've been dreaming of.
04:20I've got everything you could ever want.
04:24Try me in your sleep, I'll bring you to your knees, baby, you're gonna believe.
04:49Like, come down more.
04:51If it falls on my face and I break my nose, I'll get enough jobs, so.
04:54What?
04:55Yeah, I need a fit to match all this fly.
04:59Yeah, I got a couple seats to my ride.
05:01We gon' slide, we gon' ride, we outside.
05:05Hello, how are you?
05:07Good, how are you?
05:07Do you want me to bring these in?
05:08I just ordered these for you girls.
05:10I can't wait.
05:12Yes.
05:12Yes, Amazon Prime's the best, because it's so fast.
05:15The best.
05:16After Arizona, I'm really excited to get into the holiday spirit.
05:19Demi is throwing a Christmas party.
05:21Cam and Layla are doing a Friendsgiving.
05:22Who do you think this is for?
05:26Let's get deep.
05:27Question for friends.
05:27I feel like this is a gift to yourself, because you love to, like, get deep with people.
05:31I do, but I got it for someone who doesn't know how to be a friend.
05:34Taylor?
05:35Yes.
05:37Here in Utah, people go all out for holidays, Halloween, Christmas.
05:41Utah just gets into, like, the homemaking aspect of anything.
05:44At my house, we always start planning in, like, August, and it's super fun.
05:47So I wanted to feel very, like, elevated, celebrating, like, the end of the year with mom talk, all we've
05:54been through.
05:54How do you feel after the trip?
05:56I know the pregnancy thing was rough.
05:58Yeah.
05:58Yeah, that was rough.
05:59It is so emotionally draining, because you can't figure out, like, what's so bad for this to work out for
06:07me and Brett, because I'm so in love with him.
06:09I want to know what it's like to do all the things with him and what our DNA would look
06:13like together and what we would create.
06:15So what's the plan now?
06:16Brett knows that he needs to, like, go get the varicose vein taken care of, and then I know—
06:20So the vein's, like, doing what?
06:22Like, what's the problem?
06:22They say it's, like, suffocating the sperm.
06:24Like, I guess they said that the chances of you getting pregnant naturally go up by, like, 20% to
06:3060%.
06:30So we're like, let's definitely take care of that.
06:33Because if you get endometriosis surgery and it still doesn't work, and he gets his surgery and it still doesn't
06:38work,
06:38like, who is the problem?
06:39Like, I don't know.
06:42Seeing Demi get emotional about her fertility struggles is breaking my heart.
06:46I know how hard this has been for her.
06:47But I'm also really glad that Demi's opening up to the group about this, because it shows that she has
06:52a really vulnerable, soft side.
06:54I know that she's been fighting, and she can come across really fiery.
06:57But the more we open up to the group about our struggles and our insecurities, the closer we can all
07:03be.
07:03So, okay, like, let's say you find out Brett is the problem and it, like, won't work.
07:07Would you do a sperm donor?
07:09No, I wouldn't, but I would allow Brett to have sex with Layla if she would carry my baby.
07:13Oh, my gosh, I'm dying.
07:14We were talking about that.
07:15She's willing.
07:15Layla offered, and I think it would be pretty painless, so it'd save us some cost.
07:20She's had an orgasm now, so she knows what she's doing.
07:23Jessie!
07:25I'm a criminal.
07:26You don't look so good.
07:29You don't look so good.
07:30You don't stay the night and as you thought I would.
07:33Be the ones who tell you how to look so good.
07:37It's been a world for everything.
07:40Ever.
07:41Hey, it's okay.
07:43It's okay.
07:45I live around.
07:47You look miserable.
07:49Is that intentional?
07:51I remember when you were.
07:53Hi.
07:54Hi, how are you?
07:55Good, how are you?
07:56Dakota and I are not living together, but we are co-parenting.
08:01I do feel like the decision to take a step back and focus on ourselves has been the best
08:05decision for us.
08:06There's really no other answers other than, like, I feel like taking a good step back.
08:13Yeah.
08:14We're fighting a lot less and actually focusing on ourselves.
08:17You look cute.
08:18Thanks.
08:18I like your outfit.
08:19Thank you.
08:20That's cool.
08:21Green looks good on you.
08:23Really?
08:23Ever, you got spiky hair, buddy.
08:26He cried the whole way here.
08:27Oh, he did?
08:28Normally, he passes out in the car, so I was like, I don't know what.
08:31That's because he was with mama, huh?
08:33But.
08:34Dude, he's so cute with his little hair.
08:37That's why.
08:38Oh, no.
08:39Wait, oh my gosh.
08:40Babe, your mom took my wipes.
08:42Are you shitting me?
08:43I'm not shitting you, remember?
08:46What do we do for me?
08:48Babe, or Dakota.
08:50That's not my fault.
08:50That's your mom's fault.
08:53You literally don't have anything.
08:55You got to remember, okay?
08:56This is a big transformation.
08:58I just, I'm trying to, like, get everything together.
09:01It's time.
09:02Uh, who'd you make your bed for?
09:04You turned to impress.
09:06That's for you.
09:07Yeah, right.
09:08What do you mean you're right?
09:10I've never seen you make your bed.
09:12It looks like shit.
09:14Someone I saw online, someone was like,
09:16Taylor and Dakota, I actually think,
09:17are truly meant for each other
09:19because they're both just so dumb and immature.
09:22I was like, wow, what a compliment.
09:24That's so funny.
09:25They both don't have wipeys, so go us.
09:27I know, that was my bad.
09:29You guys match?
09:30Oh my gosh, we do.
09:31Okay, so do I need to run and go get them then?
09:33No.
09:34Well, I do, actually.
09:35No, hang on.
09:36There's a little store here.
09:38You do?
09:39What?
09:39You do have a store here?
09:40Let's go.
09:41Yeah, follow me.
09:42This will be awesome.
09:43Yeah, have you guys been sleeping together?
09:46Yeah, we've been sleeping together still.
09:48The plan was for me and Taylor to take some space.
09:51It just never really happened.
09:54Sometimes he comes over and we have sex and he goes home.
09:59And yeah.
10:01You want anything else here?
10:02No.
10:03Are you sure?
10:03Yeah, I'm good.
10:04Do you feel like you guys still being intimate like that?
10:08Does it mess with your feelings?
10:09I don't think it helps.
10:11I enjoy it, but I don't think it helps.
10:14What are you doing all night?
10:16At my place?
10:16Yeah, when you're up, like when you don't sleep.
10:19I'm talking to you usually.
10:21Oh.
10:22It's kind of like Groundhog Day.
10:24I don't know.
10:25Nothing's different.
10:26How long are you keeping...
10:28Are you just going to bring it back tonight then?
10:29Yeah, I can just bring it back tonight.
10:30Okay.
10:31Say bye.
10:32Bye baby.
10:32See you later.
10:34Love you.
10:35Hopefully you get your pants changed soon.
10:37Okay, see you later.
10:38Alright, bye.
10:39Mama said I love you.
10:40Well, I do, but you know what I'm saying.
10:41Yeah.
10:45It's hard not to say that.
10:46I'm going down, and I can't get up.
10:50That stupid Cupid.
10:52That stupid Cupid.
10:54He's got me going down, and I can't get up.
10:57That stupid Cupid.
10:59That stupid Cupid.
11:01He's got me going down.
11:02Hello.
11:03Hi, love, bud.
11:04Hi.
11:05How are you?
11:06Good.
11:07How are you?
11:08Good.
11:08Just recovering from the girls' trip.
11:10How are you feeling about Friendsgiving and everything?
11:13Are you ready?
11:14Are you...
11:15Yeah.
11:15I'm really excited.
11:16I've been working with an event planner,
11:17and she's been literally just doing, like, everything for me.
11:20How are you feeling about Cam?
11:21I just want to know.
11:23Cam and I were supposed to host Friendsgiving together,
11:25and we got in a really bad fight a couple of days ago.
11:27He said that I was being too critical of him
11:30and pushing him away.
11:31Now I don't know if he's going to come to Friendsgiving at all,
11:33which really sucks,
11:34because everyone else is going to have their significant others there,
11:37except Taylor,
11:38because her and Dakota aren't together right now.
11:40But I feel like I'm constantly going to all of these events alone.
11:44I did invite Whitney.
11:45I do think that Whitney made strides this weekend.
11:48Okay.
11:48My one that, like,
11:49I'm having, like, a really hard time deciding on
11:51is Jen and Zach.
11:52Yeah.
11:53Especially after Arizona
11:54and finding out that, like, she's pregnant,
11:55and I'm not...
11:56I don't want to be, like, excluding her
11:58if she's going through a really hard time,
11:59because it's going to be lame, but...
12:01I know.
12:01I really want it to just be a good night for you,
12:03and I do feel like if she does come,
12:05the whole night's going to be about that.
12:07Honestly, it might be good for everyone to just see her,
12:09and maybe some conversations can be had.
12:11I mean, I feel like the core value of MomTalk
12:14is uplifting each other.
12:15Even though I'm not in the best place with Jen right now,
12:17and some of the girls aren't,
12:18I'm a super big believer in giving people second chances.
12:21This event is Friendsgiving,
12:23and we should kind of put our grievances aside
12:24and just be there for each other,
12:26and I just want her to feel included.
12:28No matter what,
12:29this group can never be all together
12:30without some type of drama.
12:32Yeah, for sure.
12:32It's, like, inevitable.
12:32Oh, I know.
12:34It's, like, how the girls should be like,
12:35well, Jen's not here,
12:36so this is going to be great.
12:37And then there's still so much drama,
12:38so at the end of the day,
12:39I feel like drama just follows this group.
12:41Yeah.
12:41Like, I didn't expect to walk away
12:42from that situation feeling like,
12:44what the hell's going on with Taylor?
12:46I felt, like, disdained from her,
12:47and I don't know if that's rooted
12:49in what she thought she heard about me,
12:52thinking that I'm, like, better than everyone
12:53and deserve more than everyone,
12:55and I don't know if it stems from that
12:57or just, like, me genuinely triggering her.
13:00Like, my success triggering her.
13:02And I don't know if she would ever admit that.
13:04She will never admit that to you.
13:06Why is there even a competition?
13:08Yeah, there shouldn't be.
13:10Going into Friendsgiving,
13:11I am anticipating seeing Taylor,
13:14and there's just been a weirdness.
13:16Like, there are so many things
13:17that are stacking up,
13:18like snide comments
13:19or the rumor that Brett cheated.
13:21The truth always comes around.
13:22It does, you know?
13:23It does, unfortunately.
13:25I've also been told that you think
13:26you deserve the biggest brand deal,
13:28and I'm curious to why you think you deserve it.
13:29I never said that one time.
13:30We saw it all in the freaking bus.
13:32Every part of you.
13:33And now you want to keep your clothes on for the first time?
13:36The leader of MomTalk World.
13:37For the first time!
13:39It's like, I genuinely feel like
13:42we need to have a conversation at this point
13:43and talk about what I'm noticing
13:47and how I feel like it's really targeted towards me.
13:51It almost, to me, is like she's
13:54wanting me to be honest
13:56about how dysfunctional my relationship is,
13:58but the truth of the matter is
14:00is it's not.
14:00It's so healthy.
14:01Our relationship is healthy as can be.
14:04Pull up, pull up, pull up, pull up, pull up, pull up.
14:06Pull up, hop in.
14:08Got no time to waste.
14:09You think you flexing on me?
14:11Woo, please!
14:12Today you're going to do it.
14:13You're going to face your fears.
14:14I'm facing all my fears this year.
14:15Yeah, I love how the car wash is on that list.
14:18Oh, my gosh.
14:19Oh, no.
14:20I want to do a car wash.
14:22I am scared of the car wash.
14:24No, your mom's still...
14:25Do you want to drive, Tommy?
14:26You want to drive through the car wash for me?
14:29Yeah, you can do it.
14:31I would not be braving this fear
14:33if it weren't for my daughter, Tommy.
14:35She loves the car wash.
14:36I've twice asked the car wash guys to do it for me.
14:39You're joking.
14:40I was like, is there anyone I can drive my car through?
14:42Mikayla.
14:42You just drive straight.
14:44That's your anxiety talking.
14:48Just look how big the hole is to drive into.
14:50It's so easy.
14:51Okay, shit.
14:52Hold on.
14:52You're completely fine.
14:53You don't need to push the button yet.
14:54Am I good?
14:55Do I go straight?
14:56Oh, right.
14:57Go right.
14:58Go right, he said.
14:59Go right.
15:02More?
15:03Oh, I think you broke it.
15:06Yes.
15:07Turn your wheel to the right.
15:08And then I'll guide you
15:09and I'll just have you straight in the right outfit.
15:12Okay.
15:13Okay.
15:13Can I put it in a jewelry?
15:15Stop talking to me.
15:16They're like, Tommy.
15:19Why is it not going?
15:22You guys.
15:26It's on.
15:27It's good.
15:28It's in neutral now.
15:29Yeah.
15:31I'm literally going.
15:33I'm literally going.
15:34She's so sweet.
15:36Dude, I'm so sweaty and so itchy.
15:38Do I go?
15:39Yeah, yeah.
15:40I'm never doing that again.
15:44Whitney just texted for Layla's Friendsgiving.
15:47What if we did a British bake-off
15:49but made it a Mormon bake-off?
15:51It could be a dessert, pie, or bread,
15:54but make it Mormon-themed,
15:56and then we can have the husband's judge.
15:57I can bring the sourdough with, like, a...
16:01You know that her sourdough was from my starter.
16:05I gave her the starter.
16:07She's going to claim that it's her.
16:08And she's using my recipe.
16:09I taught her.
16:10I'm the OG trad wife in this group
16:13because you can't be a trad wife
16:14if you don't make sourdough
16:15when he didn't make sourdough.
16:16We've officially entered the Thanksgiving season.
16:19Food, friends, baking, a trad wife's dream.
16:23Baking is huge in Mormon culture.
16:25I'm not exactly sure why,
16:27but I think it goes back
16:28to the trad wife homemaking thing.
16:30I think it's because
16:31whenever we do activities in the church,
16:33everyone brings, like, a sweet treat,
16:35like cinnamon rolls, brownies.
16:36We love to feed people
16:38with the good Lord's food.
16:42I'm not going to bring sourdough
16:43if Whitney's already bringing sourdough.
16:45It's my recipe,
16:45so it's going to probably taste very similar, maybe.
16:48Oh, Lordy.
16:49I'm going to do my own sourdough.
16:50How are you going to make it
16:51if you've never ever made it before?
16:52Sourdough is a lot.
16:53I know.
16:54You have to have a starter.
16:55I'll learn anything to beat Whitney.
16:57Oh.
16:58We have the best sourdough in.
17:07Diamond Capital S.
17:09Hello.
17:10Hi.
17:10Welcome in.
17:11How are you?
17:12Good.
17:12Good.
17:13Let me know if you have any questions.
17:15Take a look around.
17:16Okay, perfect.
17:16I can help you with anything.
17:17Yeah.
17:18I'm making a cake.
17:19I mean, I'm not a baker at all.
17:21Have you heard of a better than sex cake?
17:25Yes.
17:26Okay, but in Mormon world,
17:27it's better than what cake?
17:29Right.
17:29The first annual Great Mormon Bake Off.
17:32I'm going to be making a better than what cake,
17:34and we grew up making this at
17:36things like young women's
17:38and just different things at church.
17:40I've got the perfect thing for you.
17:42Don't lead me astray, Karen.
17:47Karen, you dirty dog.
17:50They're little penises.
17:52Are they really hard?
17:53They're natria.
17:54They are pretty hard.
17:55No pun intended.
17:56They are pretty hard.
17:57Okay, okay.
17:58And let me know if you have any other questions.
18:00I'll probably need one of these
18:02to cover it, right?
18:04Mm-hmm.
18:04I'm kind of wanting to just, like,
18:07as far as Taylor coming to Friendsgiving,
18:10I'm trying to decide if that's the place
18:12to have a conversation with her.
18:14I'm feeling a little bit frustrated,
18:17just how I felt like she was projecting
18:19her relationship onto us.
18:20Mm-hmm.
18:21And the confession at, like, um...
18:24Sunday confession with Macy.
18:25Yeah, with Macy.
18:26Demi, did you know that Macy received
18:28a confession that said,
18:30I slept with Demi's husband last year
18:32while she was away.
18:33Holy shit.
18:34Oh.
18:35This now, I'm just like,
18:36why is our relationship under attack?
18:38You know?
18:39The Sinner Sunday confessional
18:40about Brett cheating on me
18:42is very frustrating for him.
18:44This is such a dumb thing.
18:45I'm not even gonna give energy
18:46to false accusations.
18:49It's, uh...
18:49I mean, it's an anonymous,
18:52you know, tip.
18:54Those kind of things piss me off, but...
18:56Yeah.
18:56Well, you've also dealt with it
18:57for a long time.
18:58Yeah.
18:59Think about our relationship, even.
19:00Like, the things that I believe.
19:02Like, I heard that you cheated on your ex.
19:04Mm-hmm.
19:04And I heard, you know,
19:07that you were in rehab for years
19:09for, like, being a druggie.
19:11Mm-hmm.
19:11You know?
19:11Yeah.
19:11So, like, to find out the truth
19:13and to find out, like,
19:14that you didn't cheat on your ex.
19:15And, like, I know how the rumor mill works.
19:18Mm-hmm.
19:18And I've experienced it in my own life
19:20and I've experienced it
19:21with things with you
19:22that, for me, I'm just, like,
19:24the truth always reveals itself.
19:26I'm like, okay.
19:27I need to worry less about optics.
19:28I think that's kind of, like,
19:30my Achilles heel.
19:31Yeah.
19:31You know, that...
19:32Yeah, you need to figure out
19:33what that is within you
19:34because that, like,
19:36I want to completely understand you
19:38that I don't get.
19:39Mm-hmm.
19:40I don't understand why something
19:41that's not true
19:42would bother you so deeply.
19:46For me, like,
19:47I know who I am.
19:49I know the truth.
19:50Does it bother you ever?
19:51Does what bother me?
19:52Just the anonymous attacks
19:54or the random attacks.
19:55Like, does it ever get under your skin
19:58or bother you in any way?
19:58I think ketamine helped me a lot
20:00with that.
20:01Yeah.
20:02Maybe your 40th session,
20:03you'll get there.
20:04Sure.
20:05I think the reason this rumor
20:07is bothering Brett as much as it is
20:09is because he has dealt with rumors
20:10his entire life
20:11with his family
20:12in the entertainment industry
20:13and his sister being married
20:16to Larry King.
20:17He was accused of cheating
20:18on his ex-wife,
20:19which that never happened.
20:20And him being, like,
20:21an all-star Provo boy,
20:23I think people just like to talk.
20:25We're all safe.
20:25Okay, thank you.
20:26Nice to meet you.
20:27Thanks for coming in.
20:28Bye, thanks.
20:32Oh, jeez.
20:33A little bit of force.
20:34Sorry.
20:34It's like you're guilty
20:35in hiding something in Mad.
20:38Are we on the same page there?
20:39Like, you have to know
20:40deep in your core.
20:41I would never do that to you.
20:44It's the over-explaining
20:46and, like, it's like,
20:46I don't know what it is with you.
20:48But it's literally last night, too,
20:50with you being like,
20:51we love each other, right?
20:52Yeah, no shit.
20:53Why do we keep talking about it?
20:55It bothers me.
20:56I want to find out who it was.
21:02I want to know who said that
21:04because I want to go after that.
21:05You're getting, like, worked up.
21:07It pisses me off.
21:08It does.
21:09You know that I didn't do that.
21:10I would never do that
21:11in a million years.
21:12You know that.
21:14Do you not know that?
21:15The way you're reacting
21:16is a little bit confusing.
21:18If I'm guilty,
21:20this is how I'm acting.
21:29You're so easy to piss off.
21:36Hello.
21:37Come on in.
21:38Hi.
21:38Hi there.
21:39How are you?
21:40This is Scott.
21:41He's teaching me how to make sourdough.
21:42What?
21:43For our contest.
21:44Wait, you hired someone?
21:46I guess I could have had you do it,
21:47but, you know.
21:48For the Great Mormon Bake Off,
21:50Whitney has decided to make sourdough,
21:52and I have also decided to make sourdough.
21:54Take one of these
21:55and scrape off your spatula,
21:56and then I'm going to have you
21:57flip your bowl upside down.
21:59It's really healing for me
22:00to be a little bitchy
22:01and petty these days.
22:03I'm going to shape this
22:03into a burrito.
22:04It's the first thing I do.
22:05Okay, and now it's a burrito.
22:07I'm going to pick this sucker up
22:08right in the middle.
22:09Slap it.
22:10And slap it down.
22:11Yeah.
22:12And I just do that a few times
22:13until it tightens up.
22:15Ooh, that was good.
22:17Now smack it up.
22:19Oh, my God.
22:21She's getting some of her aggression,
22:22and I like that.
22:23I got a lot of aggression this year,
22:24you know?
22:25It's hard to be in the front group
22:27where I did not have a lot of aggression.
22:29Is that the tycoon?
22:30I'm really loving
22:31this dough smacking process.
22:33I'm definitely not picturing Whitney
22:35while I'm doing it.
22:36Ooh, it's looking good.
22:37It looks good?
22:38It's looking good.
22:39Maybe this is what they mean
22:40by a healthy expression of anger.
22:42Ooh.
22:43Mikayla, it's ready.
22:45Yay.
22:46Good luck to you.
22:47Hey, good luck on the competition.
22:48Thank you.
22:48I don't need it, but thank you.
22:50I'm just kidding.
22:51Wow, I like the confidence.
22:52The crunch.
22:54Oh, my gosh.
22:56Do you think there's going to be
22:58contention?
22:59Oh, it's giving?
23:01Yeah.
23:01With who?
23:03Is Jen going?
23:05I have no idea.
23:06I know Jen's invited,
23:08so if Jen's going, then Jen.
23:09So no one's heard from Jen in a while.
23:11Whitney told us on the trip
23:12that she's pregnant,
23:13and I feel like I haven't reached out
23:16to her yet because in the past,
23:18like with the whole Vegas situation
23:19and everything that she's gone through
23:20with her marriage,
23:21I have been continuously pouring energy
23:24into her and making sure she's okay,
23:25and I never get that in return.
23:27So I feel like it's okay for me now
23:29to maybe take a step back
23:30and wait for that reciprocation
23:32on her end towards me.
23:35Um, well, hopefully it'll be good.
23:38I'm in my protect the peace era.
23:40I'm in my complete opposite of that.
23:42I know.
23:55She's cute,
23:56but the other one's cuter.
23:57I'm not going to lie.
23:58Did you see it?
23:59I did.
23:59It looks perfect.
24:01Who's going to win?
24:02Whitney's going to win.
24:03Like, that is so beautiful.
24:05Is it done?
24:05Oh, it's got seven minutes.
24:06So I had this idea
24:07for the Great Mormon Bake Off,
24:09kind of like a spinoff
24:10from the British Bake Off.
24:12I'm really excited
24:13because when I offered the idea,
24:15people are into it,
24:16so I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
24:18Oh my God, the CTR looks so good.
24:20For the Mom Talk vote,
24:21did sting a little bit
24:22that Macy didn't vote for me,
24:23and that basically everyone
24:25chose Michaela's side over mine,
24:27but I'm just going to put
24:29my best foot forward
24:29and hope for the best.
24:32Oh my God,
24:34she is beautiful.
24:36I mean, it's kind of ghetto,
24:38but like...
24:38I don't know,
24:39but it gets the point across.
24:40I don't know how else to me
24:40to get Mormon-y.
24:42Yeah.
24:42Let's see.
24:43Let's see if it...
24:43Oh, does it?
24:44For the Mormon Bake Off,
24:46I am stenciling on CTR
24:47to give it that Mormon twist.
24:49Oh, looky here.
24:51I know, but I have to blow it.
24:52Here, I'll blow it.
24:53Wait, hold on.
24:54Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
24:56Rings of it, bookmarks of it,
24:59full-on shields of it,
25:00and it's for us to just remember values
25:02and morals that we want to live by.
25:04It's a huge Mormon symbol.
25:06No, no, no, not yet.
25:09Is there any truth to a rumor
25:11that Macy was behind your interest
25:15of getting into making Saragot?
25:17No.
25:19Sorry?
25:20It's the other way around.
25:23I'm the one who got Macy
25:26into making sourdough.
25:27Don't want to be scared.
25:31Perfect.
25:32I'll go get the door.
25:33I mean, it's not amazing, but...
25:34It looks great to me.
25:35Okay.
25:36Oh, what's up, dude?
25:36What's up?
25:37Come on in, man.
25:38How you doing?
25:39Good to see you.
25:39Nice to see you, too.
25:40Hi, guys.
25:41Zach's here.
25:42Hey, Zach.
25:42Hi.
25:43How are you?
25:44I've been better.
25:45Yeah, I bet.
25:46Out of respect for Jen,
25:48when we were on the girls' trip,
25:49I only told the women
25:50that she was pregnant.
25:51I didn't dive deeper
25:52into what she was going through,
25:53so I've asked Zach
25:54to come over here today
25:55because I'm starting
25:56to get really worried about Jen,
25:58and I need an update.
25:59Is that for the Friendsgiving?
26:01Yeah.
26:01Are you guys going to go to that,
26:02you and Jen?
26:03I don't know.
26:03This morning,
26:04she's been super sick.
26:05She's been throwing up,
26:06like, all morning, so...
26:07Did she get medicine at all for that?
26:09Yes, it's actually funny.
26:09We got medication,
26:10and it's gotten worse
26:11the last two days.
26:13So I just think
26:16this last year
26:17has been the hardest year
26:19of our life.
26:20And then now,
26:21it's, like,
26:22all this, like,
26:22petty drama from the girls.
26:23So it's been super, super hard.
26:26But Jen likes to put on,
26:28like, a facade
26:28that she's always happy
26:29and that everything's always okay,
26:31and no one else really gets
26:33to see the truth besides me
26:34when she comes home.
26:35And I kind of want
26:36to leave it to her
26:37to share what she feels
26:39comfortable sharing,
26:40but things got pretty serious.
26:43I mean, just to be honest with you,
26:44like, she cries, like, every day,
26:46and it's 90% related to the girls.
26:48And I'm like,
26:49Jen, like, at some point,
26:50like, I'm not trying to control
26:51who you are friends with
26:52and who you guys
26:52are not friends with,
26:53but, like,
26:54you guys have reached out.
26:55You guys have been amazing.
26:56Outside of that,
26:58it doesn't feel like anyone cares.
26:59I just feel like at some point,
27:01like, these aren't true friendships.
27:03Yeah.
27:03Some of these girls
27:04are so quick and willing
27:05to talk bad about Jen,
27:07to expose her,
27:07even get online
27:08and, like, make petty TikToks
27:10about her with the other girls
27:11or with even with their husbands.
27:14Jen is not perfect
27:15and she has made mistakes.
27:17I feel pretty defensive of my wife
27:19because I do think she,
27:20for the most part,
27:21has honestly really good intentions
27:22and has a pure heart.
27:23But the reality is,
27:24like, these girls
27:25can't trust each other.
27:26Like, they constantly
27:27backstab each other.
27:28Why do you think
27:29these girls are saying
27:30nasty things about your wife?
27:32And what has Jen done
27:33to upset them,
27:34is my question.
27:34I'll be honest.
27:35I think they are
27:36some of the biggest
27:38gaslighters that exist.
27:40Jesse and Demi?
27:41Yeah, specifically.
27:42I think Mikayla and Layla
27:43just do it
27:43because they are followers
27:45and they want to fit in.
27:46Yeah.
27:46And that's the cool thing
27:48to do right now.
27:49I think Demi and Brett
27:50specifically,
27:51they have more skeletons
27:52in their closet
27:53and more, honestly,
27:55crap to get exposed
27:56that they don't want
27:57to share their true story.
27:58And so if they can
27:59flip that narrative
28:00and talk badly about Jen
28:01or turn it back on her
28:02and make her look crazy,
28:03it covers them up.
28:05Does Jen know
28:06they're skeletons?
28:07I mean, quite a few of them.
28:10What did she find out about?
28:16Tell us.
28:17Tell us.
28:19You don't need to tell us
28:20if you don't want to.
28:22I'm trying to, like,
28:23I feel like if anything,
28:24me getting involved,
28:25like, a reoccurring thing
28:27for me is when I get involved,
28:28it causes Jen more issues.
28:30Yeah.
28:30So I almost, like, don't,
28:31like, I want Jen
28:32to show those things
28:33if she thinks it's right.
28:34Did something happen in Italy?
28:36I'm not going to say
28:36what happened.
28:37I will just say this.
28:40Apparently, Demi is going
28:41out of her way
28:42to get a cease and desist.
28:44When Zach's referring
28:45to Demi's skeletons
28:46in her closet,
28:47I'm thinking it's
28:48what Jen told me
28:49about what happened
28:50with Demi in Italy,
28:51like something about
28:53her flirting with a guy
28:55or something.
28:56I don't know.
28:56I don't know the whole story.
28:57That's all I know.
28:58Unfortunately,
28:58it just makes her look
28:59even more guilty,
29:00in my opinion.
29:01A cease and desist,
29:02like, I'm not going to lie,
29:04like, kind of makes me
29:04a little suspicious,
29:05like, did something
29:06really serious happen there
29:08that you don't want Jen
29:08to talk about?
29:09Like, what's going on
29:11right now?
29:11And it's like,
29:12if you need to go
29:12to that extent
29:13to cover up your own shit,
29:14you've probably messed up.
29:16Yeah.
29:16Like, that's the kind
29:17of people they are,
29:18but, like,
29:18their true colors
29:19are going to be exposed
29:20at some point,
29:21and I have nothing to lose,
29:23so I'm like,
29:24we can play that game
29:25if that's what you want to do.
29:37Hi, welcome into Swift.
29:39Can I just get
29:40a 32 Bloody Wilds?
29:42Add coconut cream?
29:43Of course.
29:46I finally texted Cam
29:47and asked him to meet up
29:48so we can work through
29:49some of the issues
29:50that we've been going through.
29:51I'm definitely a little nervous.
29:52I don't really handle
29:53conflict well,
29:54but Cam means a lot to me
29:56and Friendsgiving is tomorrow,
29:57so I really want to work
29:58through this with him
29:59so that he can come
30:00to Friendsgiving
30:00and be there by my side.
30:02Mom, thanks for responding
30:04to my text
30:05and being willing to, like, meet.
30:07And it's just been
30:07really hard for me
30:08to just process everything
30:10with not knowing, like,
30:11what I did.
30:14Just felt, honestly,
30:16like, just not treated
30:17that good.
30:18Things weren't great
30:19between us
30:20for the last couple months.
30:22It was hard to just
30:24go every day
30:25and just be unsure
30:26about if you love me or not.
30:28I think that I was
30:28super insecure,
30:30which I've never,
30:30ever been like that
30:31in a relationship,
30:32and so the stress
30:33just added up
30:34and then I just kind of broke.
30:36So, what else?
30:38No, I think that
30:41it's something that I do a lot
30:42in a lot of my relationships
30:44and it's something
30:44that I wasn't super aware of
30:46and that's not an excuse,
30:47but I think just,
30:48I am still super unhealed
30:49from my relationship with Faye.
30:51and I think I take it out
30:53on people around me
30:53and it's not fair to you
30:55or it's not fair to anyone.
30:57I think that I definitely
30:58have a lot of trust issues
30:59that stem from allegations
31:01of getting cheated on
31:02in the past,
31:02my childhood
31:03with my parents
31:04getting divorced,
31:05and just a very messy
31:07home life.
31:08So, I have a hard time
31:10believing people's, like,
31:11words to me
31:12and, like, saying
31:13that they love me
31:14and that they care about me
31:14and they want to be with me
31:15because I feel like just
31:16everyone ends up
31:17leaving me in the end, so.
31:23But, I'm really sorry
31:24that, like, I would do that
31:26in our relationship
31:27because you do mean
31:28a lot to me
31:30now that I'm aware
31:31of what I was doing.
31:32I really promise
31:33I'm going to be better.
31:34I'm going to be better.
31:36I still love you.
31:37That never changed
31:38for even one second.
31:41I love you so much.
31:42I want to make this work.
32:01I love you so much.
32:14I keep it real
32:15for the family
32:16for my people
32:17for my friends
32:18I keep it real
32:19for the girls
32:19boys, women
32:20and the mix
32:21I keep it real
32:22for you
32:23Hold on.
32:24Yeah, you start on the bench?
32:25It has been, like,
32:25six months, so.
32:28When did you play
32:29and what college
32:30was it again?
32:31It was, uh,
32:32community college
32:32in, uh, Washington.
32:34Oh.
32:37Was your team good
32:38at all?
32:39Yeah.
32:41Jeez, dude.
32:42All right.
32:44Gavin's one
32:45of my best friends
32:46and, uh,
32:47he actually let me
32:47crash at his house
32:49when Taylor
32:50kicked me out.
32:50He's kind of seen
32:52a lot of, like,
32:53the ups and downs
32:54and he's always
32:55just been there
32:56for me.
32:57How are you
32:58and Taylor doing?
32:59Today?
33:01I mean,
33:01it changes every day
33:02I feel like,
33:03like the weather.
33:03Yeah, dude,
33:04it does, too.
33:05Every single day
33:06I feel like is different.
33:08Is it getting better
33:09and more consistent
33:10or is it still
33:10volatile and...
33:11Yeah, dude,
33:12it's just off and on
33:13the whole time.
33:15Taylor's the one
33:16that keeps coming
33:17back to me.
33:18I mean,
33:18to be honest,
33:19it feels very unfair
33:20for me in a way.
33:22Don't keep making
33:23it seem like
33:24I'm not with you,
33:25but yet,
33:26here I am with you.
33:27I don't want my
33:28relationship to be
33:29a joke, dude.
33:30Have you had
33:31that conversation?
33:32Oh, I've tried
33:33to have it a few times.
33:34It just always
33:35comes back
33:36to Taylor
33:37bringing up Jenna.
33:38I want to be
33:39this happy,
33:40healthy couple,
33:41and I think
33:42he wants the same thing.
33:43I just feel so bad
33:44because I get triggered
33:46almost daily
33:47about the same thing.
33:49I'm going to try
33:50to be there for her
33:51in a better way.
33:52What's the better way?
33:53Because I feel like
33:53you've tried everything.
33:54Sounds like a broken record.
33:57Yeah.
33:59I don't want...
34:00I'm just being
34:00devil's advocate.
34:01Like, I love you.
34:02I would die for you.
34:03And I need to look out
34:04for you.
34:05And friends need
34:05to call you out, right?
34:06Because I feel like
34:07it's this ever-ending cycle.
34:09I do feel like
34:09Taylor has
34:10some more deep-rooted stuff.
34:12It's not just me.
34:13Yeah, she needs
34:13to work on it.
34:14Like, I think she's
34:16genuinely trying
34:17to figure this stuff out.
34:19That's great,
34:19but, I mean...
34:21Yeah.
34:21Where do you draw
34:22the line
34:22and when is enough enough?
34:24Like, I've seen it drain you.
34:26You lost a lot of weight.
34:28Lost over 40 pounds.
34:29Yeah.
34:30What's better for a child?
34:32A dismembered household,
34:33you know?
34:34Or a father figure
34:35that's concrete
34:36and cemented in self-love.
34:37Yeah.
34:37I think that's way better.
34:38It takes that selfish decision
34:40to be like,
34:42I gotta clean up my own shit,
34:44and if you wanna be there with me,
34:46for sure, if you don't.
34:47Like, I think I do need
34:48to get to a point
34:49where I'm kinda like...
34:50I just, like, stand up for myself
34:51and be a man, dude.
34:53And just be like,
34:53hey, like,
34:54I also don't feel like
34:55this is fair for me in any way.
34:57I wanna have a family one day,
34:59and I wanna be able
35:00to, like, do these things.
35:01And I wanted to be with you.
35:02Yeah, and I wanted to be with you,
35:03but if you can't do that
35:04or you don't feel like
35:05you're capable of doing that,
35:07then I...
35:08I have to, like,
35:10just take care of myself now.
35:13And you need to draw those lines
35:14and figure out
35:14when that needs to be.
35:18If we're not together,
35:20we definitely need to stop
35:21having sex,
35:22and in my eyes,
35:23it's just, it's simple.
35:24It's like,
35:25I want her to just decide.
35:26It's like,
35:27if you want this,
35:28let's do this.
35:29If you don't,
35:30don't.
35:53I'll take it.
35:54I'll take it.
35:54Friendsgiving is tonight.
35:55My sister, Safiya,
35:56and her husband
35:57are here from out of town.
35:58Jordan and Jessie,
35:59unfortunately aren't going to make it
36:00because they're in Mexico,
36:01and I still haven't heard back from Jen
36:03if she's going to come tonight
36:04with Zach.
36:04Can you put it, like, over there?
36:06Yeah, I'll put it over there.
36:06Thank you.
36:07I'm really happy that me and Cam
36:08are in a better place right now,
36:09and finally,
36:10I'm not by myself
36:12at one of these events,
36:13and don't quote me on this,
36:14but I'm actually a little bit excited
36:16for Whitney's Bake Off.
36:17It's cheesy,
36:18but I think it's going to be really fun.
36:20Hello.
36:21You look so good.
36:22Goodness, you're beautiful.
36:24Hi, Emperor.
36:25Miranda, Jake,
36:26this is my sister,
36:27Safiya,
36:28and then her husband,
36:28and Alex.
36:29Nice to meet you.
36:30Nice to meet you.
36:32You look amazing.
36:35I made a last-minute decision
36:37to not only make one thing,
36:39but to make four.
36:40Homemade sourdough loaf,
36:41pumpkin pie,
36:42sourdough cinnamon rolls,
36:44and then homemade cinnamon butter.
36:45My strategy is,
36:47if one doesn't go good,
36:48then I can just substitute
36:50the other one in
36:50and see if it gets a better response.
36:52Have you already filmed
36:52everybody else baking?
36:53I filmed Whitney.
36:55What was hers looking?
36:56I don't think I'm allowed
36:57to make any comments.
36:59losing is not an option.
37:01What are you doing?
37:02These are for
37:03all of the husbands slash partners.
37:05Is Dakota coming?
37:06I mean,
37:06I don't know why he would.
37:08Are you guys okay?
37:09No.
37:09Oh, okay.
37:10Great.
37:11We're never okay.
37:12I was like,
37:12oh, all right.
37:13Dakota has given me
37:14this ultimatum
37:15where he wants me
37:16to either fully commit
37:17or wants to fully end
37:18the relationship,
37:19but I don't really know
37:21when it's been weighing on me.
37:22Throw away his judging sheets.
37:24Spit on it and kick it.
37:25Perfect.
37:26Hi.
37:27Hello.
37:28Hi.
37:29He's Mr. Gramping.
37:31Still.
37:31He is.
37:32Yeah, he's just teething.
37:33I'm heading into Friendsgiving.
37:34There's definitely nerves.
37:36I don't know if Jen's
37:37going to show up
37:38or if Taylor's planning
37:39on coming at me
37:39like she did in Arizona.
37:41This is stunning.
37:42Honestly,
37:43I'm here to support Layla
37:44and just have fun.
37:45Okay.
37:46We are all going to go
37:48into this lovely room
37:49right here
37:49and husbands slash partners
37:51are going to judge
37:53the great Mormon bake-off.
37:56Woo!
37:58Oh, look.
37:59It's like someone
38:00made a sourdough.
38:02Wait, stop.
38:03No, you did not.
38:04No, that's not mine.
38:05That's Mikayla.
38:06Please, stop.
38:07You both have PTR.
38:09I am dead.
38:11That's embarrassing.
38:13Hashtag 20.
38:15Yeah, I made mine first.
38:16I started like two days
38:17before she did.
38:18This is what's at stake
38:19right now.
38:19Melania, thank you.
38:20Yeah.
38:21In this competition,
38:22we will be having...
38:24We will...
38:24Okay, let me start over.
38:25In this competition,
38:26our baked goods
38:27will be...
38:29Fucked.
38:30In this competition,
38:32our baked goods
38:33will be presented
38:34to this panel
38:34of esteemed husbands
38:36and boyfriends.
38:37They will be tasting,
38:38critiquing,
38:39and scoring
38:39each creation
38:40based on the flavor,
38:42the presentation,
38:43and how well it ties in
38:44to our Mormon culture.
38:46The judges will rate everything
38:48on a scale of 1 to 10
38:49and will tally up the scores.
38:51Whoever comes out on top
38:53will not only win bragging rights,
38:55they will also be awarded
38:57the coveted
38:57first annual Mormon bake-off apron.
39:00May the best trad wife win.
39:04You guys are testing
39:05four things for me today.
39:07Overachiever.
39:08Gosh.
39:08You don't get more points
39:10because you made more than one.
39:11Pick your favorite.
39:12They said I could only put in one.
39:15It's not my fault
39:15that I went above and beyond
39:17and everyone else
39:18half-assed it.
39:19Ended up ultimately
39:20going with my pumpkin pie
39:21just because it was more
39:23on brand for the Mormon theme.
39:30I'm not going to lie,
39:31those were really good.
39:31Yes.
39:32Are you ready for your judgment?
39:34Yes, chef.
39:35A 9 out of 10.
39:36Wow.
39:37The whipped cream is a no for me.
39:39I'm giving you an 8.
39:41I give it a 9.
39:42Oh.
39:43It looks like a 6.
39:48A little sacrilegious,
39:50but it tasted great.
39:51Brought me back to third grade.
39:52I should have done the cinnamon rolls.
39:54Layla, it's your turn.
39:55I made a pumpkin pie.
39:56I don't think it's cooked.
39:58It looks beautiful.
40:00Layla's presentation
40:01from start to finish
40:02was absolutely disgusting.
40:03I'm probably not going to win this.
40:05Of course, a 10.
40:06People eat raw eggs all the time.
40:08This is gluten-free
40:10blueberry coffee cake.
40:13Mormons can't even drink coffee,
40:14so yeah, I don't get it.
40:16As far as the Mormon aspect,
40:18it gets a 1 for me.
40:19This is Joseph Smith here,
40:21and he's on Hill Cumorah,
40:23and guess what's under the rock?
40:24The golden plates.
40:26It's not the lesson.
40:27I actually love a good peanut butter bar,
40:29except for the ones she made.
40:30They were gross.
40:30The texture coated the inside of your mouth.
40:33Ew, what's gross?
40:33That's a sense.
40:34Okay, saggy with cream over there.
40:36I'm going to say this grew my testimony a little bit.
40:38I had a feeling it would.
40:39This is apple pie.
40:42Dang, that's not bad at all.
40:43That's pretty good.
40:43Really?
40:44The judges all love my pie.
40:47Am I surprised?
40:48No.
40:49I spent, you know,
40:50the time going to get it
40:52and putting it in the pans,
40:53and it looks very homemade
40:54because it looks like a little, like,
40:55messed up.
40:57I'm going to give this a solid eight.
40:59Thank you, guys.
41:01Oh, boy.
41:01Get ready to live, boys.
41:03This is a better than what cake,
41:05but we're removing the taboo
41:06in the church around sex,
41:08so I threw some penises on top.
41:10Um, I'm not really getting the theme.
41:15It's reaching to me.
41:16Let's just say this cake was a total turn-on.
41:20Oh!
41:23Nine out of ten.
41:24The penises did not bother me.
41:27Forgot they were even there.
41:30I think I'm going to say orgasmic.
41:32Oh!
41:33This was a ten.
41:34Brett docked me
41:35because my hot Jesus was sacrilegious,
41:38even though he had penises
41:39all over his cakes.
41:41This right here
41:41is a homemade sourdough.
41:44I did not tell Jace
41:46what to vote everybody else,
41:48but if he knows what's best for him,
41:51to give Whitney, like, a three.
41:52Technically, that's my starter, right?
41:54No.
41:57I don't believe it for one second.
41:59This was a nine for me.
42:00Ooh!
42:01Thank you.
42:06Who's the winner?
42:07The scores were pretty close, actually.
42:11Third place is...
42:14Whitney's bread.
42:17I'm so shocked that I am in third.
42:19In second place, with 52 points...
42:24Mikayla's pumpkin pie.
42:27I got second place,
42:29which I'm fine with
42:30because if I would have lost to Whitney,
42:32I would have never lived it down.
42:34so I won
42:35in my heart.
42:38Number one
42:39with 53 points,
42:42Demise.
42:42That was sexy!
42:45Despite everything going on
42:47in MomTalk right now,
42:48these are the moments
42:49in MomTalk
42:49that just make it so fun
42:50and remind me that,
42:52hey,
42:53there's actually good here.
42:54Let's try to see past
42:55all the drama.
42:56Let's just have a good time.
42:57Congratulations.
42:58Who would have thought?
43:00First thing I've won
43:00in my entire life.
43:02I don't think I'll be wearing
43:03this apron in the kitchen,
43:04but in the bedroom,
43:06you know,
43:06you know I'll be pulling
43:07this number out.
43:10Okay, well,
43:11as much as I want to keep
43:11eating dessert all night,
43:12I don't.
43:13So let's go eat dinner.
43:13Okay, do I have to wear
43:14this all night?
43:15Yes.
43:16Penises are not Mormon.
43:17Jesus is even...
43:18Well, Jesus is Mormon,
43:19but what I did was Mormon.
43:21It was rigged.
43:22It was.
43:23It really was.
43:23I'm still salty about it.
43:27Dear Heavenly Father,
43:28we're thankful for this day.
43:29We're thankful to be
43:31together as friends,
43:31and we're thankful for
43:32the growth of our families
43:34as well.
43:34We say these things
43:35in the name of Jesus Christ.
43:38Layla, well done, sis.
43:40This is incredible.
43:41Has anyone heard
43:42from Jen at all?
43:43Are they coming?
43:44I texted her
43:45to invite her to this.
43:46She responded
43:47and said that she had
43:48to let me know,
43:48and I haven't heard
43:49back from her.
43:49She really is so sick
43:51from being pregnant, too.
43:52Yeah, every single one
43:53of us can relate, too.
43:53Yeah.
43:54We'll all hear
43:54from her, hopefully.
43:56Eventually, yeah.
43:57As much as I want
43:58to talk to Demi
43:58about the cease and desist,
44:00Zach told Connor
44:01and I about that
44:02in confidence,
44:02and I really want
44:03to respect that.
44:04It's hard because
44:05Jen needs mom talk
44:06more than ever,
44:07but I just don't really
44:09know who to trust
44:09with this information.
44:11Time will tell.
44:12All right.
44:14I feel like we're
44:15at your wedding dinner.
44:17It is.
44:18This is a surprise.
44:19Okay, wait, I'm curious.
44:21I feel like you guys
44:21have a really good way
44:22about going about things
44:23when it comes to trust.
44:24It's like the confessional
44:25we got when we were
44:26in Arizona about Brett.
44:27If I heard that
44:28about my partner,
44:29it would make me spiral.
44:33Well, first and foremost,
44:34let me just say
44:34that we have not always
44:35had the best relationship
44:38when it comes to that,
44:39and he really struggled
44:40in the beginning of our relationship
44:42without me doing anything
44:43or saying anything
44:44that would make him
44:45feel this way,
44:46just trusting me.
44:47But where we're at now
44:48is so solid,
44:49and I also like,
44:51I'm with him 24-7.
44:53He would have to be
44:54so sly and so crafty
44:56to pull something like that.
44:58He's never let Brett
44:59for more than four minutes.
45:01He only needs two.
45:04If we all had to,
45:05you know,
45:06address accusations like that,
45:09we'd be here
45:09until we were 100 years old.
45:11Yeah.
45:11It's just such a cowardly way
45:12like to do it.
45:13It's like,
45:14if you're going to say something,
45:15say it with your chest
45:15and give proof,
45:16but that's what the case is.
45:17Yeah.
45:18Sinner Sunday confessions
45:19are anonymous,
45:20so it makes it really hard
45:21to know if something
45:22is really true or not.
45:23And now,
45:24I'm honestly regretting
45:25sharing this one about Brett
45:26because it keeps
45:27getting brought up.
45:28Well, there's that,
45:29and then mine was also true,
45:30so.
45:31Oh, see,
45:32I forgot about that.
45:32It's wild to me
45:33that Taylor would have
45:34the audacity
45:35to come out my marriage,
45:36and it's absolutely clear
45:38at this point
45:38where this is coming from.
45:39It's just projection
45:40after projection.
45:41You're jealous
45:42and resentful
45:43that I actually have
45:44a good relationship
45:44and you don't.
45:59I didn't even question it,
46:00and yeah,
46:01so I guess
46:02that's where it's like.
46:03I'm not saying
46:03that's the case here.
46:04I'm just saying,
46:05like,
46:05her confessions
46:06do mean a lot to me now
46:06because it's like,
46:07the one that I blew off
46:08was true.
46:09And I was like,
46:10whoa.
46:10Do you feel like
46:11you finally got
46:12the whole truth though now?
46:13I have no idea.
46:14Do you feel like
46:15there's nothing you guys
46:15can do to earn
46:16that trust back?
46:17I mean,
46:17it's hard.
46:18That's hard
46:19after like two years.
46:20I don't know.
46:21And he's saying like,
46:23if I can't give him
46:24an answer,
46:25then he needs to move on,
46:25which I respect.
46:27He's giving you
46:27an ultimatum right now?
46:29Yeah.
46:29Saying,
46:30yeah,
46:30if you can't give me
46:31100% commitment,
46:32then I have to start
46:32moving on with my life
46:33because we've been
46:34at this for two years.
46:35So,
46:35how's he taking
46:36the accountability though
46:37and the steps to change?
46:39Could you see him
46:39being like,
46:40I really feel bad about this.
46:41I really messed up.
46:42I really,
46:42like,
46:43I'm glad I got the second chance.
46:44I feel like
46:44it's quite the opposite.
46:46I'm sorry.
46:47It's okay.
46:48I feel like I,
46:49I fight my mind
46:51with my heart
46:52because I don't know
46:53if I can trust again.
46:55So,
46:55my mind logically,
46:56big picture says,
46:57this doesn't work.
46:58It's not working.
46:59It's never going to work.
47:00I don't deserve
47:01someone who does that.
47:03My heart wants it to work,
47:05cares about him
47:06and feels like,
47:07I want this.
47:09so yes,
47:10he has his issues,
47:11but am I the problem?
47:13Like,
47:15that's fine.
47:17She's like,
47:17I'm a bad bitch.
47:18I'm good.
47:20Actually,
47:20I don't feel right.
47:21Yeah,
47:21but like,
47:22none of that matters
47:23when you're like,
47:24when someone you love
47:25does that to you.
47:26You have no idea.
47:28Sorry, Tay.
47:29Sorry, Taylor.
47:29It's so hard.
47:30It's fine.
47:32It's not,
47:32and that's okay
47:33that it's not.
47:35Yeah,
47:35none of it matters.
47:36Nothing matters.
47:37Taylor,
47:37I hope you feel validated.
47:39That's not an okay thing
47:40to happen,
47:41and it's okay for you
47:42to feel sad.
47:43Yeah,
47:43but I feel like
47:44I was awful too,
47:45so,
47:46yeah.
47:46To Dakota?
47:47Yeah,
47:48I've been awful to him.
47:49Well,
47:50it doesn't justify
47:50his actions.
47:51It doesn't justify me either.
47:53Like,
47:53I feel like we all
47:53both have valid reasons
47:55to leave at this point.
47:57It just sucks
47:57because we just had a baby,
47:58so.
47:59Taylor,
47:59do you feel like
48:00you are deserving of love?
48:03Mm-hmm.
48:08I don't know.
48:09You are.
48:10I know.
48:11You definitely are.
48:12You absolutely are,
48:14but you have to realize that.
48:15That has to come
48:16from within you.
48:20I don't want to make this
48:21about me or Whitney,
48:22but I can feel
48:23for what you're feeling
48:24right now,
48:25but in a totally different way.
48:26You know,
48:27I,
48:27a lot of you haven't,
48:28didn't meet me before
48:29all this kind of surfaced.
48:32I was a bit of an asshole
48:34and a jerk.
48:36I had a real problem
48:38and it led to something
48:40that really hurt my wife.
48:42I'm so sorry.
48:46And I'm working on myself.
48:48When Connor and I left Utah
48:51because of the whole
48:52Tinder scandal,
48:53I didn't know
48:55what was going to happen
48:56with my family,
48:57but the very first question
48:59that you have to ask yourself
49:00is,
49:01do you want this?
49:04And that's what Taylor
49:05needs to ask herself.
49:07I was given a second chance
49:09and I don't feel
49:12like I deserved it.
49:13I'm grateful,
49:14but it's hard
49:15being in the position
49:16of being rewarded
49:17a second chance
49:18and telling people
49:19that a second chance
49:20is not a road
49:21that I would recommend.
49:22It was,
49:23it was hard.
49:24You got to think long
49:25and hard about this
49:26because that two-ish years
49:29we spent working
49:30on our relationship
49:31was,
49:33it was like a forger's fire.
49:35It hurt every day.
49:37I just hope
49:38you know that
49:39I know that this is
49:40a hard decision to make
49:41and I know that
49:42you're feeling everything
49:44and all that matters
49:45right now
49:45is you trying to find
49:46that peace in your life.
49:47It's,
49:48it's worth
49:48finding that peace.
49:50So whatever it takes,
49:51just do what you got to do.
49:53Well, thank you.
49:53That was so beautiful.
50:00As much as I want
50:01to talk to Taylor
50:02and I do want
50:03to clear the air,
50:04I'm seeing that like,
50:05clearly this all
50:06hasn't been about me.
50:07This has been about Taylor
50:08and right now
50:10she needs support
50:10and love.
50:14At the end of the day,
50:15the soul of mom talk
50:16is to be there
50:17for one another
50:18and to uplift,
50:20root each other on.
50:21It's just a beautiful thing
50:23really to watch
50:24and I just hope
50:25that this continues.
50:26I need to give you a hug.
50:27I love you.
50:27Love you.
50:28Sorry.
50:29For what?
50:30I don't know.
50:31Is it being harsh again?
50:32Okay.
50:33I love you.
50:33I'm sorry that you're
50:34going through all of this.
50:35I wanted to reach over
50:36and give you a few minutes.
50:37You two just hang everyone.
50:38Like you said,
50:38I think everyone was their own.
50:40But in this moment,
50:41it was you.
50:42So I'm here for you.
50:44I love you.
50:45Sorry.
50:45Sorry.
50:46Oh, you're fine.
50:46This is just my side.
50:47It's not you.
50:48I promise.
50:48I'm like,
50:49I think it is.
50:50Just kidding.
50:51Friendsgiving started
50:52a little shaky.
50:52I was a little worried,
50:53but things are ending
50:54on a high note.
50:55I am shocked
50:56and relieved
50:57that there wasn't
50:58any drama tonight.
50:59This must be
50:59a Friendsgiving miracle.
51:05I am worried
51:06for this Saints
51:06and Sinners party.
51:08Are you ready for drama?
51:09No.
51:09Not a single one
51:10of my friends
51:10said anything
51:11on my CMA post.
51:12How quick it was
51:13to throw us all
51:14under the bus.
51:15We have a long line
51:16of all this shit
51:18that's just building,
51:19building, building.
51:19I think Taylor
51:20is a liability
51:21to mom talk.
51:22Pay attention
51:23to whose corner
51:24you're in.
51:25Demi says
51:25an atomic bomb
51:26is coming for me.
51:27I'm going to give you
51:28my group chat
51:29that has Demi,
51:30Jessie, Macy,
51:31and Michaela.
51:32It just feels
51:32like the whole group
51:33right now.
51:33Like, I don't know
51:34where we're going
51:34to go from here.
51:35Demi was like,
51:35I guess we're supposed
51:36to bow down to Taylor.
51:37She wants to be Queen V.
51:39Do we want to get into
51:40how you are
51:40behind closed doors?
51:41I just think you're fake.
51:43What's fake?
51:44Just say it.
51:45What?
51:46Fuck you, Taylor.
51:52We'll be back.
51:58See you later.
52:02Bye.
52:04Bye.
52:06Ciao.
52:08Bye.
52:09Bye.
52:09Bye.
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