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00:00I think when you're looking at the opportunity to, like, as the rest of the AFC North resets,
00:05it would be a great time to bring a new quarterback in.
00:08And I would be pretty sure that, I'm pretty sure everyone that works for the Browns front office is looking
00:13for that person.
00:14You know, I don't know if they have it in mind yet or not, but I don't know.
00:18I think you're going to get your wish if I had to, just based on some things that I saw
00:21at the combine and conversations that I had.
00:24Cynthia Freeland of the NFL Network joining us in the previous segment talking about the Browns adding to the quarterback
00:30room beyond just Shador versus Deshaun Watson.
00:34I felt like the Larry David gif where he can't, he's like battling between whether he's okay with something or
00:40not.
00:40I was like, well, all right, it's not just Shador versus Deshaun, but why the hell are you drafting a
00:46quarterback if you're just going to draft a quarterback this year?
00:49Well, but they'll add another quarterback, and maybe it'll be better.
00:51I don't know.
00:52I really, it's really tough to get behind the idea of drafting a quarterback, drafting another quarterback in another draft
01:00that is a one quarterback draft, and then being like, this guy's your starter.
01:05Well, the follow-up there was like, you know, it's like, well, how high do you think this is going
01:08to go?
01:09Like, she said high, and it's like, well, do you mean number six overall, or what do you, what exactly
01:13are you talking about?
01:14And then she made a reference to that quarterback in Miami.
01:17So, like, does she think Carson Beck is, like, some sort of big, like, awesome pick? Is that the idea?
01:22I think Carson Beck to the Cleveland Browns makes an insane amount of sense.
01:26But, like, that's not the same capital as what she was inferring to begin with.
01:30I mean, would I be surprised if the Browns took Carson Beck with pick 39?
01:34No, I wouldn't.
01:36There's a relationship with Munkin.
01:38He has played an asinine amount of college football in the biggest games.
01:43When I was listening to Cynthia talk about the Browns, the Browns love to point out, hey, we're doing this.
01:50They love to point out the models that they're following, right?
01:53Sure, sure.
01:53What was the offensive line example that Andrew Barry gave in his press conference after hiring Todd Munkin?
01:59You mean the Bears example?
02:00Yes, the Bears.
02:01And so every time they've done—
02:02He also broke down the Ravens, too, oddly enough.
02:04But every time they've done some sort of move, they've kind of pointed to a contemporary NFL kind of thing.
02:11Yeah, they like to see that it's been done before, which is funny.
02:15I mean, this goes all the way back to Bengals take McPherson in round five, and so then we take
02:20a kicker in round four the following year.
02:22Yes.
02:24Now, are they doing that because somebody else did it, or are they just doing that to explain why they
02:29did it?
02:29There is a difference between those two things.
02:32I can understand if they look at this and go,
02:36Yeah.
02:37We can't put it all into 2027.
02:39We think we can find our Tyler Shuck.
02:42And at this point, Carson Beck will be two years removed from his arm surgery.
02:47He has started X amount of games.
02:49We're going to draft him a little bit earlier under the idea he can be our Tyler Shuck or our
02:54Jackson Dart.
02:54And so one other thing that kind of matches what—and this is not the Giants, but this is the Saints
02:58in many ways.
02:58If we want to stay with New Orleans and them trying to copy or maybe see it be done somewhere
03:02else,
03:02the thing that the Saints kept telling everyone, and Aditi would point this out often, that's why it stays in
03:07my brain,
03:08the idea that the Saints just—they wanted to make sure everything was in place before they took their quarterback.
03:14Like, that was their big idea.
03:15They wanted to round it out, and obviously it didn't work out the way that they wanted,
03:17and it doesn't mean it would work out here, but that blueprint of getting everything set,
03:21all the pieces on the offense set and ready to go,
03:23and then you just kind of put Chuck in there and then kind of let him go,
03:27that was like a big thought process of theirs, and it seems like that's what the Browns are trying to
03:31do as well.
03:31Now, they've timed it out a little bit better because now you give Chuck this next full year,
03:35and if he can't stay healthy or he doesn't take a step forward, then you're in line for the 2027
03:40class.
03:41The Browns, from the second that they bungled up this Deshaun Watson trade,
03:48have perpetually been a year out of where you want to be for quarterbacks,
03:53and it feels like you're still going to be there.
03:55But, listen, I'm not a big Carson Beck fan.
03:59I'm not a big Garrett Nussmeyer fan.
04:01I'm not a big Ty Simpson fan.
04:03I think each of these quarterbacks come with a very specific ceiling
04:07that inevitably don't get you where you want to go.
04:10That said, could I understand the point of specifically at 39 or 70,
04:16taking a Carson Beck or a Garrett Nussmeyer to build the floor of your quarterback room?
04:21Yes.
04:22I wouldn't do it, but I understand if you're the Browns saying,
04:26we can't put all of our eggs in the 2027 basket, nor can we put them all in the Shador
04:32or Deshaun basket.
04:33And that's what that would be, and it would be an acknowledgement there.
04:36Now, if they took a quarterback in, I don't know, let's say 39, 70, whatever,
04:40and I don't know that Beck will go that high, but let's just play with it for a second.
04:43I love playing with it.
04:44That would tell me, more than anything we've seen, that they're not interested in Deshaun Watson
04:49being the starting quarterback or a backup quarterback or seeing the field.
04:53And again, maybe they make it a competition and it is what it is,
04:55but that buffer that you keep talking about I think exists within taking a quarterback that high.
05:00I just think it's really hard to win with all this inexperience.
05:04And I know, Andrew Barry, and he's right, just because you're young doesn't mean you have to lose.
05:10At the same point, if we're talking about a second-year, fifth-round pick as your 1A
05:16and a rookie as your either second- or third-round pick,
05:22I understand hypothetically you think you're raising the floor of that quarterback room.
05:27There's a lot of bust in that room to then turn around for a third straight year
05:32to draft your fourth quarterback in what could be a top-five pick.
05:36Did last year, though, did it just throw everybody off to a point where you look up
05:41and then you've got all these different quarterbacks not taking number one overall
05:43that are having success?
05:45Is that enough for them to think that these quarterbacks are so good
05:48and college has them prepared in such a way and they're all just kind of ready to go,
05:52even though we've debated about Ty Simpson and his readiness?
05:54But the idea that you've been trained differently.
05:57At seven years old, these kids have elite coaching, they have elite this, elite that,
06:01that maybe Andrew Barry just thinks you can do it with a second-round guy.
06:05I also can understand.
06:07So, yes, I think the answer is I think Tyler Shuck and Jackson Dart
06:11have given teams a different way to look at this.
06:14In the end, though, we're putting a lot.
06:16Listen, I know Jackson Dart had good numbers last year and a bad team.
06:20We're putting a lot in roughly, I think he played 12 games last year.
06:25When it comes to Tyler Shuck, you're putting a lot into eight or nine games from last year.
06:29A lot, a lot into these guys.
06:31And is that enough to take you off the draft?
06:33I think that's, we talk about doomsday scenarios, is the one where you see Carson Beck play eight games
06:39and he looks good, but then is he too good to take you off of the 2027 draft?
06:44Yeah, yes.
06:45And I think that's the concern.
06:47Because, again, even with Shador with this next year, it's like, okay, seven or eight games last year
06:56and let's say another, you know, 17 games this year, 24 games is still incredibly early
07:03to call it an absolute yes in a quarterback.
07:05You can pull the rug in a quarterback after 24 games very easily in the NFL.
07:09We do it with first-round picks all the time.
07:12But, like, hell, even Brock Purdy going into his contract year, winning all the games they did,
07:18there were still massive, by the way, there's still massive questions with Brock Purdy going forward.
07:22So I just think you're just in a weird position, and I do want to say that I at least
07:26empathize that
07:27with the Browns, that you are in a situation that feels tougher to win than not.
07:32So you're going to try and find a way to, I don't want to say shortcut it,
07:36but to try and find a way to at least stabilize the position.
07:39It's just hard to believe that Shador and, let's say, Carson Beck will just put names on it,
07:45that there isn't a lot of bust in that room, and that that could lead to a really tough...
07:51Because, to me, you've got to put the locker room in a position to succeed.
07:55You do.
07:56Those guys owe it to have somebody to fall back on.
07:59And that's why I've always said it's equal part Shador insurance,
08:03and it's equal part Deshaun Watson insurance.
08:06I need somebody that, if Shador's not ready to be a starter in the NFL,
08:10can plug in and play.
08:11And that also allows you to never have to see Deshaun again.
08:14I don't know Carson Beck, Garrett Nussmeyer, or Ty Simpson make me feel all rosy
08:19about the Browns in 2026.
08:21Well, I'm just trying to figure it out, because I do think there's part of the locker room
08:23that would say, Deshaun Watson, you're not giving us a real chance there.
08:27We know what you're doing.
08:28How do they position this quarterback room to make it seem like, if it does go bust,
08:33they didn't just ship 2026 down the river?
08:35I don't think you can.
08:37I think at this point it's incredibly hard.
08:38And then I think that puts Todd Munkin behind the eight ball.
08:41But this is part of the problem that I feel like a lot of fans have with this Browns
08:44regime to begin with anyway, is that it doesn't seem like Andrew Barry cares about the things.
08:48Let's say you care about it way more than I do.
08:50The idea that the locker room matters for this year, and these guys have to get into winning
08:55environments and all this other stuff.
08:56It doesn't seem like Andrew Barry cares about that at all.
08:59I would agree with you, and I really question that about Andrew Barry.
09:03I think, listen, I don't want him acting like his job is on the line.
09:07One, because I don't think it is.
09:08And two, because you can do a lot of dumb and desperate stuff in the attempts of trying
09:13to save your own job.
09:14At the same point, I do think you have to look at this situation and honor the people
09:20you have in the building, because it's not like everybody that's here this year that
09:24you're building with, pretty much everybody's going to be here next year.
09:28So this isn't like a scenario of, it's our last year of this old build, we're running
09:32into the ground, and then next year, there's going to be 40 new faces in that locker room.
09:3890% of the guys that are in the locker room that will be in the locker room in 2026
09:43should
09:43be there in 2027.
09:45And they're going to be there with a second-year head coach.
09:48And I think these kind of things do matter.
09:50And it's interesting.
09:51Like if you said right now, Ty Simpson, Garrett Nussmeyer, Carson Beck, because Munkin has
09:57previous experience with Beck, I'd probably feel most comfortable with him.
10:02I still don't know the probability that I would give it to actually work out, even if I would
10:08probably rank him above, depending on where you're going to take him, above Nussmeyer and
10:12above the yuts that is Ty Simpson.
10:15I just don't think it was an accident that you said that quarterback from Miami.
10:17Now, I do question the idea, or at least wonder, as tight-lipped as the Browns are, and consistently
10:23tight-lipped as they've been, and like boots on the ground, local reporters aren't getting
10:27anything close to what Cynthia just tried to lay out for us.
10:30I mean, Cynthia's plugged in.
10:32I'm not questioning the validity of it all.
10:34I just find it interesting that the Browns gave their big plan to her and her alone.
10:38I would be surprised if...
10:41I feel like we've heard a few people talk about drafting a quarterback.
10:43We've heard talking about drafting a quarterback.
10:45As opposed to like a veteran quarterback.
10:47But I haven't heard anyone say, oh, that quarterback in Miami, and then the way that she used the
10:51conversation she's had with people at the draft, like that's further than a lot of people will
10:55go if they even bring up the draft in general.
10:57So of those three quarterbacks we talked about, and I know that there are other quarterbacks,
11:00people like Taylin Green, I like tight-lipped.
11:02Well, I do like the idea of Nussmeyer, I do.
11:04I think Carson Beck does make a lot of sense for them in general, but I don't think Nussmeyer,
11:08Beck, or anybody that you could bring up outside of Simpson, and then obviously, you know,
11:13we know what's happening with Mendoza.
11:15What was the smirk for?
11:16Oh, the smirk was, I just realized, as you and I are talking about this, I was starting
11:19to think of, well, I'm really comfortable with Nussmeyer at 70, and maybe Beck at 70,
11:24and then maybe Simpson at 39.
11:26I'm like, Jesus, it's the veteran quarterback market all over again.
11:30Well, I'll give you a fourth rounder for Mac Jones, and I'll give you a...
11:32And then people think that we love these quarterbacks, and are like, this guy's going to be a star.
11:36We don't think any of that.
11:38Nobody here thinks any of that.
11:39But this is the pond that they're playing in, and they've done this to themselves.
11:43Because again, this screams to the idea that they're not taking 2026 that serious, and it's
11:49all about 2027.
11:50Yeah, I don't know.
11:51I mean, depending on where you take the quarterback, if you take a quarterback with a second round
11:54pick, you have expectations for that quarterback.
11:57If you start them in 2026, you have expectations for that quarterback.
12:02I think that's my struggle.
12:04It's less actually about a Carson back, a Ty Simpson, a Garrett Nussmeyer.
12:09I think it's more of, all right, we're backing ourselves into yet another one-year-and-done situation.
12:16And at some point, that does feel counterintuitive.
12:20Right?
12:21When you already did this to Shador and Dylan the previous season, in a bad quarterback year,
12:26and now you're going to do it again, and everything feels like a lead-up to 2027, at what point
12:30are you just putting lipstick on a pig and trying to put asses in seats in 2026?
12:33I also, I don't know how this works either, because if you take a quarterback, let's say
12:36top five in 2027, you're going to have Shador and, let's say, Carson Beck, to round out the
12:42quarterback room.
12:43Two guys that you would have watched just fail the year prior, but they're going to be
12:46the ones to step in and do, like, you'd have to blow up the quarterback room in many
12:49respects.
12:49You'd probably have to just move off Shador, and then Carson Beck would still be here.
12:53And then he'd be your Mike Glennon.
12:55Because we needed one of those.
12:56But yeah, that's even an awkward spot, too, though, if he got, like, seven or eight games
12:59and just wasn't very good, and then you're just in a, and I get it, fine, move off of
13:03it.
13:03He's a giraffe.
13:03He'll be fine.
13:04He's, did you call him a giraffe?
13:05He's a little bit of a giraffe.
13:06He's not quite Davis Mills.
13:08He's got long neck, but I don't know about, he's not, Davis Mills owns that one, he owns
13:11that one outright.
13:12That's true.
13:12Nobody's got as long of a neck as Davis Mills.
13:14Carson Beck is the king of, yeah, I haven't been to school in two years.
13:18I don't go to class.
13:19I don't do that.
13:20I don't, what are you talking, I'm playing a national title game.
13:25Off the field.
13:26Also, the Cavender twin.
13:27High, high batting average off the field.
13:28Couldn't tell you for a million dollars which Cavender twin.
13:30I thought it was a bell of danger now.
13:32The Cavender twin.
13:34I mean, I can't keep track of the, I can't, I mean, I have no idea.
13:38Sounds like a dangerous spot.
13:41Wah, wah.
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