00:00There's something about the year we're in right now, too, really,
00:04where we're all kind of collectively grieving things.
00:12Who cares about what they think?
00:14This is about me.
00:16This is about my life.
00:21This is me.
00:24In the opening scene, we all know where you and Marta are,
00:31but then you seem almost like you are elsewhere.
00:37So I want to ask you, where are you both, you and Marta, in those moments?
00:42That's such a cool question, Valentina.
00:45And actually, it's something that I noticed when I had this amazing privilege
00:52of watching someone give birth, and she allowed me to be there with her
00:56when she was, and I saw her go somewhere else.
00:59I saw her go on a trip, her own journey, and it was like her mind had switched off
01:04and her body had taken over, and this natural intelligence
01:07that just knew what to do.
01:10And I saw the fear.
01:11I saw her go through a stage of fear, of doubting whether she could,
01:15because it seems like such a monumental, insurmountable thing to do.
01:21But she wasn't in the room with us, really.
01:22She was on her own, in her own journey.
01:24And so I kind of just allowed myself to do the same thing, you know,
01:30to not be in the room somehow and to be on that journey with no control over it
01:38and be totally powerless.
01:40And, like, the word I keep using when I think about the amazing woman
01:44that I watched was surrender, really.
01:46She just surrendered to the experience of that, and, yeah,
01:51her innate animal knew what to do.
01:54So it was kind of getting into that space, really.
01:58Through the movie, we often see many bridges, real bridges,
02:05a picture with a bridge.
02:06So, in your opinion, what does it mean, this bridge metaphor?
02:13I guess it represents, like, the journey through life is, you know,
02:22full of, like, ups and downs.
02:24And we want to control having an okay experience and a safe one.
02:28And, you know, when difficult things happen, it's really uncomfortable.
02:31And the sensations we experience are really tough.
02:35And this taught me so much about grief, really, and the universal experience of grief in different ways
02:42when we lose something that we really love or someone that we really love
02:45and how we navigate that, like, completely alone.
02:47And I guess it kind of represents the rebuilding of pieces of you, you know,
02:52when you feel like your whole reality has been totally shattered
02:57and something's happened that you never expected and you wouldn't ever want to happen.
03:00and how do you reconfigure the parts of your life, you know?
03:04How do you find yourself again?
03:07That you're different from the person you knew and reality is different.
03:10How do you put yourself back together?
03:12So, I think that's what it is.
03:14Mm-hmm.
03:14I think that even if it's so dark, sometimes this movie, in the end,
03:20there's a huge message of hope because life goes on anyway.
03:26So, do you believe it's true we can still have hope even in our darkest moments or not?
03:35I think, in a way, going through the three-month kind of process that Martha goes through
03:43and having the privilege or the responsibility of doing justice to the women that I'd spoken to
03:48that had lost in that way,
03:51I felt the thing that they consistently said was even though they'd lost their baby, you know,
03:59that they had found something else within that a baby had given them so much
04:03and he'd given them such an immense moment of love in that moment
04:06that even though they might not be here for 80 years, you know, with us,
04:10that the experience has profoundly changed them, you know?
04:17And I think it's that line, it's darkest before it's dawn, in a way, you know,
04:24that there is a rebirth of some kind within you
04:28when you go through a really intensely painful experience
04:31and when you come out of it and you look back and you go,
04:33God, if that hadn't happened, I wouldn't be who I am today.
04:37So, I think it's that experience.
04:39And there's something about the year we're in right now, too, really,
04:43where we're all kind of collectively grieving things
04:46and life as we know it and losses in many different ways.
04:50And I feel really proud, actually, of the film that it leans into that difficult experience.
04:56It doesn't sanitise it or make it easier, you know.
05:01But at the end, she is, like, so profoundly different
05:05and her relationship with her mother is healed
05:07and she sits at the end with her mother and her sister holding hands
05:09and there's a kind of familial healing that happens because of her daughter.
05:13And I think that's a really beautiful thing
05:15and I hope that that kind of reaches people that need that in some way.
05:21In your opinion, what makes a good parent?
05:24Because in the movie, nobody seems to really know what does, in your opinion.
05:29Oh, God, I don't know, because I'm not one yet, you know,
05:34and I wouldn't hope to, I wouldn't even think to be able to advise on that.
05:38But I guess, I guess I hope that I allow, I don't know,
05:45there's something I had recently that your children come through you,
05:49they're not of you, you know, so that you, in a way,
05:52are witness to their experience and their growth
05:54and you can hold space for that.
05:56But they're not absolutely part of you, do you know what I mean?
05:59so that I guess there's a freedom there, but I don't know.
06:01I wouldn't want to advise anyone because I don't know what it's like yet
06:05and I'm sure I'll fail in a million different ways
06:07as I'm sure every human does and in different, yeah, so.
06:14Okay, thank you so much.
06:16You're amazing.
06:17Thank you.
06:18Bye.
06:29Bye.
06:29Bye.
06:29Bye.
06:30Grazie a tutti.
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