00:00Sir, The Sun, a deputy political editor, delighted to have him on, Ryan Saby.
00:04Good morning, sir, how are you?
00:05Good morning, Jeremy.
00:07I don't know where to start or where to finish, really.
00:10I'm going to start with the flags.
00:11I mean, how does this government genuinely think the British people,
00:16Sun readers, people that listen and watch talk,
00:19are going to be feeling when they get told that flying your flag is a tool of hate?
00:25Why is every other country, why have we got marches on the streets of London
00:28with people waving, you know, anti-American sales,
00:31burning the Israeli flag, flying the Palestinian flag?
00:34Why are our priorities all wrong on this?
00:36It does seem bizarre.
00:38You know, the flag, the union flag is a source of pride up and down the country.
00:44We've seen people flying it.
00:47There's obviously a big display, you know, people pulling on motorways,
00:51pulling on lampposts.
00:53And the fact that someone in government, you know, official level,
00:57on whatever level, thinks that this could be deemed as a tool of hate
01:01is quite incredible.
01:02And I wonder whether, when ministers see this document,
01:07whether that is totally just scrubbed out.
01:10Shouldn't have been allowed in the first place.
01:12My concern is the mentality that thinks it's a good idea
01:16to say that anybody flying the British Union or St George's flag is racist.
01:21Look, Ryan, what happens?
01:23You'll cover it.
01:24TalkSport, our sister station, will cover all of it.
01:28The World Cup's coming.
01:29So you're going to tell me that if you drive down the road
01:31with your union jack out the window,
01:32the things they put on the front and people...
01:34Is that going to be deemed racist?
01:36Or is he going to hold that back for four weeks?
01:38That's what I don't get about Starmer and his cohorts.
01:40It's a ludicrous man.
01:42Yeah, this is why, when it actually hits reality,
01:46I just...
01:47But again, as you say,
01:48it's that mentality of actually thinking this through in Whitehall,
01:52coming up with this idea, pulling it out there.
01:56You know, even just writing it down just seems absolutely incredible.
02:00But as you say, you know, we've had the Paralympics,
02:04we've had the Winter Olympics,
02:05you've got World Cups going on, we've got Euros,
02:07we have all sorts of things on the horizon.
02:09And, yeah, how can you actually, you know,
02:14make it a tool of hatred?
02:16It just seems incredible.
02:17But if you are going to say that,
02:19have some bloody balance in the fact
02:21there are Palestinian flags on marches in London,
02:24there are people burning the Israeli flags.
02:27And I see footage of, you know,
02:28a man walking with a union jack
02:30past an Iranian or Palestinian march the other day.
02:32He gets told by the police to take it down
02:34and they're allowed to walk.
02:35These are hate marches.
02:36I just...
02:36I don't understand our priorities.
02:38I'll tell you what I wanted to say
02:40as the Deputy Political Leader of the Sun.
02:43This humbling phone call
02:44that every single newspaper goes on about today,
02:47the Mail front page,
02:48Starmer's humbling phone call to Trump.
02:50I mean, Trump was pretty outspoken about Starmer.
02:52I have acknowledged on the show this morning, Rye,
02:55that there are...
02:56It seems a large number of people,
02:59even a majority in this country, disagree.
03:01And so my frustration with Starmer
03:03is probably even stronger today than ever before.
03:05Because if you believe a position politically,
03:07if you're a leader,
03:08have the balls to stick up for him.
03:09But what's he doing on the phone?
03:11Who instigated this humbling phone call at the weekend?
03:14Did he beg Trump?
03:15How did Trump treat him?
03:16Do we know?
03:17Well, at the moment,
03:18we had this phone call late last night.
03:21And one of the key things to come out with it,
03:23it seems like they did discuss
03:25the sort of military cooperation.
03:28But what we've got here
03:29is we've got two things going on.
03:30We've got the underlying special relationship,
03:33as we call it.
03:34It seems that it is still there
03:36in its full blaze of glory,
03:38you know, official level,
03:40intelligence sharing,
03:41this kind of thing.
03:42But at the surface of this special relationship,
03:44which is actually really, really key,
03:47is that we have this tension between the two.
03:51Normally, it's Donald Trump who's throwing the baths.
03:54But look at what Sir Keir Starmer said last week
03:56in the House of Commons.
03:58He said that the special relationship,
04:00we should not be hanging on every word
04:02that the president says,
04:03as if to say the special relationship
04:05runs actually deeper than that.
04:07But because of this tension,
04:09what does it mean if, you know,
04:10the king is meant to be going to America in April?
04:14What does it mean for that?
04:15Does that tour then get postponed?
04:17Well, Labour MPs are demanding
04:19that the Foreign Office postpones the state visit
04:21and says that, you know,
04:23Trump's attacked the government and Starmer
04:25and the king shouldn't go.
04:27But the king's a constitutional monarch
04:29and shouldn't get involved.
04:30Yeah, I think the king will go.
04:33I think the king's there.
04:34Look how much Donald Trump respects America.
04:38Look how much Donald Trump loves the royal family.
04:42And I think if the king doesn't go,
04:43if that trip is pulled,
04:45you know, we may have this, you know,
04:46this military conflict at the moment.
04:48But just think what we do, you know,
04:49our trade with America,
04:51the trade deals, the tech deals,
04:52all this kind of thing,
04:54the business between the two countries,
04:56I think it would be seen as a real, real snub.
04:58So...
04:59I think you're right.
05:00I think that the special relationship,
05:02the sharing of information,
05:04the trade deals, all of that,
05:05that maintains itself.
05:06I think there's a disconnect, quite rightly,
05:08with the two men at the top.
05:10And the thing is,
05:11I just want to go back to what I was saying.
05:13You know, I don't have to agree with Starmer,
05:15but if that was his position,
05:17have the balls to stand up to Trump.
05:19Because we all know that somebody like Trump,
05:21who many people call a bully,
05:22I'd say he's just a god, what's it?
05:24He would respect him more if he said,
05:26no, Donald, I'm not backing down.
05:28That's my country's position.
05:29It doesn't have to affect it.
05:30I'm not playing ball with you.
05:31You'll have to accept my position.
05:33But one gets the feeling from afar
05:35that people don't do that with Donald Trump, see?
05:37They don't do it.
05:39Yeah, no, it's very difficult.
05:40You know, you have a position,
05:42but then you try and sort of mediate it.
05:44You try and work around it
05:45to make sure that we don't look at odds with him.
05:49I think what happened,
05:50probably the worst thing the government did,
05:52is didn't really have that position
05:54where they could say,
05:56well, you can use our bases
05:57for something like refueling
05:59or maybe to a lesser extent
06:02and maybe not launching the offensive attacks.
06:04But I think we could have been a little bit more,
06:07well, could have been a lot more accommodating
06:09when it comes to America and launching their attacks.
06:13So I think politically, again,
06:16Keir Starmer's just far too deaf
06:19on the requests and on the special relationship.
06:22And you had Tony Blair yesterday.
06:24Whatever you think about him
06:26over the last 20, 25 years,
06:29he says that America, you know,
06:30our greatest ally,
06:32and you've kind of got to be with them.
06:34But you know what, right?
06:35If I was Starmer's comms chief,
06:37I'd have used that.
06:38I would have said that is a green light
06:39for you to go back out and say,
06:41listen, rather than toadying up to Blair and Trump
06:44and every person who, you know, disagrees with him,
06:47I'd have said,
06:48with respect to the former Prime Minister,
06:49he took us into an illegal war
06:51and that is what I'm trying to avoid.
06:53So you button your cake hole
06:54because I've got the British public
06:55on my side for a change.
06:57But no, no, no, no, no.
06:58I'm going to crawl to Blair.
06:59I'm going to call to Trump.
07:00And so everybody goes,
07:01what is this man's position?
07:02There's nothing inside him
07:04that makes you think
07:05that he's definitive in what he's saying.
07:07And that's the real frustration,
07:08I think, mate, you know?
07:10Yeah.
07:10And last week we had Keir Starmer say,
07:13you know,
07:13we're not going to be letting America
07:15use our bases for offensive attacks.
07:18But we are still doing all this other stuff.
07:20They're still going to have F-35 jets
07:22that they're using.
07:23We're still sending, you know,
07:25warships or trying to send warships
07:26to the regions,
07:28still sharing intelligence.
07:29So halfway in, halfway out.
07:31And again, you don't please anyone.
07:33You don't please, you know,
07:34politically your own MPs,
07:36those green MPs,
07:37those green supporters
07:38you're trying to win over.
07:40And you annoy the most important man
07:43in the world, Donald Trump.
07:44I think that his whole theory, Starmer,
07:48which is why I think he's so woefully inadequate
07:50in his position,
07:51is he tries to please all the people all the time.
07:54And he actually ends up, well,
07:56annoying most of the people most of the time.
07:58And that's just in essence who he is.
08:00And that's the frustration.
08:02Can I just have a quick line from you
08:04as the deputy?
08:04I know, well, honestly,
08:05the army chiefs,
08:08whilst we're teetering on the edge of World War III,
08:10are busy launching a review.
08:11I'm sure you've seen the story.
08:13They've emailed all soldiers
08:14and dragoons and everything
08:16to asking whether they think it's OK
08:18that men can apply cosmetics
08:21and wear makeup in combat like women.
08:23The gender-free changes could see men
08:25wearing makeup, hair extensions,
08:27painted nails and earrings,
08:29whilst the rest of the world's trying to sort this out.
08:31That is more woke than the blob, isn't it?
08:34What's wrong with the British army now?
08:37God!
08:38Yeah, I mean, it seems like forever
08:40that the British army have been used
08:42to wearing camouflage cream.
08:43It now seems they're going to be more
08:45used to wearing mascara.
08:46So I think some people need to buck up their ideas
08:49and just dismiss this survey straight away.
08:52Another thing to dismiss,
08:53Ryan, we love having you on, my friend.
08:54Great job at The Sun.
08:55Catch all of it in The Sun today.
08:56Ryan Sabey, deputy political editor,
09:00Bryan McDONie, deputy of the United States TV
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