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00:00Thank goodness Dave Wooding is here.
00:02Sun columnist, political journalist of many years.
00:04Dave, good afternoon to you.
00:06I mean, it's always strange, isn't it?
00:08You know this from being on the Westminster beat for many, many years.
00:13When you meet politicians one-to-one, they're nearly always OK, aren't they?
00:17Absolutely, yeah.
00:17Something weird happens in the collective.
00:20Something bizarre kicks in.
00:22Once these people begin getting together as a group
00:27and sharing ideas and the WhatsApp thing
00:29and plotting and working out where they're going to go
00:32with their next plans, etc.
00:35Home Secretary makes a speech,
00:36nothing particularly controversial about it.
00:38In fact, many people said it didn't go far enough.
00:40Oh, the £40,000 thing was a bit weird.
00:42But at our backbenchers are going,
00:43no, no, no, sorry, you can't do that.
00:45It's like Trump's ICE department.
00:47No, it's not.
00:48Yes, and it's all about strength as well.
00:50The strength that Keir Starmer had was in his majority.
00:53He won a thumping majority,
00:55but he's weak because of his unpopularity.
01:01The left within his own party are now calling all the shots.
01:05And as we've seen with Shabam Mahmood,
01:09seen as one of the most effective,
01:11one would think, of the Cabinet at the moment,
01:14or certainly saying things which the public want to hear.
01:17But no, she's got 100 MPs on the backbenchers
01:20who are saying, this we do not like.
01:23And as with Keir Starmer,
01:27the left of the Labour Party is now calling all the shots.
01:30And it does say, you know, we saw it with welfare reform,
01:33the left of the party getting very upset.
01:37We know that it happened in Cabinet.
01:39We understand that Ed Miliband
01:40absolutely was on the flipping ceiling at the weekend,
01:43or on Friday, I think it was,
01:45when he thought we might have to assist America.
01:47I mean, this Miliband's head was spinning.
01:50It was like some kind of Romero zombie
01:52doing the crab walk down the stairs at number 10.
01:55I mean, all terrible things were going on.
01:57And this, of course, meant that Starmer had to think,
01:59well, you know, if I don't change,
02:02I'm going to have a quite serious,
02:04so we hear,
02:07potential of a rebellion
02:08and therefore a leadership contest
02:11as a result of this.
02:13Absolutely. What sort of state of affairs is it
02:16where you have the decision on national security, effectively,
02:21the safety of British interests around the world
02:24under threat from Iran,
02:26a war going on,
02:27and the decision is being made,
02:29not by the Prime Minister,
02:30not even by the Defence Secretary
02:32or the Foreign Secretary,
02:33you know about these things,
02:35but by the Climate Change Secretary,
02:39a former leader of the Labour Party,
02:42who was roundly and emphatically rejected
02:45at a general election.
02:46And now he seems to be having a big say
02:49in how this country is run.
02:50Unbelievable.
02:51Let's move to this,
02:52Keir Starmer.
02:54Keir Starmer,
02:55his claims of calm,
02:57level-headed leadership
02:58on the Middle East crisis
02:59was dismissed as delusional.
03:02His emergency press conference,
03:03of course,
03:04that he convened yesterday,
03:05failed to assert control
03:06as his position was further undermined
03:08by the deteriorating relationship
03:10with the United States
03:11and much of the Middle East as well,
03:13hitting a low after Donald Trump,
03:14of course,
03:15personally called him a loser.
03:17Let's have a little glimpse
03:19at Starmer's speech from yesterday.
03:21While the region has been plunged into chaos,
03:25my focus is providing calm,
03:28level-headed leadership
03:29in the national interest.
03:32That means deploying our military
03:35and diplomatic strength
03:37to protect our people.
03:40And it means having the strength
03:42to stand firm by our values
03:44and our principles,
03:46no matter the pressure
03:48to do otherwise.
03:51I mean,
03:52one of the problems, Dave,
03:54is that he's...
03:54I keep saying this,
03:55and I'm not deliberately
03:57trying to be unkind.
03:59He's just not very good
04:00at being a prime minister.
04:01No.
04:02I mean,
04:02big decisions.
04:04When you're prime minister,
04:05you have to make a decision
04:07because you think it is right
04:08and it is in the best interests
04:10of the United Kingdom.
04:11And now,
04:12in the case of Iran,
04:14straight away,
04:14he said,
04:16we're not getting involved in this.
04:18Why did he make that decision?
04:19Not because he thought
04:20it was wrong
04:21to attack Iran,
04:23but because it was
04:24against international law.
04:26He is a slave
04:27to the human rights law
04:29and international law.
04:30And he makes his decisions,
04:31not on whether it is right
04:33or wrong politically,
04:34but on whether it is
04:35within international law.
04:37And then,
04:38of course,
04:38he's changed his mind
04:39after doing that.
04:40He then says,
04:42well,
04:43actually,
04:43we need to get involved here.
04:45Oh,
04:45but we can do this
04:46by international law
04:47because we are doing it
04:48in a defensive action.
04:49So,
04:50for his first action,
04:51he alienates
04:53our biggest ally,
04:54the United States,
04:55by not joining in.
04:57And then,
04:57the next minute,
04:58he joins in
04:58and he alienates
05:00the people
05:01who don't want us involved.
05:02So,
05:02the left of the Labour Party
05:04are all saying
05:05he shouldn't get involved.
05:06So,
05:06he's got no friends
05:07because he's actually...
05:09So,
05:10literally,
05:11whatever way he turns,
05:13he's upset
05:13that particular component
05:15of the story.
05:16It would have been
05:16so much easier
05:17saying,
05:17I am not getting involved
05:18under any circumstances
05:20and stick to that.
05:21Yeah.
05:21He'd have alienated America,
05:23but he would have won
05:23over a rump of people
05:25on the peace front.
05:27Of course.
05:27Yeah.
05:27And if he'd done the opposite
05:28and got involved,
05:29listen,
05:30I'm sorry,
05:31I'm going in there.
05:32It's the right thing to do
05:33to protect Britain.
05:34He'd had a lot of people
05:35supporting him.
05:36America would value
05:37his loyalty.
05:39And we know
05:40where he stands,
05:41but we don't actually
05:42know where he stands
05:43and when he makes
05:43a decision
05:44to go in,
05:45not to go in,
05:46you don't know that
05:47within 48 hours
05:48he's going to change
05:49his mind again.
05:49And there's the problem,
05:50isn't it?
05:50Because what you need
05:51is decisiveness,
05:52particularly at a time
05:53like this.
05:53And if you've got...
05:54I mean,
05:54you could question why...
05:55I mean,
05:55if they have a Cabinet
05:56meeting,
05:58obviously,
05:58Ed Miliband will be there.
06:00But on these kind
06:01of decisions,
06:02does he need to even...
06:03But does the bloke
06:04in charge of windmills
06:05really need to be
06:06in the war?
06:07War Office?
06:08Well,
06:08this is the thing,
06:09Ian.
06:10It seems to me
06:11that he probably
06:12was leaning towards
06:14going in in the first
06:15place and that it was
06:16Ed Miliband
06:17who put his foot down.
06:18Yeah, yeah.
06:19And knowing that
06:20Ed Miliband
06:20is very,
06:21very popular,
06:22in fact,
06:22there was a poll,
06:23I'm not sure
06:24that it's that recent,
06:25but it puts him
06:26well ahead of
06:26everybody else
06:28as the leadership
06:28contender.
06:29I don't get that.
06:30But these are the same
06:31polls that say
06:32Zach Polanski's good.
06:33Yeah.
06:34Well,
06:34there you go.
06:35And charismatic.
06:37Well,
06:38if that's the word for it.
06:39Poles,
06:39schmoles.
06:40Absolutely.
06:40Yeah.
06:41But he's got a big
06:43support group
06:44within the Labour Party
06:45and on the back benches.
06:46So I think
06:48the Prime Minister
06:49was then thinking
06:50he could lead
06:51a revolt against me
06:53and there could be
06:54a leadership battle.
06:56Let's move to this story.
06:58Quite a disturbing
06:59turn of events
07:00as we hear that
07:01four Iranians
07:03arrested for spying
07:05on Jews
07:06in London.
07:07This is the Met Police
07:08arresting four Iranian men
07:09suspected of spying
07:10on the Jewish community
07:12for Iran.
07:13To me,
07:14this, you know,
07:15rather sort of highlights
07:16what we're doing
07:17and what we're dealing with.
07:19I've been making the point
07:19all week, Dave,
07:20that you'd think
07:21the English Channel,
07:23which was already
07:24a crime scene
07:25of kind of open borders,
07:26you'd think
07:27since this war
07:28would be,
07:29the Channel
07:30would be in special measures.
07:31You know,
07:31they'd go,
07:32right, okay,
07:32from now,
07:33now that there's a war
07:34with Iran,
07:35quite a lot of these guys
07:36that come over
07:36on these boats
07:37are from Iran.
07:38We've got no idea
07:39who they are
07:40and what their intentions are
07:41so we're going to be
07:42detaining everyone
07:43until we can establish that.
07:44Absolutely.
07:44Good point.
07:45No one's making this point.
07:46They've got cover
07:47of national security
07:48to really crack down on this.
07:50Yeah, nothing.
07:51The problem is,
07:52despite what you've said
07:54correctly,
07:56anybody who's entered
07:57the country illegally
07:59could include
08:01dangerous people.
08:02We don't know
08:03who we've let in.
08:04In fact,
08:05the enemy within
08:06are already within,
08:08as it were.
08:08Yes.
08:09I mean,
08:10there could be
08:10dozens,
08:12hundreds of people
08:13who are
08:14with links
08:15to terrorist organisations
08:16who are in here
08:18on undercover ops,
08:20for all we know,
08:21because we don't check
08:22people.
08:22And there was
08:23a recent story
08:23saying that people
08:24had come in
08:25and the government
08:26were insisting
08:27that they were all
08:28checked out thoroughly
08:29when they arrived
08:29and one of the newspapers
08:31went down
08:31and timed them
08:33going into the
08:33reception centre
08:34and within 43 minutes
08:36they were on their way
08:37to their hotels.
08:39I mean,
08:39how can you...
08:40Really?
08:40You can't do a check on something.
08:41Do you think 43 days
08:43it might take
08:44in order to authenticate
08:46someone's status?
08:4743 minutes.
08:48Yeah.
08:49And they're on the way
08:50to their...
08:50From arrival
08:51to being in a hotel.
08:52Yeah.
08:52I mean,
08:52that's insane.
08:53Yeah,
08:53absolutely.
08:54And particularly
08:55at the moment,
08:56how can that be okay?
08:56So when we read stories
08:57that they've arrested
08:59some dodgy Iranians
09:00for spying,
09:02I don't think anybody
09:03would be surprised
09:03with these guys.
09:04No,
09:04no,
09:05absolutely not.
09:05But I mean,
09:06look,
09:07credit to the security services
09:09for finding them.
09:10But it just shows
09:11the extent of the fears
09:15of what's going on
09:16inside our own community here.
09:18I mean,
09:19if there is...
09:20One of the issues
09:21is a backlash
09:23of terrorist activity
09:24within the UK
09:25and anybody involved
09:26in that action.
09:28And this just shows you
09:31how dangerous it is
09:31without wishing to prejudice
09:32what's going on there.
09:34Well, indeed.
09:35100%.
09:35Dave,
09:36stay with us.
09:37More to come.
09:37David Wooding is with us,
09:39columnist at The Sun,
09:40political journalist
09:41of many,
09:41many years' experience
09:42in that field.
09:43So we'll talk more to David
09:44in just a couple of moments.
09:46Over to you,
09:47particularly on that question
09:48at the beginning,
09:49has Britain lost its respect
09:50on the world stage?
09:52If you look at that big,
09:53fat list I gave you
09:55at the top
09:55of the global influence
09:58that this country
09:58used to have,
10:01undeniable,
10:03undebatable influence
10:04on planet Earth,
10:05our journey
10:06from politics
10:07to law,
10:08science to industry,
10:10even through to culture.
10:11I mean,
10:11the list is
10:13not just extensive,
10:14it's almost endless.
10:15And yet,
10:16here we are
10:16with a very different
10:18state of affairs.
10:19Keir Starmer
10:19running the show,
10:20doesn't know his
10:21what's it from his elbow.
10:22What is our image
10:23on the world stage?
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10:3922 minutes after
10:40one of our...
10:40David Wooding is with us.
10:41A bit of breaking news
10:42in the last hour or so.
10:43Peter Mandelson
10:44is no longer on bail,
10:45David.
10:46It's now just a
10:47continuing investigation.
10:48Of course,
10:49he ended up on bail
10:51because
10:55Lindsay Hoyle
10:57crossed him up.
10:58I mean,
10:58it's just...
10:59You can't make this story up.
11:01Lindsay Hoyle
11:01rang the old bell
11:02and went,
11:02yeah,
11:02I think I've been told
11:04it might be a flight risk.
11:06He's going on holiday
11:07and not coming back
11:08or something.
11:09He denied all of that,
11:11of course.
11:11Anyway,
11:11I think the bail
11:12then included him
11:14being...
11:15having his passport
11:16taken or surrendering
11:18or whatever they call it.
11:19But he's no longer on bail,
11:20so he's free to go
11:21on holiday.
11:23There were rumours
11:24that a massive air balloon
11:25was seen taken off
11:26from Camden
11:28with a big sign saying
11:29Up Yours Hoyle.
11:31But I don't know
11:32if there's any truth in that.
11:33It's a nice thought.
11:34Well,
11:34I mean,
11:35the word was that
11:36the police,
11:37when they were told about this,
11:39told Peter Mandelson
11:41where they got the information from.
11:42But they said
11:43it was the Lord Speaker.
11:44Or they may have just said
11:45the Speaker.
11:46Oh, right.
11:47And
11:49Peter Mandelson
11:50wrongly assumed
11:50the Lord Speaker
11:51being in the House of Lords
11:52himself.
11:53Then when he
11:54or his people
11:55contacted the Lord Speaker
11:56and said,
11:57what the hell's going on here?
11:59He said,
12:00I've not done this.
12:01So clearly he'd spoken
12:02to Lindsay Hoyle,
12:03the common speaker.
12:05Hoyle all along.
12:06He had to issue
12:08a statement
12:09saying it was him
12:10to clear it up.
12:10But, I mean,
12:11the police shouldn't be telling
12:14defendants
12:14or suspects
12:16or people
12:16who are being investigated
12:18where they get
12:19the information from.
12:20That's completely wrong.
12:21It's just,
12:22imagine me writing
12:23in the newspaper,
12:24well,
12:24I got this story
12:25from such and such
12:26an MP.
12:27You'd never work again.
12:27It's just ridiculous,
12:29isn't it?
12:29That shouldn't have happened.
12:30I mean,
12:31interesting as it is
12:32for people like us
12:33and, in fact,
12:34the wider population.
12:38You know,
12:39we shouldn't really know that
12:40either,
12:40where the information came from.
12:42No, absolutely.
12:42There's no reason
12:42why we would know.
12:43No.
12:44But I suspect
12:45the reason he's been,
12:47he's no longer on bail
12:48is because,
12:49I mean,
12:50there are certain bail rules.
12:51I'm not totally up to speed
12:53on how they are.
12:53They keep changing them.
12:54But if he is,
12:56if he is on bail
12:57because of a flight risk,
12:59that would mean
13:00if he skipped bail
13:00then there would be
13:01an offence.
13:02Yes.
13:03So,
13:04they're now assuming
13:05he's not a flight risk,
13:07I guess,
13:07and saying,
13:08well,
13:09we'll continue
13:10the investigation.
13:11You can have
13:12your passport back.
13:12I wonder how long
13:13this takes.
13:14I mean,
13:14how long is a piece of string,
13:15you know,
13:15but,
13:16I mean,
13:17it's quite a hard
13:19offence to prove,
13:21I understand,
13:21you know,
13:21misconducts in a public office.
13:24But,
13:24obviously,
13:24things we can say about it,
13:25you know,
13:26we do know that
13:26in the public domain
13:28are certain communications
13:29that Mandelson made
13:30with Epstein,
13:31which,
13:31you know,
13:32look,
13:32even to a,
13:33you know,
13:33the untrained eye,
13:35certainly look a little bit
13:36iffy,
13:36that's for sure.
13:37Yeah,
13:37absolutely.
13:37And the other thing
13:39is that the welter
13:40of information
13:41they're going to have
13:41to go through.
13:42Yeah.
13:43I mean,
13:43you look at these
13:44investigations now,
13:45emails are a massive
13:47source of evidence.
13:48Yeah.
13:49And if they say,
13:50right,
13:50we're going to look
13:50through all your emails,
13:51imagine looking through
13:52all your emails,
13:53or my emails for that matter,
13:55there'd be acres and acres
13:57of print if you print them
13:58all out.
13:59of course there would.
14:00And the police have to,
14:01somebody in the office
14:02or a team will be going
14:04through those emails.
14:05And,
14:05you know,
14:06I don't know about you,
14:07when you're ever reading
14:07lots and lots of stuff,
14:09you've got to get through
14:10a lot of detail,
14:11you do sort of switch off
14:12after about an hour or two.
14:14And so,
14:15they're going to have to
14:15keep refreshing people
14:16to do it.
14:17So,
14:17a lot of time
14:18and a lot of manpower
14:20on that.
14:21Indeed.
14:21Well,
14:22we'll watch with interest
14:22how that pans out,
14:23but I mean,
14:23this could be a good few
14:24months,
14:25couldn't it,
14:25before we even get anything.
14:29We'll watch with interest.
14:30And this story,
14:31finally,
14:32Dave,
14:32BBC are exploring
14:33a tax-based funding model,
14:35like a kind of levy
14:36to replace the licence fee.
14:38This is apparently
14:39due to difficulties
14:40enforcing payment.
14:41Let's have a reminder
14:42of this.
14:44Oh,
14:44give me a gin and tommy.
14:46No,
14:46make that a double,
14:47I need it.
14:48I just bought
14:48my television licence.
14:50Ah.
14:51God,
14:5258 quid.
14:53I ask you,
14:5558 quid
14:56for the privilege
14:56of sitting in your own home,
14:58watching your own television set.
15:00It's diabolical.
15:01I mean,
15:02what's the BBC
15:03ever given us
15:03for 58 quid?
15:0658 quid.
15:07Blimey.
15:08That was John Cleese,
15:08wasn't it,
15:09I just realised.
15:10Yeah,
15:11they've had real trouble
15:12in the last few years.
15:13I mean,
15:13it used to be,
15:14I mean,
15:14the era of the detector vans
15:17going around
15:18checking people's licences,
15:20which I can never,
15:21I can never work out
15:22whether this is an urban myth,
15:23that there was nothing in them.
15:25They were just a,
15:25kind of,
15:26a visual thing,
15:27a visual tool
15:28to frighten people.
15:29Ah,
15:29I wonder,
15:30I wonder.
15:30But if you think about it,
15:31they were,
15:32they had this sort of aerial
15:33spinning on the top
15:34of these vans
15:35that apparently,
15:36back in the day,
15:37had the power
15:39to realise whether
15:40you had a TV on.
15:41I mean,
15:41I don't know whether
15:41there's any truth in that.
15:43And every time somebody
15:43calls us up and goes,
15:44yeah,
15:44my dad used to work for them.
15:46Now,
15:46it was just an empty van.
15:47He was like a cab driver.
15:48And then somebody else would go,
15:49no,
15:49my dad used to work for them.
15:50And absolutely,
15:51they were real.
15:52They knew exactly
15:52what you were watching.
15:53There used to be an ad
15:54that would show you
15:55the guy inside the van
15:56going,
15:57they're at number 76
15:58and they're in the dining room
16:01and they're watching Grandstand
16:02or something like that.
16:03And it's like,
16:04wow,
16:04are they that accurate?
16:05Now,
16:06it seems hardly anybody
16:07wants to pay the licence fee.
16:08Nothing happens.
16:0994% of the population
16:11watch the BBC regularly
16:15and 80%
16:16pay the licence fee.
16:18So,
16:18one in five people
16:21are not paying a licence fee.
16:22If that falls much further,
16:24Ian,
16:25we're going to be in a situation
16:26where it's unenforceable
16:27because if you've got
16:28a few thousand,
16:30a few percentage,
16:31people...
16:32There's no way.
16:32So,
16:33how they...
16:34And I think this is why
16:36they're looking at
16:36alternate funding models
16:39because once it's lost,
16:41if it drops down to 75%,
16:43that's one in four.
16:46Nobody's going to be paying.
16:46Nobody's going to be paying.
16:47They'll say,
16:47well,
16:47I'm not paying.
16:48I mean,
16:49I actually think about it myself.
16:50You know,
16:50all these people
16:51are not paying it.
16:51There's me religiously
16:52paying £175 a year
16:55to have the TV licence fee.
16:56And you only watch
16:56Songs of Praise.
16:59Dave's an addict of songs.
17:01He loves a bit of that.
17:02Listen,
17:03David,
17:03great to see you again.
17:04Pleasure.
17:04We will speak again soon.
17:06Dave Wooding.
17:07Read Dave this weekend
17:08in the sun,
17:09of course.
17:10That'll be tomorrow's paper,
17:11won't it?
17:12Dave's next column.
17:13Stand by for that.
17:14Loads more to come.
17:150344 499 1000.
17:28They're not in the sun.
17:29I'm on the sun.
17:33I'll be doing it again.
17:37You
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