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00:00:04My next guest wrote very eloquently yesterday in The Telegraph about how Keir Starmer just
00:00:12wasn't at the races as the world went to war. Where were we when America and Israel embarked
00:00:21on taking out the most dangerous regime on the face of the earth as in the Ayatollahs,
00:00:26the late, un-great Ayatollahs, hideous tyranny in Iran. Welcome to the show to author and
00:00:32columnist Jake Wallace-Simons. Hi, Jake. Hi, good afternoon. Now, bear with us. I want
00:00:39to ask you a question. How did we get, as a nation, from this...
00:00:44We shall fight in France. We shall fight on the seas and oceans. We shall fight with growing
00:00:51confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our island, whatever the
00:00:58cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall
00:01:05fight in the fields and in the streets. We shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender.
00:01:13Of course, Winston Churchill at the outbreak of World War II. How do we get from that to
00:01:19this? We are not joining the U.S. and Israeli offensive strikes. The basis for our decision
00:01:29is the collective self-defense of long-standing friends and allies and protecting British lives.
00:01:37It is in accordance with international law. And we've produced a summary of our legal advice,
00:01:44which clearly sets this out. We will keep the decision under review.
00:01:51Mr Speaker... Well, Jake, how do you think, as a nation, that we've got from Winston Churchill
00:01:56to Keir Starmer? Keir Starmer's response, as you wrote in your column in The Telegraph,
00:02:01has been absolutely pathetic. I feel embarrassed to be British right now. Your thoughts?
00:02:08Yeah, it's sad, isn't it? It's really sad. We've lost our way as a country. You know,
00:02:14seeing those rousing words from Winston Churchill reminds us of who we used to be and who we should
00:02:19be right now. But we've been steered away from that, and we've been steered to an age of nicism.
00:02:25It's the idea I came up with in my column this morning in The Telegraph.
00:02:30Nicism is the sort of morals of the kindergarten. You know, be nice to Johnny, and he won't hit you
00:02:34back.
00:02:35Be kind, be kind, be kind, yes. Yeah, be kind. Yeah, the post is all over the underground. You
00:02:39can't walk along any underground station without being admonished to be kind, as if you're a two-year-old.
00:02:45That seems to be the only morally acceptable position in our country right now. We're being
00:02:50kind to Islamists. They shout jihad on the streets, but let's not do anything about it. They probably
00:02:54meant inner self-development. We're being kind to the hate preachers, being kind to the Islamic
00:02:59Revolutionary Guards Corps, the terrorist militia of the Iranian regime, which is
00:03:04under attack in Iran, but not banned in Britain. We're being kind to the Ayatollah. He was attacked
00:03:10and killed in his office in Tehran, but his office in London is not only not closed, but
00:03:16it also held a vigil in his memory. In London, it feels like we just have lost the ability
00:03:22to call an enemy an enemy. The Iranian regime is the most deplorable, depraved, contemptible,
00:03:30and brutal regime that we have seen probably since Nazi Germany, I would say, particularly
00:03:34if you combine it with Russia and China, its close allies. Not only did it kill more than
00:03:3930,000 people, unarmed people on its streets in just two days in January, but it's been
00:03:45removing the uteruses of protesters. It's been removing their organs. It's been injecting
00:03:49them with toxic substances. It's been exporting terrorism all over the Middle East, creating
00:03:55Hezbollah, sponsoring Hamas and other terror groups across the Middle East. It's been menacing
00:04:01British citizens, plotting assassination and kidnap attempts on our shores. It's stabbed
00:04:06an Iranian in West London, an Iranian dissident for the crime, supposed crime of standing up
00:04:10to the regime. And it wishes us ill. It wishes to bring us down. Yet we haven't taken robust
00:04:16action at home to defend our own people against this regime. And when the Americans and the
00:04:21Israelis are doing the moral thing and taking the hit by pulling this rotten tooth that has
00:04:28been infecting the region for so long, we're staying out of it because of international law.
00:04:33I mean, sorry, go on.
00:04:35I was going to say, what worries me, yeah, international law, his big obsession. In fact, as the Middle East
00:04:44erupted over the weekend into all-out war, you see the fallacy, the pointlessness of international
00:04:49law. It's just something people cite when they fancy saying, oh, he's done something wrong.
00:04:54Oh, they shouldn't have done that. You know, it is what it is. And in fact, America and Israel,
00:05:01you will find, in terms of the very vague tenets of international law, were within their rights.
00:05:08Because if you can say this was a defensive action, we believe Iran posed a threat to American
00:05:13people, to Israeli people, then you are within your rights to launch an attack defensively. So
00:05:20international law can always be all things to all men. It can mean whatever the hell you want it to
00:05:25mean. So Keir Starmer's devotion to this vague concept is just hampering and useless and pathetic
00:05:33and just indicative of his fixation with his own legalistic mind. So there's a problem there.
00:05:42I mean, they took it to such horror or the terror of maybe offending the Muslim vote, because
00:05:51I do actually believe that foreign policy over this weekend was dictated to some extent by
00:05:57the result in Gorton and Denton. So Starmer now feels he has to be even more beholden to the Muslim
00:06:05vote than he was before, and even more left-wing than he was before. So they took this to such
00:06:13an extent.
00:06:14So loathe was this useless, gormless government to condemn Iran in the fullest possible terms, that when
00:06:24Iran fired two missiles, two, not one, but two, at a British RAF base in Cyprus, John Healy, the Defence
00:06:32Secretary, yesterday went on to the television and said he was sure that was an accident. It was an indication
00:06:38of how they're spraying missiles anywhere. They barely know where they're going. We don't think that was
00:06:44deliberate. What on earth is he talking about? Yeah, it's unbelievable. I mean, for one thing,
00:06:50it's beyond me why so many Muslims aren't able to condemn the Iranian regime. I mean, just because
00:06:56they're Muslims, so what? They're evil. They're, you know, they follow a cultish version of Shia Islam
00:07:02that isn't mainstream in most of the world. Why not condemn them? Why not? They are evil. You have
00:07:09to call evil evil, even if you happen to share the same religion. And some Muslims do, but not enough.
00:07:15When it comes to international law, I think we need to recognise that we don't live under a world
00:07:21government. International law takes the form of individual treaties between nations, and it's been
00:07:27corrupted so badly at the UN that often it stands in the opposite position to morality. So, for example,
00:07:32you know, legally, according to international law, military action needs approval by the Security
00:07:40Cabinet, the Security Council, which of course includes Russia and China on it. And so, in 1999,
00:07:48when NATO successfully intervened in Kosovo and prevented the ethnic cleansing of Muslims at the
00:07:53hands of the Serbs, we did so technically illegally because the Security Council, Russia on the Security
00:07:58Council would have vetoed that. And today, similar, we want to take out Iran because it's evil. And yet,
00:08:05Russia and China on the Security Council would veto that, meaning that the only legal recourse we have
00:08:10is self-defence, not anything else. And so, you know, international law is a flawed mechanism. It's
00:08:16corrupted and often stands in the way to defend evil regimes rather than to do what's right in the world.
00:08:22Exactly right. And talking of which, you know, you've got the mass ranks of Britain's lefties,
00:08:27you know, Starmer for one, but of course, zany Zach Polanski, the Green Goblin, who never talks
00:08:34about the environment. And also Jeremy Corbyn, of course, Mothin Ali, the deputy Green leader who pitched
00:08:44up at a rally supporting the poor deceased Ayatollah and his dreadful regime. So all of them, right,
00:08:52all of them. So this war was unleashed, you know, and I think, you know, the outcome is going to
00:09:01be
00:09:01difficult to predict. But I think we can all agree it's not a bad thing to take steps to destroy
00:09:07that
00:09:08awful old man, the Ayatollah and his disgusting regime. It's not a bad thing to do that.
00:09:15What could all of these lefties, what was their response? Polanski, Corbyn, Starmer,
00:09:21Herma, all of them. Oh, oh, we think America might have broken the rules. They're like little park
00:09:30keepers working for the council. Oi, get off the grass. It is ridiculous. It is ridiculous. And it
00:09:37is terrifying that this is the world that our prime minister, this little legal-minded prime
00:09:43minister, is locked in. Yeah, I mean, you know, don't get me wrong, there are deep hesitations
00:09:48about this war. It's complicated. It's challenging. And, you know, there are reasonable concerns people
00:09:53have. For example, we're still trying to support Ukraine and its struggle. No thanks to the American
00:09:59president. We are struggling there. We're quite stretched with supporting Ukraine against
00:10:04Putin. There's no guarantee that this will end in regime change in Iran, or if it weren't,
00:10:09it might end in chaos. There's no guarantee it will lead to a democracy. There are these serious
00:10:13concerns. But that's not the reason why these people are opposing it. The people who are opposing
00:10:19the Iranian war, the loudest, are the people who were the most silent when the Iranian regime was
00:10:26butchering its own citizens on the streets of Iran, the very same, mapped one-to-one.
00:10:31If you look at Jeremy, I can almost not say these names without puking onto my microphone.
00:10:36But Jeremy Corbyn, who's been interviewed by Sky News all across the broadcast media about his
00:10:41opposition to this war, he was previously taking money from the Iranian regime to work for its
00:10:47propaganda television channel, Press TV. He's taken thousands to do that work for the propaganda
00:10:53channel. And he hasn't declared that interest when he's spewing this garbage on British television.
00:10:58Most in Ali, who you mentioned earlier, the deputy leader of the Greens, who was at a vigil for the
00:11:05ayatollah, a protest in favour of the Iranian regime. Just yesterday, he posted on Twitter,
00:11:12I'm proudly anti-war. And yet I seem to recall on October the 7th, he was celebrating that on social
00:11:19media. He wasn't anti-terrorism then. He only becomes anti-war now when it's the Iranian regime
00:11:25who are getting it in the neck. These people absolutely disgust me. I can barely speak their
00:11:30names without puking. They're repellent and repugnant. And they're totally at odds. While they declare
00:11:35their virtue and their concern for human rights, actually what they're doing is supporting terrorism.
00:11:40There were these spontaneous demonstrations of joy, explosions of joy, where the Jewish community
00:11:46was coming together with Iranians. The Iranians just thrilled that this old tyrant was finally
00:11:52dead, awful old git. And that hopefully his regime will soon be annihilated. I mean, it isn't yet.
00:12:01We've got to be careful there. They're still spraying missiles all over the place. But there was
00:12:06this coming together of these two communities, hoping against hope that this was the end of,
00:12:13what is it now? It's 89 he took over. It was 47 years, I think. 47 years of hell in
00:12:19Iran.
00:12:20So it was, I actually, I live very close to the embassy and I got down there about 20 minutes
00:12:25after they'd announced it. And a lot of people hadn't read the news yet. So I was actually telling
00:12:29them, I was like, he's dead. What do you think? I know, I see. He's dead. Your reaction, please.
00:12:35People don't like my tactics, do they? But yeah.
00:12:38Right, well, you've got to tell it like it is. Well, listen, let's, before we get to what
00:12:44I want to talk to you about, because you, I want to talk about to Samara about what I
00:12:50think is definitely true, because Samara was last week in Gorton and Denton covering the by-election,
00:12:55which of course saw Labour plunged into third place behind reform and the triumphant Greens
00:13:02who won it by a mile. So the Greens winning far more left wing than Starmer, far more,
00:13:08even more pro-Muslim than Starmer. It's going to make Starmer more left wing and even more
00:13:15Islamic in his outlook, even more craven in his desperate pursuit of the Muslim vote, which
00:13:23is mostly lost to the Greens by the looks of it. So the question we have to ask, given
00:13:28what happened over the weekend, is, is foreign policy, British foreign policy already being
00:13:39affected by what happened in Gorton and Denton? I think it is, don't you, Samara?
00:13:43Yeah, I think it's a question really worth putting to what's going on right now. I mean,
00:13:50this is almost uncharacteristically anti-British, the way that Starmer is acting. I mean, you
00:13:56have got, you know, Gorton and Denton, which is 40% Muslim population, and it's a constituency
00:14:03that we're going to see more and more of in the future. And I do think, I mean, first of
00:14:09all,
00:14:10yes, there was this shocking result for Starmer. But secondly, there was a, you know, Morgan
00:14:20McSweeney is not there to direct Starmer in any way. And you can see that now from the
00:14:26way that he's completely rudderless, how he's sort of shifting from one position to another,
00:14:32not knowing where he stands. And it's, as you said, you know, we came from Churchill to now
00:14:37this, someone who won't stand up for the Iranian people. He's got no sort of standing on the
00:14:43international world stage. I mean, just outside the Iranian embassy, there was not one drop
00:14:48of love for Starmer. It was, I love Trump. I love Netanyahu. This is Muslim saying this.
00:14:55Everyone hates Keir Starmer in this situation. He has not protected them.
00:14:59Well, he's terrified to do what he should do, which is, in my view, to offer unequivocal support
00:15:05to America in this endeavour to get rid of the world's most dangerous regime, the terrorist
00:15:12regime of Iran. He won't offer support to them because he's terrified of the Greens. He's
00:15:20terrified of his own left-wing backbenchers who want a far more pro-Muslim approach to all
00:15:28of this. Meanwhile, he changes his mind at the last moment to allow Trump to use British
00:15:35air bases in a very limited way, purely for defensive style, in a very limited way and
00:15:41all that, within the terms of international law. You know, he does all that to try and
00:15:47appease America. And the net result is he's pleased absolutely no one. The lefties don't like him
00:15:55because he's let Trump use the air bases to a little extent. And the right don't like
00:16:03him because he's not supporting Trump enough. So he's just out on his own. Everybody hates
00:16:09him.
00:16:10It's a fundamental issue with his leadership here. And, you know, it's really interesting
00:16:14because obviously Labour lost to someone, Zach Polanski, who said that Zionism is racism,
00:16:21which is just a disgusting comment and wants to make that sort of inbuilt into law. And
00:16:27as you can see, he is now shifting policy in order to appease that voter base. And this
00:16:33is threatening our national security on a massive scale. It's quite crazy, the trickle effect
00:16:38of something like a Gorton and Denton by-election, what that can have on international security and
00:16:43policy.
00:16:43You're right. He's shifting policy. And I'm glad you mentioned Zach Polanski. Zach Polanski,
00:16:50Jeremy Corbyn, most in Ali, the deputy green leader. I mean, I think they're bordering on
00:16:55the edge of treason with the kind of stuff they're coming out with. Zach Polanski, the green leader,
00:17:01the green goblin, the man who never talks about the environment. He went on to Laura Kunzberg's BBC
00:17:07show over the weekend. And it was a, I mean, genuinely hysterical performance. I don't mean
00:17:14in a funny way. I mean, he seemed to be suffering from a kind of hysteria, the nonsense he was
00:17:19coming
00:17:20out with, furious about, demanding that Keir Starmer condemned Donald Trump for breaking international.
00:17:27Look at him. Look at him. Have a look at Zach on the Beeb yesterday.
00:17:33We've seen what I would say is an illegal and unprovoked attack. In fact, Jeremy Bowen,
00:17:37the BBC's own international editor, said this is a war of choice. So we've got a defence
00:17:43secretary saying that diplomacy is the long runway we need, but he won't condemn Donald
00:17:47Trump when he attacks a country and assassinates its leader. That's the law of the jungle. That's
00:17:53an end to international law. And it's quite astounding that we have a prime minister that
00:17:57seems to be singularly incapable of standing up to Donald Trump and letting the UK stand
00:18:01on its own two feet. And I'm worried we're going to be pulled into another illegal war.
00:18:06Oh, shut up. Shut up. Shut up. International law. Illegal war. No, no, no. We shouldn't
00:18:14be standing up against Trump right now. We should be standing against Iran, right?
00:18:18Exactly. What's the matter with him?
00:18:20All I saw on the weekend was the US flag, the Israeli flag, and the new Iranian flag,
00:18:25especially old one. You know, we're talking about a country that actually gave voting rights
00:18:30to women before Switzerland did. That's what Iran was. And they fell to a jihadi regime.
00:18:36And Trump was able to, you know, symbolically decapitate the biggest jihadi the West has ever
00:18:43seen. And I think that he should be commended for that. And why are we even talking about
00:18:47international law? Think of all the international laws that the Ayatollah broke. I mean, this is
00:18:53madness. And talk about international law as well. I mean, Keir Starmer has still not prescribed the
00:18:59Islamic Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organisation. And you said, you said in your
00:19:03report, didn't you, that the Ayatollah's office is still officially open in London. It's very much
00:19:08open. Time to close it down, folks, isn't it? The ambassador who represents the Ayatollah is still
00:19:13sitting in London a couple of streets away from us because Keir Starmer hasn't acted on any of
00:19:18this. Well, he's got the Muslim vote to worry about. Don't you understand? Well, he really does.
00:19:23He's pathetic, folks. If anyone thinks, oh, we're being very, you know, crazy here and
00:19:27we're saying we're building up this conspiracy theory. No, these are the facts. And this is
00:19:31him pandering to a vote that he knows he's losing faster than anything else. And this
00:19:36is a very slippery slope we're going to go down with Starmer, especially now that he hasn't
00:19:41got his advisor, which I never thought I'd say anything good about Morgan McSweeney, but
00:19:44at least he kept him middle ground. Now he's completely out of control. Who knows which
00:19:51way he'll go? It's quite clear that the Islamic tale is wagging this Starmer dog, you know,
00:19:57and as Samara says, his shape-shifting policy is being dictated by the fact that he took a
00:20:04shellacking in Gorton and Denton last week. Polanski's on the rise. He's trying to respond to that.
00:20:10This is endangering Britain. His obsession with the Muslim vote, his obsession with somehow or other
00:20:18regaining the popularity that he's lost at home is putting us at risk around the world. We should
00:20:25support America. Should we not? We're going to talk about the royal family. What the hell? It's about
00:20:29time we talked about something else apart from the extremely worrying situation in the Middle East.
00:20:34I hope you don't mind, but I think we all need a bit of a holiday from that. So let's
00:20:39talk about
00:20:39the royal family with the excellent Kinsey Schofield, our royal guru over there on the West Coast,
00:20:46the host of Kinsey Schofield, I'm Philton. Welcome, Kins.
00:20:50Hi, Kev. Good to see you.
00:20:51Good to see you. Now, we're hearing over the weekend that everyone is now, in the royal circle,
00:20:58is now ostracising Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, the daughters, of course, of Andy and Fergie.
00:21:09This is a change of position on the part of the royal family because initially the king said it's not
00:21:16their fault. They should be still included in royal events. They should be still welcomed into the bosom of
00:21:22the royal family. But more and more evidence is emerging that Bea and Eugenie were not exactly
00:21:30innocent of their parents' nefarious activities, particularly involving their close financial
00:21:37relationship with the billionaire paedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Now, Harry and Meghan in particular
00:21:45were offering their support to Bea and Eugenie. We're hearing that has been removed. They are not
00:21:51backing Bea and Eugenie anymore, nor are William and Catherine, the Prince and Princess of Wales.
00:21:58They're particularly cold towards these two girls. And now we know that the king has let it be known
00:22:03to them they will not be welcome at Ascot this year, where they usually join. They often join the
00:22:11king in his carriage to go around the track before the actual races begin. And in fact, they will not
00:22:17be welcome at royal events going forward. So the worm is turning for the princesses, the pariah princesses.
00:22:27I mean, I think that these are the consequences of a DOJ dump where we discover that you voluntarily
00:22:35went to spend time with a convicted sex offender right after he got out of jail. But what I think
00:22:41is
00:22:41interesting about this story that I saw in the Daily Mail is that they say in November, the York women
00:22:50turned down Prince William's suggestion to allow an ethics check to be carried out about their personal
00:22:57investments. They say that's really when Prince William started to be concerned about their presence.
00:23:03William believed that potentially they might have involuntarily been involved with some of their
00:23:12father and mother's shady business people. And he wanted to protect them by offering them this ethics
00:23:18check to be ahead of any sort of scandal that could come to fruition. And they, according to the Daily
00:23:26Mail, refused that opportunity. And so someone said in the paper that the palace is acutely aware that
00:23:35Andrew and his business friends, they acted as Beatrice and Eugenie's financial advisors, and no one is
00:23:42quite sure what might be that everything's entirely above board. So yes, the DOJ dump, I think,
00:23:50is the climax. But we understand that William was trying to protect them, or at least trying to
00:23:59have a better understanding of what all could be on the horizon last year when they started to strip
00:24:06Andrew of his titles and things started to really shift. Absolutely. I mean, I think it's really all
00:24:12going on now at Royal City, because we're hearing, you know, this is a sort of difficult, but, you know,
00:24:21Andrew is still a human being. And let's face it, he suffered a lot in the last, it's his own
00:24:27fault,
00:24:28but he has suffered one hell of a lot in the last year. We've heard down the line that he's
00:24:34sort of in
00:24:35denial, still obsessing on where he parks his car and whether or not he can ride his horses and have
00:24:41shooting weekends and all that sort of nonsense. Not quite somehow confronting the horrendous nature
00:24:51of his predicament. But we are also now hearing, Andrew Lowney saying this this morning, that in fact
00:25:01this whole saga has taken a terrible toll on Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and that he is now on suicide
00:25:10watch. So far be it from us to shed tears about this guy, it's his own fault. But there may
00:25:17be
00:25:19fears for his mental health now. From a moral standpoint, we should be concerned about that.
00:25:26From a, you know, from a personal empathy, compassion standpoint, we should be concerned about that.
00:25:30From a legal standpoint, you know, Andrew's mental health is irrelevant unless he was in a frazzled
00:25:37mental state when he continuously communicated with Jeffrey Epstein, when he continued to communicate
00:25:44with Jeffrey Epstein after he was convicted of being a sex offender, when he lied about his
00:25:50communication with Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, from a legal standpoint, his mental health is only relevant
00:25:56today regarding whether or not he could stand a trial. From a personal standpoint, yes, we should show
00:26:03empathy and compassion. But if we look at this clearly from a consequences standpoint and a justice
00:26:11standpoint, his mental health is irrelevant unless it's regarding his ability to stand trial or his
00:26:19current mental health when he was allegedly forwarding secret information, government information
00:26:25to someone that had no business receiving it. Yeah, I mean, as I say, nobody would wish suicidal
00:26:33thoughts on anyone. And if his mental health is collapsing, then that is a genuine source of concern. But let's
00:26:40not ever forget that he brought this on himself. He's only got himself to blame.
00:26:46Let's not forget Virginia Gouffre, who is no longer with us.
00:26:51Who took her own life after accusing Andrew of sexually abusing her on three different continents.
00:26:58He denied it, gave her £12 million to keep her mouth shut, not go to a civil court in New
00:27:05York.
00:27:06I don't know why he bothered to give her that money, because nobody believes his denial. Nobody
00:27:11believes a word of his denial. So it was money straight down the drain. Let's talk about Harry and
00:27:18Meghan. Now, given what's going on in the Middle East, only this time last week, they were pitching
00:27:25up in Jordan. Thank God they got the hell out of there before all hell broke loose this weekend. But
00:27:32them going to Jordan, to this region, to the Middle East, unofficially pretending to be a royal tour.
00:27:39I mean, what's happening now puts that into sharp focus. The sheer scale of the irresponsibility
00:27:47of this couple, who just say, oh, let's pretend to be the king and queen. Let's go to Jordan. No,
00:27:53don't do this anymore. The foreign office here, our foreign office department, saying that they,
00:27:58you know, they were not invited to our embassy. They turned up at an embassy party in Jordan.
00:28:04They were not invited to be there in the first place. This is absolutely internationally
00:28:12irresponsible on the part of Harry and Meghan, that they decide they're the king and queen and pitch
00:28:17up in whatever country they fancy. It's got to stop. Yeah. And Israeli's deputy foreign minister
00:28:27hit out at Harry right after some of the comments he made on Channel 4, when he did that very
00:28:33awkward
00:28:33interview where the journalist keeps bringing up Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and Harry's like
00:28:40looking around frantically, looking for the WHO guy just to save him. But the deputy foreign minister
00:28:47of Israel said that Harry's claims during that Channel 4 interview about humanitarian corridors
00:28:53being shut down were deeply disappointing and amplifying a false narrative. I mean, to your point,
00:29:00this is why titles matter. When Harry speaks on a volatile geopolitical issue like humanitarian corridors
00:29:08in Gaza, he's not perceived as a private citizen. He's not perceived as an American. He's perceived as
00:29:15the Duke of Sussex, a member of the British royal family that creates diplomatic consequences. These are
00:29:22matters negotiated between governments, not celebrities on humanitarian PR tours. You know, if Israel's
00:29:31deputy foreign minister is publicly correcting him and saying, come look for yourself, that tells you that
00:29:37he has stepped into territory that is well above his pay grade. This is the same guy that wrote a
00:29:42book
00:29:43about his frozen todger. I don't see his value on, you know, huge issues like this. The British monarchy
00:29:49survives on neutrality. When a title royal appears to amplify disputed claims in an active war zone, it places
00:29:59Buckingham Palace in an impossible position. This is why working royals don't freelance foreign policy.
00:30:05Exactly. I mean, the king doesn't say, you know what, I fancy visiting Canada. Hey, Camilla,
00:30:11you're bad. Let's nip over to Montreal. Lovely city. Doesn't go like that. Years of planning goes into these
00:30:18visits. They are very diplomatic. They are at the heart of international relations, Britain's relationship
00:30:25with the rest of the world and other countries. And these two idiots from Montecito, Harry and Meghan,
00:30:32don't seem to understand this. They just go, let's go to Jordan. Let's go to Nigeria. Let's go to
00:30:38Colombia. Yeah, we can pretend we're royals. It's just ludicrous. And it's dangerous. It's dangerous,
00:30:45Kinsey. They don't vet the people that they associate with. Do you remember in Nigeria when
00:30:50Harry had his picture taken with, like, not one, but two people that were removed from the United
00:30:57States for scams? Like, they were kicked out of the United States for scams? Yeah. For financial
00:31:04scams. In Jordan, they were, they were alleged to have sort of mixed with people who belong to Hamas.
00:31:11So, you know, you're right. I mean, they can't, they can't carry on doing this. It's got to stop. It
00:31:18was absolutely absurd. But of course, Meghan loves it, doesn't she? So she can pretend she's Princess
00:31:25Diana when she gets there. Striking all those. Or Catherine.
00:31:29I was going to say, or Catherine sleeping on the same mattress Catherine sleeps on whenever she
00:31:35visits, insisting they get the same hotel suite that William and Catherine. I didn't know that bit.
00:31:40Yes. I wonder if she's demanded the exact same pillow that Catherine sleeps on every night,
00:31:46because we know she's on the same mattress. It's so bizarre. And then let's talk about the security.
00:31:51I mean, you just said it yourself. Had they, had they left out, you know, hours a day later or
00:31:58so,
00:31:58if that their plans would have been to leave then, they would be stuck there. Mr. Ravik,
00:32:04if I don't get my way, it's because daddy stepped in and said, I shouldn't have the proper security
00:32:10that I deserve because I was born a prince going to Columbia, Nigeria, and Jordan. You are going,
00:32:18and Ukraine, you go to these places, you hypocrite to try to justify this security. But the reality is
00:32:27again, back to frozen Todger, you're a reality star at this point. He just pursues these dangerous
00:32:34venues to try to justify the security he wants. But it's not like people in Jordan or Ukraine or
00:32:40Colombia or Nigeria are begging for Harry and Meghan to live or represent them or be there.
00:32:48Like he pursues these things to try to justify his wants.
00:32:52And in Jordan, he turned up, they turned up. Imagine throwing a party as the, our ambassador,
00:32:58the British ambassador in Jordan did through a party for local dignitaries. And Harry and Meghan
00:33:05crashed the party. Imagine throwing a party going, oh my God, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have just
00:33:12gate crashed. That's what they did. Chris Jenner knows all about it. Chris Jenner knows all about
00:33:17it. Yeah. And they, well, yes, sure. Then they just, so they tried to use their attendance at this
00:33:23party to say, look, our visit was official. It was not, it was not official. It was a disgrace. And
00:33:30they've got to stop doing this. You're so right. I mean, they don't know, you know, Jack, they don't
00:33:37know anything. They could be there now. And if they had gone this week, they'd be stuck there. And
00:33:42imagine the international diplomatic mess that would have caused. Before we start, we put together
00:33:49this little montage of the traitors, as in the BBC series. Take it away, guys.
00:33:56Dragging the UK into another illegal war does not make us any more safe. And polling shows over and
00:34:03over again that the majority of people in this country do not want our UK bases to be used by
00:34:08US military. And the only reason why this is happening is Keir Starmer is incapable of standing
00:34:14up to Donald Trump. More horror and a great deal of money being made by arms manufacturers all around
00:34:20the world. Can't we in this country do something to try and bring about peace there by persuading the
00:34:26US to go back to the negotiating table with Iran as quickly as possible? To be clear, the use of
00:34:34British bases is limited to the agreed defensive purposes. We are not joining the US and Israeli
00:34:43offensive strikes. The basis for our decision is the collective self-defence of long-standing friends
00:34:53and allies and protecting British lives. It is in accordance with international law.
00:35:01Well, for a kick-off there, Benedict, we saw Zach Polanski at work there. Polling reveals that British
00:35:08people do not want our bases to be used by America for strikes on Iran. There have been
00:35:14no such polls. That is him in action. But also it is this instinctive siding with Iran by him,
00:35:22by Corbyn, almost to a lesser extent the Prime Minister as well. This instinctive antipathy towards
00:35:31the big evil America and Donald Trump. You know, it does beg the question about Polanski and Corbyn
00:35:38in particular. Whose side are they on?
00:35:41Yeah, I think that there are two things to address here. One being the Prime Minister and then
00:35:45the gibbering halfwits on the other side. Let's start with the gibbering halfwits.
00:35:49These are people who have never quite got out of that, you know, 16-, 17-, 18-year-old A-level
00:35:54politics mentality of contrarianism. They believe that the West are demonstrably evil because,
00:36:00I don't know, colonialism or something or white guilt or something. They seem to therefore think
00:36:06everything that we do is bad and therefore that everything that anybody else does is good and
00:36:11that those people must necessarily be the good guys. Now, I think we're all pretty clear what the
00:36:18Iranian regime is. It's a nasty regime that represses its own people and visits all sorts
00:36:24of horror and death on the neighbouring countries of the region. We can see that right now in its
00:36:28approach to its own defence. It's decided to start striking all of its Gulf neighbours, you know,
00:36:34many of whom, some of whom have absolutely nothing to do with this. It's attacking them anyway. But
00:36:38this is the kind of halfwit politicians that we get on the radical left. We don't actually, you know,
00:36:43once upon a time, actually, the radical left used to have a tendency of the very least
00:36:47developing intelligent people. They might come up with slightly crackpot ideas, but they were able
00:36:51to do so because they were more intelligent than the average. Now, we do just seem to promote who can
00:36:56be the loudest idiot in the room. That's what Zach Polanski is, if we're being completely honest. And they are
00:37:01taking this deeply contrarian approach, partly because that's their view on British morality
00:37:06and American morality. But also, of course, because they're pandering to their own constituencies.
00:37:11There are large blocks of people in this country who believe the exact same things as they do.
00:37:15Israel is evil. The US is evil. Britain is evil. Don't ask why they're living here, but Britain is evil.
00:37:21And that's all there is to it. Now, when it comes to the Prime Minister, it's slightly different,
00:37:26because he is cowardly. No question about that. He is deeply weak. He is dithered. This has been
00:37:31very embarrassing. But the reality is Britain is not on his watch in a position to be able to join
00:37:39the attack on Iran. That needs to be stated very clearly. What it shouldn't be is in a position
00:37:44where it cannot even defend its own sovereign territory. That's in Cyprus at RAF Akrotiri.
00:37:50It's not able to do this, as you pointed out. It is relying on French support. It is relying on
00:37:55Greek naval support. This is highly embarrassing. But there is one thing, one little thing that I
00:38:01do understand why Keir Starmer might, politically speaking, not want to come out and back Donald
00:38:06Trump as much as I disagree with it. And that is because, because of political decisions made by
00:38:11his government and other governments as well, we are uniquely exposed to the energy crisis that's
00:38:17about to hit us. It is going to hit us like a tidal wave. And Keir Starmer, with his polling
00:38:22at all time lows in the aftermath of the Mandelson slash Epstein scandal and having lost Morgan McSweeney,
00:38:28he wants to put as much distance between himself and that crisis that's coming as possible. He does
00:38:34not want to have to turn to the public, who he has already royally ticked off and say,
00:38:38oh, yeah, by the way, I backed the war that has caused this energy price spike that I didn't prepare
00:38:44us for. Yeah, I agree with you about Zach Polanski. He needs to look up a little bit of recent
00:38:49history,
00:38:49have a look at the 1960s, because he seems to think that he's at the vanguard of a new modern
00:38:55radical way of thinking. No, no, no, it's very old fashioned. It was prevalent during the 60s and
00:39:02the 70s, this kind of sixth form revolutionary kind of Marxist standpoint. So all he is is a throwback
00:39:11to the fairly distant past. As for Corbyn, Corbyn has always been like that. And as for the Prime
00:39:20Minister, I know, I think I know what is coursing through his veins. And it's not courage. It is a
00:39:30fear that he may be compared to Tony Blair. Those, the Starmerites of the Labour Party are terrified
00:39:38that Labour might make the same mistake that Blair did with Iraq, and get us involved into what they
00:39:46like to call an illegal war. Now that is a terrifying prospect to Keir Starmer. Oh my God, it could
00:39:54be
00:39:54against international law. We can't have that. I mean, the way he makes these statements,
00:40:00it is legal, the legalities, the legalities. You know, stop going on about your own job,
00:40:06mate. We're not that bothered about the legalities and international law. But I think that this
00:40:12government, this cabinet is being propelled by a terror that it could be in these circumstances
00:40:21with another massive Middle Eastern war, be compared with Tony Blair, going in illegally
00:40:28against the interests of this country. That's what they're worried about.
00:40:32I think that's also a very important point. Yes, because it did batter Labour's reputation in the
00:40:37aftermath of Iraq and Afghanistan. There's no question about that. The funny thing is about all
00:40:42of this, though, the Prime Minister, he is hapless, he is listing, he doesn't really have much of a
00:40:46direction, he doesn't really have much of an ideology. The strange thing about all of this is that this
00:40:50crisis is going to present a golden opportunity for this Labour government to have the fabled reset
00:40:56that Keir Starmer longs for at all times. He is being handed an emergency situation where he can
00:41:03turn around and he can say, we have had in the UK decades of poor energy planning, poor immigration
00:41:10policy and poor defence policy. Well, I know that it's unpopular with the green wing of my party,
00:41:17the loonies, the millibands of this world. But this is an emergency. This is an opportunity now,
00:41:22as Donald Trump has been talking about, to look at sources of energy beyond what comes under the
00:41:27very narrow remit of net zero. That means fracking, that means coal, that means North Sea oil. And it's
00:41:33time to start investing in our armed forces. And it's time to look again properly at the immigration
00:41:39policies of this country. He has the excuse now to do this. This crisis has given it to him,
00:41:44and it would be an opportunity to win back support in the centre and from reform, which we've got to
00:41:50be clear here, there are votes to be gained there for Labour, or at the very least, to take the
00:41:54sting
00:41:54out of the tail of reform. He has this once in a generation opportunity to seize the crisis and use
00:42:00it to his advantage. Is he going to do it? Nobody listening to this show believes for a second that
00:42:04he has the imagination to think that way. No. And I'll give you some breaking news,
00:42:09some exclusive news. You referred there, you alluded to the appalling mishandling by this government of
00:42:16the migrant crisis. Well, I can exclusively reveal that as we speak, hundreds of migrants are pouring
00:42:24across the channel illegally again. So much for the Home Secretary, Shibana Mahmood, a big crackdown,
00:42:31so much for any of this Labour government's policies on this. They're coming over undeterred,
00:42:38as always, in their hundreds. Why? Because the only deterrent, the weather, is nice today.
00:42:45Get set for another spring and summer of discontent when it comes to all these foreigners pouring
00:42:51across the channel illegally. Good, isn't it? Well, before we start, let's just remind ourselves of that
00:42:57devastating moment during that impromptu White House press conference in the Oval Office. He's
00:43:03ostensibly discussing tariffs with Friedrich Mertz, the German Chancellor, but of course was
00:43:10going way off piste talking about all the support he's not getting from European countries.
00:43:17Let's remember what Donald Trump said just now.
00:43:23I'm not, by the way, I'm not happy with the UK either. That island that you read about, the lease,
00:43:31okay, he made it for whatever reason, he made a lease of the island. Somebody came and took it away
00:43:36from him. And it's taken three, four days for us to work out where we can land there. It would
00:43:43have
00:43:43been much more convenient landing there as opposed to flying many extra hours. So we are very surprised.
00:43:48This is not Winston Churchill that we're dealing with.
00:43:54I mean, it doesn't get worse than that. There's your front pages of every newspaper sorted out
00:43:59tomorrow, James. And he says this just as the French Navy, French warships are protecting and defending
00:44:10the British air base in Cyprus. Because we are not. When Iran clearly fired two missiles at that
00:44:19air base over the weekend, one of them was a direct hit. The other one mercifully just missed.
00:44:25The Defence Secretary John Healey went on to television to say that it must have been an accident.
00:44:30It's just that what's happening is that the mad mullahs are just firing out missiles everywhere.
00:44:35And who knows where they may land? Two missiles basically landed on the air base in Cyprus.
00:44:43And our government said that was a mistake. That was an accident. And now we're being protected
00:44:48by the French. And only now, just now, about an hour ago, did the government finally announce,
00:44:53oh, we'll send one of our warships there as well, HMS Dragon. This Prime Minister,
00:44:58Keir Starmer, is embarrassing this great nation, isn't he?
00:45:03Look, it would be really tempting and really fun to just stick the boot in on Starmer. God knows you
00:45:10and I have done that a lot together already over the last few months and years. My initial reaction
00:45:15to seeing this was just sadness at how irrelevant and weak we now seem to be. I'm not saying we
00:45:22need
00:45:22to go in gung-ho, boots on the ground, taking any steps of involvement in this campaign in the
00:45:28initial offensive stages, not least because, of course, we can't, because we've got such
00:45:34weakened armed forces. But just so sad to see that the special relationship, something I believe in
00:45:40almost as passionately as anything else, has come to this level. Trump is not immune from criticism,
00:45:45of course, in that, with the way that he's talked about Canada, shares a king with us. Obviously,
00:45:50the way he talked about Greenland was silly and totally unnecessary. But even so, when it comes
00:45:55down to it, the fact that the Iranian regime is the most evil and barbaric, or one of the most
00:46:00evil
00:46:01and barbaric groups out there, the kinds of horrors that they've done to their own people, the kinds of
00:46:06horrors they've done to the Brits, the fact that Starmer's government has come out, not Starmer's
00:46:10government, it's king's government, the government that Starmer runs, has come out and said that the
00:46:14Iranian regime has sponsored, what, almost two dozen at least attempted terrorist attacks inside
00:46:21the United Kingdom. There have been various people who've been arrested about this, the number of
00:46:26attacks that they've sponsored and caused, the people who died in Iraq by roadside bombs, all of
00:46:32which were created by Hassan Soleimani, who is one of the leaders of the IRGC, the kinds of horrors around
00:46:38the world. And instead of sticking our shoulder to the wheel and helping out, or at least just saying
00:46:43to the Americans, yep, use that base that you've got, we hummed and hard about international law
00:46:49and all the rest of it. I don't want to, by the way, totally destroy the idea of international law
00:46:54either. I think it's a useful mechanism for states to be able to arbitrate disputes with one another
00:47:00without having to resort to violence. But if you hide behind it, not just to the end of not being
00:47:06able to do the moral decent thing. But even when the international law doesn't stop you doing it,
00:47:11you hide behind it and lie, as I think it seems Starmer and Richard Hermer have done,
00:47:17on the pure domestic politics of it, the fact that they lost their seat to the Greens,
00:47:21the fact that we're going to see civil unrest because of various communities
00:47:24and all the rest of it, this is just absolutely disgraceful. And we've been humiliated on the biggest
00:47:29stage of all.
00:47:29Absolutely right. I mean, this isn't, you know, Keir Starmer confronted by this sudden explosion of the
00:47:37Middle Eastern war, all out war in the Middle East. His reaction, a good politician would have an
00:47:45instinctive reaction. They would know how to handle this situation. His reaction was to dive his head
00:47:51into the international law books and to look at the legality. And I have established that we can
00:47:58allow the Americans to use our air bases in very limited way, defensive and against only missile
00:48:06storage units. You know, he's obviously found that clause somewhere. Now, a proper prime minister,
00:48:12a prime minister with the correct kind of instincts would have known that what you do in this circumstance,
00:48:18whatever you think of what America just did alongside Israel, you support your ally and you
00:48:24say so. Now, had Keir Starmer have come out and said, uh, we are four square, uh, we stand four
00:48:31square
00:48:31shoulder to shoulder with our oldest and closest ally, America, and indeed, uh, our old and close ally,
00:48:37Israel, lest we forget, he still is a close ally. We stand shoulder to shoulder with them. It would have
00:48:43been fine. That's all he had to do because it's not like Trump would have turned around
00:48:47and said, right, if you stand shoulder to shoulder to us, I'll have a billion bucks worth of weapons
00:48:52and you can send in 10,000 troops and I want warship. He would have just said, thank you.
00:48:57And the special relationship would have actually got stronger. Instead, Starmer's moral cowardice,
00:49:05his retreat into the dusty pages of the international law books has left the special relationship in
00:49:13tatters. And as I say, that is both infuriating and very sad.
00:49:19Absolutely. And just to put this into some context, I know there are some people still listening who
00:49:25will be critical because orange man bad. And that's the level of analysis that some people have when
00:49:29it comes to Trump, but the special relationship goes very, very deep. It goes into crucially the
00:49:36different intelligence services of the stuff that the British intelligence and American intelligence
00:49:40share with one another keeps very many Brits and very many Americans safe and has done for a long
00:49:46time and, God willing, will continue to do for a long time. But that is put in jeopardy because of
00:49:51this. It's put in jeopardy because of this stupid, ridiculous Chagos deal, where exactly as you say,
00:49:58the international lawyers seem to be running things to the detriment of actual morality and lives being
00:50:04risked and all the rest of it. What would have happened, by the way, if one of those American jets
00:50:08is trying to take down this terrible regime that could get itself nuclear weapons? And by the way,
00:50:13Britain is known as one of the two little Satans alongside Israel, with America being the great Satan.
00:50:18It's not an irrelevant thing for us. The same regime that's now aiming missiles at British people
00:50:24living across the region. What would happen if one of those brave fighter pilots having to go
00:50:28those extra many miles to go and refuel or to go and land again? What if something bad happened
00:50:34to them when they could have safely landed at the American base in the Chagos Islands? I wouldn't
00:50:38be able to sleep at night knowing that we'd done that to them. But I think that we should also
00:50:42bring
00:50:43this back to the domestic in some way, shape or form. What is the other reason why Starmer and all
00:50:49of
00:50:49his little mates are hiding behind international law? It's not just that they are lawyers.
00:50:54Let's just talk about international law for a second. Now, you know, it will be argued that
00:51:00both Trump and Netanyahu, America and Israel, did break international law when they launched this
00:51:06attack on Iran. It will probably be argued quite successfully. In the end, it doesn't amount to a
00:51:12hill of beans. Who cares? What is going to happen to America and Israel for breaking international law?
00:51:18I'll tell you what will happen to them. Absolutely nothing. And when you have a prime minister who
00:51:24worships at the altar of this weird construct, international law, it puts this nation into big
00:51:31trouble because international law in and of itself was proved to be a nonsense at the weekend. You know,
00:51:39and that's what all the lefties is. Corbyn, Starmer as well, Polanski. You know,
00:51:45all hell has broken loose in the Middle East. People are dying. Bombs are raining down on
00:51:50countries all over that benighted region. And what are the lefties saying? What is Starmer thinking?
00:51:56Oh, we think they might have broken the rules. This is like a sickness for them. It's a sickness.
00:52:03Not a single normal person in this country gives a flying damn about international law.
00:52:10And yet we have a prime minister for whom it is a sacred God that must be obeyed
00:52:16in all circumstances. And that is not good enough for a leader of this country.
00:52:22No, absolutely not. And again, I said, I said earlier, there is a role for this sort of stuff,
00:52:27right? All the planes that people listening to this who will have gone and landed in,
00:52:31let's say, Dubai or Abu Dhabi or somewhere like that, they all operate on various international
00:52:35agreements and rules and things like that to keep the right airways open. And we all agree
00:52:39the right kind of safety standards, all that sort of interoperability. There's all that stuff
00:52:44that runs along in the background, and that's all well and good. But I think that what we've got here
00:52:48is the fact that it's being made a mockery, exactly as you say, because the higher echelons
00:52:53of international law, shall we put it, is used to almost exclusively hamstring countries like Britain
00:52:59who acts as if it really matters on that top stage. Where in the international law does it say,
00:53:05oh, well, Iran's trying to get a nuclear weapon, but we won't let you do anything about it until
00:53:10they're about five minutes away from pushing the button. That's obviously not acceptable. And no
00:53:15self-respecting country that wants to survive, frankly, would go in for that. And that is,
00:53:20again, why we hold the fact that the Israelis and the Americans did this in the timing in which they
00:53:24did it to be very important. I think both morally and militarily justified.
00:53:29What are your feelings about this? I mean, it does seem terribly humiliating. You know,
00:53:35Britannia rules the waves. For several days this week, as the Middle Eastern war has erupted,
00:53:41after two missiles were fired at our air base in Cyprus, the French warships were protecting British
00:53:50military personnel there. And now apparently the French have been given a break because the Greek
00:53:55Navy, Greek frigates have gone in to do that job. We remain conspicuous by our absence. The
00:54:03Prime Minister yesterday deploying HMS Dragon to go there, which hasn't even left Portsmouth yet,
00:54:11Portsmouth Harbour, and is not expecting to get there for a week. I mean, this is humiliating for a
00:54:19naval nation like us, isn't it? It is indeed. And it shows that we're still in peacetime mode. The
00:54:26worst kept secret on the international circuit has been the prospect of America preemptively striking
00:54:34Iran. Therefore, all the protocols should have been brought out the door, all the address rehearsals,
00:54:39all the planning should have been brought to the fore to say, what do we do if this happens? And
00:54:45that
00:54:45means tasking ships, frigates and destroyers to the relevant parts of the world to protect our assets.
00:54:52And Cyprus is right up there at the top of the list. It begs another question, though, as to why
00:54:58you
00:54:58are sending a destroyer. It isn't so much that it's going to protect the maritime waters around Cyprus or
00:55:05in the near offshore. It's actually because of the air defense capabilities that Type 45 possesses. The
00:55:13Samson radar is the best in the world. From an air defense perspective, it can take out multiple
00:55:18targets at range. The trouble is, we have nothing on the ground. We have no air defense capabilities
00:55:24over Cyprus. We have none over London, either. We have nothing like the Iron Dome construct that we see
00:55:30working so formidably in Israel. This is the sort of thing the United States have. This is the sort of
00:55:35thing every country needs with the advancement of drones, particularly those Shahad Kamikaze drones that
00:55:41Iran has an endless supply of, I repeat that, an endless supply of. And we're now shooting some of
00:55:49these drones incoming down with weapon systems that are 15, 20 times more expensive than the actual
00:55:58drones themselves. The sort of thinking that goes in there to develop our defense posture to respond to
00:56:05modern warfare has clearly not been visible. I call for an increase in defense spending to upgrade
00:56:11maritime lands and indeed our air components back in 2019. It takes a number of years to build these
00:56:20platforms to get them out to sea. And as we see, we're now finding wanting we have six destroyers. And
00:56:27with destroyers, a couple are preparing to go out. The training is taking place, a couple are on duty,
00:56:34out doing their functions, and then two are on long-term repair, being upgraded. And that means
00:56:40you only have two available. There's a rotation of three at any one moment. We simply don't have
00:56:46enough. At the end of the Cold War, we had 50 frigates and destroyers. Today, we have less than a
00:56:52dozen.
00:56:52Now, in fairness to the government, there are more coming through the pipeline, but they're not there yet.
00:56:57Yeah, sorry to interrupt there, Tobias. But obviously, we take all of that on board. Our depleted
00:57:04military forces are a sad fact of life. But that notwithstanding, isn't the Prime Minister guilty of,
00:57:13you know, an egregious lack of preparation. As you said, everybody knew this was coming.
00:57:18Surely, he should have deployed some of our naval force, maybe even military force to that region
00:57:26to protect British interests, particularly the Cyprus airbrace. Instead, nothing. All he seems to
00:57:32have done is to have stuck his head into his beloved international law books to decide whether or not
00:57:38this dispute or this conflict is legal. Frankly, that's a complete waste of time now. And I, you
00:57:46know, I just think he's at heart, I don't, I don't condemn him for this, but at heart, he's a
00:57:53traditional old lefty socialist pacifist. So as this war erupts, and it is massive, it is a massive war
00:58:02going on. What is he doing? He is calling for de-escalation. He's got his nose in his international
00:58:09law books with his mate Richard Hermer. Frankly, international law doesn't even matter at the
00:58:14moment. It is what it is. We're seeing that. And he calls for de-escalation, which under the
00:58:20circumstances I said earlier, is a bit like standing in front of a tidal wave and politely asking it to
00:58:26stop. I mean, he is just a kind of model of ineffectiveness, isn't he? Yeah, well, you covered
00:58:33a lot of issues. I mean, firstly, just on the question itself. The first thing that happened,
00:58:37quite rightly, when the attack started taking place on the weekend, is a cobra was called.
00:58:42That's the moment then to say, where are our assets? We need to move them into the right places.
00:58:48Action, please. And nothing happened. That's when you should have moved your Type 45. But I go back to
00:58:53what I was saying before, is that this was no secret what America was about to do, given the
00:58:58fact that they had put all their assets into the Mediterranean. That was the moment then to say,
00:59:03weeks ago, what's going on here? Let's make sure that our interests around the world are then
00:59:11protected. What's our maritime capability? It could be, operationally, the ships simply weren't ready to
00:59:17sail. And that's another shocker. But we've sort of covered that ground to say just how depleted,
00:59:22how overstretched our armed forces are. And this is the drama here. You talk about
00:59:28international law. We should have something, I'm afraid, that links all nations together.
00:59:32I agree with that.
00:59:33That's above that. I agree with that.
00:59:34I do agree. Let me finish the point, because I'm now perhaps going to surprise you by saying,
00:59:39once the first shots were fired, I disagreed with Trump going in, much as this is a terrible
00:59:45regime, a sponsor of terrorism. But if you don't know what victory looks like, if you don't know why
00:59:52you're sending troops into harm's way, what is the long-term outcome, then you have to question
00:59:57whether it's the right moment to do so before you've done some more planning. That said, once
01:00:02you've crossed the line, or America in this case has crossed the line, the circumstances change. This
01:00:07has been for generations, a country that has caused so much discord, instability across the Middle East.
01:00:14They've attacked other nations, they've used their proxy influence, and the world has complained about
01:00:19it, but not done anything about it. Now we have a potential for regime change. There's no doubt about
01:00:25that. My view is, is that after decades of causing so much influence, negative influence across,
01:00:33this is the moment that we join in and fill the gaps that America doesn't have, which is to say,
01:00:38how do you transit from this theocratic regime into a more democratic and open society, which is what
01:00:45the Iranian people want. And my fear, my fear is, is that Trump will call stumps in a couple weeks'
01:00:52time, and it'll be a Venezuela situation, whereby it's the same regime, under new leadership,
01:00:59making promises to Donald Trump, I'm not doing nuclear, I'm not doing long-range missiles,
01:01:03I'm not going to support those proxies, and then we all go home. And the Iranian people are the ones
01:01:08that lose out, as does the Middle East, because in a couple years' time, we'll be back to square one.
01:01:13Exactly. Last question, Tobias, slightly facetious, but do you agree with President Donald Trump that
01:01:21Keir Starmer is no Winston Churchill? Well, I think I understand why he's actually said that.
01:01:29We don't get to pluck a Winston Churchill when we need them. I mean, there's a wider debate that we
01:01:33are not getting the energised leadership, the strategists that require us to take Britain into
01:01:39a higher level of command and statecraft. We simply don't get them. Nobody's attracted to become a
01:01:46politician anymore on the scale that we require them. Therefore, we're left with what gets elected.
01:01:52You are right to say that this is very much a more pacifist of a prime minister than we require
01:01:59at
01:02:00this moment. There is a state of urgency around Britain. There's an absolute duty to defend Britain
01:02:05and to stand up, and we're not getting that yet. He needs to elevate his game for the betterment of
01:02:11Britain. The bigger question as to why we don't get these Churchillian characters,
01:02:15that's for another debate, isn't it? Now, let me ask you this. Well, look,
01:02:21I was going through Instagram yesterday. You know, I love to flick through my social media,
01:02:26and there was a big post from Meghan from As Ever, you know, her weird online store where she sells
01:02:35mundane domestic products for astronomical prices. $64 for a candle, anyone? No, thanks. Anyway,
01:02:44there's the full range, and guess what? It was a special Ramadan offer. So, as I said,
01:02:52I guess that's how to make a fast buck out of fasting. I mean, it's opportunistic,
01:02:58but kind of vulgar, don't you think, to cash in on a sacred religious festival? Buy my wares?
01:03:07What do you expect from these people? I mean, it just reeks of Sarah Ferguson and her 3am
01:03:15home shopping network hits where she's trying to sell you a blender that you don't need
01:03:20as you're trying to keep your eyes open. I will say that there are new reports out of the US
01:03:27that suggest that Harry and Meghan are incredibly nervous about the possibility of a tell-all memoir
01:03:34from Sarah Ferguson, because according to insiders, several publishers have approached
01:03:40Sarah with lucrative offers to write a new book about her life inside the royal family. And the concern
01:03:47for Harry and Meghan is that that memoir, or a memoir of that scale, would, of course,
01:03:54revisit some of the most controversial moments in royal history, including the fallout from Megxit.
01:04:00Did you want to say something? No, no, no. It's just that I was going to say,
01:04:04you know, we often splice you into my TV show, What Just Happened, and we recorded it this afternoon,
01:04:10and this was our kind of lead story, that Fergie, Sarah Ferguson, no longer, of course,
01:04:18the Duchess of York, she's had her title stripped from her, has been deluged with extremely big money
01:04:24offers to write her bombshell tell-all tome. And of course, she's been telling friends,
01:04:31oh, she would never stoop to that. But she will stoop to that. She's got no other source of income
01:04:36now. We know she's been desperately jet-setting around the world. She's gone from a £13,000
01:04:43a night Zurich wellness retreat to a spa hotel, a VIP spa hotel in Ireland. She's been to the Middle
01:04:53East begging for money. She's got no economic options left. No one's giving her money anymore,
01:04:59but she's being offered a lot to write this book. She said she would never do that.
01:05:03She will do it. And that is very bad news for Meghan and Harry, because when Meghan first was going
01:05:12out
01:05:13with Harry back in 2016, and she came over to Britain, Fergie took her under her wing, and the word
01:05:21is
01:05:21Meghan confided all her secrets to Fergie. So those secrets, trust me, are coming soon to a
01:05:29book near you written by the treacherous Sarah Ferguson. It's going to happen, Kinsey, make no
01:05:35mistake. Well, I mean, we've seen Sarah risk it all. Previously, when she wrote that, when she wrote
01:05:42one of her other books, I mean, she lost Diana as a very close personal friend because she wrote about
01:05:47Diana giving her warts and borrowing some of Diana's shoes and Diana's shoes giving her warts.
01:05:53I think that there's a bigger scandal, you know, that could potentially be brewing. I think
01:05:59personally that Meghan utilized the York girl, the York women, I should say, Beatrice and Eugenie to
01:06:06get closer to Prince Harry. And I think that that's an element of the story that Harry and Meghan leave
01:06:12out. You know, what they're ultimately scared of with a Fergie book is alternative versions of events
01:06:18coming out. Since Harry and Meghan moved here, they've monetized their version of events, not
01:06:24necessarily the truth, but their truth through Spotify, Netflix and Harry's book deal. And the
01:06:30royal family's refusal to engage with them has allowed those versions to go largely unchallenged.
01:06:36But Fergie has at least one daughter that has been especially close to Harry throughout the
01:06:42breakdown of the relationship. Eugenie not only went to the Super Bowl with him, we've seen her in
01:06:46Montecito with her husband having dinner with Harry and Meghan. Eugenie lived in Frogmore Cottage
01:06:52with their amongst their things, amongst Meghan's journals. Like Eugenie lived there during the
01:06:58pandemic before they were instructed that they had to move out and move all of their things out of
01:07:03there. So I think that whether Meghan confided in Fergie or Eugenie confided in her mother, and we know
01:07:11that they're very, very close, Fergie has secrets and her financial desperation takes her to dark
01:07:19places, cash for access. So I do believe that the Sussexes could and should be worried about this new
01:07:25development. Yeah. And of course, the rest of the royal family as well. But I think principally, Meghan
01:07:30is the one quaking in her shoes. And make no mistake, as the Epstein files have revealed,
01:07:37Fergie has no morality whatsoever. She will sell the Sussexes down the river as soon as look at them.
01:07:45She will not hesitate. She desperately needs money. Now, her entire life has been based on massive debt,
01:07:54massive spending, massive borrowing, expecting others to fund a lifestyle she simply can't afford.
01:08:01And she's run out of rope. No one will give her any money now. And yet on the table is
01:08:08this massive
01:08:08offer from publishers. I mean, I've got to tell you, if she puts poison pen to paper, I'll read the
01:08:15book.
01:08:15So will millions of others. She'll take that money. We'll read the book live right here.
01:08:20Yeah, we will. We'll do it like a kind of storybook for kids. But seriously, she'll take that money.
01:08:26So this is real. This is a serious threat. I agree. And if it's true that Prince William is done
01:08:35with the
01:08:35York women, he is done trying to pander to Beatrice and Eugenie. And he was fired up over those Epstein
01:08:43reveals that they were spending time with him after his incarceration. Then Fergie's got nothing
01:08:48to lose because the only reason she wouldn't go this direction is to protect the princesses,
01:08:54is to protect and ensure that they had a future within the royal fold. If those days are over,
01:09:00Fergie's got nothing to lose. Yeah. And I think those days for Princess B,
01:09:04what the current Princess B and the current Princess Eugenie, those days are over. I mean,
01:09:10we already know that the royal family, the king has let it be known. He doesn't want to see them
01:09:15at
01:09:15Ascot. He doesn't want to see them associated with the family anymore. William and Kate have
01:09:21completely cut them off. And you brilliantly zoned in on that when we spoke, I believe, on Monday,
01:09:28when you said the moment when William, William and Kate had always been very friendly to them,
01:09:33despite their parents, because William hates Andrew and so does Harry, by the way. But William said,
01:09:40listen, there's a lot of questions, B and Eugenie, about your finances. Where did you get your money?
01:09:46He said, I suggest the way we clear this is we send in ethical accountants to go into your finances
01:09:54so that we can make sure that all your money is above board. And guess what? B and Eugenie
01:10:01didn't like that idea. They resisted it. They rejected it. And you would have to deduce that the
01:10:08reason they did that is if people do go into their finances, we might not like what we find at
01:10:14that
01:10:15point. William cut them off. The king has cut them off. I think they're going to use lose their princess
01:10:20titles very soon. I think that's something that they should be worried about, because one thing we
01:10:26were surprised about in October of 2025 was how quickly the king took action and yanked Andrews
01:10:33away. We were under the impression that it was going to take, you know, some much more muscle
01:10:39parliament. But apparently it can just happen at a snap of your fingers if things are getting
01:10:45really bad. So I think that that should be something that they should be concerned about,
01:10:50but not as concerned as the Sussexes. Yeah, this royal family are in the mood for title stripping.
01:10:56So it'll be the princesses B and Eugenie next. Then, at my guess, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex,
01:11:04Harry and Eugenie, Harry and Meghan and also their kids. So yeah, it's all happening. What's the feeling
01:11:11of the people over there? Because the prime minister has just addressed the nation here and assured us that
01:11:17he's taken all possible steps to protect British citizens and the British air bases on your island.
01:11:24And as far as we can see, the people who have been protecting our citizens and our air bases are
01:11:32the
01:11:33French Navy, the Greek Navy, and now the Spanish Navy. Are you feeling protected by Keir Starmer?
01:11:42People are bemused. I'll put it that way. It's what happened on Monday morning.
01:11:48The bases in Cyprus have never been popular among the local population. And in the aftermath of Monday,
01:11:54the fact that they were left unprotected and the rest of the island therefore was left unprotected,
01:11:59including local villages nearby, has left people more bemused than they were before.
01:12:06And that's why the local government here enlisted the help of the French and the Greeks and the
01:12:12Spanish. And now, I believe as well, the Dutch and the Italian.
01:12:16Gone for the quartet, have we? The Dutch now.
01:12:19Yes, brigades have also been sent, well, to be sent in our direction by those countries,
01:12:25because Cyprus felt exposed on Monday morning after the landing of the drone.
01:12:30Yeah. And, you know, we've got this ship HMS Dragon still is heading in your direction,
01:12:39allegedly, but it's still in port in Portsmouth and will be for at least another week before it
01:12:43even sets sails. Now, our allies in the Middle East and the Mediterranean, including Cyprus,
01:12:50we've had Bahrain, the UAE and the government of Cyprus, obviously an ally of ours, have all expressed
01:12:59their disappointment. They say that Starmer and Britain have let them down. I mean,
01:13:03that presumably, that is the feeling of the Cypriot government. Presumably, the British citizens
01:13:10there feel pretty much the same. Well, I haven't spoken to too many British citizens in the recent
01:13:15days. I know a lot of them are either involved in the bases or live out west of the island.
01:13:20And there was
01:13:20fear in Bafos in the west of the islands regarding one of the objects which was sent in Cyprus's
01:13:28direction around lunchtime on Monday. The airport in Bafos was also evacuated briefly.
01:13:32Yeah.
01:13:33So people in general, no matter where they're from and how long they've been in Cyprus,
01:13:39do feel bemused, let's say it. What's happened in the last few days and people have varying opinions
01:13:44on what's happened since and the sending of other countries infrastructure towards the island. Some
01:13:50believe that now we are better protected. Some believe that it's putting a target on the island's
01:13:54back effectively, given that the belief initially was that the existence of the British base put the
01:14:01target on the island's back and a target which was left undefended.
01:14:05I mean, that will obviously be the case. You know, British military bases will be of interest,
01:14:14shall we say, to Iran, to our enemies. So I guess that is inevitable. But, I mean,
01:14:22how long have you lived there, Tom?
01:14:24I moved over when I was a teenager. So it's been about...
01:14:27Well, only about six months then, right?
01:14:30Thanks.
01:14:31No, it's been about, I'm trying to think now, about eight or nine years that I've been in Cyprus now,
01:14:36yeah.
01:14:37And to your knowledge, about how many British citizens live there?
01:14:41There's a fair few. I put it in the six figures, definitely. There's a lot of people,
01:14:46particularly in coastal areas, as I say, Bafos is a big hub for British citizens. So, yeah,
01:14:52it's a big place for British people. Obviously, since the UK left the European Union,
01:14:58that number is... the number of incomings has gone down, because now British citizens obviously
01:15:02require a visa and a residence permit to live here. But still, the numbers remain high.
01:15:07Yeah. And how many are on the military bases, if you know that?
01:15:11I do not know. There are permanent staff and there are people who rotate in and out as well.
01:15:17So I don't know exactly how many, but it's a large...
01:15:20Would it be thousands? Would it be thousands?
01:15:22Quite possibly. It's three percent of the island's population is taken up by these base areas.
01:15:26That includes areas around the bases themselves in which Cypriots live. There are Cypriot villages
01:15:32within those base areas. As I said, one of them was evacuated the village of Akrodiri itself
01:15:37on Monday morning, and the schools in five villages around Akrodiri were also shut as a precaution.
01:15:43But yeah, it could be in the thousands.
01:15:47And generally speaking on the island, I mean, people must be nervous, because you are
01:15:51sort of almost in the thick of it as this massive Middle Eastern all-out war erupts.
01:15:58Nervous times for you, I assume?
01:16:01There is a bit of fear going around. Obviously, Monday morning didn't help at all.
01:16:04You know, people waking up to a drone having hit the island. And obviously, there have been various
01:16:12alerts since then. The most recent one was earlier this afternoon. I think about half past four.
01:16:17It ended up being nothing, but an alert was sent around. And whenever an alert is sent around,
01:16:21fear is obviously heightened. And like you say, given the location in which we find ourselves,
01:16:28it does create fear. Even last year, when there was a 12-day conflict, you could see the missiles from
01:16:34Cyprus.
01:16:35Yeah, right. I'll tell you one thing, Tom. The good news, from your point of view, is that you've
01:16:39got your front page sorted out. So, you know, good story for you.
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