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Ancora nessuna traccia delle due ragazzine che si sono allontanate di notte da una casa-famiglia in Abruzzo. È uno dei casi al centro di questa puntata di "Chi l'ha visto?". La Procura ha aperto un fascicolo per sottrazione di minore contro ignoti e il padre ha denunciato i responsabili della comunità per mancata vigilanza. Ma il responsabile della struttura afferma che le ragazze erano seguite e che non avevano dato nessun segnale. Come si sono allontanate di notte? C'era qualcuno ad aspettarle? E poi il cosiddetto "giallo di Rimini": dopo quasi due anni di carcere, Louis Dassilva viene assolto e scarcerato. Ma allora chi ha ucciso Pierina Paganelli? Gli avvocati di Dassilva hanno chiesto di prendere in considerazione cinque piste alternative: la prima riguarda un capello (che era tra le labbra della donna) che l'inviato di "Chi l'ha visto?" Giuseppe Pizzo ha scoperto non essere stato repertato. In studio, in diretta, Loris Bianchi, il fratello di Manuela. Infine, il caso di mamma e figlia morte avvelenate a Pietracatella: sul telefono di Antonella Di Ielsi sarebbero stati trovati elementi utili alle indagini e un'amica di famiglia è stata denunciata per favoreggiamento. Come sempre spazio agli appelli, alle richieste di aiuto, alle segnalazioni dei telespettatori di persone in difficoltà.
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00:00:04So Loris, if I may, studying the papers, as one usually does, I found
00:00:10something that really doesn't add up to me.
00:00:12So, what's going on?
00:00:14That she is at home with Manuela, they had dinner together, and Manuela's daughter, so her granddaughter,
00:00:24she is heard and says that she left around 10.05pm, 10pm to 10pm.
00:00:29Let's consider that Pierina was killed, we know, because we can hear the scream of this poor woman, at 10pm.
00:00:35.13.
00:00:36We have reconstructed what the daughter told the investigators, then we'll see what happens, we'll hear.
00:00:43Loris ate with us and followed the Jehovah's Witnesses' meeting.
00:00:47After the dance he left, about 20 minutes later.
00:00:51The dance ended at 9.45pm and he left a quarter of an hour, 20 minutes later, so
00:00:57around 10.05am.
00:00:5910.10.
00:01:00In these 20 minutes we put back in place the table we had used to eat.
00:01:06Loris didn't play with the dog, because the dog doesn't like to play with strangers.
00:01:11I remember the time well, because on the kitchen wall there is a clock and the hands were at 10pm.
00:01:16.05, 22.10 at most.
00:01:21So he says that 10.05pm, 10.10pm at the latest and Pierina is killed at 10.13pm.
00:01:26What's going on? But there's this famous photograph, of you with these arms stretched out on the ground.
00:01:32So the investigators, with this photograph in hand, say that it is from 10.49pm, they show it to his niece who
00:01:41at this point, however, the time changes.
00:01:45Let's see what he says.
00:01:54So, basically, when they show him the photograph it's not possible that he left at 10.05pm, 10.10pm.
00:02:01So if we get back to the point, because I see... there you go.
00:02:06So, let's see what the granddaughter will say about the time she leaves the house.
00:02:12Loris.
00:02:14I remember that before leaving, Loris lay down on the ground to see if Maya was coming closer.
00:02:19The dog came over, they used it and it went away.
00:02:23If that photo was taken at 10:49 PM, I'm sorry, I had that time in mind.
00:02:28I'm sorry if I said one thing for another, but that time was what I had in mind.
00:02:35It's a strange thing, isn't it?
00:02:36That is, why first the security at 10.10pm and then later this version changes?
00:02:44If I'm not mistaken, I even claim to have left at 10:30 pm.
00:02:49In situations, it's sad to say, of normality, because that evening there was no normality.
00:02:54There are no reference points to base the timetables on.
00:02:59what time did he leave, what time did he arrive, what time is he there.
00:03:01It's not like we're looking, so it takes me 10 minutes to go there, 15 to go here.
00:03:05So when we were rebuilding it was very roughly the same thing.
00:03:08Of course, it's difficult because then one isn't...
00:03:10Exactly, yes, the prosecutor also took the photo out of me.
00:03:13that I absolutely didn't remember, he said, you can't have left at 10.30pm.
00:03:16But Loris, I can be direct, right?
00:03:17Then you, well, came here.
00:03:19I just want to point out one thing, Federica, if you'll allow me.
00:03:22The girl who was a minor at the time associated her uncle's leaving home
00:03:28after the photo was taken.
00:03:30This is important, precisely because of the causal link.
00:03:34So, in the meantime, then the prosecutor shows...
00:03:37But he associated it later, but the problem is...
00:03:39He also associated it with the first summary information.
00:03:40A person who, let's say, from the outside, right?
00:03:42Read this statement.
00:03:46He says, but then, maybe Loris went down and then came back up.
00:03:51Because the problem there is that, for goodness sake, I don't want to accuse her of anything,
00:03:55Of course, but Pierina was probably killed by someone.
00:03:58of the building, because you don't see anyone following her into the garage, right?
00:04:02So the problem is someone who can go down, who can go back up.
00:04:05Isn't this strange fact, Loris?
00:04:08Seeing it from the outside, of course it can be strange.
00:04:10That one, without a doubt.
00:04:11It is logical that we have had so much, so much time and so many times
00:04:14to then be able to verify this information.
00:04:17I mean, there are investigators for this purpose, because if everyone were to judge...
00:04:20I didn't go down, I didn't go back up.
00:04:22No, absolutely not.
00:04:23I went out once and that was when I went home.
00:04:25But it is also said about the Health application on Loris's phone itself.
00:04:32So, I wanted to tell you something.
00:04:34What is the motive, let's say, for Da Silva?
00:04:39Pierina found out about this relationship, right?
00:04:42Which is a clandestine relationship, after all it's about the son, the daughter-in-law, etc.
00:04:47And so Da Silva somehow doesn't want to be discovered.
00:04:53But Pierina is not well regarded by her either.
00:04:56That is, she, Loris, doesn't have a good relationship with Pierina.
00:05:01That is, what, for example, Giuliano's brother says about her.
00:05:08it's just that his presence at Pierina's house was actually not welcome.
00:05:14We can hear it and then you comment on it.
00:05:15You're welcome, you're welcome.
00:05:16Well, first of all, they're all verbal.
00:05:17Sure, yes, they are the first, in short, the information.
00:05:21For about a year, Manuela had been inviting Loris to her house, without my brother knowing, when he wasn't there.
00:05:26Even though Giuliano reiterated that he didn't want him in his house,
00:05:29as he considered it unstable and even dangerous.
00:05:33Dangerous in what way?
00:05:35For himself and for others, even if I couldn't recount any specific episodes.
00:05:39Coming back to us, I started seeing Loris again after Giuliano's accident,
00:05:43because he accompanied Manuela to the hospital every day.
00:05:46He wasn't talking to anyone, I noticed him staring into space for now.
00:05:50The few times I tried to talk to him, he said he was in therapy,
00:05:54to take the medications prescribed by the psychiatrist,
00:05:57to suffer from anxiety attacks, mood swings,
00:05:59and to always be afraid, because he feels he has a violent component inside him
00:06:04which he must keep at bay.
00:06:07How do you find yourself in this description?
00:06:11So, this is something we've already established over time.
00:06:14There was a situation where I was coming from a divorce.
00:06:18And I had relied a lot, among other things, on Giacomo at that moment,
00:06:21which had proven, even if we haven't seen each other for a long time,
00:06:24an easygoing person.
00:06:26I told him a few things, but I told him a lot.
00:06:29and to sister Chiara about the fact that I was afraid of hurting myself,
00:06:32to do violence to myself.
00:06:34So much so that I was in therapy because I had asked for more help
00:06:40to be able to face a difficult situation.
00:06:42Many fall into alcohol and substances.
00:06:46I simply asked for more help.
00:06:48And I had confided in you about certain things.
00:06:50Then we can also add that it was a very unstable situation for everyone,
00:06:54because there was still one person they gave up for dead every day.
00:06:57We're talking about Giuliano.
00:07:00So many sentences, in my opinion, are false memories,
00:07:02which for me have also been sufficiently ascertained.
00:07:05By the way, there are some additional statements.
00:07:08by Giacomo Saponi himself in Assizes,
00:07:13where it is stated that it was indeed a moment of great emotional stress,
00:07:18also for Giacomo, because unfortunately his mother had died.
00:07:22But then at the time there were four people under attention,
00:07:25because we must also dispel this false myth, Federica,
00:07:28because at the beginning the investigations also focused
00:07:32towards Loris and Manuela.
00:07:35If today Loris and Manuela are out of the investigation,
00:07:39Bianchi and Manuela, the injured party,
00:07:41not constituted as a civil party,
00:07:42by his procedural choice,
00:07:45and Loris Bianchi, witness for the prosecution,
00:07:48it's because there was a prosecutor,
00:07:51not just any one,
00:07:52Dr. Paggi, who is among the best public prosecutors in Italy,
00:07:55let's remember that he solved the Uno Bianca case, for example,
00:08:00I mean he focused the investigations,
00:08:03he never investigated it,
00:08:04because otherwise we make information,
00:08:07and there are two people who in three years have also created a relationship,
00:08:11because we hear from each other almost daily,
00:08:13so of friendship,
00:08:14who find themselves tormented by social media,
00:08:20from YouTube channels and some broadcasts.
00:08:24Why?
00:08:25Not at all.
00:08:26Not at all.
00:08:27No, but I...
00:08:28For what?
00:08:28Look Loris, you, then I have to tell our viewers,
00:08:32he is not under investigation, therefore he has never been investigated.
00:08:35If I were under investigation there would be a reason, you understand?
00:08:38He was, as Barzano says, under scrutiny, right?
00:08:39But it is clear that studying this case,
00:08:41I'm a journalist, so I have questions, right?
00:08:45So, anyway, I read these statements,
00:08:47I understood that he was not well received at Pierina's house,
00:08:51let's say, when Pierina was there,
00:08:52and this, well, I read elsewhere.
00:08:54That's not the case, there are also other reasons there that don't...
00:08:56I wanted to tell you something,
00:08:57you rightly brought up the accident, right?
00:09:00This accident to Giuliano,
00:09:03the bicycle accident.
00:09:05So, what's actually happening?
00:09:07That before the accident, Manuela went to live with her, right?
00:09:10Why is there this period of crisis,
00:09:12nobody knows anything about this relationship with Luis,
00:09:15of this great love, etc.
00:09:17But, please Barzano.
00:09:18No, actually, Federica, well, Manuela was clear,
00:09:21the first genetic ordinance tells us this
00:09:23of the precautionary measure against Luis da Silva.
00:09:26Manuela is defined by Dr. Cantarini,
00:09:29preliminary investigations judge,
00:09:31a loyal person,
00:09:33because before leaving home
00:09:35she communicated to her husband, Giuliano Saponi,
00:09:39that she actually had in her heart...
00:09:42That was in crisis.
00:09:43She was in love with someone else.
00:09:45It was not known that he was da Silva.
00:09:46Even before there actually was just...
00:09:49So she was honest with her husband and said
00:09:51I'm leaving because we're in crisis.
00:09:52Of course, she was honest with everyone and loyal to everyone.
00:09:54Certain.
00:09:55So what happens?
00:09:57Who finds support in her, who is his brother,
00:09:59and who comes to live in his house, right?
00:10:01These days.
00:10:02Yes, exactly.
00:10:03And in fact when there is an accident,
00:10:05this also mysterious accident with the bicycle,
00:10:08Giuliano is with his daughter who is staying at home.
00:10:11What's going on?
00:10:12That when Giuliano is found on the ground,
00:10:16Of course the investigators go to his house, right?
00:10:18And they find the daughter.
00:10:19But the daughter is alone and calls and warns you of this accident.
00:10:24However, I find that in the assisted court there are two different declarations,
00:10:28one of his and one of his sister's,
00:10:29why does he say what you were doing?
00:10:32She says you were sleeping when her niece calls
00:10:36to tell the father about the accident,
00:10:37instead Manuela Bianchi says that you were talking.
00:10:41Yes, I mean...
00:10:42That is, two different statements, why?
00:10:45I don't remember saying this now,
00:10:48I definitely made a mistake,
00:10:49because I remember when the phone call came
00:10:51I was at the door of my room,
00:10:54I think I was even making fun of my sister
00:10:56for something that was still in the bed,
00:10:57and I get this phone call and that's when the trauma happens.
00:11:01But I definitely made a mistake in one statement,
00:11:03because I remember being in the bedroom door.
00:11:05Ah, because there was this contradiction.
00:11:08Among other things their alibi,
00:11:09If we have to talk about alibis, why...
00:11:11That is, it was found,
00:11:13because there was also a phonic evidentiary incident
00:11:17on computer devices,
00:11:18I apologize, I'm not a sound engineer,
00:11:20where it is clear that
00:11:21Mr. and Mrs. Loris and Manuela Bianchi
00:11:24they were in dialect about something in Riccione,
00:11:26because they tell us so
00:11:27the cell phones of the same.
00:11:30So, we were there.
00:11:31You were there.
00:11:32So, there's another one...
00:11:35There's a phrase she said, strange, isn't it?
00:11:40At some point, justice is done,
00:11:42very complicated, then after...
00:11:44Well, we've talked about it many times.
00:11:45Which was also simple enough to understand,
00:11:46but she didn't want to understand.
00:11:47That we didn't want to understand.
00:11:48But let's hear this other thing he said,
00:11:50which thus has...
00:12:01I think it was Luis
00:12:02to take all the problems away from my sister
00:12:04and being very protective of her.
00:12:07This is my belief and I hope I'm wrong.
00:12:09So, do you think this is the case?
00:12:12And that this murder took place in that building?
00:12:14Yes, I didn't reconstruct the thing well.
00:12:17It could also be that my sister
00:12:18she went crazy with psychotropic drugs.
00:12:20Or it could have been me too, I don't know.
00:12:22An outsider may also think
00:12:24who could be Manuela's brother
00:12:26who loves her and wants to solve her problem.
00:12:30So, Barzana is on the phone, so he didn't hear it.
00:12:32But she gives the motive, let's say.
00:12:35She says it could have been me too.
00:12:37Why does he say this?
00:12:38So, I have used it there many times.
00:12:40the word mental travel, if she reads everything.
00:12:43Because I was basically talking to the prosecutor
00:12:46making mistakes as if he were a friend.
00:12:49I explained to him everything that was on his mind.
00:12:51And logically there I had a thought about Luis.
00:12:54But I wanted to make it clear that my thoughts
00:12:56it was not a condemnation of him.
00:12:58It was a thought, a mental journey.
00:13:00So I was saying, he could have been anyone.
00:13:03I might have been like that too, to say
00:13:05come on me too.
00:13:07But it's strange, isn't it?
00:13:08He says it might have been me defending my sister
00:13:10to take the problem away from him.
00:13:12Because Pierina had...
00:13:13It's not strange, Federica, I'll even tell you why.
00:13:15Because after three years I know Loris.
00:13:20So at that moment it's like it's demassified
00:13:25from the summary testimonial information
00:13:29and then he actually reported what
00:13:33could...
00:13:34His thoughts.
00:13:35His thoughts.
00:13:36But he reported it immediately
00:13:37that his first attention
00:13:40according to him it was Luis da Silva.
00:13:43And was justice done?
00:13:44She then explained
00:13:45who wanted to somehow provoke him, let's say
00:13:49see his reaction.
00:13:50Yes, him and Valeria.
00:13:51The thing I've always emphasized
00:13:53is that from him
00:13:54I never got a positive response.
00:13:57In the sense
00:13:57It didn't give me the impression of one
00:13:59that he had committed the crime.
00:14:01This is what I want to say
00:14:02because many think
00:14:04that he wants to put it in.
00:14:05But look, she told us at the beginning
00:14:07I don't remember if exactly
00:14:08to Veronica Briganti or Giuseppe Piso
00:14:09she said
00:14:10I'd put my hand in the fire for it
00:14:11that it wasn't him
00:14:12because he is a person
00:14:14that comes from a country
00:14:15where in short he makes a whole speech
00:14:17about her at the beginning
00:14:19but at the beginning
00:14:20great confusion
00:14:22you were
00:14:22but there is one thing to say
00:14:24if I may
00:14:25At that time
00:14:25there obviously
00:14:27I had limited knowledge
00:14:29of that boy
00:14:29how he presented himself to us
00:14:31who introduced himself
00:14:31in a beautiful way
00:14:34it's logical that then
00:14:34over the years
00:14:36some things came out
00:14:37that make you think a little
00:14:39me now
00:14:39I couldn't say anymore
00:14:41I'll put my hand in the fire
00:14:42but I always say
00:14:44up to, third degree
00:14:45more judgment
00:14:46or until the thing is over
00:14:47a person cannot be
00:14:49condemned
00:14:49from the popular masses
00:14:51the judges and others have to think about it
00:14:52ninth
00:14:53but what in fact
00:14:54I was commenting before
00:14:55then there were the lay judges
00:14:57that have been seen for hours and hours
00:14:59of transmission
00:15:00Why
00:15:01that there have been
00:15:02before going
00:15:04let's say
00:15:04basically
00:15:05to lock oneself away
00:15:06let's say in a court of law
00:15:07No?
00:15:07because first
00:15:08of the beginning of the process
00:15:09that is, it was
00:15:11a great echo
00:15:12media
00:15:13on this case
00:15:14and then
00:15:15we wait of course
00:15:16the reasons
00:15:17Barzan, thank you.
00:15:18also because it allowed me
00:15:19to call her a scammer
00:15:20without getting angry
00:15:21I don't know if it will reach me
00:15:22a warning
00:15:23why Barzan
00:15:23he phoned everything
00:15:25In short
00:15:25send messages
00:15:26I don't know who
00:15:27sends warnings
00:15:28everyday
00:15:29to everyone
00:15:29I'm wanted
00:15:30I'm wanted
00:15:31today I said
00:15:32In short
00:15:33let's say in Barzan
00:15:33that then the questions
00:15:34they are done
00:15:35the videos are sent
00:15:36look
00:15:37look at Federico
00:15:38Here you are
00:15:39the solution
00:15:40it is with a doubtful formula
00:15:43Therefore
00:15:44actually
00:15:45we have to wait
00:15:46the reasons
00:15:47because I listened
00:15:49also a press conference
00:15:50and you have to allow me to do this
00:15:52beyond
00:15:53if I am
00:15:54a scammer or not
00:15:55but surely
00:15:56I'm not
00:15:56and I will prove it
00:15:58in conference venues
00:15:59at the press conference
00:16:00by Fabri
00:16:01I heard it said
00:16:02that the solution
00:16:03by Da Silva
00:16:05that is precisely
00:16:07it happened
00:16:08for lack of existence
00:16:09of evidence
00:16:10or even
00:16:11For
00:16:12I am trying to say
00:16:13I would like to mean
00:16:15this is because
00:16:15Federica is important
00:16:16Meaning what
00:16:17it's definitely not
00:16:19was acquitted
00:16:20because the lady
00:16:21Whites
00:16:21it is not considered
00:16:22credible
00:16:23in the retraction
00:16:24Why
00:16:25the 30 hours
00:16:26of Bianchi
00:16:27they were
00:16:27totally
00:16:28found
00:16:29by the investigators
00:16:30and there are
00:16:31elements
00:16:32strings
00:16:33intrinceci
00:16:33but if I find
00:16:35the lawyers
00:16:35by Da Silva
00:16:36what they say
00:16:37they think
00:16:38who was acquitted
00:16:39why Bianchi
00:16:41it was not considered
00:16:42credible
00:16:43but absolutely
00:16:45why she was acquitted
00:16:47precisely
00:16:47For
00:16:47with a doubtful formula
00:16:49so we have to wait
00:16:50the reasons
00:16:50the reasons
00:16:51then he said
00:16:51that will take us
00:16:52also Emanuela Bianchi
00:16:53why us
00:16:53we didn't have
00:16:54the pleasure
00:16:55to be able to help you more
00:16:55interview
00:16:56at a certain point
00:16:57it closed itself off
00:16:57the camera
00:16:59so we thank you
00:17:01why did I get angry
00:17:01with Giuseppe Tizzo
00:17:02but we are here
00:17:03reconciled
00:17:04but how did you
00:17:04In short
00:17:05we always look for
00:17:07to work
00:17:07with serenity
00:17:09on the documents
00:17:09thanks to her
00:17:10Good evening
00:17:11thanks to Loris
00:17:12At that time
00:17:14I'll show you now
00:17:15the photography
00:17:16by Alessio Romano
00:17:17Piersanti
00:17:19who has disappeared
00:17:20from Neptune
00:17:21Riccardo is a single father
00:17:23and I see
00:17:23and asks us
00:17:23to make an appeal
00:17:24to find again
00:17:25his son Alessio
00:17:27he has no news of her
00:17:29from April 20th
00:17:30Alessio said
00:17:30to the father
00:17:31what he wanted to do
00:17:31a journey
00:17:32he didn't say where
00:17:34he is an athlete
00:17:36it often goes
00:17:37in exotic locations
00:17:38he left home
00:17:39from Neptune
00:17:41and it seems he left
00:17:42from the airport
00:17:43from Fiumicino
00:17:44but about him
00:17:44they got lost
00:17:45the tracks
00:17:46so he needs
00:17:47to take medications
00:17:49we don't know
00:17:50if he has them with him
00:17:52if by chance
00:17:53you know what he took
00:17:54an airplane
00:17:54to go somewhere
00:17:55if you can let us know
00:17:57why this
00:17:57it is also important
00:17:59At that time
00:18:00me now
00:18:02if it's possible
00:18:02I would connect
00:18:04with ours
00:18:05Raffaella Grigi
00:18:06and let's see
00:18:08if it is possible
00:18:10Why
00:18:11we are following
00:18:12with her
00:18:13we have it
00:18:14in connection
00:18:15here it is
00:18:16At that time
00:18:17us
00:18:17meanwhile
00:18:18Raffaella Grigi
00:18:19it's with
00:18:19Gianni Ragonese
00:18:20the nephew of
00:18:21Sandra
00:18:22big house
00:18:23we are talking
00:18:23of the crime
00:18:24of the pastry chef
00:18:25we already met him
00:18:26and we thank
00:18:27John
00:18:28Gianni Favero
00:18:29journalist
00:18:30that also
00:18:31he wrote a book
00:18:33so in short
00:18:33he took care of it
00:18:34of this case
00:18:35for many years
00:18:36and then
00:18:37excuse me
00:18:38but I wanted to give
00:18:39a hug
00:18:39on behalf of all
00:18:40the editorial staff
00:18:41to Raffaella
00:18:42for mourning
00:18:42that hit him
00:18:43to her
00:18:44the mother
00:18:45I don't want to make you cry
00:18:46but
00:18:47sometimes we
00:18:48No
00:18:49you go
00:18:49after you
00:18:50forward with strength
00:18:52and with
00:18:53we know what
00:18:55in the heart
00:18:56so a hug
00:18:56from us
00:18:57from all spectators
00:18:58who love you
00:18:59At that time
00:19:00Therefore
00:19:01I before giving you
00:19:03the line
00:19:04I want to tell you
00:19:05that this case
00:19:05it's a case
00:19:06who has
00:19:06of the incredible
00:19:07Why
00:19:08he dies
00:19:09there is a DNA
00:19:10there is a DNA
00:19:11unknown
00:19:12and then
00:19:12this DNA
00:19:13is put
00:19:14in a database
00:19:15and a person
00:19:17that comes
00:19:17accused
00:19:18of another
00:19:19crime
00:19:20that has nothing to do with it
00:19:21of another crime
00:19:22we don't even know which one
00:19:23must give his DNA
00:19:25and in this database
00:19:27the match is made
00:19:28After
00:19:29Truly
00:19:29many years
00:19:31and surprisingly
00:19:32there is a suspect
00:19:33for the murder
00:19:34by Sandra
00:19:35that everyone knows
00:19:36like murder
00:19:36of the pastry chef
00:19:38At that time
00:19:38with Raffaella Grigi
00:19:40and Maria Chiara Iacovucci
00:19:42let's see what
00:19:43it's happening
00:19:45in Roncade
00:19:46how did they all take it
00:19:47this story
00:19:48what do they remember
00:19:49and then we are with them
00:19:54it's been so long
00:19:57that no one
00:19:59remember nothing
00:20:01in the parts of the center
00:20:03to teach
00:20:06of a merchant
00:20:07that could tell
00:20:10and would write
00:20:12that scene
00:20:13the scene
00:20:15the scene is that
00:20:15of the pastry chef
00:20:16Sandra Casagrande
00:20:17killed in her shop
00:20:18of sweets
00:20:19in Roncade
00:20:19in the province of Treviso
00:20:21January 29, 1991
00:20:23and this is for her
00:20:25on the tape
00:20:26on the bench
00:20:27the earrings
00:20:30the water
00:20:31in the tub
00:20:41very nice
00:20:42very nice
00:20:43Yes
00:20:43very nice
00:20:44I had never heard of it
00:20:45of facts
00:20:46this is the first time
00:20:47I didn't know
00:20:47that there was someone
00:20:49that he had written
00:20:50a song
00:20:51for my aunt
00:20:52and of course
00:20:53it makes me feel a lot
00:20:53nice to meet you
00:20:54and speak more
00:20:56of the aspects
00:20:56let's say
00:20:57note of the country
00:20:58which in some ways
00:20:59Like this
00:21:00he also searched
00:21:01a little bit of
00:21:01to forget
00:21:03to ignore
00:21:03this thing
00:21:04also because maybe
00:21:06involved
00:21:07even people
00:21:07let's say
00:21:08of a certain respect
00:21:09there were mistakes
00:21:10even finds
00:21:11so thrown away
00:21:14almost maybe
00:21:15that the victim
00:21:16in this case
00:21:16he didn't deserve it
00:21:17the right attention
00:21:18in an era
00:21:20I repeat
00:21:20where no one spoke
00:21:21of feminicides
00:21:22because in reality
00:21:22this was
00:21:23in this yellow
00:21:25they have always been there
00:21:26chatter
00:21:27gossip
00:21:27as they say
00:21:28here in Veneto
00:21:29awkward silences
00:21:30faded memories
00:21:31personages
00:21:32extravagant
00:21:33and more oblique
00:21:37above all
00:21:38many
00:21:39too many suspects
00:21:40among the admirers
00:21:41by Sandra
00:21:42married and not
00:21:44for the murder
00:21:46There is a suspect today
00:21:47by surprise
00:21:47the then 22-year-old
00:21:49Paul Gorghetto
00:21:50pizza chef
00:21:51it would be his
00:21:52a splash of blood
00:21:53found on the tent
00:21:54of the shop
00:21:55and for the carabinieri
00:21:56left right
00:21:57that evening
00:21:58I am
00:21:59of conviction
00:22:00extreme
00:22:00that DNA
00:22:01it's a test
00:22:02certain
00:22:02and mathematics
00:22:03me now
00:22:04this situation
00:22:05I call her
00:22:06Garlasco 2
00:22:07we will move on
00:22:08several years
00:22:09Garlasco 2
00:22:11for what reason?
00:22:12for the times
00:22:12always for the times
00:22:14Attention
00:22:14because even in Garlasco
00:22:15they will arrive
00:22:16to the solution
00:22:17before or after
00:22:18it will take
00:22:20ten years
00:22:20for it to be established
00:22:22a correspondence
00:22:23between the DNA
00:22:23of Gorghetto
00:22:24and that found
00:22:25on the scene
00:22:26of the crime
00:22:27he was stopped
00:22:29in 2016
00:22:29now we are
00:22:30in 2026
00:22:31Exactly
00:22:32but why are there
00:22:33wanted
00:22:33in her opinion
00:22:34ten years
00:22:34since 2016
00:22:35to date
00:22:37there is an analysis
00:22:39Like this
00:22:41specification
00:22:41because probably
00:22:42Nobody
00:22:43will have distantly
00:22:44thought
00:22:45that could be there
00:22:45to be bonds
00:22:46and then in general
00:22:48these things
00:22:48they are very slow
00:22:49frankly
00:22:50they are slow
00:22:52but
00:22:53let's look
00:22:54the aspects
00:22:55positives
00:22:56as well as negative
00:22:57lenses
00:22:58Yes
00:22:58but inexorable
00:23:00in too much of a hurry
00:23:02Instead
00:23:02just two months later
00:23:03they were destroyed
00:23:04the clothes
00:23:05that Sandra
00:23:06he was wearing
00:23:06that evening
00:23:07because they were
00:23:08smelly
00:23:09how to read
00:23:09in this document
00:23:11I can't
00:23:12know why
00:23:13I can only say
00:23:14that maybe
00:23:14it didn't work at all
00:23:15when they were
00:23:16collected
00:23:17the finds
00:23:18when they were
00:23:19collected
00:23:19the clues
00:23:20the footprints
00:23:21it will be necessary to do
00:23:21a job
00:23:22much more
00:23:22guaranteed
00:23:24more careful
00:23:26In short
00:23:26today it is no longer possible to fix it
00:23:27No
00:23:28there's little to do
00:23:29after many years
00:23:30nothing can be fixed anymore
00:23:32This
00:23:33teaches us
00:23:34which is good
00:23:35Always
00:23:36maintain
00:23:37as long as possible
00:23:38the so-called
00:23:40finds
00:23:41the so-called
00:23:42evidence
00:23:43the elements
00:23:44trial
00:23:44Why
00:23:45because one day
00:23:47but it can come out
00:23:48something
00:23:49of the unexpected
00:23:50and then
00:23:51it is necessary
00:23:52recover
00:23:54they are not recovered
00:23:56more instead
00:23:56the money
00:23:57soaked
00:23:58of the blood
00:23:58by Sandra
00:23:59found
00:23:59in a self-service
00:24:00a few kilometers away
00:24:01from the pastry shop
00:24:02in the morning
00:24:03after the crime
00:24:04they were
00:24:04findings
00:24:05but in 2009
00:24:06they were thrown away
00:24:07once
00:24:08established
00:24:08that DNA
00:24:09on banknotes
00:24:10it wasn't that
00:24:11of people
00:24:12historically indicted
00:24:13until they did
00:24:15those banknotes
00:24:16have been examined
00:24:17and it was tried
00:24:21to extract
00:24:22the profile
00:24:23of DNA
00:24:26but
00:24:28with what
00:24:29you compare it
00:24:29if you don't have
00:24:31an idea
00:24:31at that moment
00:24:33once
00:24:34that we know
00:24:34which is blood
00:24:35by Sandra
00:24:35we don't know
00:24:36nothing more
00:24:36what does it tell us?
00:24:38on who
00:24:39it may have been
00:24:40Therefore
00:24:41on banknotes
00:24:42there were
00:24:43other profiles
00:24:44of DNA
00:24:44there was also
00:24:45that of Gorghetto
00:24:46this is the area
00:24:48of service
00:24:48now decommissioned
00:24:49where they have been
00:24:50found
00:24:51the next day
00:24:52the three banknotes
00:24:53from 10,000 lire
00:24:54stained with blood
00:24:57we are looking for
00:24:58with the help
00:24:58of a gentleman
00:24:59the gas station attendant
00:25:00of then
00:25:00he lives right there
00:25:01in the palace
00:25:02on the clearing
00:25:03where there were
00:25:04the gas pumps
00:25:05let's go up to the house
00:25:07Roberto
00:25:0789 years old
00:25:08married by
00:25:0956
00:25:09show his photo
00:25:11than when he had
00:25:12the distributor
00:25:13Roberto
00:25:13it was you
00:25:14this one here
00:25:15in the morning
00:25:16I'm coming up
00:25:17Always
00:25:17at 7
00:25:18to open
00:25:20the key
00:25:21at a discount
00:25:21Roberto
00:25:22he says that
00:25:23once
00:25:23withdrawn
00:25:24the money
00:25:24of the machine
00:25:25makes the discovery
00:25:26there was a lot of blood
00:25:29how much money
00:25:30they were?
00:25:3020,000 lire
00:25:3130,000 lire
00:25:33but she
00:25:33he already knew it
00:25:34that they had
00:25:35killed a lady
00:25:36yes because
00:25:37he had told me
00:25:37this lady
00:25:38No
00:25:38those newspapers
00:25:39this money
00:25:40he gave them
00:25:41to the police
00:25:41Right?
00:25:42right away
00:25:43he gave them
00:25:43and brought them
00:25:45right away
00:25:47to the prompter
00:25:48you see?
00:25:49his wife
00:25:50how long have you been there?
00:25:51married?
00:25:5230
00:25:53very, very much
00:25:5454 years old
00:25:56I have 88
00:25:59let's proceed in order
00:26:00why in this story
00:26:02where everyone
00:26:02they know a lot about everyone
00:26:03in which they intertwine
00:26:05the stories
00:26:05and risk losing
00:26:06the thread
00:26:07but the way to understand
00:26:08Sandra's world
00:26:09and that of the past
00:26:10in the heart of the Treviso area
00:26:12it's the details themselves
00:26:13the contours
00:26:14what do they do with it?
00:26:15a unique story
00:26:17let's meet again
00:26:17Zeno
00:26:18musician
00:26:19and in Rome
00:26:20I played with the band
00:26:21of the Air Force
00:26:23and then I played
00:26:24the crane
00:26:25the crane
00:26:25and there I did
00:26:26the drummer
00:26:27boom boom boom
00:26:28I was a drummer
00:26:30and you played for Sandra
00:26:31something?
00:26:32no she wasn't interested
00:26:33to Sandra
00:26:34she wasn't interested
00:26:35the music?
00:26:35No
00:26:35he made himself play
00:26:37she
00:26:41no he didn't play it
00:26:42No
00:26:43my
00:26:43and come there
00:26:45what music
00:26:45Zeno smiles
00:26:46the province of those years
00:26:48at the bar
00:26:49this was also it
00:26:50double meanings
00:26:51advance
00:26:52gossip
00:26:53mischievous outbursts
00:26:54even cheeky ones
00:26:55men
00:26:56who judged
00:26:57wrongly a woman
00:26:58taking too many liberties
00:27:00and that do not do justice
00:27:01in memory of Sandra
00:27:02she entered
00:27:04this young lady
00:27:05in fur of vision
00:27:06I remember it very well
00:27:08Pretty
00:27:09a bit
00:27:10Botero
00:27:11I'll call her
00:27:12because it was all
00:27:13all perfect
00:27:14rounded
00:27:15but a beautiful woman
00:27:17ironic
00:27:18Kind
00:27:19quite reserved
00:27:22on herself
00:27:23he didn't like gossip
00:27:25of the country
00:27:26but it had its own charm
00:27:29Anyway
00:27:29Certainly
00:27:30of a woman
00:27:31and entrepreneur
00:27:32because she knew
00:27:33to carry on
00:27:34with a stiff arm
00:27:36with all these men
00:27:38why at the bar
00:27:39who used to go once
00:27:40not women
00:27:41and what did she say
00:27:42for example
00:27:43but he didn't answer
00:27:46No
00:27:47No
00:27:47he didn't give
00:27:48access to long
00:27:50silly conversations
00:27:51here let's put it this way
00:27:52Yes
00:27:53she was an intelligent woman
00:27:55he knew his place
00:27:57and its place
00:27:58it was the pastry shop
00:28:00which he carried on alone
00:28:01at this point
00:28:01after the strange suicide
00:28:03of the husband
00:28:03the only journey
00:28:05with Margherita
00:28:06he had done it
00:28:07a short time before
00:28:08in Paris
00:28:08by train
00:28:09instead it arrived
00:28:10with a basket of sweets
00:28:11and the bottles of wine
00:28:13and it was
00:28:14a marvel
00:28:16the journey
00:28:16it's the period
00:28:18in which Sandra
00:28:19he didn't want to live
00:28:20alone
00:28:20after it was
00:28:22committed suicide
00:28:23Sandra's husband
00:28:26she
00:28:27he was afraid
00:28:28to live
00:28:29and then
00:28:29he was afraid
00:28:30to be alone
00:28:31alone
00:28:32At that time
00:28:33the bodybuilder
00:28:36he came
00:28:38and lived together
00:28:39we don't know
00:28:41who is this
00:28:42body shop
00:28:42their streets
00:28:44they had split up anyway
00:28:45of a phantom
00:28:46mechanical
00:28:47in a short interview
00:28:48to the rostrum
00:28:49from Treviso
00:28:49he had mentioned
00:28:50also Paolo Gorghetto
00:28:52saying that every now and then
00:28:53he went to the pastry shop
00:28:54to collect the sweets
00:28:55on his behalf
00:28:56to us instead
00:28:57he says he doesn't know her
00:28:59from Sandra
00:29:00you knew her though
00:29:01don't get angry
00:29:02No
00:29:03I'm not just angry
00:29:04where is the truth
00:29:05who killed Sandra
00:29:07for her they were all friends
00:29:08in the first stories
00:29:10still married
00:29:11as then
00:29:11and with the restaurant
00:29:13a stone's throw from Sandra
00:29:14himself on record
00:29:16he declared
00:29:16who knew her
00:29:17and revealed
00:29:18Sandra had complained
00:29:20the attentions
00:29:20of a person
00:29:21by Meolo
00:29:22who was traveling on board
00:29:23of a white Jaguar
00:29:25this track
00:29:26port
00:29:27at a dead end
00:29:28we looked for it
00:29:29now it's no longer there
00:29:30the man was searched
00:29:32but he said that Sandra
00:29:33he didn't know her
00:29:35lately
00:29:36shortly before
00:29:37that she was killed
00:29:38I saw her changed
00:29:39I saw her changed a lot
00:29:41In what sense?
00:29:41but it was hard
00:29:43she was not a tough woman
00:29:45nor in appearance
00:29:46nor in the exhibition
00:29:47some things
00:29:48he always had a smile
00:29:51Yes
00:29:51he was afraid
00:29:53of something
00:29:53I do not know
00:29:54according to Margherita
00:29:56Sandra
00:29:56since he attended
00:29:57a foreign friend
00:29:58it was different
00:29:59let's get in touch
00:30:00this woman too
00:30:01Katia
00:30:02and we ask you
00:30:03if anything is known about it
00:30:04maybe it was
00:30:05threaded
00:30:06in some lap
00:30:07strange
00:30:07we were going
00:30:08only for dinner
00:30:10Together
00:30:12we were going
00:30:13some time
00:30:15in a casino
00:30:15a few days before
00:30:16in the shop
00:30:17anonymous flowers arrive
00:30:19but what does it have to do with anything?
00:30:20Paolo Gorbetto?
00:30:21he tells her nothing
00:30:22this name
00:30:23came out
00:30:24Now?
00:30:24no it doesn't mean anything to me
00:30:26at the time
00:30:26absolutely
00:30:27he doesn't say anything
00:30:35At that time
00:30:36we start again
00:30:36from a DNA
00:30:37but
00:30:38Raffaella Grigi
00:30:39before giving you
00:30:39the line
00:30:40you maybe
00:30:41can you explain it to me
00:30:42but these banknotes
00:30:43stained with blood
00:30:44then there are still
00:30:46there were footprints
00:30:47why someone
00:30:47he used them
00:30:48that is, these banknotes too
00:30:50they can be useful
00:30:51upon reopening
00:30:52of the investigations?
00:30:55we understood
00:30:57that seems
00:30:57that there are no more
00:30:58these banknotes
00:31:00that anyway
00:31:01they could hold back
00:31:02of the tracks
00:31:03or sweat
00:31:04or of blood
00:31:05of someone
00:31:06but then
00:31:06they were
00:31:07discarded
00:31:08in 2009
00:31:10Right?
00:31:11so he says
00:31:12so he said
00:31:13the prosecutor
00:31:14of then
00:31:14Gianni
00:31:15he lives here
00:31:16in Roncade
00:31:17he is a colleague
00:31:18of ANSA
00:31:18practically
00:31:19he knows everything
00:31:20he wrote
00:31:21a book
00:31:21the game
00:31:23of the Bull
00:31:24he already says
00:31:25all this
00:31:25sports metaphor
00:31:27no Gianni
00:31:27what did you mean by that?
00:31:28Like this
00:31:29with this title
00:31:30In short
00:31:31football
00:31:32it is often used
00:31:33to be like this
00:31:34plundered
00:31:35of images
00:31:36that work well
00:31:36who played
00:31:38a little football
00:31:38he knows what a Torello is
00:31:39they are players
00:31:41in circulation
00:31:41that pass each other
00:31:42the ball
00:31:42and someone
00:31:43he has to take it
00:31:44but
00:31:45the one in the center
00:31:46In short
00:31:47in the metaphor
00:31:49the authority
00:31:50investigative
00:31:51this ball
00:31:52until now
00:31:52he never has
00:31:54socket
00:31:54also because
00:31:55the others
00:31:55they were
00:31:55everyone very good
00:31:57above all
00:31:5835 years old
00:32:00of mystery
00:32:00of dust
00:32:01of files
00:32:02archived
00:32:03of slopes
00:32:03passionate
00:32:04Then
00:32:05that I am
00:32:06collapsed
00:32:07but now
00:32:08there is this
00:32:09string
00:32:09of code
00:32:10genetic
00:32:11that would nail
00:32:12precisely
00:32:13Paul Gorghetto
00:32:14a person
00:32:14that at the time
00:32:15I had
00:32:1622 years old
00:32:17first of all
00:32:18Gianni
00:32:19Yesterday
00:32:20you went
00:32:20to sign
00:32:21a document
00:32:22from the police
00:32:23because there will be
00:32:23of the investigations
00:32:24unrepeatable
00:32:26what they will do
00:32:26the RIS
00:32:27of Parma
00:32:28on note
00:32:29the sweater
00:32:30by Sandra
00:32:30on the
00:32:32curtain rod
00:32:33things
00:32:34that I am
00:32:35Still
00:32:36let's say
00:32:36possible
00:32:37analyze
00:32:38Well
00:32:38we are
00:32:39next to
00:32:40to that one
00:32:41which was
00:32:42the pastry shop
00:32:42by Sandra
00:32:44and then
00:32:45you expect
00:32:46answers
00:32:47they will not be
00:32:48perhaps short
00:32:49immediate
00:32:49but
00:32:50they speak
00:32:51those objects
00:32:52no yet
00:32:53Gianni
00:32:54but in my opinion
00:32:55it's DNA
00:32:58that they have
00:33:00inserted
00:33:01in the database
00:33:02which is
00:33:02should be
00:33:04the result
00:33:05of this
00:33:06of this
00:33:08drama
00:33:08Why
00:33:10DNA
00:33:11of that
00:33:12person
00:33:12that person
00:33:14must explain
00:33:15because it was
00:33:15Why
00:33:16they have it
00:33:16found
00:33:17there
00:33:17Why
00:33:18until now
00:33:19he did
00:33:19scene
00:33:20moult
00:33:20Gorghetto
00:33:21he made use of
00:33:22of the faculty
00:33:23not to answer
00:33:23because we have
00:33:24a law
00:33:25in Italy
00:33:25That
00:33:27allows
00:33:28to the people
00:33:29not to answer
00:33:30and then
00:33:31they do well
00:33:31not to answer
00:33:32but
00:33:32the impression
00:33:33Federica
00:33:34is that the carabinieri
00:33:35have something
00:33:36of further
00:33:37by a lot
00:33:38strong
00:33:39likewise
00:33:40in hand
00:33:40not only
00:33:41the element
00:33:42of the sketch
00:33:43of blood
00:33:44of the tent
00:33:45Gianni
00:33:46could be
00:33:47Like this
00:33:47Obviously
00:33:49for how
00:33:50I know
00:33:51I
00:33:51those policemen
00:33:54belonging
00:33:55to the police
00:33:56judicial
00:33:56to whom
00:33:58is attributed
00:33:59the intuition
00:34:00to connect
00:34:00Gorghetto
00:34:02to that
00:34:03DNA
00:34:03I have to say
00:34:05who are people
00:34:05who know
00:34:06this case
00:34:07for a very long time
00:34:08time
00:34:08people
00:34:09a lot of money
00:34:10above all
00:34:11who live
00:34:11in the area
00:34:12so I am
00:34:12even aware
00:34:13of humus
00:34:15In short
00:34:15they know how to smell
00:34:16a bit
00:34:17the air
00:34:17Therefore
00:34:17I believe
00:34:18that not
00:34:18speak
00:34:19not at all
00:34:20a Gorghetto
00:34:21that anyway
00:34:21he was out
00:34:22from any suspicion
00:34:23at the time
00:34:23he was 22 years old
00:34:24Now
00:34:25he has 57
00:34:26among the suitors
00:34:28let's say
00:34:28historians
00:34:29there wasn't
00:34:30at least
00:34:31we don't know
00:34:32does not appear
00:34:34in the crowd
00:34:35of suitors
00:34:36by Sandra
00:34:37Right
00:34:38in the circle
00:34:39of friends
00:34:40if we want
00:34:42even a little bit
00:34:43this does not mean
00:34:44That
00:34:44it doesn't have to be
00:34:46accused
00:34:47if his DNA
00:34:48he was there
00:34:49present
00:34:50that evening
00:34:51he has to explain
00:34:52Why
00:34:54he has to explain it
00:34:56Enough
00:34:56he's the one who has to explain it
00:34:57not us who have to
00:34:59show
00:34:59Here you are
00:35:00he didn't explain it
00:35:03in his
00:35:03Yes
00:35:04ninth
00:35:04what is important
00:35:05you said
00:35:06be worth the faculty
00:35:07not to answer
00:35:08which of course
00:35:09it's a right
00:35:10and anyway
00:35:11he would have said
00:35:12it wasn't me
00:35:13because of course
00:35:14then it was
00:35:15approached
00:35:16from journalists
00:35:17he said
00:35:17me neither
00:35:17I knew her
00:35:19but
00:35:19let's go step by step
00:35:20let's see carefully
00:35:21what happened
00:35:22the new slopes
00:35:23always with
00:35:23Raffaella Grigi
00:35:24and Maria Chiara
00:35:25Iacovici
00:35:29for those who investigate
00:35:30the man
00:35:3157 years old today
00:35:32he would have gone
00:35:33in the shop
00:35:34after hours
00:35:34closing
00:35:35Sandra
00:35:36would have gone down
00:35:36from home
00:35:37which was on the floor
00:35:37above
00:35:38from here
00:35:39he saw
00:35:40who was playing
00:35:41the bell
00:35:42and let him in
00:35:45because probably
00:35:47Surely
00:35:47he knew
00:35:48the customer
00:35:49It's 8:30 pm
00:35:51past
00:35:51it's not like that
00:35:52deserted
00:35:53Runcade
00:35:53Despite
00:35:54cold and fog
00:35:55I passed by
00:35:56that evening I
00:35:57yes yes
00:35:58I passed by
00:35:59I went to drink coffee
00:36:00I passed by
00:36:01I saw the lights on
00:36:03but I didn't notice
00:36:05I didn't notice anything
00:36:06there is according to the testimonies
00:36:09of the time
00:36:09who sees a man
00:36:10clog
00:36:11red in the face
00:36:11another one with the ram
00:36:13many careful auditions
00:36:15they didn't lead to anyone
00:36:16they were listened to
00:36:17men and women
00:36:18found in a notebook
00:36:19by Sandra
00:36:20a gentleman on record
00:36:22he says he took
00:36:23a quick coffee
00:36:23with Sandra
00:36:24that evening
00:36:25and to have gone there
00:36:26also because
00:36:27the girlfriend
00:36:27he had lost
00:36:28the pin in the pastry shop
00:36:30we went to look for him
00:36:32moreover
00:36:32he was a mechanic
00:36:33and had declared
00:36:34of having seen
00:36:35Sandra worried
00:36:36we find the wife
00:36:37he is sick
00:36:38maybe it's him
00:36:39the mechanic
00:36:40who sent the suspect
00:36:41to buy the pastries
00:36:42it's not that
00:36:43her husband
00:36:44then he sent
00:36:44this Paul
00:36:45to buy some pastries
00:36:46for example
00:36:48the pin
00:36:49it was found
00:36:50not even
00:36:53it was not then
00:36:54the mechanic
00:36:55brought into play
00:36:56from Gorghetto
00:36:58but that evening
00:36:59someone
00:37:00he sees something
00:37:00looking out the window
00:37:02there's Carla
00:37:03Wait
00:37:03son's return
00:37:04and sees a car
00:37:05with the engine running
00:37:06in front of the pastry shop
00:37:08he declares it
00:37:09to the police
00:37:09It's 9:30 pm
00:37:11he had told us about it
00:37:12Zeno
00:37:13last time
00:37:14Francesco too
00:37:15entrepreneur
00:37:16today of a colossus
00:37:17Made in Italy
00:37:18it was under the arcades
00:37:19to get some cream
00:37:20with his wife
00:37:21today he tells us so
00:37:22it seemed to me
00:37:23like those citrus ones
00:37:25a little big
00:37:26Anyway
00:37:26I couldn't
00:37:27to identify
00:37:28the interior
00:37:31that car is old
00:37:32who was waiting
00:37:33it's just a coincidence
00:37:34Francis
00:37:35he also sees a man
00:37:36that from the arcades
00:37:37he moves away
00:37:38more on the young
00:37:39more boyish
00:37:41he was heading
00:37:44with this coat
00:37:45a bit
00:37:46Like this
00:37:47put in order
00:37:47dark
00:37:49and sneakers
00:37:50Here you are
00:37:50this is a ricola
00:37:51high
00:37:52big
00:37:53thin
00:37:53not so tall
00:37:56medium structure
00:37:58In short
00:37:58it has to do with the murder
00:38:02in one of the first acts
00:38:04the carabinieri
00:38:04they even speak
00:38:05of unknown criminals
00:38:07in the plural
00:38:08Sandra gets hit
00:38:09with a knife
00:38:10that from the heat
00:38:11it breaks
00:38:11and with scissors
00:38:13found on the counter
00:38:14after being
00:38:15stunned
00:38:16with a bottle
00:38:17it's Zeno
00:38:18to call the police
00:38:19the first thing
00:38:20that I have observed
00:38:21was that
00:38:22I said
00:38:23but look at that
00:38:24they gave
00:38:25a shade of red
00:38:26here on the ground
00:38:27and how that
00:38:28I spoke
00:38:30that there was
00:38:31maybe they have it
00:38:33brushstroke
00:38:34and then I said
00:38:35you want to see
00:38:36who killed
00:38:36Sandra
00:38:37and I got the idea
00:38:39because he knew
00:38:40even the smell
00:38:41of the blood
00:38:42you Sandra
00:38:43where did you find it?
00:38:45in the bathroom
00:38:45there was
00:38:47after you
00:38:47To the right
00:38:49in the middle
00:38:50shop
00:38:52and there was
00:38:52a place
00:38:54for the bathroom
00:38:55practically
00:38:57the killer escapes
00:38:58without being seen
00:38:59at the time
00:39:00Gorghetto
00:39:01he had an arrhythmia
00:39:02and he worked
00:39:03in a glass factory
00:39:04for chandeliers
00:39:04Giancarlo
00:39:06his former employer
00:39:07in 91
00:39:07he saw it
00:39:09recently
00:39:09I saw that
00:39:10he was worried
00:39:11why did he say
00:39:12I go around
00:39:13and they screw me
00:39:14how careful are you
00:39:16and he doesn't feel anything
00:39:17he said that
00:39:18I had
00:39:18a boy
00:39:1922 years old
00:39:20I don't think so
00:39:21that follows
00:39:22one of 50
00:39:25it was definitely
00:39:27a crime
00:39:27on impulse
00:39:28sudden
00:39:29unpremeditated
00:39:30he was one who
00:39:31it had nothing to do with it
00:39:33while instead
00:39:34everyone convinced
00:39:35that it was
00:39:35everything matured
00:39:37within
00:39:38of a community
00:39:40some finds remain
00:39:42since then
00:39:42the knife
00:39:43with hair
00:39:44a postcard
00:39:45with footprint
00:39:45of shoes
00:39:46the sweater
00:39:47by Sandra
00:39:47the shards
00:39:48of bottle
00:39:49the curtain rod
00:39:50found in the mouth
00:39:51to Sandra
00:39:51to keep her from screaming
00:39:52and it's important
00:39:53it will also be
00:39:54a t-shirt
00:39:55found by a policeman
00:39:56of the fire
00:39:5710 minutes away
00:39:58from Sandra's house
00:39:59the next day
00:39:59is found
00:40:00a t-shirt
00:40:01cotton
00:40:02blood-stained
00:40:03with three hairs
00:40:04this garment too
00:40:06is delivered
00:40:07to the police
00:40:08there will be
00:40:09other tracks
00:40:10of gorghetto
00:40:10in objects
00:40:11that they still have
00:40:12available
00:40:12a test
00:40:13also technical
00:40:15also a test
00:40:16scientific
00:40:17it must be taken
00:40:18Always
00:40:18with due respect
00:40:19caution
00:40:20as they said
00:40:21the old masters
00:40:23the test
00:40:24must be dressed
00:40:25can't go
00:40:26walking around naked
00:40:28Here you are
00:40:28In what sense
00:40:29what does it mean
00:40:30This
00:40:30That
00:40:32must be
00:40:33comfortable
00:40:33Meaning what
00:40:34the circumstances
00:40:35all around
00:40:36they must confirm
00:40:37that test
00:40:39that clue
00:40:40the years pass
00:40:42Aroncade
00:40:43Sandra
00:40:43it's an open wound
00:40:45which raised
00:40:46curiosity
00:40:46doubts
00:40:47and controversies
00:40:48in 2023
00:40:49in a demonstration
00:40:51against violence
00:40:52on women
00:40:52in common
00:40:53among many
00:40:54right away
00:40:54it was not put
00:40:55his photo
00:40:56it was added after
00:40:57that tragedy
00:40:59that murder
00:41:00precisely because of the modalities
00:41:01just for the
00:41:02its inexplicability
00:41:04I had
00:41:06continued
00:41:07to maintain
00:41:08own
00:41:09in public order
00:41:10local
00:41:10in particular
00:41:11of Aroncade
00:41:12something that
00:41:13it was not clear
00:41:15that weighed
00:41:16that was embarrassing
00:41:17moreover
00:41:18there was in 2009
00:41:20thanks to the reopening
00:41:22of the investigations
00:41:23wanted by Fogliadelli
00:41:24and with the birth
00:41:25of the database
00:41:26DNA
00:41:26also a public meeting
00:41:28with investigators
00:41:29and citizens
00:41:30where he was invited
00:41:31anyone who knew
00:41:32go to the forces
00:41:33of the order
00:41:34even anonymously
00:41:35Nothing
00:41:36so many slanderous words
00:41:38there have been
00:41:39about Sandra
00:41:40the people who had
00:41:41a little fear
00:41:42because they see it
00:41:43like a woman
00:41:44wrong
00:41:45she was killed
00:41:46even morally
00:41:47from many circumstances
00:41:50and situations
00:41:51that have been created
00:41:52that maybe
00:41:53they didn't help
00:41:54100%
00:41:55to search
00:41:56to find the truth
00:41:56she is killed twice
00:41:57in practice
00:41:58twice
00:41:59physically
00:41:59and morally
00:42:00probably
00:42:01at the meeting
00:42:02did not participate
00:42:03Sandra's sister
00:42:04White
00:42:05but he left
00:42:06a video message
00:42:07thank you
00:42:08for the invitation
00:42:09I don't feel like it
00:42:11be present
00:42:12this evening
00:42:13with you
00:42:16because I have too many memories
00:42:18I wish Sandra
00:42:19it was not forgotten
00:42:20also for the goodness
00:42:22and goodness
00:42:24In short
00:42:25who had
00:42:25she was my sister
00:42:27I took it off
00:42:27think about Sandra
00:42:29it comes to mind
00:42:30That
00:42:30yes it's pushed here
00:42:32and unfortunately
00:42:33and I also think
00:42:37to that
00:42:37what he did
00:42:38this stuff
00:42:39I would like to know
00:42:41for what
00:42:41that she did
00:42:43and that
00:42:44let's put it on
00:42:44the hand
00:42:45on the chest
00:42:47on the heart
00:42:49and that
00:42:49come out
00:42:50which presents itself
00:42:51he turned it around
00:42:52pending
00:42:53a short time ago
00:42:54when DNA
00:42:55of Gorghetto
00:42:56present in the database
00:42:57since 2016
00:42:58is compared
00:42:59with that
00:43:00of the blood stain
00:43:01found on the tent
00:43:02from Sandra's pastry shop
00:43:10Raffaella Grigi
00:43:11and if we understood correctly
00:43:13from the document
00:43:13that has arrived
00:43:14precisely
00:43:16to his nephew
00:43:16to Gianni
00:43:17Ragonese
00:43:18now we go looking
00:43:19maybe DNA
00:43:20on other objects
00:43:22that were there
00:43:22Right?
00:43:26Well yes
00:43:27there is a fan
00:43:28of objects
00:43:29that still
00:43:30There are
00:43:31and then
00:43:32they will do these tests
00:43:33also because
00:43:34they've already done a lot of them
00:43:36to exclude
00:43:36that DNA
00:43:37if it weren't for that
00:43:39of the brother
00:43:40and the twin
00:43:41Therefore
00:43:42It's been since May
00:43:44that they have
00:43:44DNA
00:43:45of Gorghetto
00:43:46it had been then
00:43:47the match
00:43:49now it would be said
00:43:50the correspondence
00:43:51but it had come out
00:43:52in November
00:43:53of 2025
00:43:54he did everything
00:43:55the computer system
00:43:57it was a surprise
00:43:58this one from Gorghetto
00:44:00we have to
00:44:01probably
00:44:02to expect it
00:44:03of the others
00:44:04they need to be contextualized
00:44:06these stains
00:44:07your mother said
00:44:08come out
00:44:09come out
00:44:10This
00:44:10this man
00:44:12Why
00:44:13Sandra
00:44:14she is a woman
00:44:15from the charm
00:44:16expansive
00:44:18No
00:44:20Gianni
00:44:21how can we
00:44:22define it
00:44:22a woman
00:44:23sociable
00:44:24affectionate
00:44:25generous
00:44:26he had an apartment
00:44:28in Treviso
00:44:29if I'm not mistaken
00:44:29no Gianni
00:44:30that offered you
00:44:31even often
00:44:32What
00:44:33he lent it to me
00:44:34when I needed it
00:44:37to sleep
00:44:37he lent it to me
00:44:39and these friends
00:44:41which he surrounded himself with
00:44:43often Sibillini
00:44:45maybe even a little heavy
00:44:46No
00:44:47not nice at all
00:44:49if we want
00:44:50not to make her a prude
00:44:52no Gianni
00:44:52but
00:44:54In short
00:44:54Now
00:44:55stay here
00:44:56to define
00:44:56that environment
00:44:57that circle
00:44:58In short
00:44:58let's say
00:45:00among the cheerfully
00:45:01adulterous
00:45:02and the goliardic
00:45:03Here you are
00:45:04this species
00:45:05of mix
00:45:06what's there
00:45:07which was
00:45:07all in all
00:45:08accepted
00:45:08he didn't do it
00:45:10let's say
00:45:11socially
00:45:12it wasn't
00:45:12it was not harmful
00:45:13for no one
00:45:14the problem
00:45:14was
00:45:15when it happened
00:45:15this accident
00:45:16let's call it an accident
00:45:17In short
00:45:18at that point there
00:45:19she asked herself
00:45:20immediately
00:45:21the necessity
00:45:22to make sure
00:45:24that of all this
00:45:25if we talked
00:45:26as little as possible
00:45:27In short
00:45:28then Raffaella
00:45:29should remain
00:45:30that of the first hour
00:45:31that is, on impulse
00:45:34passionate
00:45:34Raffaella
00:45:35No
00:45:36I owe you
00:45:36I have to leave you
00:45:38No
00:45:38but
00:45:39it's very important
00:45:41what
00:45:41you told us
00:45:42this evening
00:45:43why is it sought
00:45:44DNA
00:45:45on other objects
00:45:46so it's a story
00:45:47which of course
00:45:47we will continue
00:45:49to follow
00:45:49Why
00:45:50there he is
00:45:51Please
00:45:53Yes
00:45:54Gianni
00:45:55ninth
00:45:56I just wanted
00:45:57know
00:45:58Why
00:46:00in the morning
00:46:01after the accident
00:46:03a
00:46:03a person
00:46:05a waitress
00:46:07of a tree
00:46:08it seems to me
00:46:08he received at home
00:46:09of the clothes
00:46:10stained with blood
00:46:12Gianni
00:46:13if he remembers it
00:46:14she
00:46:14At that time
00:46:16they are things
00:46:17that go
00:46:18verified
00:46:19ninth
00:46:20but it's like
00:46:21the banknotes
00:46:22stained with blood
00:46:23this story
00:46:24this story
00:46:25which is really
00:46:26important
00:46:27because as he says
00:46:28Gianni
00:46:29there are many
00:46:29many dark sides
00:46:31No
00:46:31even the banknotes
00:46:32stained with blood
00:46:33In short
00:46:33which apparently
00:46:34they were lost
00:46:35I thank
00:46:36Raffaella Grigi
00:46:37I thank our guests
00:46:38but I have to tell you
00:46:40that we must follow
00:46:41Thank you
00:46:42thanks to you
00:46:42this other case too
00:46:44Why
00:46:44it seems impossible
00:46:46but you can disappear
00:46:47with your own car
00:46:49and not be found
00:46:50more
00:46:51Ivan Bach
00:46:52our correspondent
00:46:53with Vanessa
00:46:53Rinaldi
00:46:58I miss him
00:46:59I miss his cassini
00:47:00I miss his daily life
00:47:01I miss him
00:47:03I'm missing the idea
00:47:04I'm missing the idea
00:47:05to know
00:47:05that anyway
00:47:07our complicity
00:47:09I miss him
00:47:09I miss everything
00:47:10I miss everything
00:47:13Alexander
00:47:14if he was looking for it
00:47:15alone
00:47:15his brother Massimo
00:47:16but then
00:47:17he had to go back
00:47:18in Switzerland
00:47:18where he lives
00:47:19and has been working for ten years
00:47:23he's coming to pick us up
00:47:24the station
00:47:25and together with him
00:47:26let's go to Melide
00:47:27where he works
00:47:27in a hospitality facility
00:47:29he takes care of
00:47:30of restructuring
00:47:32we are on the lake
00:47:33from Lugano
00:47:33and it's here
00:47:34who spends his time
00:47:35but for a day
00:47:36very precise
00:47:37March 25th
00:47:38the days
00:47:39they are all the same
00:47:40black
00:47:41I closed a part
00:47:43of my life
00:47:43that March 25th
00:47:45and I started again
00:47:46a new life
00:47:47after the fact
00:47:48after the event
00:47:49of the disappearance
00:47:50of my brother
00:47:57and it's not easy
00:47:59it's not easy
00:48:00it's not easy
00:48:00why do you live day and night
00:48:02with thought
00:48:04where will it be
00:48:05why did it happen
00:48:06what could I do
00:48:07what I didn't do
00:48:09but what happened
00:48:11to Massimo
00:48:11he manages
00:48:13a pork butcher's shop
00:48:14in the center of caves
00:48:15in the province of Rome
00:48:16where he lives
00:48:16business is not going well
00:48:18and Alexander
00:48:19which helps him financially
00:48:20decides that it is necessary
00:48:21close it
00:48:22I don't know clearly
00:48:24as much as I
00:48:24may have made a mistake
00:48:25rather
00:48:25my mom
00:48:26poor thing
00:48:27you know why he grants
00:48:28Always
00:48:28it arrived at a certain point
00:48:30you say it's no longer
00:48:30a help
00:48:31we have to stop
00:48:33because the further we go
00:48:35it's worse
00:48:36it's the thing
00:48:37Why
00:48:38actually
00:48:40we are not doing it anymore
00:48:41helping
00:48:42it's too much
00:48:43the problems were related
00:48:45at the pork butcher's
00:48:46the problems were related
00:48:47at the shop
00:48:48the problems were related
00:48:49at the shop
00:48:50but are there any regrets?
00:48:54Yes
00:48:56Yes
00:48:56and what are they?
00:48:59the fact itself
00:49:00that it was me
00:49:01to clear
00:49:01to close the shop
00:49:03to make the decision
00:49:04to close this shop
00:49:05because it didn't work anymore
00:49:06I couldn't do it anymore
00:49:07to help him financially
00:49:08and then however
00:49:09Here you are
00:49:10the results
00:49:11of choice
00:49:11these were
00:49:14Unfortunately
00:49:16Alexander
00:49:16he feels guilty
00:49:17for this request
00:49:18but it really was
00:49:19this is the reason
00:49:20so Massimo
00:49:21is he missing?
00:49:22it's a delicate moment
00:49:23for man
00:49:24but he
00:49:25it wouldn't seem so
00:49:25surrender
00:49:26after closing
00:49:27of the activity
00:49:28find another job
00:49:29as testifies
00:49:30to this audio
00:49:30the day before
00:49:31of the disappearance
00:49:33I have to make sure
00:49:33what is this news?
00:49:35be to me
00:49:36an injection
00:49:37of trust
00:49:37precisely
00:49:38a new beginning
00:49:39good or bad
00:49:39I know it will be long
00:49:41and it's difficult
00:49:41but
00:49:42you already had the opportunity
00:49:43of the beginning
00:49:43Then
00:49:44Anyway
00:49:45a place rules
00:49:45right away
00:49:47but I'm happy
00:49:48Why
00:49:49I am esteemed
00:49:50and then
00:49:51he told me
00:49:51I know what kind of person you are
00:49:52because I
00:49:53it's difficult for me to assume
00:49:54but I know you
00:49:55I know you're serious
00:49:56and then
00:49:57I'm happy
00:49:58to take to work
00:49:59but he said
00:49:59next week
00:50:00beginnings
00:50:01a new beginning
00:50:03and yet Massimo
00:50:04at that appointment
00:50:04on Monday
00:50:05he will never show up
00:50:06disappears on Saturday morning
00:50:08what could have upset him?
00:50:10a message
00:50:12a message
00:50:14from that message onwards
00:50:16my brother
00:50:17has changed
00:50:17completely
00:50:19calm
00:50:20but not having
00:50:21could
00:50:23not having been able to
00:50:24find the phone
00:50:25we don't know
00:50:27there is his daughter
00:50:28with him
00:50:29the morning in which
00:50:29receives the message
00:50:30that troubled him
00:50:31he accompanies her
00:50:33At home
00:50:33from his ex-partner
00:50:34and comes back
00:50:35at his house
00:50:35he comes home
00:50:36cleans the whole house
00:50:37he even put it
00:50:38the clothes in the washing machine
00:50:39to do
00:50:39because when
00:50:40I arrived
00:50:40then from Switzerland
00:50:41that I arrived in Rome
00:50:42I opened the little house
00:50:44also to see
00:50:45and there were clothes in the washing machine
00:50:48so he
00:50:48he had also put
00:50:49the washing machine
00:50:50which to me
00:50:50it really made me
00:50:51so much
00:50:53made you think
00:50:54for what purpose
00:50:55there is that you
00:50:56clean the house
00:50:57start doing the laundry
00:50:58if you want to disappear
00:51:01cleaning finished
00:51:02Massimo goes out
00:51:03of his house
00:51:03around noon
00:51:04to the neighbors
00:51:05he seems agitated
00:51:06that morning
00:51:07he was out of his mind
00:51:08he didn't say hello
00:51:09the neighbors
00:51:09moreover
00:51:10he was even there
00:51:11he was so nervous
00:51:12than with the car
00:51:13he was investing
00:51:14the neighbor
00:51:15who was with the ladder
00:51:16to make the sieve
00:51:17and they shouted
00:51:19from above
00:51:19and he stopped
00:51:21with the car
00:51:21even if scared
00:51:22why exactly
00:51:23he hadn't noticed
00:51:24he was out of his mind
00:51:26he was racing with the car
00:51:28something seems
00:51:29having upset Massimo
00:51:31what was written
00:51:32in that message?
00:51:34with the car
00:51:35he heads towards Cave
00:51:36where is his shop
00:51:37he came out quickly
00:51:39and he entered
00:51:40in the street of the shop
00:51:41he did
00:51:42the street of the shop
00:51:44going down
00:51:45he made a U-turn
00:51:47with the car
00:51:48he went back up
00:51:49always running
00:51:50and then he succeeded
00:51:51in the direction
00:51:52of Palestrina
00:51:53and there they are
00:51:53the municipal cameras
00:51:55who took it back
00:51:55with the car
00:51:56while he was going out
00:51:57the last time
00:51:58that Massimo was seen
00:51:59they were about
00:51:5912.30pm
00:52:00came up from Palestrina Bassa
00:52:02it was seen
00:52:03from an adventure
00:52:04of this bar
00:52:05and he went
00:52:06in that direction
00:52:07up there
00:52:07we're going towards Capranica
00:52:09from that moment on
00:52:10of him
00:52:10there is no more news
00:52:12his phone
00:52:13it rings in vain
00:52:14between Tivoli and San Vittorino
00:52:15the night of the disappearance
00:52:17and precisely from those areas
00:52:18the searches have begun
00:52:20in your opinion
00:52:21they were made
00:52:22very in-depth research?
00:52:24Well
00:52:24I can say it with confidence
00:52:26that is, in the sense
00:52:27by the State
00:52:28in-depth research
00:52:29that have been made
00:52:30in the area where
00:52:31it turns out
00:52:33the last telephone cell
00:52:34there are five roads
00:52:36they have been searched
00:52:38these five roads
00:52:38by car
00:52:39everything else
00:52:41we did it
00:52:42we did it
00:52:44Penelope was there too
00:52:46I did it
00:52:48directly by yourself
00:52:49day and night
00:52:50I was looking for it too
00:52:51the nights
00:52:52why I say
00:52:52maybe during the day
00:52:53he's scared
00:52:54he is ashamed
00:52:54it doesn't come out
00:52:55remains hidden
00:52:56but at night
00:52:56maybe it comes out
00:52:58there was also
00:52:59an investigation
00:53:00for the disappearance of Massimo
00:53:01it has been hypothesized
00:53:02the crime of usury
00:53:03that someone
00:53:04to whom he owed
00:53:04some money
00:53:05hurt him
00:53:06but it was archived
00:53:08together with Massimo
00:53:10it also disappears
00:53:10his car
00:53:11this
00:53:12a Nissan Qashqai
00:53:13black
00:53:14what happened to him
00:53:15that car
00:53:16it was my car
00:53:17I had to
00:53:19erase the machine
00:53:20from the meadow
00:53:20right directly
00:53:21to block
00:53:22car tax
00:53:23but that car
00:53:24it's still
00:53:25out there
00:53:26Perhaps
00:53:27the car is still outside
00:53:28because it wasn't
00:53:29never found
00:53:30so no one
00:53:30has ever done
00:53:31a scrapping
00:53:32no one has ever done it
00:53:33something
00:53:34on this machine
00:53:36I can think
00:53:37precisely
00:53:37that this machine
00:53:39it went to ends
00:53:40inside a lake
00:53:41because maybe
00:53:41he passed through Castelcandorfo
00:53:43he threw away the phone
00:53:44in the areas
00:53:46of the last
00:53:46there is the telephone
00:53:47and then he went away
00:53:48who knows where
00:53:49without a telephone
00:53:50and then
00:53:51there was
00:53:51an accident
00:53:53by car
00:53:54he went to ends
00:53:54inside a lake
00:53:55him too
00:53:56or rather
00:53:57Perhaps
00:53:58may have decided
00:53:59to give it away
00:54:01they were not
00:54:02three easy years
00:54:03for Alessandro
00:54:03he was very attached
00:54:04to his brother
00:54:05not a day goes by
00:54:07that you don't think about him
00:54:08I
00:54:09it's not that
00:54:11I'm thinking about it today
00:54:12and I cry
00:54:12and tomorrow
00:54:13I forgot
00:54:14for me
00:54:15my brother
00:54:16And
00:54:17it's a continuous
00:54:19after now
00:54:20precisely
00:54:20I'm doing a little bit
00:54:21the work
00:54:22to take it out from inside
00:54:23and put it a little
00:54:24alongside
00:54:24to me
00:54:26and keep it
00:54:27always at your side
00:54:28to me
00:54:28I can't go inside
00:54:30because inside
00:54:31he takes me out
00:54:32head
00:54:32in a way
00:54:33that I
00:54:33I am not able
00:54:34to be myself
00:54:35at a professional level
00:54:36at a private level
00:54:39that's why I said
00:54:40OK
00:54:40I have to do this job
00:54:41I cannot
00:54:42Certain
00:54:42how to gate
00:54:43my brother
00:54:44as
00:54:45none of us
00:54:46will ever be able to erase
00:54:47such a great affection
00:54:48in any way
00:54:51but I can't
00:54:52don't even keep it inside
00:54:53like this here
00:54:54why is he sending me out
00:54:56head
00:54:56but you
00:54:57inside you
00:54:58Today
00:54:58you would be able
00:54:59to push
00:55:00so that there was
00:55:01a reopening
00:55:02of the investigations
00:55:03I'm looking now
00:55:04to retreat a little
00:55:05and then
00:55:06I would be scared
00:55:07to re-enter the tunnel
00:55:08of depression
00:55:10of desire
00:55:10to no longer live
00:55:13but clearly
00:55:14if I think of my niece
00:55:15I always say yes
00:55:17because anyway
00:55:18she
00:55:18not that I
00:55:19he has no right to it
00:55:20but she has more
00:55:22of all
00:55:22his daughter
00:55:23Yes
00:55:24she has more than anyone
00:55:25she has the right
00:55:26to know what the end will be
00:55:27his father did
00:55:27whatever happened to him
00:55:29but I think my niece
00:55:30it's the only one
00:55:32person
00:55:33my mom too
00:55:34because he gave birth
00:55:35they have the right to it
00:55:36to know
00:55:37and so I would say yes
00:55:39who knows where Massimo is
00:55:41at this moment
00:55:41what happened to him
00:55:44disappear into thin air
00:55:45without leaving traces
00:55:46it really seems impossible
00:55:47and the car too
00:55:48why can't it be found?
00:55:49someone made them
00:55:50both disappear
00:55:52I'm a question
00:55:53to which we cannot
00:55:53yet to give an answer
00:55:56Alexander
00:55:56he prefers to imagine it
00:55:57I live somewhere
00:55:59free and happy
00:56:00maybe with his smile
00:56:02and we also look for
00:56:10James Viglione
00:56:11he wrote a message
00:56:12I love you so much
00:56:13with a little heart
00:56:14he wrote it
00:56:15this message
00:56:15to his partner
00:56:16Ophelia
00:56:17Ophelia responds
00:56:18but James
00:56:19his message
00:56:20he doesn't read it
00:56:21the phone is off
00:56:22in the living room of his house
00:56:23he had gone out to feed
00:56:25to the dogs
00:56:25but he never came back
00:56:26we are in Quadri
00:56:27in the province of Chieti
00:56:29where Giacomo lives
00:56:30with her sister
00:56:32we are also looking for Cleontina
00:56:34who is 30 years old
00:56:36lives in Sparanise
00:56:37we are in the province of Caserto
00:56:38with parents
00:56:39Saturday, June 6th
00:56:41around 10 in the morning
00:56:42she left without documents
00:56:44nor telephone
00:56:44she never came back
00:56:46there is a lot of concern
00:56:47why Cleontina
00:56:48he is a fragile person
00:56:50and it could be found
00:56:51in difficulty
00:56:52see you soon
00:56:53after this short break
00:57:08the daily newspaper
00:57:09The Republic
00:57:09writes that the Rome prosecutor's office
00:57:11go back to investigate
00:57:12about Marco Accetti
00:57:13the investigators
00:57:14they would hypothesize
00:57:15that may have been part of
00:57:16of a network
00:57:17of adults
00:57:18that they lured
00:57:19minors
00:57:20we contacted
00:57:21his lawyer
00:57:22what does he tell us?
00:57:23that he did not receive
00:57:24no warranty notice
00:57:25but that doesn't mean
00:57:27certain thing
00:57:29is that you accept
00:57:29he is responsible
00:57:30of death
00:57:31by José Garamón
00:57:3313 years old
00:57:34he lived in Rome
00:57:35with his family
00:57:36it was found
00:57:37in Ostia
00:57:38many kilometers away
00:57:39away
00:57:40died
00:57:41and so we have
00:57:42always thought
00:57:43that someone
00:57:43he kidnapped her
00:57:44someone seized it
00:57:46Accept says
00:57:47to have invested it
00:57:48simply
00:57:49to have invested it
00:57:51because he was there
00:57:52there in the pine forest
00:57:53of Ostia
00:57:54and the car
00:57:56by Accetti
00:57:57he's going away
00:57:57he doesn't help
00:57:59the little one
00:57:59Things
00:58:00and to us
00:58:01gives this
00:58:02justification
00:58:03listen well
00:58:04what does it tell us?
00:58:05You accept
00:58:06I found
00:58:08this boy
00:58:09in my lane
00:58:11and I couldn't do it
00:58:12absolutely
00:58:14Nothing
00:58:15Nothing
00:58:16to avoid it
00:58:17the impact
00:58:18I was in the meantime
00:58:18in company
00:58:19with another person
00:58:20we went down
00:58:21with a small flashlight
00:58:24and touching
00:58:26the veins of the neck
00:58:27we found out
00:58:28death
00:58:29and we couldn't
00:58:31absolutely
00:58:31at that moment
00:58:32let us identify ourselves
00:58:34because otherwise
00:58:35we should have
00:58:36reveal
00:58:37what we
00:58:39we did
00:58:40in that time
00:58:41of time
00:58:42in that pine forest
00:58:43for ours
00:58:44pressures
00:58:45to get
00:58:46what we asked for
00:58:49we were dealing drugs
00:58:51sometimes
00:58:51for pedophiles
00:58:53to penetrate
00:58:54environments
00:58:56in which
00:58:56there was a certain
00:58:57temperature
00:58:57pedophile
00:58:59At that time
00:59:00we were dealing drugs
00:59:01for pedophiles
00:59:02he told us
00:59:03Cosè's mother
00:59:03consider that it was
00:59:04was sent away
00:59:05from Italy
00:59:06he was waiting for another
00:59:06child
00:59:07and it was destroyed
00:59:08from pain
00:59:08he hadn't been able to
00:59:09follow the process
00:59:11we contacted her
00:59:12us after so many years
00:59:13why you accept
00:59:13he had come
00:59:14in our editorial office
00:59:15saying he has
00:59:16the flute
00:59:17by Emanuela Orlandi
00:59:18Cosè's mother
00:59:20he tried in every way
00:59:21to reopen the case
00:59:22he asked to be
00:59:23listened to
00:59:24from the commission
00:59:25of supervision
00:59:25which deals with
00:59:27of investigation
00:59:27Excuse me
00:59:28which deals with
00:59:28by Emanuela Orlandi
00:59:29and Mirella Gregori
00:59:30it was not heard
00:59:32and consider that instead
00:59:33Accetti has been heard
00:59:35let's hope there will be
00:59:36time for her too
00:59:38there is a dress
00:59:39as a pedophile?
00:59:41he had told us
00:59:45there is a dress
00:59:46of a pedophile?
00:59:48you can dress up
00:59:50of a pedophile?
00:59:50how do you do it?
00:59:53I know you can
00:59:54dress
00:59:55what do I know
00:59:55from
00:59:56Snow White
00:59:58from Superman
00:59:59but
01:00:00from a pedophile
01:00:04and feel this man
01:00:06say these things
01:00:07I pretended
01:00:09of being a pedophile
01:00:10how to pretend
01:00:11of being a pedophile?
01:00:13it is rightly so
01:00:15now we leave you
01:00:16the very important news
01:00:17of Tg3
01:00:17night line
01:00:18with ours
01:00:19Giorgia Rombolà
01:00:20and as always
01:00:20we will see each other
01:00:21next Wednesday
01:00:22Until we meet again
01:00:28thank you all
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