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Chi l'ha Vintage

Paula Andrea Bran Yépez, scomparsa nel 2012, non se n'è andata, abbandonando il suo bambino: secondo la Procura non si è mai allontanata da Farneta. Paula aveva tanti progetti e la mamma che non ha mai smesso di cercarla dice: "Quando è venuta l'ultima volta a trovarmi mi disse che aveva paura di essere uccisa". Sulla vicenda, "Chi l'ha visto?" propone testimonianze inedite. Documenti inediti anche sul caso di Pamela Genini, l'ex modella uccisa a Milano da Gianluca Soncin: secondo gli inquirenti la tomba è stata profanata tra il 27 ottobre e il 2 novembre. L'unico indagato è Francesco Dolci che continua a proclamarsi innocente. Ma Pamela poteva esser salvata? E poi Liliana Resinovich: ancora una proroga per analizzare i reperti, in particolare si confronteranno le fibre ritrovate su Lilly con i vestiti che il marito indossava il giorno della scomparsa. E il fratello Sergio sempre più amareggiato dice: "Arriveremo mai ad una verità? " Come sempre spazio agli appelli, alle richieste di aiuto, alle segnalazioni dei telespettatori di persone in difficoltà.  #Chilhavisto #Chilhavintage

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00:00:04another case we are always with Nicodemo Gentile because Penelope will also take care of this case

00:00:09Paola, by the way, when they disappear and their family members are far away it's even more difficult then

00:00:15this really disturbing story, this one about Paola who is being searched for, unfortunately her husband is being searched for

00:00:22body underground everywhere in the cellars even of this beautiful charterhouse

00:00:29now what happens that the husband is called Samuel he said he accompanied her to the station

00:00:36something that reminds us of other cases of ours no accompanied to the station then he says I have it

00:00:42accompanied to the station but the cell phone remained there our Ivan Bacchi with

00:00:46Ima Giuliani and Nicola Gianotti managed to intercept him and tried to make some mistakes.

00:00:52questions we had known him young because his disappearance many years ago is now under investigation

00:00:58again for murder and here's how he presents himself and what he answers us, but a few questions

00:01:06we tried to do it to him

00:01:12Samuel we need to talk to her look Paola's mom Paola's mom called us

00:01:19saying that she wanted to kill her he always claims that she left because she would have left the

00:01:26your son there talk to my lawyer Samuel these paintings that you paint in the house what are they

00:01:33why do they tell us that they are women dismembered with blood all over what do two answers represent

00:01:39because you are not the authority here is Samuel as he appears today is very different from this photo in which he

00:01:48we see together with his wife Paola and his son 15 years have passed since then and for the second time

00:01:54he is under investigation for the murder and concealment of Paola's body. He was in love with Paola.

00:01:59because we heard the cousin Alila's cousin told us that you were going there that you were

00:02:03in love that you were very well that you were happy and she loved this rule tells us this confirms it

00:02:09yes he was in love yes and where it ended I can't tell you I'll talk to you in due time or not now

00:02:19it's not the time now you don't understand the times this is not the time ok when will this time be

00:02:25The police and the lawyers will tell me and I will call you and come to you that's okay it's a promise

00:02:33yes I promise I will bring all my paintings too I promise I will bring all my paintings he tells us why

00:02:43because we made you feel like a lady who had seen them and was impressed

00:02:48when I went home I saw a painting hanging on the wall that impressed me because

00:02:55it was a figure of a woman hugging a pole all covered in blood a bit horrifying let's say this painting

00:03:05and he says but my husband did this but

00:03:09who knows what Paola thought of her painter husband about those paintings depicting women full of blood

00:03:14Paola is a ghost today but someone has known her like this lady who contacted her

00:03:20our editorial staff she was very close to her son

00:03:24yes yes yes very very very she would never have left him I remember very well that she was like it was the beginning

00:03:33October

00:03:34mid-October no more and she came to us precisely because we had advised her to, well, do the evening

00:03:40this pedagogical psychosocio and she had gone to collect all the documents to be able to register

00:03:47because she wanted to study so she could take care of children essentially as an educator

00:03:54She ran away like this, it's not possible, first because she would never have left the child and second because she had plans anyway

00:04:00in progress

00:04:01so Paola had a future ahead of her with projects here in our country but now her body is being searched for

00:04:08Another viewer sends us a photo of a farmhouse writing "Did you check here?"

00:04:13from the photo it seemed abandoned instead we notice a lot of clothes hanging out to dry someone lives there

00:04:19is anyone allowed there?

00:04:22permit?

00:04:23at a certain point a man answers us and we talk to him

00:04:27she disappeared she disappeared I mean we all know she had returned to her country

00:04:31was this what was said?

00:04:33yes what he said

00:04:34what was he saying?

00:04:36Samuel yes yes he also told my parent once

00:04:39but your wife is no longer seen, she went away, she went away, she went back to Peru

00:04:43which is not true that it is Colombia

00:04:45yes but he said Peru

00:04:46This gentleman also tells us about Paola's beautiful relationship with her son

00:04:51who he saw often because he went to play at the fountain near his house

00:04:54that little boy came to the washhouse and made little paper boats for the boy

00:04:58but he was small, I must have been 3 or 4 years old

00:05:01and well when she disappeared

00:05:03listen, what kind of relationship did you have with this child?

00:05:05very affectionate yes one arm never let go no yes

00:05:08because he says she left leaving the baby here

00:05:11well that's what he says

00:05:14no no she was a loving mother look I'll say it

00:05:17very attached to this son

00:05:18yes yes yes of course

00:05:19As he continued to speak, the man confided to us that the police also went to him.

00:05:23the police came and asked me for the keys to the spring

00:05:26ah

00:05:27an inspector came behind the keys to the spring

00:05:30the source that is there?

00:05:31it's no further up than here

00:05:33it's higher up

00:05:34but it's like a swimming pool eh

00:05:35they opened it they looked at it

00:05:37maybe you can see if there was something inside

00:05:38yes but

00:05:38was this a long time ago or recently?

00:05:41now now now

00:05:41Now

00:05:43not only in the garden of the house where Paola lived

00:05:45and in the fairy hole in Formentale therefore

00:05:48Paola was also searched for in other places

00:05:51we then retraced the road that leads from the house to the village

00:05:55and we noticed that there are also other places that have been searched by the police

00:06:00here we are exactly one bend after the house where Paola lived with Samuel

00:06:06it is the road that then leads his Formentale to the fairy hole where they made

00:06:10where they searched inside the cave

00:06:12and this gully that actually goes towards the house

00:06:16everything was searched by the police

00:06:23everything has been cut here

00:06:25all the holly has been cut

00:06:27so it means they actually passed through here

00:06:28we need to understand why they came here

00:06:32Does anyone remember seeing something suspicious in those days?

00:06:35along the road that goes from the farmhouse up to the village of Formentale

00:06:38It was the end of November 2012

00:06:40and it is in those days that Paola disappears

00:06:45involuntary witness to this disappearance

00:06:47it is the Farneta Charterhouse

00:06:49even its cellars have recently been searched with sniffer dogs

00:06:53but all the fields around

00:06:55protected by high walls

00:06:56they have not yet been checked by the police

00:06:59I think she's in there

00:07:01it's my thought

00:07:02alive or dead?

00:07:06dead because I dream of her dead

00:07:08she is not alive

00:07:09if a priest dies he

00:07:11he digs it up and puts it in

00:07:14this is what he does

00:07:16I know for sure

00:07:18because he told us

00:07:20I'm sure she's in there

00:07:22that's why they can't find it

00:07:23because only he can enter there

00:07:30bad story

00:07:31the Holy Trinity Church

00:07:33then the convent from where Cristina Gorinucci disappears

00:07:37when there are convents and churches

00:07:38It's never easy to explain these argendes

00:07:41we will follow Federica

00:07:43the mother with Penelope Toscana

00:07:45with the president of Penelope Toscana

00:07:47Lawyer Daica Rometta

00:07:49and we will try to provide assistance

00:07:51to this mother who immediately

00:07:53he said right away

00:07:55my daughter didn't come to Colombia

00:07:57if she did not leave voluntarily

00:07:59with my colleague we will try to support her

00:08:00Listen Nicodemus

00:08:01I have to tell our viewers

00:08:03we this painting

00:08:04what the lady had told us

00:08:06then we had it told to us

00:08:08so we tried to redo it

00:08:11in short, we are doing a reconstruction

00:08:12of this painting

00:08:14here it is

00:08:15in short this painting

00:08:16which he then said

00:08:17I'll bring it to you

00:08:18which is a really ugly picture

00:08:20of this ring

00:08:21I'm not saying that anyway

00:08:22you understand it well

00:08:24what are the four

00:08:25at the side of the ring

00:08:26there is this man

00:08:28everyone watching

00:08:29and this woman

00:08:30bloody on the ground

00:08:32in short it makes an impression

00:08:34the lady is right

00:08:34our viewer

00:08:36it makes a lot of impression

00:08:38now what happened

00:08:39that we have to take a step back

00:08:41in the meantime surely someone

00:08:43he's talking

00:08:44he's saying something

00:08:46that's why they restarted

00:08:48that you start the investigations

00:08:50and someone else can speak

00:08:52but let's take a step back

00:08:53what happened

00:08:55when Paola disappears

00:08:57what did he put together

00:08:58this desperate mother

00:09:02what does Paola's mother know?

00:09:04about the daughter

00:09:05and on her marriage to Samuel

00:09:07Rosalba sees her again

00:09:08in his city

00:09:09in Cartagena

00:09:10It's the beginning of 2012

00:09:11and it's the last time

00:09:13who sees it

00:09:13Paola is scared

00:09:15he confides this to his mother

00:09:16Rosalba

00:09:16that after the disappearance

00:09:17of the daughter

00:09:18puts everything down in black and white

00:09:19and entrusts it to the investigators

00:09:21Paola was evaluating

00:09:23a possible stay

00:09:24in Colombia

00:09:24for this he searches

00:09:26possible schools

00:09:26for his son

00:09:27and says he's scared

00:09:28to return with Samuel

00:09:30Paola though

00:09:31in the end he decides

00:09:32to return to Italy

00:09:33and continue his life

00:09:34with her husband

00:09:35with mom

00:09:35they hear from each other regularly

00:09:36on the phone

00:09:37until November

00:09:38towards the end of the month

00:09:39Rosalba receives

00:09:40a phone call from Samuel

00:09:42which communicates to him

00:09:42of having accompanied

00:09:43the daughter at the station

00:09:45and that she

00:09:45she went away

00:10:20so November 23rd

00:10:24Paola was already dead

00:10:25and when it would disappear

00:10:27but I have tapeworm

00:10:28my ideas

00:10:29that this

00:10:30That

00:10:32That

00:10:33That

00:10:34with her, because when she tells me

00:10:36that Paola Andrea is out

00:10:39I told him

00:10:40how come it's out

00:10:42and she let her go, yes I

00:10:44I myself helped them

00:10:47and I went to pick her up at the terminal

00:10:49and so I told him how it is

00:10:50Therefore

00:10:51so she is the catholic saint

00:10:54Now I would like to tell you that it is the holy brick

00:10:57because the truth is that

00:10:58everything has risen against him

00:11:01pure lie

00:11:03where Paola had to go

00:11:05and it's true that her husband accompanied her to the station

00:11:08the mother doesn't believe it

00:11:09but not even cousin Dalila believes it

00:11:11if Paola had left

00:11:13she would have brought her phone

00:11:14he says he walked her to the train

00:11:17with the suitcase, he brought it

00:11:19and it left because

00:11:20he had to go somewhere to work

00:11:23so he says he walked her to the train

00:11:25because she had to go away

00:11:26the last trace of the cell phone was at his home

00:11:29of her, not somewhere else

00:11:31he doesn't have the station as he says

00:11:33who accompanied her

00:11:34and so he has to be on his cell phone

00:11:35she never went out without her cell phone

00:11:37But how does Samuel explain the fact that his wife left voluntarily?

00:11:42leaving the son?

00:11:43because this is exactly what Samuel tells the investigators

00:11:45when filing the missing person report

00:11:47in January 2013

00:11:49then two months later

00:11:51Paola's disappearance

00:11:52Samuel claims his wife left home voluntarily

00:11:56in the same conversation he states that before she left

00:12:00he asked her to sign the divorce papers

00:12:02which Paola didn't do

00:12:05So they were in crisis and were separating?

00:12:07This is also confirmed by an inhabitant of nearby Farneta who knew them

00:12:11What can you tell us about their relationship?

00:12:12I honestly know it was her husband

00:12:14they were married, they have a child together

00:12:16they were practically separating when this bone happened

00:12:19that she disappeared

00:12:20It is therefore likely that as a couple they were in crisis

00:12:23but it is still difficult to think that for this reason

00:12:25decided to leave

00:12:27abandoning her son to whom she was very attached

00:12:30according to Rosalba

00:12:31Samuel's are all lies

00:12:33and the investigators are also convinced of this

00:12:36who are looking for a body these days

00:12:38and not a living woman

00:12:40and one is slowly dying

00:12:43but I'm happy because you are listening to me

00:12:47and I know he has to say where you put it

00:12:51who gave many versions of Paola Andrea

00:12:55that gives the truth where you put it

00:12:58because there was a crime

00:13:00and when the other day comes

00:13:02he told me that the iba a matar

00:13:04and he told me how to kill her

00:13:06that the iba to put in the water

00:13:08because the beak was torn

00:13:10when he told me that the iba to put the rostrum in the water

00:13:15so that he could have it well

00:13:16you can create in this

00:13:22she is a desperate mother

00:13:24he has every reason

00:13:26then thanks to Nicodemo Gentile

00:13:28thanks to you

00:13:28I move because

00:13:29Maybe you knew it, see the newspapers

00:13:31there was some very important news

00:13:33which concerns Nessi Guerra

00:13:34Tamer was actually arrested

00:13:37among other things we had made you feel

00:13:39what

00:13:41what the consul had said

00:13:42which had been honorary

00:13:43who had been attacked

00:13:45let's see if there is a connection with Nessi

00:13:48then Nessi

00:13:49Good evening Nessi

00:13:52Good evening

00:13:53listen to Nessi

00:13:54we made it heard last time

00:13:56the words of the honorary consul

00:13:57who said

00:13:58who had gone there

00:13:59Tamer with his mother

00:14:00among other things they go there to ask for money

00:14:02it is not known what title

00:14:03at the Italian embassy

00:14:05they want the money

00:14:07and not having received them

00:14:09Tamer attacked

00:14:11the honorary vice consul

00:14:12let's hear from the vice consul for a moment

00:14:15and then we'll see what happened

00:14:17he threatened me

00:14:19I confirm

00:14:19first he tried a physical fight

00:14:23as even

00:14:24and then he told me

00:14:26I'll practically have you shot in the leg

00:14:30he told me

00:14:30I'll have you shot in the legs

00:14:34already in the past

00:14:35I had it done

00:14:35in Italy

00:14:36then practically

00:14:38he tells him I'll let you finish

00:14:39in a wheelchair

00:14:41what's happening?

00:14:42that Tamer was arrested

00:14:43for this attack?

00:14:46yes exactly

00:14:47he was arrested yesterday

00:14:48and tonight we received

00:14:50a little while ago

00:14:50about half an hour ago

00:14:52we received

00:14:52terrifying news

00:14:54which unfortunately we expected

00:14:55from my lawyer

00:14:57and the lawyer

00:14:57of the consul Giacchini

00:14:59who told me

00:15:01that Tamer might come out

00:15:03any moment now

00:15:04if he paid bail

00:15:06of 5,000 Egyptian pounds

00:15:08which is not even 100 euros

00:15:11by tomorrow

00:15:12in case he doesn't pay

00:15:14by tomorrow

00:15:14this bond

00:15:15will be held

00:15:16for 15 days

00:15:17and then brought

00:15:18before the judge

00:15:19who will decide

00:15:20whether to renew

00:15:21his stay

00:15:22for another 15 days

00:15:24or whether to release it

00:15:25so we are a little bit

00:15:27troubled

00:15:28here from this news

00:15:30which in short

00:15:32it's not what we expected

00:15:33it is certain if one could

00:15:35comment

00:15:35who arrested him

00:15:36to do

00:15:37because after all

00:15:37100 euros

00:15:38Perhaps

00:15:40let's hope not

00:15:40why did he go to ask

00:15:41the money

00:15:42to the honorary consul

00:15:44but anyway

00:15:44100 euros

00:15:45it may be that

00:15:46he will fix them

00:15:47and then

00:15:47he will be out again

00:15:48but it must be said

00:15:49that even the minister

00:15:50Tagliani

00:15:51today it is

00:15:52he expressed himself

00:15:52he said that

00:15:54that maybe

00:15:55your coming

00:15:55here in Italy

00:15:56it's closer

00:15:57you are confident

00:15:57or you're always

00:15:59at the mercy

00:16:00of this Tamer

00:16:01that keeps saying

00:16:02I am Jesus

00:16:03and attacks everyone a little

00:16:06Well

00:16:07Unfortunately

00:16:08confident no

00:16:09because as a result

00:16:09of this terrible news

00:16:11how can one be confident

00:16:13and then

00:16:14there is also something to remember

00:16:15that is still pending

00:16:17this sentence

00:16:18at my expense

00:16:19to six months in prison

00:16:20with works

00:16:22which is executive

00:16:23and that therefore

00:16:24In short

00:16:25any moment now

00:16:25they might find

00:16:27and arrest me

00:16:28and take me away

00:16:28from the little girl

00:16:29and this would be

00:16:30one more thing

00:16:31terrible

00:16:31and I renew

00:16:33my appeal

00:16:34to the Italian authorities

00:16:35hoping that

00:16:36in short, they intervene

00:16:38to make sure

00:16:39that the subject

00:16:39be stopped

00:16:40and that everyone

00:16:42we can

00:16:43to be in a state

00:16:44of safety

00:16:45because it's clear

00:16:45that if he now

00:16:47he manages to find the money

00:16:48through his mother

00:16:49that we know

00:16:50he was gathering

00:16:51some money

00:16:51to make a ticket

00:16:52and return to Italy

00:16:53if his mother

00:16:54repay the deposit

00:16:55and goes out

00:16:56I don't dare to imagine

00:16:57what he can

00:16:57go and do

00:16:58not only

00:16:59towards us

00:17:00which fortunately

00:17:01we are in a secret location

00:17:03and we try to keep

00:17:04the low profile

00:17:05but I'm worried

00:17:06also for the honorary consul

00:17:08that he exposed

00:17:09so in short

00:17:10the situation

00:17:11it's quite serious

00:17:12and it's degenerating

00:17:13Certain

00:17:13because then he has it

00:17:14in particular

00:17:15with him

00:17:15All right

00:17:16then we

00:17:16we call you a lot

00:17:18everyday

00:17:18and then we will put

00:17:20even the news

00:17:21if Tamer

00:17:21it will really come

00:17:22immediately released

00:17:24Thank you

00:17:25thanks Nessi

00:17:26take courage

00:17:28At that time

00:17:29I ask

00:17:30to the direction

00:17:31if he can send us

00:17:32the appeal

00:17:33of the director

00:17:34of the house

00:17:34Apertini

00:17:35Voltolina

00:17:35the house where

00:17:36dress

00:17:37Sandro Apertini

00:17:38with his wife

00:17:39and the first

00:17:40private residence

00:17:41of a president

00:17:42of the Republic

00:17:43open to the public

00:17:44he is worried

00:17:45for the disappearance

00:17:46of a young man

00:17:4635 years old

00:17:47which was

00:17:48an entrepreneur

00:17:49successful

00:17:49in Spain

00:17:50he made jewelry

00:17:51he traveled the world

00:17:52and then it happened

00:17:53something

00:17:53he found himself

00:17:55to live

00:17:56on the street

00:17:56the appeal

00:17:57to ours

00:17:57sent

00:17:58Chiara Cazzanica

00:18:00I wrote

00:18:01to bring

00:18:02featured

00:18:03the story

00:18:04of Medì

00:18:05this boy

00:18:05that we

00:18:06we have

00:18:07helped

00:18:08we searched

00:18:10to remove

00:18:11from the street

00:18:11and for a certain

00:18:13period

00:18:13we are also here

00:18:14successful

00:18:15but then

00:18:16Unfortunately

00:18:17as often happens

00:18:19the road

00:18:20it's a vortex

00:18:21it's a vortex

00:18:21That

00:18:23recall

00:18:24and then

00:18:25he called him back

00:18:25and we have

00:18:26continued

00:18:27Anyway

00:18:27to assist him

00:18:29this until

00:18:30on June 5th

00:18:31when she

00:18:32for personal reasons

00:18:33it was due

00:18:34to push away

00:18:35from Rome

00:18:35I'm back

00:18:36the 7th

00:18:37and I discover

00:18:38that Medì

00:18:39Exactly

00:18:40from the day

00:18:40where I am

00:18:41gone away

00:18:42he disappeared

00:18:43it is no longer there

00:18:43shown

00:18:44I was worried

00:18:45Very

00:18:46and I am very

00:18:46worried

00:18:47why Medì

00:18:48he's a boy

00:18:48who lives

00:18:49one of his fragilities

00:18:50and then

00:18:51he's a boy

00:18:52who needs

00:18:53to be

00:18:53continuously

00:18:54assisted

00:18:54alongside

00:18:55he is not a person

00:18:56aggressive

00:18:57he is a person

00:18:58mild

00:18:58he is a person

00:18:59very polite

00:19:00despite it being

00:19:01a big boy

00:19:02of a meter

00:19:02eighty-five

00:19:03it's like

00:19:04your

00:19:05companions in misfortune

00:19:07they call it

00:19:08he's a giant

00:19:09Good

00:19:09we want to do

00:19:10an appeal

00:19:11to ours

00:19:12viewers

00:19:13I would like to

00:19:14that someone

00:19:15he recognized it

00:19:16they

00:19:18he said

00:19:19That

00:19:20there is someone

00:19:21that awaits him

00:19:23and that he

00:19:24it's not alone

00:19:24and that

00:19:25so it's not just

00:19:26him

00:19:26it's the road

00:19:27and above all

00:19:28let you know

00:19:29somehow

00:19:30that is fine

00:19:31Certain

00:19:32Medì

00:19:32us

00:19:33we are here

00:19:34and we

00:19:35we are waiting for you

00:19:36with open arms

00:19:37we are

00:19:37ready

00:19:38to do

00:19:39all that

00:19:40what is there to do

00:19:41to allow you

00:19:42to live

00:19:42with serenity

00:19:45see you soon

00:19:46after this short

00:19:47break

00:20:07for the disappearance

00:20:09of the singer

00:20:09of Grass

00:20:10Greta

00:20:10Spreafico

00:20:11they have been investigated

00:20:12two people

00:20:13Andrea Tosi

00:20:14the known friend

00:20:15recently in Portotolle

00:20:16and the ex-boyfriend

00:20:17Gabriele

00:20:17what happened

00:20:18the prosecutor's office

00:20:19he asked

00:20:20the archiving

00:20:21but the investigating judge

00:20:21he said no

00:20:22we need to investigate

00:20:23still for others

00:20:24six months

00:20:25Why

00:20:25what is it?

00:20:26happening

00:20:27our correspondent

00:20:28Victor Romano

00:20:29with Valentina

00:20:29Pilgrim

00:20:38The investigation

00:20:39on the disappearance

00:20:40by Greta

00:20:40Spreafico

00:20:41it starts again

00:20:41from the apartment

00:20:42of Portotolle

00:20:43where the woman

00:20:44she had taken refuge

00:20:45in May 2022

00:20:46a month before

00:20:47to vanish into thin air

00:20:48who was there

00:20:49at home with her

00:20:50the night

00:20:51between the 3

00:20:51and June 4th

00:20:54The judge

00:20:55for the investigations

00:20:55preliminari

00:20:56did not accept

00:20:57the request

00:20:57of archiving

00:20:58and has arranged

00:20:59the extraction

00:21:00of DNA

00:21:00and the detection

00:21:01of the footprints

00:21:02on the bottles

00:21:03of beer

00:21:03and on the cigarette butts

00:21:04of cigarette

00:21:05scattered

00:21:06in the apartment

00:21:07in order to verify

00:21:08it is written in the provision

00:21:10if Tosi

00:21:10or third parties

00:21:12they entertained themselves

00:21:13at Greta's house

00:21:14Before

00:21:14of his disappearance

00:21:17For me

00:21:18they hid it

00:21:19in some garage

00:21:19some

00:21:20I don't know

00:21:22In the center

00:21:23of the investigation

00:21:24he's still there

00:21:24Andrea Tosi

00:21:25the gardener

00:21:26who has passed

00:21:27the last days

00:21:28with Greta

00:21:28to drink

00:21:29in the premises

00:21:29of the Po Delta

00:21:30and for the first time

00:21:32in this investigation

00:21:33the judge

00:21:33refers to

00:21:34to a third person

00:21:35who is?

00:21:37The other suspect

00:21:38it's Gabriele Elietti

00:21:39but it was found

00:21:40320 km away

00:21:41in his house in Como

00:21:42with his son

00:21:43we'll come back

00:21:44who was there then

00:21:45in Greta's house

00:21:46the night between the 3rd

00:21:47and June 4th

00:21:48and the investigating judge

00:21:49underlines

00:21:50that Tosi provided

00:21:51versions actually

00:21:53contradictory

00:21:54on those hours

00:21:54at half past midnight

00:21:56about

00:21:56Greta and Gabriele

00:21:57they talk on the phone

00:21:58Tosi attends the call

00:22:00he himself tells it

00:22:01at that moment

00:22:02we were at my house

00:22:03he said

00:22:04to play the drums

00:22:05she

00:22:06he called him

00:22:09you can see that he

00:22:10he told him

00:22:11I don't know

00:22:12who knows what

00:22:12how did he do it at my house?

00:22:15he didn't call him

00:22:16after...

00:22:16Meaning what

00:22:16what a mood

00:22:17after the call

00:22:19with her boyfriend

00:22:19how was Greta?

00:22:21he was sick

00:22:22he was crying

00:22:24he was crying

00:22:25and I don't know why

00:22:26yet intercepted

00:22:28while he speaks

00:22:29with her sister

00:22:29Tosi claimed

00:22:30to find oneself

00:22:31in the apartment

00:22:31by Greta

00:22:32in Porto Tolle

00:22:32during that same one

00:22:34call

00:22:34they played the drums

00:22:36or they drank at home

00:22:37by Greta

00:22:37he lied

00:22:38or he got confused

00:22:39it's not the only one

00:22:40inconsistency

00:22:41own

00:22:42who saw it

00:22:43he had said

00:22:43that Greta

00:22:44he was unable

00:22:44to drive

00:22:45that night

00:22:45On the contrary

00:22:46she had fallen asleep

00:22:47on the seat

00:22:48passenger side

00:22:49he was able

00:22:50to drive

00:22:50that evening?

00:22:52No

00:22:52I drove

00:22:54Why

00:22:55I saw her

00:22:56that was going

00:22:56over here

00:22:57and over there

00:22:57he was unable

00:23:00to drive

00:23:01so he started

00:23:02to drive her

00:23:03Yes

00:23:03he was skidding

00:23:04to the right and to the left

00:23:05I told him

00:23:06stop

00:23:06that I drive

00:23:08and she fell asleep

00:23:10Enough

00:23:11nevertheless

00:23:11according to what

00:23:12he tells it himself

00:23:13it's the woman

00:23:14to get behind the wheel

00:23:15to go back home

00:23:16alone

00:23:16around 2 in the morning

00:23:18what did he tell you

00:23:19Greta

00:23:20before leaving

00:23:20what are the latest things

00:23:21what did he tell you

00:23:22she just told me

00:23:24Andrea comes to my house

00:23:26I have my own house

00:23:29and you have his

00:23:30go away

00:23:31at 5.16am

00:23:32just before dawn

00:23:33the license plate

00:23:34of his car

00:23:35is photographed

00:23:36in front of the beach

00:23:37barricade

00:23:37about twenty

00:23:38of kilometers

00:23:39away

00:23:39it's the last certain trace

00:23:41then nothing

00:23:42how did it get there?

00:23:44and who was the guide

00:23:45there is a third person

00:23:47remained so far

00:23:50in the shadow

00:23:51with me

00:23:52he never drank

00:23:53Nothing

00:23:53never

00:23:53he couldn't

00:23:54not even

00:23:54for his illness

00:23:56let's say

00:23:57and instead

00:23:58he told me

00:23:59who drank beer

00:24:01he stayed up late

00:24:02and what was there

00:24:02this friendship of his

00:24:05Tosi

00:24:05who was the only person

00:24:07who was nearby

00:24:09the other suspect

00:24:10Lelietti Cage

00:24:11it was in the province of Como

00:24:12that evening

00:24:12as confirmed

00:24:14from telephone cells

00:24:15and from the cameras

00:24:16of surveillance

00:24:16but the investigating judge

00:24:17he decided to do

00:24:18a further investigation

00:24:19for completeness

00:24:20investigative

00:24:21it is read

00:24:22on the voice assistant

00:24:23in practice

00:24:24between the evening of the 4th

00:24:25and on the morning of June 5th

00:24:26the computer engineer

00:24:28would have interacted

00:24:29with Alexa

00:24:29several times

00:24:30from the living room of his house

00:24:31in the Como area

00:24:31those audios

00:24:32recorded by the device

00:24:34will now be analyzed

00:24:35formally

00:24:36as requested

00:24:37from the same royal

00:24:38by Vietti

00:24:44In the next few weeks

00:24:46they will finally resume

00:24:47Greta's research

00:24:48but not in everything

00:24:49the boundless territory

00:24:50of the Po Delta

00:24:51the investigating judge

00:24:52indicates an exact point

00:24:54Bottrighe

00:24:55fraction of Adria

00:24:56the singer

00:24:57it is written in the provision

00:24:58may have reached

00:24:59this little village

00:25:00on the river bank

00:25:01walking along the road

00:25:03provincial 80

00:25:03for the first time

00:25:05so the judge

00:25:06assume that the car

00:25:07left Porto Tolle

00:25:08that night

00:25:09following an alternative route

00:25:11the videos taken

00:25:12from camera

00:25:13in that stretch

00:25:14however, they were not acquired

00:25:154 years later

00:25:16the only way

00:25:17to search for a trace

00:25:19of Greta's car

00:25:19it's going back to scouting

00:25:21the seabed

00:25:22in the motion of the Po

00:25:27he killed his wife

00:25:28we saw it

00:25:29at the hospital bar

00:25:30he had thrown himself

00:25:31downstairs

00:25:32and then now

00:25:33he will go to a center

00:25:34of rehabilitation

00:25:37we are talking

00:25:37of the murder

00:25:39by Eleonora Guidi

00:25:40and we thank

00:25:42the director

00:25:43of the Department

00:25:44of Mental Health

00:25:45AESL2 Rome

00:25:47we thank you

00:25:49Dr. Cozza

00:25:50do you know why?

00:25:50because I am

00:25:51of the arguments

00:25:52that we deal with

00:25:53and have a psychiatrist

00:25:54with us

00:25:55it's important

00:25:56why so

00:25:57it makes us understand well

00:25:58the difference also

00:25:59between the Rams

00:26:00or a hospital

00:26:02psychiatric

00:26:03and let's start from this case

00:26:06this case that struck

00:26:07Dr. Cozza too

00:26:09the case of Eleonora Guidi

00:26:10what's going on

00:26:12with our correspondent

00:26:12Veronica Briganti

00:26:13and Valentina Pellegrino

00:26:19we are ready

00:26:21to many things

00:26:22but I tell her

00:26:23with the heart

00:26:24that I'm not ready

00:26:26to know

00:26:27that the murderer

00:26:28of my daughter

00:26:29it's turning

00:26:30free

00:26:31without

00:26:32no restrictions

00:26:34I see

00:26:36television

00:26:36of mothers

00:26:37who ask for justice

00:26:38for their daughters

00:26:39I see them

00:26:40but we talk

00:26:41of people

00:26:42who are in jail

00:26:43I am awaiting trial

00:26:44they are Cristina

00:26:47and Elizabeth

00:26:48the mother and the sister

00:26:49by Eleonora Guidi

00:26:50killed at 7

00:26:51on a Saturday morning

00:26:53the killer

00:26:55It's Lorenzo Innocenti

00:26:56his companion

00:26:59Eleonora was preparing

00:27:00the coffee

00:27:01the son

00:27:02a year and a half

00:27:03he was watching television

00:27:04Lorenzo Innocenti

00:27:06he hits her in the back

00:27:07with a knife

00:27:0824 times

00:27:09then goes up to the second floor

00:27:11of the palace

00:27:12and he throws himself down

00:27:13she dies

00:27:14he is saved

00:27:15we were told

00:27:16sudden rage

00:27:17from day one

00:27:18you can't go

00:27:19to sleep

00:27:20a Friday evening

00:27:21and wake up in the morning

00:27:22and make a massacre

00:27:23like what he did

00:27:25it doesn't exist

00:27:26there's something

00:27:27which brings

00:27:28to that massacre there

00:27:29it is the truth

00:27:31that must come out

00:27:32is what brought

00:27:34to what happened

00:27:36what happened

00:27:37why Eleonora

00:27:39it was reduced like this

00:27:40it did not emerge

00:27:42not even the motive

00:27:44from the morning

00:27:45of February 8th

00:27:462025

00:27:46it's passed

00:27:48more than a year and a half

00:27:49Eleonora's family

00:27:51he still doesn't know

00:27:52why she was killed

00:27:53in front of his little son

00:27:55now entrusted

00:27:56to grandma

00:27:56and to the maternal aunt

00:27:58us

00:27:58from February 8th

00:27:59we took care of ourselves

00:28:01of this child

00:28:03looking for

00:28:04to avoid him

00:28:05every kind of

00:28:07trauma

00:28:08us on February 8th

00:28:10at 4 pm

00:28:11we danced the baby dance

00:28:13the day she was killed

00:28:15the mother

00:28:16this to make you understand

00:28:17how we hugged each other

00:28:18all six

00:28:19in a hug

00:28:20we did yes

00:28:21a circle

00:28:24around this creature

00:28:27a big hug

00:28:28around a child

00:28:29to protect

00:28:30but what happened

00:28:32in this apartment

00:28:33of Rufina

00:28:34in the province of Florence

00:28:36at the moment

00:28:37it's not possible

00:28:38establish it

00:28:39following the fall

00:28:41from the second floor

00:28:42Lorenzo Innocenti

00:28:43he suffered

00:28:43brain damage

00:28:45but still

00:28:46it cannot be established

00:28:47if the damage

00:28:48whether or not

00:28:48reversible

00:28:49there is certainly

00:28:51that for the experts

00:28:52appointed by the court

00:28:53Lorenzo Innocenti

00:28:55he is not able

00:28:56to participate

00:28:56at the trial

00:28:57they are two experts

00:28:59who said it

00:29:00and they said it

00:29:01on the basis

00:29:02of a given

00:29:04which is in itself

00:29:05objective

00:29:05that is, the lack

00:29:06of a part

00:29:08important

00:29:08of the brain

00:29:09if you don't leave

00:29:11from this assumption

00:29:12it is not clear

00:29:13neither

00:29:13why the Innocenti

00:29:15instead of being

00:29:16in prison

00:29:17he's in the hospital

00:29:19Lorenzo Innocenti

00:29:20it was not brought

00:29:21in prison

00:29:22after the murder

00:29:23of the companion

00:29:23but it was assigned

00:29:25to the psychiatric ward

00:29:26of the hospital

00:29:27of Ponte Anniccheri

00:29:28near the house

00:29:30of the sister

00:29:30and mother's

00:29:31by Eleonora

00:29:32it remained there

00:29:33long

00:29:34eight months

00:29:35pending

00:29:35of the new expertise

00:29:37of the court

00:29:37of Florence

00:29:38at Anniccheri Bridge

00:29:40as documented

00:29:41these photos

00:29:42that anyone

00:29:42could have taken place

00:29:44Innocents

00:29:45he was free

00:29:46to leave the department

00:29:47to go to the bar

00:29:48to have a coffee

00:29:50to go out

00:29:51from the building

00:29:52and smoke a cigarette

00:29:53among the other patients

00:29:55like one of them

00:29:57moreover

00:29:58in the hospital

00:29:59of reference

00:30:00of the family

00:30:00by Eleonora

00:30:01One day

00:30:02with social workers

00:30:06I don't remember

00:30:07and they escorted us

00:30:08to the car even

00:30:10because there was

00:30:11the possibility

00:30:12That

00:30:12I can't call him

00:30:14by name

00:30:15Excuse me

00:30:16that this subject

00:30:17could turn

00:30:19even outside

00:30:20of hospitals

00:30:22This situation

00:30:23it went on

00:30:24long

00:30:25then last week

00:30:26after almost

00:30:27a year of waiting

00:30:28the decision has arrived

00:30:30of the GIP

00:30:31on the basis

00:30:31of a new expertise

00:30:32on the state of health

00:30:34by Lorenzo Innocenti

00:30:35for now

00:30:36he doesn't remember

00:30:37what did he do

00:30:38he doesn't remember

00:30:39who killed

00:30:40Eleanor

00:30:41but he remembers

00:30:42her

00:30:42of his partner

00:30:43On the contrary

00:30:44it is asked

00:30:45How come

00:30:45don't go

00:30:46to find it

00:30:47in the hospital

00:30:47for family members

00:30:49by Eleonora

00:30:49but

00:30:49was

00:30:50yet another disappointment

00:30:51things

00:30:52Indeed

00:30:53they didn't go

00:30:54as they hoped

00:30:55according to the judge

00:30:56Innocents

00:30:57he still can't go

00:30:59on trial

00:30:59arranges the suspension

00:31:02of the process

00:31:02towards

00:31:03by Lorenzo Innocenti

00:31:04and has

00:31:04probation

00:31:06with the obligation

00:31:06to follow

00:31:07the directions

00:31:08therapeutic

00:31:08prescribed by doctors

00:31:10of the pole

00:31:11therapeutic

00:31:12rehabilitation

00:31:13of Eastern Liguria

00:31:14and authorizes

00:31:15the same

00:31:15to reach

00:31:16free

00:31:17and without an escort

00:31:18with accompaniment

00:31:19of a family member

00:31:20the structure

00:31:20of the pole

00:31:21rehabilitation

00:31:22of the Ligurian Levant

00:31:23requires

00:31:24to the health authority

00:31:25of the pole

00:31:25rehabilitation

00:31:26a relationship

00:31:27periodic

00:31:28that at the moment

00:31:28it fixes itself

00:31:29at regular intervals

00:31:30of a month

00:31:32Lorenzo Innocenti

00:31:33so

00:31:33he moved

00:31:34from the hospital

00:31:35of Ponte Anniccheri

00:31:36up to La Spezia

00:31:37in another region

00:31:39to reach

00:31:40the structure

00:31:40rehabilitation

00:31:41him

00:31:42from the point of view

00:31:43physicist

00:31:44he recovered

00:31:45Why

00:31:46from the fall

00:31:47he recovered

00:31:47In short

00:31:48walk

00:31:50he's on social media

00:31:52it seems to me

00:31:52to have understood

00:31:53In short

00:31:53that we also had

00:31:54I understood this thing

00:31:55recognizes people

00:31:57he remembers

00:31:58he remembers

00:32:00the dates

00:32:01he remembers

00:32:03to have a child

00:32:04of having had

00:32:04a companion

00:32:05he plays chess

00:32:07this was given to us

00:32:08reported

00:32:10but

00:32:11he doesn't remember

00:32:12what he committed

00:32:15the new expertise

00:32:16establishes

00:32:17that Lorenzo

00:32:17Innocents

00:32:18has the obligation

00:32:19to take care of oneself

00:32:20but obviously

00:32:21the provision

00:32:21of the GIP

00:32:22not explicit

00:32:23what kind of care

00:32:24must do

00:32:25it certainly is

00:32:26that the expenses

00:32:27I am at his expense

00:32:28the lawyer

00:32:29by Innocents

00:32:30Patrizio Fioravanti

00:32:31he sent

00:32:32a press release

00:32:33to the press

00:32:33in this regard

00:32:35It is worth clarifying

00:32:36that the measure

00:32:37it was arranged

00:32:38in reason

00:32:39of the difference

00:32:40that the law

00:32:41establishes

00:32:41between the subjects

00:32:42incapable

00:32:43to participate

00:32:44at the trial

00:32:44for reasons

00:32:45psychophysics

00:32:46in this case

00:32:48brain damage

00:32:49and the capable

00:32:50the distinction

00:32:51it's not a benefit

00:32:52a gift

00:32:53or a privilege

00:32:54to the suspect

00:32:55but an act

00:32:56fully legal

00:32:57the Innocenti family

00:32:58believes that those

00:32:59that invoke

00:33:00a justice

00:33:00from the Far West

00:33:01they put themselves out

00:33:02from the democratic vision

00:33:04of our legal system

00:33:05for the family

00:33:07by Eleonora

00:33:07so

00:33:08there is still

00:33:09to wait

00:33:10hope

00:33:11is that Lorenzo Innocenti

00:33:12may I find again

00:33:13the memory

00:33:14of this

00:33:14what he did

00:33:15it wasn't

00:33:16not even possible

00:33:17to establish

00:33:18if at the moment

00:33:19of the murder

00:33:20was capable

00:33:21to understand

00:33:22and to want

00:33:22Innocents

00:33:23Lorenzo

00:33:24it's a subject

00:33:27who has

00:33:28a frontalization

00:33:30Meaning what

00:33:31following

00:33:32of the attempt

00:33:33of suicide

00:33:34happened immediately

00:33:35after the crime

00:33:36he reported

00:33:38a lesion

00:33:39to both of them

00:33:40the lobes

00:33:40of the brain

00:33:41these lobes

00:33:42frontals

00:33:42to understand each other

00:33:43they are those

00:33:44which pertain

00:33:45in memory

00:33:46to containment

00:33:48of emotions

00:33:50and also

00:33:51other aspects

00:33:53of ours

00:33:54way

00:33:55to behave

00:33:57The expertise

00:33:59of the court

00:34:00it was contested

00:34:01from the consultants

00:34:02biased

00:34:02of the family

00:34:03by Eleonora

00:34:03they concluded

00:34:05that his condition

00:34:06clinic

00:34:06it's completely

00:34:07compatible

00:34:08with the ability

00:34:09to stay

00:34:09in court

00:34:10of innocents

00:34:11Our

00:34:12regret

00:34:13is that

00:34:13as defenders

00:34:16of the parts

00:34:16insults

00:34:17we had

00:34:17hired

00:34:19four

00:34:20consultants

00:34:21authoritative

00:34:22consultants

00:34:22which

00:34:23all four

00:34:25in agreement

00:34:26actually

00:34:26they had concluded

00:34:27for an already

00:34:28current status

00:34:29of capacity

00:34:30to follow

00:34:31consciously

00:34:31the process

00:34:32and this

00:34:32it resulted

00:34:33according to them

00:34:34from the evidence

00:34:35clinics

00:34:35from the exams

00:34:36diagnostics

00:34:37from the tests

00:34:38carried out

00:34:39to the innocent

00:34:39but above all

00:34:41Also

00:34:41from the course

00:34:43that he had had

00:34:44in Pontannicchere

00:34:45from the clinical diary

00:34:46where doctors

00:34:47and the nurses

00:34:48of the department

00:34:49daily

00:34:49they noted

00:34:50what he did

00:34:51the interviews

00:34:52that they had

00:34:52with the innocents

00:34:53and last but not least

00:34:55his too

00:34:56interrogation

00:34:57returned in August

00:34:59of 2025

00:34:59in front of another

00:35:00chip

00:35:01in the course

00:35:02of which

00:35:02he replied

00:35:03to all questions

00:35:04there's more

00:35:06the first appraisal

00:35:07had established

00:35:08how innocent

00:35:09it was dangerous

00:35:10socially

00:35:11because of this

00:35:12had been entrusted

00:35:13as a measure

00:35:14of safety

00:35:14to the department

00:35:15psychiatric

00:35:16of Pontanniccheri

00:35:17in the new report

00:35:19instead it is stated

00:35:20that there are not

00:35:21the extremes

00:35:21for the dangerousness

00:35:22social

00:35:23innocent

00:35:24can't

00:35:25to reiterate

00:35:25his crime

00:35:26moreover

00:35:27it seems calm

00:35:28not at all aggressive

00:35:30collaborator

00:35:31in answering

00:35:32to the questions

00:35:32the investigating judge

00:35:34However

00:35:34decide

00:35:35for freedom

00:35:36supervised

00:35:36and the obligation

00:35:37to accept

00:35:38the treatments

00:35:40because she died

00:35:42Eleonora Guidi

00:35:43a part of the truth

00:35:44it emerged

00:35:45after the murder

00:35:46Eleanor

00:35:47he didn't confide in me

00:35:48easily

00:35:49just a friend

00:35:50he had told

00:35:51a few things

00:35:52the total

00:35:53absence

00:35:54supportive

00:35:56Meaning what

00:35:57one of its own

00:35:58practical

00:35:59economic

00:36:00family

00:36:01Meaning what

00:36:02Eleanor

00:36:03he thought

00:36:04in all respects

00:36:05to a child

00:36:07economically

00:36:09in management

00:36:10in addition

00:36:11Obviously

00:36:11he worked

00:36:12the more he had

00:36:13All

00:36:14The

00:36:14deal

00:36:15domestic

00:36:16that not

00:36:17it was minimally

00:36:18shared

00:36:19as

00:36:20Lorenzo

00:36:21he had this

00:36:22his ideology

00:36:23of male

00:36:24alpha

00:36:25and male

00:36:25kiss

00:36:26the male

00:36:26alpha

00:36:27he was the man

00:36:28which dominated

00:36:29he worked

00:36:30he didn't need it

00:36:31that is, he didn't have

00:36:33the slightest intention

00:36:35to help

00:36:36at home

00:36:36in the chores

00:36:37domestic workers

00:36:37while the male

00:36:38beta era

00:36:39the man

00:36:40that had been done

00:36:41to submit

00:36:42from the woman

00:36:43and so it was

00:36:44according to him

00:36:45feminized

00:36:46so he considers himself

00:36:47an alpha male

00:36:48In short

00:36:49yes exactly

00:36:50he considered himself

00:36:51an alpha male

00:36:52so Eleonora

00:36:53he had to work

00:36:54but he also had to

00:36:55thinking about the son

00:36:55and think

00:36:56to the chores

00:36:57domestic workers

00:36:58a problematic relationship

00:37:00which is evident

00:37:01even from the chat

00:37:02that the sister

00:37:03find on the phone

00:37:04by Eleonora

00:37:05after his death

00:37:06what they say

00:37:07these messages

00:37:09shut up

00:37:10you don't argue

00:37:12and come

00:37:12I came

00:37:14at your dinners

00:37:14of the

00:37:15with that guy

00:37:17now you come

00:37:18shut up

00:37:18and you don't argue

00:37:19What are you doing

00:37:21bastard

00:37:21eh

00:37:21What are you doing

00:37:22I'm serious

00:37:24I'm getting pissed off

00:37:25I came

00:37:26at all the dinners

00:37:27fucking shit

00:37:27with the remoscia

00:37:28now you come

00:37:29and you don't argue

00:37:30I'm coming yes

00:37:31we'll talk later

00:37:32yes tcc

00:37:33but you threw it out

00:37:35I don't throw it out

00:37:36never a damn thing

00:37:37and shut up

00:37:37but I really

00:37:38I do not understand

00:37:39what takes you

00:37:40where the fuck do you want

00:37:41that I had gone

00:37:42I don't know now

00:37:43but I'll understand

00:37:44it doesn't come back to me

00:37:44but I also have you

00:37:45sent the photo

00:37:46of the queue

00:37:47and it won't come back to me

00:37:48until I figured it out

00:37:49it's like this

00:37:50that Eleonora lived

00:37:52before being killed

00:37:53in a state of constant anxiety

00:37:55always attentive

00:37:56so as not to make people nervous

00:37:57the companion

00:37:58anyone who has had

00:38:00to do with her

00:38:01in the last year

00:38:02says that Eleonora

00:38:03she was exhausted

00:38:04and he wasn't happy

00:38:06in fact she

00:38:07in the last year

00:38:08it was full of wheals

00:38:10of of of of of of

00:38:12Yes

00:38:12it had some spots

00:38:14every now and again

00:38:15really swollen

00:38:16some stains

00:38:17that yes

00:38:18eh

00:38:19they alternated

00:38:19then he took cortisone

00:38:21they passed to him

00:38:22he had made a series

00:38:23of exams

00:38:24eh

00:38:26dermatological

00:38:27it was gone

00:38:28he made some visits

00:38:29but it turned out that she

00:38:30she was neither allergic nor

00:38:32to nothing

00:38:33now with hindsight

00:38:35clearly

00:38:36I say

00:38:37that was a demonstration

00:38:39she somehow

00:38:40he had to throw out

00:38:42what he had inside

00:38:44and it manifested itself to him

00:38:45in that way

00:38:46it is certain that

00:38:47Now

00:38:49it's too late now

00:38:50I was not able

00:38:54to protect her

00:38:55This

00:38:55it's my regret

00:38:57bigger

00:38:57I want my daughter

00:39:00come

00:39:02let it be done to him

00:39:03justice

00:39:04and that his

00:39:05murderer

00:39:06I don't want to talk

00:39:08nor of femicide

00:39:09nor of murder

00:39:10I want you to pay

00:39:11for what he did

00:39:12nor more

00:39:13nor less

00:39:17then we invited

00:39:19Dr. Cozza

00:39:19because we want to search

00:39:20to understand

00:39:21moreover

00:39:22let's forget it

00:39:23this case

00:39:23there is a problem

00:39:24neurological

00:39:25but sometimes we

00:39:26we're talking about criminals

00:39:27psychiatric

00:39:28it can end

00:39:29in a REMS

00:39:30but also in a hospital

00:39:31psychiatric

00:39:33At that time

00:39:34let's clarify

00:39:34a moment

00:39:35all

00:39:35let's start from the beginning

00:39:36for viewers

00:39:39before the law

00:39:40180

00:39:41we entered

00:39:42in the mental hospital

00:39:44fortunately

00:39:45there are no more

00:39:45fortunately

00:39:47there are no more

00:39:48but we entered

00:39:49with a motivation

00:39:49principal

00:39:50dangerous

00:39:51for himself

00:39:52or for others

00:39:53then there was also

00:39:53the public scandal

00:39:54but that was

00:39:56minor

00:39:57after which

00:39:58after the law

00:39:58180

00:39:59which has been absorbed

00:40:00since 833

00:40:02Today

00:40:03the law

00:40:04he says

00:40:05that exists

00:40:06Alone

00:40:07a treatment

00:40:08health care

00:40:09obligatory

00:40:09a possibility

00:40:10but there must be

00:40:12certain causes

00:40:13which ones are

00:40:14these causes

00:40:16At that time

00:40:16the first

00:40:17is that there must be

00:40:19of the alterations

00:40:21psychic

00:40:21serious

00:40:22which require

00:40:23interventions

00:40:25urgent

00:40:25and this is the first one

00:40:26the second

00:40:27is that

00:40:28the subject

00:40:30does not accept

00:40:31the treatments

00:40:32and the third

00:40:33that cannot be done

00:40:34cure

00:40:34outside

00:40:34the hospitals

00:40:35in that case

00:40:36a doctor

00:40:37can make the request

00:40:38of treatment

00:40:39health care

00:40:40obligatory

00:40:41another doctor

00:40:42of the public service

00:40:44the validation

00:40:45and then

00:40:46the mayor

00:40:47that the maximum

00:40:48health authority

00:40:49issues the order

00:40:51and it shoots

00:40:52the treatment

00:40:53health care

00:40:53obligatory

00:40:54in a

00:40:54spdc

00:40:56what does it mean

00:40:56service

00:40:57psychiatric

00:40:58by agnesicura

00:40:58which in practice

00:40:59it's a department

00:41:00psychiatric

00:41:00in a hospital

00:41:02general

00:41:02but it doesn't end here

00:41:03Why

00:41:04within 48 hours

00:41:06a judge

00:41:07protect

00:41:08must feel

00:41:10the person

00:41:11hospitalized

00:41:12and decide

00:41:13if everything

00:41:14the path

00:41:15protection

00:41:15that's right

00:41:17or not

00:41:18and then then

00:41:19there is the obligation

00:41:21there

00:41:21of the cure

00:41:22which can last

00:41:24Usually

00:41:24it's a week

00:41:26but renewable

00:41:27until

00:41:28and this

00:41:29it is the

00:41:31it's a task

00:41:32of care

00:41:33what's happening

00:41:35which is

00:41:35when a person

00:41:37that causes disturbances

00:41:38mental

00:41:39commits

00:41:40a crime

00:41:41and here I want to do

00:41:42a parenthesis

00:41:43that is, in the sense that

00:41:44people with disorders

00:41:46mental

00:41:46can commit

00:41:47crimes like this

00:41:48how they commit them

00:41:49in quotation marks

00:41:50the seasonings

00:41:51normal

00:41:52Then

00:41:52if they also take substances

00:41:54they had

00:41:55childhood abuse

00:41:56even slightly

00:41:57superiors

00:41:58but there isn't

00:41:59all this

00:42:00difference

00:42:01in committing

00:42:03crimes

00:42:03how many people

00:42:05they commit

00:42:06of the crimes

00:42:06that they don't have

00:42:07a story

00:42:07psychiatric

00:42:08I say this

00:42:09because sometimes

00:42:09snap

00:42:12automatically

00:42:13the crime

00:42:14Therefore

00:42:16if the person

00:42:17commits

00:42:18The

00:42:19with disturbance

00:42:20mental

00:42:20commits

00:42:21the crime

00:42:22must

00:42:23understand

00:42:23if the disorder

00:42:25mental

00:42:26I had

00:42:27conditioned

00:42:28the capacity

00:42:29to understand

00:42:30or to want

00:42:31in the moment

00:42:32in which

00:42:33he committed

00:42:33the crime

00:42:34and this

00:42:35who decides it

00:42:36he decides it

00:42:37in the end

00:42:37the judge

00:42:38which is

00:42:39the last one

00:42:41decision maker

00:42:41it is said

00:42:42expert

00:42:43peritorum

00:42:43in the sense

00:42:44that he must feel

00:42:45the experts

00:42:45psychiatrists

00:42:46what

00:42:48appointment

00:42:48him

00:42:49the expert

00:42:50the consultants

00:42:51of the public

00:42:52ministry

00:42:52of the defense

00:42:53etc.

00:42:53then he decides

00:42:54him

00:42:55and can decide

00:42:56who was incapable

00:42:57to understand

00:42:58or to want

00:42:59and therefore not attributable

00:43:01because there is the code

00:43:03criminal

00:43:04of 1930

00:43:05which remained

00:43:06if it is not

00:43:06not attributable

00:43:08almost totally

00:43:09snap

00:43:09which becomes

00:43:10socially

00:43:11dangerous

00:43:12and then

00:43:14snap

00:43:14the measure

00:43:15of safety

00:43:16the measure

00:43:17of safety

00:43:18which usually

00:43:19Before

00:43:19era

00:43:20the asylum

00:43:22criminal

00:43:22hospital

00:43:23psychiatrists

00:43:23judicial

00:43:24Now

00:43:25fortunately

00:43:26in 2014

00:43:28with law 81

00:43:30they were closed

00:43:31the mental hospitals

00:43:32criminals

00:43:33and it was

00:43:34set up

00:43:34a whole system

00:43:35which is based

00:43:37on the possibility

00:43:38of the departments

00:43:39and on the mental

00:43:40public

00:43:40to take

00:43:41in care

00:43:42these patients

00:43:44and how

00:43:44extreme reason

00:43:45the so-called

00:43:47REMS

00:43:47residences

00:43:49for the measures

00:43:49of safety

00:43:50that I am

00:43:51actually

00:43:51of the structures

00:43:52psychiatric

00:43:53with 20 seats

00:43:55Bed

00:43:55where it is done

00:43:56activity

00:43:57closed

00:43:57it's clear

00:43:58but that

00:43:59they are closed

00:43:59the difference

00:44:00of the hospital

00:44:01psychiatric

00:44:02and where is it done?

00:44:02rehabilitation

00:44:03what happens

00:44:05That

00:44:06it was created

00:44:08in Italy

00:44:10in different regions

00:44:11a waiting list

00:44:13to enter

00:44:14in these

00:44:14REMS

00:44:15Why

00:44:16about 700

00:44:17they are the places

00:44:18in the hospital

00:44:18psychiatric

00:44:19judicial

00:44:20there were some

00:44:211.4

00:44:21about

00:44:22of patients

00:44:23she will tell me

00:44:24because there are 700

00:44:25because at the time

00:44:27there were some

00:44:28different

00:44:29that were there

00:44:30because maybe

00:44:31they had given

00:44:3220 years ago

00:44:32a push

00:44:33to a policeman

00:44:34they had stolen

00:44:35the apple

00:44:35it seems

00:44:36a fairy tale

00:44:38and so

00:44:38they were poor people

00:44:40and they stayed there

00:44:40if the REMS

00:44:41he doesn't have the place

00:44:43you can finish

00:44:44in a hospital

00:44:44psychiatric

00:44:45No

00:44:46there is no more

00:44:46the hospital

00:44:47psychiatric

00:44:47it can end

00:44:49in the service

00:44:50psychiatric

00:44:51diagnosis

00:44:51and care

00:44:52because we've reached that point

00:44:54which however becomes

00:44:54a possible parking

00:44:55Exactly

00:44:56can become

00:44:58a parking lot

00:44:59because then too

00:44:59the magistrate

00:45:00is found

00:45:01at a crossroads

00:45:03Certain

00:45:03because if it remains

00:45:05within

00:45:06of the prison

00:45:07actually

00:45:08there shouldn't be

00:45:09why that person

00:45:10he is not attributable

00:45:11so it can't be

00:45:12prisoner

00:45:12in the REMS

00:45:14there is no room

00:45:15the expert

00:45:18he says

00:45:18that should go

00:45:19the REMS

00:45:22the SPDC

00:45:23a kind of middle ground

00:45:24that anyway

00:45:25it's a hospital department

00:45:26and there though

00:45:27a problem happens

00:45:28that they give us

00:45:30I'm talking to them

00:45:32in the sense

00:45:32health system

00:45:33some tasks

00:45:34of custody

00:45:35of custody

00:45:36not of care

00:45:37in the first service

00:45:38which one of the

00:45:39because I wrote

00:45:41also on this story

00:45:43Why

00:45:44the people

00:45:45they were protesting

00:45:46he goes to the bar

00:45:47we saw

00:45:48television

00:45:49they let him out

00:45:51but we are

00:45:52a psychiatric service

00:45:54we are not a service

00:45:55of custody

00:45:56even the magistrate

00:45:58I saw that

00:45:58in the end

00:45:59for the

00:46:01it seems to me

00:46:01where it has to go

00:46:02he said

00:46:03who is free

00:46:04to go out

00:46:04it seems to me

00:46:05to have read like this

00:46:06with family members

00:46:07with family members

00:46:08etc.

00:46:09so whoever decides

00:46:10it's not us

00:46:13that our task

00:46:14That's not it

00:46:15of the asylum

00:46:16this is what should be done

00:46:17to make it clear

00:46:17we have to take care

00:46:19and treat people

00:46:20to help and care

00:46:21listen

00:46:21At that time

00:46:23we also enter

00:46:23in another case

00:46:24important

00:46:25which is the Kaufman case

00:46:26what's happening

00:46:27that Kaufman

00:46:29you all knew him

00:46:30we saw it

00:46:31with this little girl in my arms

00:46:32he had already killed

00:46:33Anastasia

00:46:34he had left her

00:46:35in the park

00:46:35of Villa

00:46:37Yachts

00:46:38and I have to say

00:46:40it seemed among other things

00:46:41very clear

00:46:41because he succeeded

00:46:42to make fun of

00:46:43even the policemen

00:46:45who left him

00:46:46to go away

00:46:47he escaped

00:46:48then he was arrested

00:46:49in Greece

00:46:50shiny

00:46:51very clear

00:46:51he went away

00:46:52from Italy

00:46:52and had made

00:46:54unidentifiable

00:46:55the mother and the daughter

00:46:56it was very difficult

00:46:58identify them

00:46:59what happens now

00:47:00that Kaufman

00:47:01he is arrested

00:47:04ends up in prison

00:47:05the process begins

00:47:06but here comes Kaufman

00:47:08he is released from prison

00:47:10but

00:47:10it's not quite like that

00:47:12his lawyer tells us

00:47:13Paul Foti

00:47:14to Marina Borrometti

00:47:15it's not quite like that

00:47:16it's not that it comes out

00:47:16from prison

00:47:17let's hear from the lawyer

00:47:18by Kaufman

00:47:21Lawyer

00:47:21he explains to us

00:47:22How come

00:47:22his client

00:47:23Francis Kaufman

00:47:24who is accused

00:47:25of an accusation

00:47:26very serious

00:47:27of having killed

00:47:27the little girl

00:47:28and the companion

00:47:29he was released from prison

00:47:31Well

00:47:32released from prison

00:47:33can be

00:47:34almost an impropriety

00:47:35of language

00:47:36in the sense that

00:47:37he abandoned

00:47:38the prison

00:47:39by Regina Celi

00:47:41but to be

00:47:41transferred

00:47:42in one

00:47:43structure

00:47:44hospital

00:47:47That

00:47:48equipped

00:47:49let's say

00:47:49of a specific one

00:47:50department

00:47:51for treatment

00:47:52of pathologies

00:47:52by nature

00:47:53psychiatric

00:47:54so actually

00:47:55he is being guarded

00:47:5624 hours

00:47:58on 24

00:47:59but

00:48:00enjoys

00:48:00let's say

00:48:01of a treatment

00:48:02adequate

00:48:03let's say

00:48:03its

00:48:04current

00:48:04conditions

00:48:05of health

00:48:05and they have

00:48:06known

00:48:07a

00:48:09path

00:48:10completely

00:48:10involutive

00:48:11him to leave

00:48:12from the first

00:48:12decade

00:48:13of October

00:48:13has gradually

00:48:14started

00:48:15to demonstrate

00:48:16a

00:48:18impoverishment

00:48:19of the functions

00:48:21own

00:48:21mnemonic

00:48:22cognitive

00:48:23at the start

00:48:24I'm sincere

00:48:25I was even

00:48:26convinced

00:48:26to be me

00:48:27to not understand it anymore

00:48:28because I said

00:48:29Perhaps

00:48:29with English

00:48:30I can't take it anymore

00:48:31instead then

00:48:31I realized

00:48:33that was him

00:48:34that he didn't do

00:48:36essentially

00:48:37of speeches

00:48:37complete

00:48:38it began

00:48:39some sentences

00:48:43nonsense

00:48:44he was talking about all other things

00:48:45with respect to the questions

00:48:46that I asked him

00:48:47so the process

00:48:48it stops

00:48:48for how long

00:48:50it will stop

00:48:50look

00:48:51this is not given

00:48:52to know for sure

00:48:53but there is a problem

00:48:54he doesn't want to talk

00:48:55with her

00:48:56it wasn't that much

00:48:57collaborative

00:48:58not even with doctors

00:48:59on this matter

00:49:01weighs in a way

00:49:01abnormal

00:49:02the specific weight

00:49:04who had

00:49:04for Kaufman

00:49:06a regime

00:49:07of isolation

00:49:08prison

00:49:08which has continued

00:49:09for over ten months

00:49:11doctor

00:49:12look

00:49:12keep in mind

00:49:13I this

00:49:14I had to

00:49:15underline

00:49:15necessarily

00:49:16during the hearing

00:49:17that a convention

00:49:19UN

00:49:19the famous ones

00:49:20Nelson Mandela Rules

00:49:21an agreement

00:49:23UN

00:49:23of international law

00:49:24which dates back

00:49:25to 2015

00:49:26expressly provides

00:49:27the ban

00:49:29to maintain

00:49:30an individual

00:49:31in regime

00:49:32of isolation

00:49:33prison

00:49:33for over

00:49:3415 days

00:49:35consecutive

00:49:36so that you keep in mind

00:49:37what ten months

00:49:38consecutive

00:49:39of isolation

00:49:39prison

00:49:40in the end

00:49:41inevitably

00:49:42some

00:49:43mental pathology

00:49:44they procure it

00:49:47At that time

00:49:47why is it put there

00:49:48in isolation

00:49:49among other things

00:49:50Kaufman attacked

00:49:51a police officer

00:49:52penitentiary

00:49:53in prison

00:49:54sure ten months

00:49:55there are many

00:49:55but what we ask ourselves

00:49:56he's pretending

00:49:58or really

00:50:00he had some problems

00:50:01psychiatric

00:50:02due to this

00:50:03insulation

00:50:04consider

00:50:04that can be pretended

00:50:06Dr. Cozza

00:50:08Yes

00:50:08you can also

00:50:09manipulate

00:50:09the simulations

00:50:11they exist

00:50:12they exist

00:50:13absolutely

00:50:14Yes

00:50:14the problem

00:50:16is to understand

00:50:17if it's a simulation

00:50:18or not

00:50:18it's certain

00:50:19which is not simple

00:50:20naturally

00:50:21and here we come back

00:50:22with the consultants

00:50:23biased

00:50:25of the defense

00:50:27of the prosecution

00:50:29and then

00:50:29the expert

00:50:30of the judge

00:50:31and then

00:50:31the judge

00:50:33he sees

00:50:34Usually

00:50:35I have to say

00:50:36that the experts

00:50:39they share

00:50:40sometimes

00:50:40they don't share

00:50:42and then

00:50:42decide

00:50:43because there have been here

00:50:44even three expert reports

00:50:45different

00:50:45it's a case

00:50:46complicated

00:50:48this is another problem

00:50:49of the experts

00:50:49in this context

00:50:51but that's another problem

00:50:52because after all

00:50:53three appraisals

00:50:54different

00:50:55they make us think

00:50:56so what happens

00:50:57consider that

00:50:58Kaufman

00:50:59what is the problem?

00:50:59which took a little

00:51:00everyone around

00:51:01do you remember

00:51:02when he sold out

00:51:03for director

00:51:04and we all remember

00:51:05that poster

00:51:06here it is

00:51:07Stars of the night

00:51:08a movie

00:51:09by Rex Alford

00:51:10which is always Kaufman

00:51:11so he

00:51:11he also had

00:51:12these maries

00:51:13in large

00:51:14and this was

00:51:15his poster

00:51:16of the film

00:51:16everyone believed him

00:51:18and unfortunately too

00:51:19the policemen

00:51:20who had stopped him

00:51:21in the center of Rome

00:51:22he says

00:51:23of being an American

00:51:25to be a director

00:51:26and is sent away

00:51:28under the sun

00:51:29conscious

00:51:29with the little girl

00:51:30who didn't eat

00:51:31and he didn't drink

00:51:32for hours

00:51:32and he said this

00:51:34an expert

00:51:35we Anastasia

00:51:36we met her

00:51:38from the photos

00:51:39from the videos

00:51:40he does it

00:51:41of all colors

00:51:41but she tries

00:51:42always of

00:51:44protect him

00:51:44we can see

00:51:46the images

00:51:46in which he

00:51:47at a certain point

00:51:47he takes a punch

00:51:48Why

00:51:49he had approached

00:51:50to a lady

00:51:51here too

00:51:52for example

00:51:52she

00:51:54I don't know if you can

00:51:55send me the pictures

00:51:56in the monitor

00:51:56big

00:51:57she comes closer

00:51:58to him

00:51:58forever

00:51:59a doing

00:52:01protective

00:52:01Here you are

00:52:02always then

00:52:03with this little girl

00:52:04in my arms

00:52:04near

00:52:05to help him

00:52:06to dry it

00:52:08Now

00:52:08what's happening

00:52:09That

00:52:11from Siberia

00:52:13Anastasia's parents

00:52:14the little girl's grandparents

00:52:15which of course

00:52:16they are very careful

00:52:17to what's happening

00:52:18they say

00:52:18look

00:52:19there is no doubt

00:52:20he is a manipulator

00:52:21he manipulated

00:52:22our daughter

00:52:23that she had entrusted

00:52:24no one knows why

00:52:25to him

00:52:26and is manipulating

00:52:27even there in Italy

00:52:29let's hear from mom

00:52:30the judges

00:52:33they welcomed

00:52:35the ratings

00:52:36of the doctors

00:52:37that they have

00:52:38supported

00:52:39that Kaufman

00:52:40have

00:52:42at this moment

00:52:43a disorder

00:52:45psychotic

00:52:46Meaning what

00:52:46of dissociation

00:52:47from reality

00:52:48and this

00:52:49by law

00:52:51Italian

00:52:51implies

00:52:52that the process

00:52:53it must be done

00:52:54stop

00:52:55temporarily

00:52:56to allow

00:52:57to Kaufman

00:52:58to take care of oneself

00:53:00what do you think?

00:53:04he is an actor

00:53:05and a manipulator

00:53:06he did everything

00:53:08with intention

00:53:09he put

00:53:10our daughter

00:53:11under

00:53:11psychologically

00:53:12we can't

00:53:14to understand

00:53:14How come

00:53:14she didn't understand

00:53:16he is very

00:53:17dangerous

00:53:18socially

00:53:19invents

00:53:20he is an actor

00:53:21during the interview

00:53:22in prison

00:53:23with psychiatrists

00:53:24he said

00:53:24Indiana Jones

00:53:25and my uncle

00:53:26then he said

00:53:27also to be

00:53:28the reincarnation

00:53:29of Zeus

00:53:30by Pablo Picasso

00:53:31of Napoleon

00:53:32really

00:53:33but then

00:53:34he said

00:53:34that Anastasia

00:53:35she was a prostitute

00:53:36Russian

00:53:36which was

00:53:38killed

00:53:39from a clone of him

00:53:39him when

00:53:41he treated badly

00:53:42Anastasia

00:53:43he was lucid

00:53:44even to the mother

00:53:46when he wrote

00:53:47that they were arguing

00:53:48the mother

00:53:49he told him

00:53:49who had a little girl

00:53:50and that he had to

00:53:51be responsible

00:53:53then he ran away

00:53:54and he went

00:53:55in Greece

00:53:56he had the ideas

00:53:57very clear

00:53:58when he did it

00:53:59my fear

00:54:00is that he

00:54:01may escape

00:54:02because he is a person

00:54:04dangerous

00:54:04for the company

00:54:06Tatiana

00:54:06there is a message

00:54:07what do you want to do?

00:54:08arrive

00:54:08in Italy?

00:54:13I wanted to thank you

00:54:14for all the work

00:54:15what are you doing

00:54:16only thanks to you

00:54:17we know

00:54:18what is going on

00:54:19happening

00:54:19at the trial

00:54:21thanksgiving

00:54:22immense

00:54:22on our part

00:54:26At that time

00:54:27Doctor Cozza

00:54:27meanwhile

00:54:28Kaufman

00:54:29it was suspended

00:54:30at the trial

00:54:30Obviously

00:54:31and he

00:54:32Now

00:54:32And

00:54:33in a hospital

00:54:35but

00:54:36does not accept

00:54:36the treatments

00:54:37must be

00:54:38forced

00:54:39in this case

00:54:39to accept

00:54:40the treatments

00:54:40because he

00:54:41he doesn't want to

00:54:41to be

00:54:43subjected

00:54:43may not accept

00:54:44the treatments

00:54:45Why

00:54:45he says it

00:54:46the Constitution

00:54:47we have

00:54:48the article

00:54:4932

00:54:49of the Constitution

00:54:50that many forget

00:54:53what does he say?

00:54:54Nobody

00:54:55can be

00:54:56subjected

00:54:57to treatments

00:54:58sanitary ware

00:54:59without his will

00:55:01if he doesn't accept them

00:55:02Exactly

00:55:03and then there is also

00:55:04the article

00:55:0513

00:55:06that really

00:55:06has the base

00:55:07the foundation

00:55:08Indeed

00:55:08it's above

00:55:09that freedom

00:55:11staff

00:55:11it is inviolable

00:55:12where freedom

00:55:13staff

00:55:14it is meant

00:55:15the mental one

00:55:17but also

00:55:17the physical one

00:55:18and then

00:55:19one can't

00:55:20do not accept

00:55:22the cure

00:55:23if not

00:55:23by arrangement

00:55:24by law

00:55:25here we return

00:55:25to the treatment

00:55:26health care

00:55:27obligatory

00:55:28but there should be

00:55:29to be

00:55:29all conditions

00:55:31what we said

00:55:32Before

00:55:33At that time

00:55:34in the latest report

00:55:35on the mental state

00:55:36by Kaufman

00:55:37it's written

00:55:38that in his

00:55:39personality

00:55:39remain

00:55:40aspects

00:55:41abnormal

00:55:41characterized

00:55:43by trend

00:55:43to manipulation

00:55:45and to the

00:55:46abuse

00:55:47so this

00:55:48what does it mean

00:55:49which can stay

00:55:49at his trial

00:55:51I don't know how to answer

00:55:53I am sorry

00:55:54if it's about this

00:55:55and the case

00:55:56it's so

00:55:57included

00:55:57the images

00:55:58if three periods

00:56:00they didn't put themselves

00:56:01agree

00:56:01if I from here

00:56:02I can tell you

00:56:04how are they doing?

00:56:05that this relationship

00:56:07which is important

00:56:08he says this

00:56:08In short

00:56:08speaks

00:56:09of manipulation

00:56:10and abuse

00:56:12And

00:56:12At that time

00:56:14we saw it

00:56:16Kaufman

00:56:16at the trial

00:56:17it seemed clear to us

00:56:19why did he turn around

00:56:20right towards ours

00:56:20envoy

00:56:22Francis Paul

00:56:22Del Rey

00:56:23who took care of

00:56:23always of the case

00:56:24because somehow

00:56:25us

00:56:26we did

00:56:27recognize

00:56:28both Kaufman

00:56:29that the woman

00:56:29that the little girl

00:56:30with our work

00:56:32and if we can show

00:56:33the images

00:56:34he turns to

00:56:35to our correspondent

00:56:37practically

00:56:37he tells him

00:56:38read me

00:56:39on the lips

00:56:40and he also does it to him

00:56:42here it is

00:56:42some words

00:56:44they are incomprehensible

00:56:45but some words

00:56:46Instead

00:56:46they are read

00:56:48the lawyer

00:56:48at this moment

00:56:49he doesn't see it

00:56:50and he practically

00:56:52he says

00:56:52I didn't do anything

00:56:53I am innocent

00:56:55and this does it

00:56:56looking at our correspondent

00:56:58in a way

00:56:58I have to say

00:56:59quite bright

00:57:00he had told him

00:57:01laws

00:57:01on my lips

00:57:03and then after

00:57:04he also makes a gesture

00:57:05with the finger

00:57:07on the head

00:57:08which in short

00:57:09he doesn't promise

00:57:10nothing new

00:57:11Here you are

00:57:12read on my lips

00:57:13he says

00:57:13and it also seems

00:57:14Enough

00:57:16threatening

00:57:17here it is

00:57:17and then he does this text

00:57:19that's for sure

00:57:20it doesn't have a good meaning

00:57:21so here to us

00:57:22it seemed to us

00:57:23really very clear

00:57:25And

00:57:27At that time

00:57:29the problem is

00:57:30in prison

00:57:31can do

00:57:32the actor

00:57:33Meaning what

00:57:33Kaufman

00:57:34what he did

00:57:35somehow

00:57:35the director

00:57:36and the actor

00:57:37can do

00:57:37the actor

00:57:38even now

00:57:39who is in prison

00:57:40we asked for it

00:57:40Always

00:57:41to his lawyer

00:57:42what does she give?

00:57:44Exactly

00:57:44from which behaviors

00:57:46he understood

00:57:46that Kaufman

00:57:47could

00:57:48not being able

00:57:49look

00:57:50first of all

00:57:50it's one

00:57:51rant

00:57:53infinite

00:57:54a sort

00:57:56of delirium

00:57:58nonsense

00:57:59what the English

00:58:00they call it precisely

00:58:01the

00:58:02meaningless speeches

00:58:03that is, the speeches

00:58:04nonsense

00:58:05they are speeches

00:58:06without

00:58:07a sense

00:58:09accomplished

00:58:09he said he was

00:58:10reincarnation

00:58:11of Napoleon

00:58:11yes but he said a lot

00:58:12now for example

00:58:13I come to know

00:58:14since the last hearing

00:58:15that he

00:58:15during

00:58:16the meetings

00:58:19who had

00:58:20precisely

00:58:20with

00:58:21the technical consultant

00:58:22and the CTPs

00:58:23biased

00:58:24he said he was

00:58:25really

00:58:25Harrison Ford's nephew

00:58:27why is it called Ford

00:58:28as

00:58:29maximum tenth of the south

00:58:30I was missing this one

00:58:31but I could

00:58:32add more

00:58:33they are all forms

00:58:34let's call it that

00:58:37of strioneria

00:58:39megalomania

00:58:40but

00:58:42Surely

00:58:42indexes

00:58:43of a condition

00:58:44mental

00:58:44in my opinion

00:58:45very very altered

00:58:47so it's about

00:58:48just to have

00:58:48In my opinion

00:58:49a little patience

00:58:50give the opportunity

00:58:52to the competent

00:58:53staff

00:58:54hospital doctor

00:58:55expert precisely

00:58:56in psychiatric illnesses

00:58:57to put it back

00:58:58a little bit okay

00:58:59certainly

00:59:03you can go towards it

00:59:05to one or more

00:59:05suspensions

00:59:06of the process

00:59:07until

00:59:08a condition

00:59:09by Kaufman

00:59:11be judged

00:59:12let's say

00:59:13to have returned

00:59:15on ordinary regimes

00:59:18Then

00:59:19it's clear

00:59:19what's there

00:59:20a scenario

00:59:21that I personally

00:59:22at least

00:59:22currently posted

00:59:23I judge

00:59:25I'm not saying

00:59:26unacceptable

00:59:27but very remote

00:59:28that is, even

00:59:29of a sentence

00:59:30of not having to proceed

00:59:31for irreversible

00:59:33inability

00:59:34of the accused

00:59:35this is something

00:59:36which could

00:59:38in hypothesis

00:59:39also happen

00:59:40but

00:59:40it's too early

00:59:41to say it

00:59:42essentially

00:59:45At that time

00:59:45it's a scenario

00:59:46very remote

00:59:47he says

00:59:48and what we ask ourselves

00:59:50it could end

00:59:51in a rems

00:59:52but the problem

00:59:53that in the rems

00:59:54we were talking about it before

00:59:55with Dr. Cozza

00:59:56there isn't always room

00:59:58there are the lists

00:59:59waiting

00:59:59and for one who was out

01:00:01the case followed him

01:00:02our Paola Grauso

01:00:03with Valentina Pellegrino

01:00:05look what

01:00:06it happened

01:00:32I was speechless

01:00:35feel the heart

01:00:39you feel extreme frustration

01:00:45because when you dedicated

01:00:47a whole life

01:00:48so that

01:00:48he kept himself

01:00:50the further away

01:00:51to commit

01:00:53any crime

01:00:55when I was younger

01:00:57you feel like another defeat

01:01:02the explosions only

01:01:03than to cry

01:01:04and to say

01:01:05because we were not helped

01:01:07because we were not believed

01:01:09when there were medical relationships

01:01:12there was also a psychiatric assessment

01:01:14who said that he

01:01:15it was a subject

01:01:17which was a subject

01:01:18violent

01:01:19Certain

01:01:25here everyone was afraid of him

01:01:28why this person

01:01:29she was aggressive

01:01:30He also stole my post office

01:01:32he wants to see the complaint

01:01:33I also reported him

01:01:34and I followed him

01:01:37nevertheless

01:01:37then he apologized to me

01:01:39what did he steal from her?

01:01:41the pouch

01:01:41I have experienced the wrath of God

01:01:44I went through hell

01:01:46he was knocking

01:01:47he was very much a victim

01:01:49but I never believed him

01:01:51he had this technique

01:01:53to play the victim

01:01:54yes he had this technique

01:01:56murderous victimhood

01:01:57as it turned out later

01:01:59so I

01:02:00I asked

01:02:01the feeling to him

01:02:02to move away

01:02:03from home

01:02:04because for me

01:02:05it was too dangerous

01:02:07Domenico lived

01:02:08in this complex

01:02:09of public housing

01:02:10on the third floor

01:02:11of the C scale

01:02:13exactly opposite

01:02:14on the top floor

01:02:15of the D scale

01:02:16Marta Di Nardo lived there

01:02:18the two knew each other

01:02:19and for about a month now

01:02:21they were dating

01:02:22Marta goes to Domenico's house

01:02:26more or less

01:02:27then he never comes back

01:02:28you haven't seen her here anymore

01:02:30two or three days have passed

01:02:32she always

01:02:33why do I think

01:02:35why didn't he call me?

01:02:36Marta didn't arrive

01:02:38and called Martha

01:02:40ah

01:02:40I'm calling

01:02:41there is a dark area

01:02:44cards removed

01:02:47I understand right away from this

01:02:49I understand that Marta is dead

01:02:52but what happened

01:02:53that the neighbors

01:02:54those who live

01:02:54in these buildings

01:02:56every now and then they saw

01:02:58the light of the house

01:02:59by Marta

01:03:01that one there

01:03:02lit

01:03:03I since I saw

01:03:04the light on

01:03:05from Marta

01:03:07I said

01:03:08How come

01:03:08this one is not found

01:03:10the light on

01:03:11there are also those who after

01:03:11the disappearance of the woman

01:03:13meet Domenico

01:03:14go up and down

01:03:15from the stairs

01:03:16of the building

01:03:16where Marta lives

01:03:188 and a half came out

01:03:19from home from Marta

01:03:20I said

01:03:21ah

01:03:22How come

01:03:23called by the Carabinieri

01:03:25Carabinieri told me

01:03:29who is she

01:03:30I'm Marta's friend

01:03:32so it was her

01:03:33to call the Carabinieri

01:03:35it was her

01:03:35they told me

01:03:36you can't

01:03:38it can be done

01:03:39there is not only

01:03:42family members

01:03:43I said

01:03:43she has no relatives now

01:03:45what we do

01:03:46in the end

01:03:47the missing person report

01:03:49he will do it

01:03:49Martha's son

01:03:50the Carabinieri

01:03:52they enter the house

01:03:53of the woman

01:03:53and they find

01:03:54food scraps

01:03:55recent

01:03:56and a prescription

01:03:57medical

01:03:57headed

01:03:58to Domenico Livrieri

01:03:59at this point

01:04:01the Carabinieri

01:04:02they call

01:04:02the family members

01:04:03by Domenico

01:04:04we thought

01:04:05who knows what he did

01:04:06he stole a scooter

01:04:07he stole a desk

01:04:08around 8.30pm

01:04:10we arrive at his house

01:04:11we find a patrol

01:04:12of the Carabinieri

01:04:13who was looking for him

01:04:14they find it

01:04:15they enter the house

01:04:16both of the person

01:04:17of Mrs. Marta

01:04:20Of Nardo

01:04:21that at home

01:04:22of my brother

01:04:23when the Carabinieri

01:04:25they enter the house

01:04:26by Domenico

01:04:27they smell a strange odor

01:04:28it comes from a trapdoor

01:04:30on the false ceiling

01:04:31of the kitchen

01:04:32when they open the trap door

01:04:34the discovery

01:04:34it's chilling

01:04:36wrapped in two blankets

01:04:37there is Marta's body

01:04:39cut in two

01:04:41Dominic

01:04:41which at first

01:04:42had declared

01:04:43of not knowing where Marta was

01:04:45at this point

01:04:46confesses to having it

01:04:47stabbed

01:04:48held for a week

01:04:49under the bed

01:04:50and then torn to pieces

01:04:52to hide it

01:04:53in the false ceiling

01:04:54the brutality

01:04:55it shocked us

01:04:56very, very much

01:04:57I can't

01:04:58needless to say

01:04:58what he did

01:04:59but we

01:05:00what weapons

01:05:03we had

01:05:03I am sorry

01:05:05with Marta

01:05:05I had a good relationship

01:05:07but I needed

01:05:08of money

01:05:08I did it

01:05:09to take

01:05:10his desk

01:05:10Matt

01:05:11the fault

01:05:12it's not mine

01:05:12the fault

01:05:13it's my family's

01:05:14that didn't help me

01:05:15he declared

01:05:16what could I do

01:05:17I was going to rob

01:05:18have patience

01:05:19if I already pay you

01:05:20the utilities

01:05:21the rent

01:05:22I'll buy you cigarettes

01:05:24I'll give you the cash

01:05:25what more could I do?

01:05:27I had to

01:05:28postpone many things

01:05:29in here

01:05:30post to help him

01:05:32alright

01:05:33let's postpone the works

01:05:34him

01:05:35when he came home

01:05:36he gave up

01:05:37to the kitchen

01:05:37he broke me

01:05:38I couldn't do anything

01:05:39to help

01:05:40in the month of October

01:05:40that he didn't have any money yet

01:05:41I had to stop the car

01:05:43I the car

01:05:43that my sister

01:05:44it was like a shield

01:05:45for her

01:05:45I accompanied her downstairs to the garage

01:05:46he stopped them in the car

01:05:48and goes to work

01:05:48but I objected

01:05:49the escort

01:05:49of my sister

01:05:51when he came out

01:05:51at 5 in the morning

01:05:525:30

01:05:53I have to go downstairs

01:05:53up to the car

01:05:55accompany her

01:05:56but why

01:05:56he had put his hands on him

01:05:58he tried

01:06:00but I was

01:06:02his obstacle

01:06:03because I was the one

01:06:04that was getting in the way

01:06:06he had anyway

01:06:08a certain type of fear

01:06:09because I

01:06:09I had to anyway

01:06:10defend myself

01:06:11somehow

01:06:11I gave up

01:06:13to make a life for myself

01:06:14OK

01:06:15I gave up everything

01:06:17like me

01:06:17my twin sister

01:06:18that if she wasn't there

01:06:19I

01:06:20from brother

01:06:23and from person

01:06:24which turned

01:06:25to all institutions

01:06:26what could I do

01:06:28but the most incredible thing

01:06:30is that all this

01:06:31it could have been avoided

01:06:32why Domenico

01:06:33as we will see

01:06:34he has several criminal records

01:06:36and for over a year

01:06:37by arrangement

01:06:38of a judge

01:06:39had to be found

01:06:40forced

01:06:41in a REMS

01:06:42a residence

01:06:43for the execution

01:06:44precautionary measures

01:06:45Now

01:06:46the REMS

01:06:47in Italy

01:06:47there are few

01:06:48and always full

01:06:49and Domenico Livrieri

01:06:50it was put

01:06:51in a kind

01:06:52of waiting list

01:06:53and in the meantime

01:06:54he stayed at home

01:06:55free to ruin

01:06:56life

01:06:57to himself

01:06:57and to the others

01:06:58if

01:06:59the Italian state

01:07:01would have intervened

01:07:02building

01:07:02the right structures

01:07:04building

01:07:04the right structures

01:07:05us

01:07:06to date

01:07:07I wasn't here

01:07:08to talk to her

01:07:10Joseph

01:07:10he spent his life

01:07:11chasing his brother

01:07:13between hospitals

01:07:13and prisons

01:07:14ever since

01:07:15still a minor

01:07:16he ran away from home

01:07:17between prison

01:07:18judicial hospital

01:07:20and community

01:07:20seven years pass

01:07:21in which follows

01:07:22of therapies

01:07:23and improves

01:07:24but returned home

01:07:25after a little while

01:07:26it decompensates again

01:07:27in the grip

01:07:28to an acute crisis

01:07:29he introduces himself

01:07:30himself

01:07:31in the hospital

01:07:31to be hospitalized

01:07:32he is hospitalized

01:07:34do these ten days

01:07:35they discharge him

01:07:37him on the way

01:07:38from the hospital

01:07:39at his home

01:07:40asks

01:07:41a woman

01:07:42he offers to give him

01:07:43a passage

01:07:44he gets into the car

01:07:45with this woman

01:07:46here

01:07:46he steals his ATM card

01:07:48not happy

01:07:49of the theft

01:07:50of this ATM

01:07:53he goes around

01:07:54and they find it

01:07:55on board

01:07:55of a stolen scooter

01:07:56is brought

01:07:57in a barracks

01:07:58of carabinieri

01:07:58where it is identified

01:08:01he is reported

01:08:02at large

01:08:03they call us

01:08:03and they say

01:08:03look at his brother

01:08:04it is at this barracks

01:08:05so and so

01:08:06he has to come here

01:08:08we went

01:08:08at the barracks

01:08:10and it is given to us

01:08:11on delivery

01:08:12not even an hour

01:08:13that we are going home

01:08:15I hear a knock

01:08:16the bell rings again

01:08:17says the police

01:08:18goodbye my

01:08:19what happened

01:08:20we just left

01:08:21they go up

01:08:22they ask us

01:08:23if Domenico

01:08:24he had a wallet

01:08:26who had stolen

01:08:27in the barracks

01:08:28I remain stunned

01:08:29as I say

01:08:29but

01:08:31he stole

01:08:33a barracks

01:08:34be patient

01:08:35I know he was arrested

01:08:37for guidance

01:08:38on a

01:08:39found

01:08:40the guide

01:08:40of a stolen scooter

01:08:41he is taken to the barracks

01:08:43where do you think that

01:08:45more than the barracks

01:08:47more surrounded

01:08:48by the Carabinieri

01:08:49he comes out with this

01:08:50wallet

01:08:51of this

01:08:51female carabiniere

01:08:53he takes them away

01:08:54how did he do it

01:08:55also skilled

01:08:56In short

01:08:57to do this

01:08:58he is reported

01:09:00at large

01:09:00is left

01:09:01Then

01:09:02there is the next one

01:09:03there is the condemnation

01:09:04he enters

01:09:05in

01:09:06in

01:09:08Rems

01:09:08to discount

01:09:09the scooter

01:09:09stolen

01:09:10and two ATMs

01:09:12that of the carabiniere

01:09:13and that of the

01:09:14of the lady

01:09:15that time

01:09:15the place

01:09:16in the Rems

01:09:17is found

01:09:18they find it

01:09:20then Domenico

01:09:22he is free again

01:09:23but after a year

01:09:24invite a woman

01:09:25at his house

01:09:25and attacks her

01:09:27threatening her

01:09:27with a knife

01:09:31Dominic

01:09:31he is sentenced

01:09:32for attempted

01:09:33sexual violence

01:09:34and personal injuries

01:09:36he is sentenced

01:09:37at one year

01:09:38of Rems

01:09:39and two

01:09:39years and eight months

01:09:41of imprisonment

01:09:41is brought

01:09:42first in San Vittore

01:09:44for four months

01:09:45they call us

01:09:46around 7pm

01:09:47and 30 in the evening

01:09:48they tell us

01:09:49look

01:09:50Miss

01:09:51Taldetali

01:09:52come here

01:09:53because his brother

01:09:53he is about to be released from prison

01:09:55and he has to bring it

01:09:55at your home

01:09:57we give a guarantee

01:09:58to the CPS

01:09:59and to the family

01:09:59pending

01:10:00of this Rems

01:10:01a year and a half

01:10:02pending

01:10:03of the Rems

01:10:04pending

01:10:04of this

01:10:05he was at home

01:10:06probation

01:10:07Certain

01:10:08given a foster care

01:10:09to social services

01:10:10and to the family

01:10:11social services

01:10:12and to the family

01:10:13so it was always you

01:10:14that you were going

01:10:15from Canelli

01:10:16he's answering himself

01:10:17and he lately

01:10:18he wasn't feeling well at all

01:10:19as it is highlighted

01:10:21from the shelters

01:10:22to numerous hospitalizations

01:10:23No

01:10:23he wasn't well

01:10:24really

01:10:25Dominic

01:10:26he comes to throw

01:10:27from the balcony

01:10:27an entire kitchen

01:10:29by pure chance

01:10:30there's no escape

01:10:31the dead man

01:10:31he threw it

01:10:32from the balcony

01:10:34All

01:10:35all completely

01:10:35an apartment

01:10:36just renovated

01:10:37look

01:10:38we heard

01:10:39only

01:10:40a big roar

01:10:41why electrometers

01:10:42they have a weight

01:10:43then you looked out

01:10:44what did you see?

01:10:45we saw

01:10:46what he threw away

01:10:47down below

01:10:47the kitchen

01:10:48the washing machine

01:10:48what he threw away

01:10:50but despite the risk

01:10:51despite him

01:10:52committed these data

01:10:53I made him come

01:10:53daily here

01:10:55everyday

01:10:56even if he called me

01:10:57the carabinieri

01:10:58Nothing

01:10:59I pretended nothing was happening

01:11:00on purpose

01:11:01to keep it

01:11:02as much as possible

01:11:04watched closely

01:11:06pending

01:11:07always of this

01:11:08Rams

01:11:09what he told you

01:11:10there is not this

01:11:11that never arrived

01:11:14finally Domenico

01:11:15meet Marta

01:11:16he waited for her

01:11:17with a knife

01:11:18wrapped in a blanket

01:11:19he hit her

01:11:21then he took them

01:11:22the ATM

01:11:22and took it

01:11:23170 euros

01:11:25from his pension

01:11:26in the arrest warrant

01:11:28he puts himself

01:11:28black on white

01:11:29that the only solution

01:11:31it would have been

01:11:32the hospitalization

01:11:32of the Rams

01:11:33never performed

01:11:43this case is terrible

01:11:45with family members

01:11:46that they feel

01:11:46abandoned

01:11:47this brother

01:11:48and above all

01:11:49this fact

01:11:50of the list

01:11:50of waiting

01:11:52for a Rams

01:11:53the place

01:11:54it doesn't arrive

01:11:55and this man

01:11:56that kills

01:11:56what's there

01:11:57that doesn't work

01:11:58At that time

01:11:58in the meantime let's say

01:11:59that this

01:12:00it's an extreme case

01:12:01The

01:12:03even though it is

01:12:04because it's an extreme case

01:12:05it should not be addressed

01:12:07but let's say

01:12:07which is a case

01:12:08really limit

01:12:09The

01:12:10let's also say

01:12:11that the Rams

01:12:1350%

01:12:15of people

01:12:16of masses

01:12:17then they are fine

01:12:18so they do

01:12:18a good job

01:12:19this too

01:12:21it must be said

01:12:23And

01:12:24the other thing

01:12:25is that

01:12:26in the list

01:12:26waiting

01:12:27I wouldn't want people

01:12:28he thought

01:12:28that a list

01:12:29waiting

01:12:30bureaucratic

01:12:31who's coming

01:12:32Before

01:12:32and no

01:12:33they are evaluated

01:12:34many things

01:12:35they are there

01:12:36the region

01:12:38the magistrates

01:12:40the sanitary ware

01:12:40they see

01:12:41who needs it most

01:12:42and that therefore

01:12:43In short

01:12:44we are looking for

01:12:45to give these answers

01:12:46after which

01:12:47there is a criticality

01:12:48in the system

01:12:49this is

01:12:50undoubtedly

01:12:50and he said it

01:12:52the Constitutional Court

01:12:55already in 2022

01:12:56and he said

01:12:57to Parliament

01:12:58you must intervene

01:12:59urgently

01:13:01why so

01:13:02as

01:13:02the closure

01:13:04of hospitals

01:13:05psychiatric

01:13:06that there is no return

01:13:07backwards

01:13:07there is no doubt

01:13:08but

01:13:09the system

01:13:10it does not work

01:13:11also because

01:13:13they are not here

01:13:14only patients

01:13:16psychiatric

01:13:16with disorders

01:13:17important

01:13:18but it's happening

01:13:19extending

01:13:20the concept

01:13:21of not

01:13:22imputability

01:13:23even to the so-called

01:13:25disorders

01:13:25of personality

01:13:27antisocial

01:13:28what they do

01:13:29use of dependencies

01:13:30so it's going on

01:13:31widening

01:13:32this fan

01:13:34of non-imputability

01:13:35and then

01:13:36you press

01:13:37and inside

01:13:37the REMS

01:13:38sometimes

01:13:38they coexist

01:13:39more

01:13:41pathologies

01:13:41and then

01:13:42must

01:13:43to put back

01:13:43a bit

01:13:44of order

01:13:44and I have to say

01:13:45That

01:13:45even the same

01:13:46national plan

01:13:48of shares

01:13:48of mental health

01:13:492025-2030

01:13:51which came out

01:13:51recently

01:13:52which promoted

01:13:54the Minister of Health

01:13:54and all regions

01:13:56they approved it

01:13:57and I have to say

01:13:58Also

01:13:58be the majority

01:13:59what oppositions

01:14:00in a manner

01:14:01transversal

01:14:02he says

01:14:03he lets out a cry

01:14:04alarm

01:14:04must

01:14:05change

01:14:06the system

01:14:08I have to say

01:14:09that the case

01:14:09Olivieri

01:14:10it will be unique

01:14:11but

01:14:12sign

01:14:13No?

01:14:13because he teaches

01:14:14so we need to

01:14:15change

01:14:15if there is a cry

01:14:16alarm

01:14:16also of the Court

01:14:17Constitutional

01:14:18it's clear

01:14:19that you need

01:14:19invest

01:14:20it must be done

01:14:20something

01:14:22Thank you

01:14:23Thank you

01:14:23to be

01:14:24been with us

01:14:24for his

01:14:25clarity

01:14:26At that time

01:14:27he called us

01:14:29from Rapallo

01:14:29a boy

01:14:30very worried

01:14:31Hassan

01:14:32Why

01:14:32he has no news

01:14:33of the brother

01:14:35what is called

01:14:36Isham

01:14:37Now

01:14:37what happened

01:14:39the brother

01:14:40had reached

01:14:41the sister

01:14:42Caserta

01:14:42and he wanted

01:14:44work

01:14:44as a help

01:14:45cook

01:14:45And

01:14:46the last one

01:14:47contact

01:14:48it dates back

01:14:49on April 11th

01:14:51but

01:14:52it comes to light

01:14:53that on April 28th

01:14:54Isham

01:14:55complaint

01:14:57at the Carabinieri

01:14:58from Caserta

01:14:58the confusion

01:14:59of his cell phone

01:15:01from that moment on

01:15:02they get lost

01:15:03the tracks

01:15:03And

01:15:05naturally

01:15:05at first

01:15:07they thought

01:15:08that maybe

01:15:09he didn't want to make himself heard

01:15:10but after that

01:15:11I really am

01:15:12feeling sorry for him

01:15:13they fear that

01:15:13may it be for him

01:15:14happened

01:15:14something

01:15:15for this one too

01:15:16cell phone report

01:15:17and then

01:15:18they ask you all

01:15:19to help them

01:15:21then there is

01:15:22Kathleen

01:15:23who lives

01:15:23with mom

01:15:24Mariana

01:15:24who notices

01:15:25her exactly

01:15:26of his disappearance

01:15:27It's June 4th

01:15:29Mariana

01:15:29at night

01:15:30he gets out of bed

01:15:31he goes to the bathroom

01:15:31and sees that the door

01:15:32at home

01:15:33it's open

01:15:34he's looking for his son

01:15:35in all rooms

01:15:36but he can't find it

01:15:37the cell phone

01:15:38he's at home

01:15:39and Kathleen

01:15:40he came out

01:15:40in slippers

01:15:41he had heard

01:15:43the boy

01:15:43talk to someone

01:15:44on the phone

01:15:45and pronounce the sentence

01:15:46then I'm coming

01:15:47but it is not known

01:15:49who was

01:15:49on the other side

01:15:50of the phone

01:15:51he wears a beard

01:15:53and black mustache

01:15:54very well-kept

01:15:55and it disappeared

01:15:57from Perosa

01:15:58Argentina

01:15:58in Turin

01:15:59June 4th

01:16:01see you soon

01:16:02after this short break

01:16:03always live

01:16:22good news

01:16:24and a bad one

01:16:25let's start with the good one

01:16:26looking for Mr.

01:16:27Joseph Partipilo

01:16:28who has disappeared

01:16:29from Bernalda

01:16:30it was found

01:16:31a dog

01:16:32skin and bones

01:16:33was adopted

01:16:34a bit

01:16:35from all of you

01:16:35and rightly so

01:16:36you asked us

01:16:37how are you

01:16:38what happened

01:16:39he had been tied up

01:16:40to the paws

01:16:41for many days

01:16:42near the railway

01:16:43he didn't eat

01:16:45nor drank

01:16:46the men

01:16:47and the women

01:16:47that they were looking for

01:16:48Mr. Giuseppe

01:16:49they saved

01:16:49this dog

01:16:50why trains

01:16:51fortunately

01:16:52in that period

01:16:52they had been suspended

01:16:54but the circulation

01:16:56it would have been resumed

01:16:57and he really was

01:16:58railway-related

01:16:59who was it

01:17:00to tie him up

01:17:01To the platforms

01:17:02of the railway

01:17:02we don't know

01:17:03and who knows

01:17:05if he had

01:17:05a name

01:17:06but it was adopted

01:17:08from the association

01:17:09of volunteering

01:17:09the refuge

01:17:10of lonely hearts

01:17:11as he tells us

01:17:12the mayor

01:17:13and he's fine

01:17:15the dog

01:17:16we called it

01:17:17symbolically

01:17:18Bernalda

01:17:19because it was

01:17:19found

01:17:20in our municipality

01:17:21and has huge

01:17:22difficulty

01:17:23physical

01:17:25Today

01:17:25we can show

01:17:27In short

01:17:27a bit

01:17:28to everyone

01:17:28That

01:17:29the bitch

01:17:30she recovered

01:17:31and that

01:17:32Today

01:17:33he's fine

01:17:33it will be even better

01:17:34as

01:17:35will be adopted

01:17:36from this

01:17:37association

01:17:39then I told you

01:17:40a good direction

01:17:41she's a bad girl

01:17:42because in reality

01:17:42Mr.

01:17:43Joseph

01:17:43Partipil

01:17:44it hasn't been yet

01:17:45found

01:17:46look

01:17:46it's absurd

01:17:47he is 92 years old

01:17:48and 100

01:17:48he can't have gone

01:17:50more than that

01:17:51distant

01:17:51when I went

01:17:52in company

01:17:53with her daughter

01:17:54the daughter

01:17:55he never saw him again

01:17:55he gave immediately

01:17:56the alarm

01:17:57it was searched

01:17:59so much

01:17:59but nothing

01:18:00and they passed

01:18:01months

01:18:02and then

01:18:03we are still looking for it

01:18:04from Bernarda

01:18:05Joseph

01:18:05Partipil

01:18:06I'll leave you now

01:18:08a very important piece of news

01:18:09of Tg3

01:18:10night line

01:18:11with ours

01:18:11Giorgia Rombolà

01:18:12as always

01:18:13I'll meet you

01:18:14see you next Wednesday

01:18:15Until we meet again

01:18:25Giorgia Rombolà

2026.06.10 - Chi l'ha visto _ Puntata intera - 2a Parte

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