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En esta emisión participaron diversas figuras del ámbito de la ufología y las ciencias en Argentina:
- Mariano Moldes: Biólogo.
- Edgardo Marranti: Contactado.
- Rodolfo Motta: Contactado y abducido.
- Juan Acevedo: Ufólogo y psicólogo.
- Ariel Ciro Rietti: Pionero de la ufología en Argentina.
El debate se centró en analizar la naturaleza de los avistamientos y las experiencias de contacto desde perspectivas científicas, psicológicas y testimoniales.
- Mariano Moldes: Biólogo.
- Edgardo Marranti: Contactado.
- Rodolfo Motta: Contactado y abducido.
- Juan Acevedo: Ufólogo y psicólogo.
- Ariel Ciro Rietti: Pionero de la ufología en Argentina.
El debate se centró en analizar la naturaleza de los avistamientos y las experiencias de contacto desde perspectivas científicas, psicológicas y testimoniales.
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00:00Ayahuasca is a type of drug, a hallucinogen, that they say connects them, places them in a parallel world.
00:07But there are also others who say they have seen extraterrestrials since the first minute of their lives,
00:12who accompany them at lunchtime, who sit around their table,
00:16and even one who claims to have received correspondence from beyond the grave.
00:21UFOs, this is our report.
00:25Among Argentinians live some privileged people.
00:28It was a ship that was resting on the ground, it was the dirt road in Cordoba,
00:35approximately three meters in diameter, in gray, silver, metallic color,
00:42Everything was dark, and all the little windows were even darker.
00:46That is, the silvery gray as I reported, and then the little windows all dark,
00:51And there were two tiny beings, approximately 80 centimeters, one meter tall,
00:55with slanted eyes, no hair, slanted to the mouth, and a very tight-fitting suit.
01:06These were the words of Rodolfo Mota, who claims to have been abducted by beings from other worlds.
01:11I was taken, so I was taken, that's why I speak with this conviction,
01:18But not at all, I was taken, I was informed,
01:23They erase you too, they don't leave you everything, they erase you.
01:26They erase, let's say, parts of your memory,
01:31And suddenly you start to recover it over time.
01:33However, Mota is not the only one who claims to have had contact with them.
01:38The experiences lived by Ariel Ciero Retti
01:41These are in addition to the many other contacts that extraterrestrials have had with people from our country.
01:48After Irishima de la Sarkis, I received a letter from the inhabitants of Humo,
01:53extraterrestrial beings, who came to Earth,
01:56They landed in France, and they are among us.
02:02and they contacted a number of people who were investigating the matter,
02:06For example, Reina's father, a Jesuit, to me and others,
02:12a letter with a micro-fine finish, more than just a letter,
02:14It's an envelope that contained five microfins in French and some drawings.
02:20Most people call them extraterrestrials.
02:22Others call them grays or irises,
02:25But they all agree that they are alien to our world,
02:28and that they crew UFOs.
02:32Beings that have been visiting us since ancient times,
02:35who were mistaken for angels,
02:37One says angels yesterday, extraterrestrials today,
02:40Look at the different writings,
02:42I was a completely atheist person,
02:44That means I'm starting from scratch.
02:47And well, with these topics I realize my mistake.
02:50Rodolfo Mota claims that he had more than one experience with these beings in Argentina.
02:55I was also fortunate enough to be in front of them on several other occasions,
03:01I've had over two hundred experiences, I was telling you,
03:06And I tell you that some of them,
03:08From my perspective, with a higher level of evolution,
03:12beings approximately one meter eighty to two meters tall,
03:16Some emanate an orange light from their chests,
03:19very similar to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
03:22They communicate telepathically,
03:26They speak to us in the language we speak,
03:29If you're English,
03:31That will be the language they will use to communicate with you.
03:34It's a metallic voice,
03:36And sometimes it's a very loving voice.
03:38For those who believe in these phenomena,
03:40There is no doubt that these beings are superior to the human race.
03:44It is so far superior to technology,
03:47than atomic bombs,
03:49the airplanes,
03:51The more perfect they are, the better they are.
03:53It's directly comparing a gentleman with an engineering degree to a gentleman with a degree in engineering.
03:57with a child from the other side.
03:59Apparently the relationship between men
04:01and extraterrestrial beings
04:02It dates back to the most remote origins.
04:05The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah,
04:08when there was total corruption,
04:09those two cities,
04:12And the angels go and warn him,
04:15how they were like angels in robes,
04:18as the scriptures say,
04:19Angels are ethereal,
04:22angels who eat in Lot's house,
04:24angels that eat,
04:25How is that?
04:26That means they were beings from space.
04:31who went to warn these people,
04:33to this family,
04:34because that was the only redeeming feature of those two cities,
04:37what was going to happen,
04:39They were going to destroy them,
04:41and that when the time comes
04:43They had to go to a certain place to hide.
04:46However,
04:47for some schools of thought within the research community,
04:49the existence of the aforementioned ETs
04:51It is nothing more than a product of the imagination.
04:57Yes, there are so many extraterrestrial beings
04:59Since there are so many elves,
05:00Since there are so many Tereo chassis,
05:02so many werewolves,
05:03or so many yakumamas,
05:05They exist so much in people's imaginations,
05:08as they exist in the world of dreams.
05:10For others,
05:11this quest in which they fervently believe
05:13It has become the reason for his life.
05:17And I would like to see Jesus.
05:21Is that possible?
05:23Yes, I know he's alive.
05:25He's dressed differently.
05:28Well, and here you have heard absolutely everything,
05:31until the end of this person's story,
05:34which practically indicates that the path to knowing Jesus
05:38It has to do with the discovery of an extraterrestrial.
05:41I no longer know if all of this is binding,
05:44if it is part of an enhanced imagination,
05:48if it's part of a business.
05:49Ultimately, we will have to see what comes of each of the presentations.
05:54Edgardo Marranti is in favor of the existence of UFOs.
05:58But he has also brought two very particular objects.
06:01A caramel-colored glass container and a stone.
06:05What is this you have there, please?
06:08Look, Jorge, I've been...
06:10Please pick it up.
06:11I have had experiences at a ranch, the Aurora,
06:13which is known as the Omnidrome, of Salto Uruguayo,
06:16which is now closed to the public,
06:17but it was open for roughly 10 years starting in '78,
06:20and it's going to close about 6 years ago.
06:23I took this from a ship settlement mark,
06:26which means settlement.
06:27A ship, when it is supported and radiates all its energy,
06:31what lies below that energy of the ship,
06:33It is called being settled by a ship
06:34and was transformed at the armor level.
06:36Now, this, this stone that was originally a stone from a field...
06:41Is that little bottle the kind you can buy at a pharmacy?
06:43Yes, but it's deformed.
06:45This was deformed by energy.
06:46I don't want to come across as a skeptic,
06:47But you can't deform it with heat.
06:50You need to use a special oven with high temperatures.
06:53I got this from the field.
06:54But anyway, let's leave that aside.
06:56This was a common stone from a field,
06:58In this case, the Estancia de la Aurora,
07:00that when it was transformed by them,
07:03no longer because of a ship settlement,
07:05It is called a transformation at the essential level or at the internal level.
07:09This stone has beneficial properties for humans.
07:12I was informed of this at the Estancia de la Aurora.
07:14Who gave it to her?
07:16He gave it to me, or rather, it was given to the owner of the ranch.
07:19Ángel María Tona, in my presence, about 15 meters away.
07:23The two blond beings hand it over to him.
07:25and he hands it over to me.
07:27At the moment when she hands it to me, she is living.
07:29How do you know that this stone has characteristics...
07:33Because I used it.
07:34What did he use it for?
07:35What did he use it for?
07:36And I used it...
07:37Look, I know my wife...
07:39That's why these topics seem like fantasy stories.
07:41In other words, I knew my wife before I was really capable of knowing that she existed.
07:49I know my son who was going to be born.
07:51Everything through this stone, because this stone is like a little piece of them.
07:55I use it that way.
07:56It is a personal stone.
07:57He knows them.
07:58You can have a vision,
07:59and this is not necessarily related to the existence of the stone.
08:05In other words, some people can dream...
08:06Completely.
08:07Well, and this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with stones or extraterrestrials.
08:11No, no, no, no.
08:11You have to work with this stone with heat and at the level of the heart.
08:15Otherwise, it doesn't work.
08:17I used it in one of the cases, like I said,
08:19That's when I met my wife, through whom, a year after taking this stone,
08:23That's when what I was shown in a state of vision becomes concrete.
08:29Mariano Moldes is here, and we want to ask him, Mariano, if what you have heard,
08:34What we have seen is part of a fanatical trend, a misguided position.
08:40Or does it really have to do with the conviction that these people have had contacts
08:45And they have been linked, as that gentleman showed, who received, he says, a letter he had sent him,
08:50typed by a machine in Spanish, well, revealing it to him from beyond,
08:54communicating through correspondence with a human, with a terrestrial being.
08:57What is your opinion on this?
08:59Well, you actually made a reference to that a little while ago,
09:04You used a very fortunate phrase, which is imagination amplified.
09:09I'm not saying that people who believe in the extraterrestrial hypothesis...
09:13whether they are crazy or deviationists.
09:15I think they are people with a mystical orientation.
09:18who has incorporated into his mystical discourse some elements related to technology
09:22and related to contemporary literature, film, and art,
09:28such as extraterrestrial spacecraft and that sort of thing.
09:31In other words, you say, they are fanciful, fanciful mystics.
09:35Sure, yes, I mean, there's a lot of fantasy, a lot of expectations.
09:40Well, let's see what Edgardo thinks, shall we?
09:43Just a minute, because what you're saying is fine for an adult.
09:46I tell you, at two and a half years old, while awake,
09:50He surrounded me in bed, dressed in white and completely hooded.
09:53And I was crying and screaming while I was awake.
09:55It lasted until I was four and a half years old.
09:57At eleven years old, eleven years old, bear this in mind,
10:00In one of the wolves, a twinkling star descends,
10:03It grows larger, it settles near where we were,
10:06And do you know why it makes me feel like it's a real fact?
10:08The horses got scared, do you know what that was?
10:09It's an inverted plate, and then two beings appear next to that ship.
10:14the same color as the ship, and they advance towards the tent and I fall asleep.
10:17Do you look like a two-and-a-half-year-old boy?
10:19Or an eleven-year-old might be in a fantasy.
10:21Look, he was crying and screaming, like any child who has an accident.
10:24After two or three years, it is remembered for the entire harvest.
10:27And this was traumatic for me.
10:29I'm telling myself that I'm forty-two years old.
10:31There is a whole branch of contemporary psychiatry,
10:34who studies this phenomenon, but in normal brains,
10:36not in diseased brains.
10:37There are a whole range of physiological conditions
10:40in which this type of phenomenon can occur,
10:42And there are many recorded cases.
10:44I'm not denying, let's say, any statement you're making.
10:48What I'm saying is that there's no evidence of that.
10:51that objectively impose on someone the belief in the truth of those statements.
10:58Of course, there are no claims.
10:59Do you know what's going on in the United States, in the United States government?
11:02I have seen it personally.
11:03At the Scientific Congress, which was held in the City of Rosario in '83,
11:08They showed CIA and NASA videos of the ships and the beings they have, both living and dead.
11:11from other planes at an extraterrestrial level.
11:15And that, mind you, you can talk about who was scientifically prominent in the City of Rosario in '83.
11:20In which city?
11:20I'm talking to you at the government level.
11:21The city of Rosario in '83 organized it, the first International Congress, FAES,
11:26at a scientific level.
11:28I'm not talking about ordinary people.
11:29Do you know who was there?
11:30Heineck and Hurtag, from NASA and the CIA.
11:33That was one of the things he did in the videos.
11:35Beware...
11:36Alan Heineck was, at one time, a scientist who held a position within the NASA establishment and all,
11:45But then he distanced himself considerably, then he was ostracized and marginalized.
11:50because he adopted very faith-based positions on the extraterrestrial question.
11:56I was there in '83, then came the complaint you're talking about.
11:58In '83.
12:00In '83, when?
12:01Heineck was an active member, as was Hurtag.
12:05But they realized later that the man had some journeys without remains.
12:10I saw it personally, do you remember Aston, the first astronaut to set foot on the moon?
12:14He has an album he put out of beings walking on the face of the moon
12:19and the base of these beings on the dark side of the moon.
12:23Why is it that Astro, strangely enough, when he comes back from that trip, submits his resignation from his position as a space engineer?
12:29And did he begin to dedicate himself to serious studies of the UFO phenomenon?
12:33In one of the places, the investigation focused on whether Rial was simply a fantasy.
12:37It was during this stay that the dawn of Salto Uruguayo arrived.
12:39But, for example, we also have Senator John Glenn from the United States,
12:43who recently, at 77 years old, was put into orbit and...
12:46No, I agree with you.
12:47He didn't give in, let's say, he doesn't share the beliefs of something.
12:49No, no, no, I totally agree with you.
12:51You have brought a picture there of a blonde woman with a cross on her chest.
12:57What is this painting that has brought us closer?
13:00Look, I'll tell you very briefly for the occasion, because there are several guests.
13:06I don't like painting at all, it's not my hobby.
13:09And from '78 onwards I started seeing beings like this one, Mayan, who is 2.60 meters tall,
13:16skinny, with a lion's mane and, listen to this, asexual.
13:21They create bodies at a higher level, at the level of a much higher mental state.
13:26But what do asexual eyes look like?
13:28No, no, not asexual eyes.
13:29No, asexual.
13:31In other words, they have physical characteristics; they are differentiated as women or men.
13:34But they don't have what we know as feminine or masculine attributes.
13:38They create bodies through an energy of a much higher evolutionary level.
13:42Now, that's what we're going to start with...
13:44What are you trying to prove to us with this painting?
13:46No, no, I'll show you, it's an experience of mine that doesn't necessarily mean it's true.
13:50This is debatable, everything is debatable, because as he rightly says,
13:53This should be taken with a grain of salt, because it's very difficult to verify all of this.
13:57Alright.
13:58Now, look, from this height...
13:59I don't know...
13:59There are 60 paintings.
14:01Edgardo, excuse me, I don't know what Mariano Moldes will think,
14:05But ultimately, this could be a portrait of one of her neighbors.
14:09not necessarily from an extraterrestrial being.
14:11What I mean is that she has the appearance of an ordinary woman.
14:14That's because they regulate their true states.
14:17But you know what?
14:18Imagine, I don't know how to paint, I don't like to paint.
14:21And if there are 60 paintings, I can't sell them.
14:24I cannot sign it because I am merely a copyist.
14:26From then on, I started getting calls for exhibitions, for talks,
14:29because of life experiences, that's why at this FAES congress.
14:32So it ends up being a beta version for a business.
14:35No, I cannot market.
14:37I have a separate job that has nothing to do with the topic.
14:38And what is the other painting?
14:40This is gestation...
14:45Yeah.
14:46The central part of the painting shows the gestation of an extraterrestrial being
14:51inside the womb of a common terrestrial mother
14:55through a common human relationship.
14:58In other words, there are many of them here, even though it may seem the opposite.
15:01So, to you, that's a pregnant woman with an alien inside her.
15:05It is through a common human relationship, a couple,
15:09He enters one of them and is born as an ordinary human,
15:13which can be anyone.
15:15But they do dual roles.
15:17Some from space and others...
15:18Did this message reach you from beyond the grave?
15:21No, no. I copy what I see. That's right.
15:23But this too...
15:24This is a vision you had.
15:26There are material things, visions, apparitions, and copious amounts.
15:29But, let's see...
15:29I'm copying this. I saw it.
15:32You saw this.
15:33In other words, it's a message that was sent to you, a vision that you had.
15:37Sure, I copied it.
15:38It was like a... This is called a dimensional explosion.
15:40It means...
15:41Mariano, in this picture that Edgardo is showing us,
15:46You, in that dimensional explosion,
15:49Does it recognize a pregnancy?
15:51This...
15:52There are, well, some elements that may formally suggest it,
15:56But the truth is that in both paintings I see magnificent works of art.
16:01I really think you should go to the exhibitions.
16:04when they propose it to you like that,
16:05because this really doesn't have much to envy in Picasso,
16:09except that it is more abstract.
16:11And I also see that there is a great versatility of styles.
16:15Here we have a style...
16:15Are you serious?
16:17No no.
16:18He's not a close friend. He's serious.
16:19It's my opinion because, well, I also have a certain amount of artistic culture.
16:23In other words, you're downplaying the fact that this has anything to do with any real event.
16:28In other words, with a message that he received,
16:30a vision that I have interpreted in that way
16:32and that it reproduces how he recognizes the pregnancy.
16:39A pregnancy.
16:40Clear.
16:40You do not accept it.
16:41Sure, yes. Let's say, what I'm saying is that
16:44Maybe we're all wrong.
16:46Who knows, even the last of us, and that would be true.
16:50But there is nothing here that objectively proves it.
16:53We will continue discussing the topic.
16:54There is Dr. Bernardo Nespral.
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