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In this honest and thoughtful conversation, Lena Paul discusses the realities many people aren’t prepared for when entering highly visible and demanding industries. She reflects on expectations versus reality, personal responsibility, and the emotional side of navigating major life decisions.

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00:00and like can we just talk about how criminally under compensated the back end of when you
00:08compare it like i would say that you guys are doing three times the labor of a mainstream
00:15yeah employee not that there's anything wrong with mainstream but it's simply the fact that
00:20you have to know everything like in mainstream there is there's literally like you know oh
00:25these are electrics c stands like these are their stands you can't touch them you grip over here
00:30like this is not your department like you can't even touch this this stick that i'm holding like
00:35this is not yours yes um in porn everybody does everything it's collaborative like it's 100
00:42um you are lighting you are stills you are audio you are production management you are craft services
00:50you are pa everything and you're doing that for 30 percent of what one person who just has one
00:59departmental job is doing and like we were talking about this yesterday of it's such a i think it's
01:07such a like if there's one thing i think in porn that is applicable to the wider world of like gig
01:14economy work it's that if you are consistently undervaluing your work you're you're setting
01:23that standard and there's always somebody that's willing to do your job for less yep but people like
01:31i don't know the the quality aspect of this like i care about yeah what i make i want it to look
01:37as cinematic as possible as beautiful as possible i want it to be as sexy as possible and i spent a lot
01:43of time and effort doing that and then i look at the end of the day at like how much money the crew
01:48and production are actually walking with and i'm just like why are we doing this to ourselves why like
01:55this skill set that we have like we really all must be just we just must fucking love this job
02:01at the end of the day like that has to be it like there's there's nothing quite like this informal
02:06creative environment that we have but the the struggles that the that the crew undergoes and the
02:14constant law changes and the legal dimension to this like you guys have no clue how much battle
02:24goes into just being able to supply a steady diet of like ethically made porn yeah oh my god the wider
02:31world it's it's so difficult and it's like i like i would love to go into detail about it but i also
02:38don't want to call myself out on some stuff because it's just like but sometimes i do feel like i get
02:44punished because i want to do everything by the books and i want to do everything properly and i want
02:51to which costs more run a business the way you're supposed to run a business and it 100 costs so much
02:58more money when there are other people who just kind of skate around certain things and and you
03:05know i can understand how a lot of companies might go with oh this person's pitching us like a thousand
03:11dollars less like why do we care if this person is perhaps exposing himself to certain risks on you
03:20know whatever level because oh yeah they're signing a contract all of those like public miami shoots and
03:25they're signing a work for hire contract where they are admitting they are taking on full
03:31responsibility and all liability for anything that happens on set so like we don't care you know what
03:39i mean it's no skin off our back yeah so well and and like good luck say okay so like you're a company
03:45that assumes all of this liability like you're a production company that says okay sure to whomever i will
03:51sell you this scene that i'm making according to your specs um and i'm creating it this way if
03:57anything happens though the the normal protections that a contractor would have liability insurance
04:04workman's comp um the the typical dice insurances right like trying to get them to work with adult
04:12because of the stigma that we have and then like you throw in the the real legal dimensions to that
04:19like the payment processing like banks and and um at a at a federal level banks and payment
04:26institutions have been disincentivized in in very real economic ways from working with adults because
04:33we're grouped in with the same group of people as like drug dealers and human traffickers and all of
04:38these things and so putting a choke on our financing is considered a way of running porn out of
04:47civilized society but all it does is force us underground all it does is in a really real way
04:54make our sets more dangerous for crew and for talent because i don't think if that's one thing
05:01i think like the last time that i was on your podcast i really really heavily stressed how important
05:06it is that talent be protected um from a work safety perspective from a mental health perspective
05:12and all of that but like crew have just as many of the same problems they are just as open to
05:21being taken advantage of albeit in very different ways like the the types of advantage that's taken
05:27out is really from these more predatory company practices like and do i necessarily think that these
05:33uh corporations are sitting like these most of them are foreign entities that have never really stepped
05:38foot onto a porn set and i don't necessarily think that they're like sitting up in their offices going
05:43like oh how can we how can we fuck over yeah yeah these little men down here that are making our stuff
05:49um i think it's really just that that like invisible hand of the market that just moves towards whoever
05:57can get it done the cheapest the fastest the whatever and i mean it's all about capitalism
06:03yeah and if you can get the same product or a similar enough product for less money why wouldn't
06:10you do that you know that's how you become a successful business in the first place right
06:14you don't just throw money at people because you like want them to be happy right that's not like
06:20what makes a good business versus which is why i'm so shitty at it same i'm constantly overpaying like
06:27i make honest in all honesty i make like barely any money on my features because i always wind up
06:33like overpaying my crew because i'm just like i'm putting you through so much yeah to get this product
06:38i always go over food budget because i'm like it's been a really long day like of course we're gonna
06:43get you guys pizza and coffee like um you know what i mean like that's only fair and and like kill
06:49fees if things happen like i'm always like the one doing the kill fees and stuff like that like
06:54i'm just too uh tender-hearted on all of that stuff but like i don't know it's just it's so
07:00crazy to me too because porn is changing so much in the last like since i got in almost four years ago
07:08it's become like my joke is that porn is no longer punk rock like this is true everybody and their mama
07:15has a snapchat or an only fan yeah like literally everybody like there's there's mainstream celebrities
07:21now that have their own like little premiums of various sorts that's fascinating to me but then
07:28on top of it you know looking at it now with a little bit of a back-end eye all i see is how much
07:35subscription and dvd sales and all of the traditional metrics of like how traditional porn has made money
07:44is all diving like you can look back on these websites like you can go to any of like the big sites
07:49and they've got those view counters on them and you can see that like even just three four or five
07:54years ago it'd be like oh you know 22 000 views on this video i'm like okay well 22 000 views on a
08:00video with subscribers like you're looking at you know what that represents for what your
08:05subscribership was if you had 22 000 people looking at it and then now it's like 3 000 4 000 5 000
08:126 000 views and then you think about well like how many of those were the guys that bought like
08:17lifetime memberships for those bargain deals yeah yeah like you're not even probably netting a
08:24recurring income off a huge portion of these just like lifers that are watching so where are those
08:32people going to consume their pornography because it's not that anybody stopped beating off yeah that's
08:38for sure nobody stopped beating off in this time span yeah it's they've switched to the patreons
08:44they've switched to the only fans they've switched to snapchat and i think my big curiosity is
08:52everything changes like nothing will stay the same but like what does that mean i think it means um i think
09:01that especially now in the place that we are at and how disassociated we are from each other
09:07because of the you know advent of the internet and the proliferation of social media is that
09:12people are seeking connection like a personal connection you do not feel connected to people
09:17when you join a big you know multi-pass website and you see all these professionally shot scenes on
09:23your favorite girls you do not feel connected to them when you join their snapchat and they're like
09:28you know taking pictures of themselves in the bubble bath when they're in the car and they're like
09:33hey guys on my way to set streaming like that and they're responding to your dms
09:38that is a personal connection that you are not getting on those other sites and i think that we
09:43are becoming an increasingly more and more lonely culture absolutely and i think that that's that's
09:50that's what it is that's also why camming is such a big thing too i think that's a really astute
09:55observation because like the same things that you and i have just been complaining about for the last
09:59two days straight with regards to we literally have yeah we had a big we had a like like i love
10:06getting together with other directors because all we do is complain like it's just a one big bitch fest
10:12i love hanging out with you holly because like every time that i do like not that you are in any way
10:18like old enough to be a mom but like you've been doing this so long like there you have like a big
10:23maternal presence and i'm just like oh my god this is normal i'm feeling normal things i remember when
10:30you hit me up and you were like struggling to find a location and i was like girl i feel your pain
10:34you're like this happens to you too i'm like you have no idea that is so that meant so much to me that
10:40you took the time out of your day just to like do a little emotional labor for like a relative
10:44stranger i was like oh my god thank you thanks for being a shoulder
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