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00:00Hello and welcome to Grand Designs Deconstructed, with me, Greg James, and Kevin MacLeod.
00:19Hello.
00:19It's a revisit week.
00:21You love this, don't you? You love a revisit, Greg.
00:23Obviously, yes, because you get to re-watch a classic and then you get an up-to-date, is it real?
00:31Did they like it? Do they live in it? How they adapted to the house? And revisits, why do you love them?
00:38I love them because when we've seen a finished film, when you've seen a finished project,
00:43it doesn't matter whether it's nearly done or fully done, what you don't really get is the story of the next chapter of the adventure.
00:50And actually, the adventure can go on forever. Subsequent generations can live in a building, add their own chapter.
00:56But the moment where a building stops drawing energy and starts to give it back is sort of the moment when we leave.
01:04And I love the fact that buildings can change in personality. They can weather like people.
01:10For me, the two big exciting metrics of the revisit are trees, because at the finals, you know, you go along and there's like five trees in a round that are this big.
01:18And you go back, they're enormous great things, taller than the house.
01:22And the other thing is children. Oh, my goodness. Little squirts, tiny little things, little babies, you know,
01:29who were once kind of just paddling around, you know, and not part of any story we were telling, really.
01:36They're suddenly protagonists with their own lives who can tell their own story of growing up in a building.
01:41And that is, that's what they're about.
01:43Well, that's a huge part of this episode. And we're looking forward to catching up with Stuart and Rosie.
01:47And if you're new to the podcast slash vodcast, then welcome.
01:51It's a show where we talk about the episode that's just been on TV, but also dive into the deeper bits of the show,
01:57the bits we don't get to normally see, some of the behind the scenes elements of it.
02:00And I always like to start off with a question that's been on my mind for years.
02:04Now I get this privileged opportunity to chat to you about it.
02:08What's the most boring part of filming Grand Designs?
02:10I could say it's watching block work go up with cement mortar, because I've seen a lot of that.
02:19But it's not as interesting as watching it go up, then come down again,
02:22because people want to use it as a way of kind of quickly designing on the hoof.
02:24And even if somebody is building in block work, there's always the question about which blocks they're using,
02:29which switch, which size, are they laid side on up? What's the mortar mix?
02:33You know, there's always something, there's always a conversation to be had.
02:36So no, I am going to say that the most boring bit is when we're waiting for something to happen.
02:43There's a plane going over, or somebody's started using a leaf blower next door,
02:48or there's an ambulance or a police siren, or there's a million reasons why you have to stop filming and wait.
02:53The motto of filming, at least certainly for us on location, is hurry up and wait.
02:58Because you're just, literally, if you're recording underneath a flight path, say to Heathrow Airport,
03:04you've got sometimes, if you're lucky, 40 seconds, 45 seconds between planes.
03:08So you ask the question in that gap, and then you wait for the next plane to pass, which is two minutes,
03:13and then you do the next question.
03:15And there is that difficulty all the time of trying to deal with ambient noise, which you can't stop.
03:20We start, as we always do on Deconstructed, with a drinks pairing related to the area, or the build, or the people.
03:27Yeah.
03:27And today, Kevin...
03:29This is my favourite bit, by the way, Greg.
03:32I'm revisiting something from my childhood.
03:35Really?
03:36And I've gone for something which is simple and everyday and unassuming.
03:39It's ginger beer.
03:41Also, from my childhood, I used to make it as a kid.
03:44Oh, is that ginger beer?
03:46Yeah, not ginger beer.
03:49No, ginger, sugar, water, Demijohn, magic of fermentation, mildly alcoholic.
03:54Who's Demijohn?
03:55I went to school with Demijohn.
03:57Same with Douglas Fir.
03:59Well, he was in the same class, yeah.
04:00Yeah, same, yeah, yeah.
04:00Look, it's a simple, everyday ginger beer, but just like Stuart and Rosie,
04:06they plonked a new layer on top of their bungalow,
04:09I've plonked some vanilla ice cream to go with their cladding on top of the ginger beer.
04:13Nice!
04:14It's divisive for some, much like their construction.
04:17Is this what you call a float?
04:19It's a float, exactly that.
04:20That's a good term for their house,
04:22because it's got that floating semi-cantilever on the top, hasn't it?
04:26Am I supposed to use the straw?
04:27You can use the straw, you can scoop a bit of ice cream in.
04:31You just chug it.
04:32I did.
04:32Oh.
04:33It's all right.
04:34Imagine Kevin went around to your house and said,
04:36it's all right.
04:36Ned, look, the beginning of this film,
04:39the neighbour who objects to Stuart and Rosie's house,
04:43he says,
04:44it's going to look like a garden shed.
04:46This tastes a bit like a garden shed.
04:48I made it in a garden shed.
04:51We're both drinking it, I've noticed.
04:52Right, exactly, because it's a sweet treat.
04:55Let's talk about if you've quite finished.
04:57No.
04:58My straw's gone soggy.
05:02Are we throwing straws now?
05:04Well, if Kev does it, I'm doing it.
05:06Oh, hit the camera.
05:07Sorry.
05:08So, let's talk about the Wirral Peninsula.
05:12We're going to visit the house.
05:14We're going to chat to Stuart and Rosie a bit later on in this episode.
05:17And one of the reasons I think we love the revisits
05:19is because we're nosy,
05:21and we just want to see what's going on.
05:23How's the family?
05:24Have they sorted out all the rifts?
05:26Have they made up with the builders?
05:27Does it all look brilliant now?
05:29You're in this incredible position
05:31of getting to chart people's lives.
05:34I love your directness, Greg.
05:36I don't use the word nosy.
05:38I talk about what a privilege it is
05:40to share this adventure
05:42that we all imagine we could go on.
05:44And so we enjoy the adventure vicariously
05:46through the exploits of others.
05:49In other words, we're just being nosy.
05:50You're right.
05:51It's a much better word.
05:52Did you like the house when it was unfinished?
05:55Yeah, I kind of did.
05:55I mean, I made a sort of play that...
05:57But you were joking.
05:58You were unusually honest
06:01about some of the breeze block stuff.
06:03I loved re-watching that bit
06:05because you said, I'd paint it.
06:07Well, I dance between liking it and not.
06:10And I think the thing about that approach
06:12is that it can be quite willful in a way,
06:14and it can come to dominate.
06:16I mean, it's a building.
06:17It's a habitat.
06:18It's an environment.
06:19And in a way,
06:19the more we celebrate how we do it, the better.
06:22Whether I would paint it or not is irrelevant
06:24because that's just an expression of my taste.
06:26They wanted it bare and powerful.
06:29And that's the point,
06:30is that we should be always allowing for other people's taste.
06:32I've been dying to talk to you for years now
06:35about bungalow gobbling.
06:37I think it sounds slightly rude,
06:39or it could be your wrestler name,
06:41the bungalow gobbler.
06:42Mercifully neither, thanks.
06:44Is it real?
06:44Is it an industry term?
06:45Well, I don't know about industry.
06:47I met an architect around about 25, 30 years ago
06:50called Rod James.
06:51And we filmed one of his projects.
06:53He had an oak framing business,
06:54and they did lots of houses with oak frames.
06:56And in fact, Rod, I think, may have coined the term
06:59because he stuck a frame around an old bungalow
07:02and sort of hid the walls inside
07:04and kind of made a wider building
07:05using some of the original foundations.
07:07And that's sort of what it's come to mean, I think.
07:09The idea that you take a bungalow,
07:11you slice the roof off.
07:12First of all, the word bungalow.
07:14Had to look this up.
07:15It literally means in the Bengal style
07:19from that region of India,
07:20would be a single story with a satch roof on it,
07:23maybe a veranda all the way around.
07:24And adopted into the British language.
07:27Whenever I ask a builder what a bungalow is,
07:29they say, well, you just chuck up some walls
07:30and bungalow roof on it.
07:32Bingo.
07:33Where else are we going to be able to use that gag?
07:35The thing about bungalow gobbling
07:37is that the roof comes off.
07:39Sorry, you just caught me off guard
07:40by saying bungalow gobbling so seriously.
07:42The thing about bungalow gobbling, Greg, is...
07:44Yeah.
07:45Okay, the difficulty with bungalow gobbling.
07:47Well...
07:47I mean, the hard thing.
07:48The challenges of bungalow...
07:50Doing it all in one bite.
07:53It's very difficult.
07:53Bungalow gobbling.
07:57Stop saying it.
07:58Heaven's sakes.
08:00So, anybody wanting to gobble a bungalow...
08:02Anyway, the difficulty with bungalow gobbling is...
08:08So, the principle of bungalow gobbling
08:11is you take an existing bungalow,
08:12you slice the roof off,
08:14you use maybe some of the walls,
08:15you certainly use the foundations,
08:17and you try and build around it
08:18and you sort of encase it
08:19and essentially you're using a combination of foundations
08:22and some of the structure
08:23to just save yourself some money
08:25and importantly so you don't have to get into the ground,
08:28so you're always building out of the ground.
08:29It turns out that most bungalows
08:31are built on really pretty good foundations.
08:34Oh, good.
08:34And that when assessed,
08:35they can be reused and repurposed
08:37and given a new top story
08:39and there's some amazing examples around
08:40which you wouldn't recognise
08:41because you'd think there were contemporary fabulous pavilions
08:44with great big overarching and over-sailing cantilevers.
08:47So, like Stuart and Rosie's house.
08:49So, really it's a lot cheaper
08:52and more straightforward
08:53to build on what you already have
08:56instead of ripping everything out
08:57and starting with a dust bowl.
08:59Well, they do say that once you're out of the ground,
09:01you know how much money you're spending
09:03and until that point you have no idea
09:06because the groundwork's going to swallow up so much.
09:08And the other point is that, of course,
09:11you're using the embodied carbon
09:13that's in all of that concrete in situ in place.
09:16So, it's a really expedient way
09:18of taking the shell of an existing building
09:21which might be really low-performing
09:22and may have permission to build up another story
09:25which is what Rosie and Stuart did have
09:27and you extend and adapt
09:29and all the time you're saving money,
09:31you're a little bit more secure
09:32and the knowledge of what you're spending
09:33and you're saving carbon.
09:35There's lots of really impressive things
09:36about this entire family
09:38but Stuart and Rosie managed to double their living space
09:41and do it for £175,000.
09:44How is that doable?
09:45I don't know.
09:46I mean, I really don't know
09:48because these days, post-COVID,
09:51you certainly couldn't do it for that.
09:53Not least because materials have gone up
09:56so much in the past five years.
09:58At the time they were building,
10:00things were a bit cheaper
10:01and rather neatly,
10:03what they did was rather than extend the building
10:06in every direction,
10:06they used the foundations of what the bungalow had
10:08and then pushed a cantilever out
10:11at first floor level
10:12which only required one strut on some foundations
10:16but just in one place.
10:17So, that was really expedient.
10:19Yeah, I just think they're also,
10:20they're makers and they're doers
10:21and they're shakers
10:22and they had the kit and the tools
10:24and they had the business working in timber already.
10:26So, for them, it was a big extension
10:28of what they were doing already.
10:29It was a big idea
10:30that grew out of their own skill sets.
10:32I want to ask you about
10:33the difference between industrial
10:35and unfinished.
10:38Fine line.
10:39They're not the same thing, right?
10:42So, in an industrial setting,
10:44you might expect to find
10:46all of your electrical conduits
10:48in one-inch galvanised pipe
10:52with massive great throw switches
10:55and you'd be spending a fortune
10:56on your second fix, wouldn't you?
10:57Do you know what I mean?
10:58Whereas electricians domestically
11:00use plastic rectangular conduit
11:02that looks crap
11:03and you don't want to see on show.
11:05And actually, sometimes the industrial finish,
11:07which is much more robust,
11:08can be much more expensive.
11:09I wasn't sure about the use of scaffolding
11:12and then I was at the end.
11:14I liked it.
11:15What I find really interesting
11:16is that the kitchen,
11:17which at the end of the first film
11:19when it was finished,
11:20the kitchen was done
11:21and it was done very well
11:22with scaffolding,
11:23with galvanised stuff
11:24and lengths of beautiful plywood
11:26which they'd shaped in their workshop.
11:28Super cheap, super accessible
11:30and I thought, going back,
11:32we've just stood the test of time.
11:34It's still there and it looks great.
11:35So, I'd say, yeah,
11:37I think the table and the benches around it
11:40are still scaffolding.
11:42That is, again, a mark of the success of it
11:45that nothing stands out
11:47and looks too willful.
11:48It just looks great in the space
11:50and you accept it and think...
11:51It does.
11:51I like it.
11:52It's playful.
11:53Yeah.
11:53Having your kitchen table
11:55on huge industrial wheels
11:56is quite fun.
11:57And who wouldn't fancy the idea
11:59of building a kitchen for two grand?
12:01I think we need a break.
12:02Yeah.
12:02And also, we're going to speak
12:04to Stuart and Rosie
12:04in the next bit of Deconstructed.
12:06So, give me something.
12:07As we've been doing all series,
12:09give me a Kevin McLeod
12:10way into the ad break, please.
12:12Okay.
12:13Rosie and Stuart have run out of money.
12:15Rosie and Stuart have run out of money.
12:17The scaffolding is down from the building
12:18and it looks magnificent.
12:20The scaffolding is down from the building
12:22and it looks magnificent.
12:23So, why is the house still full of scaffolding?
12:25So, why is the house still full of scaffolding?
12:29We'll see you after the break.
12:30Welcome back to Grand Designs Deconstructed
12:41with me, Greg James,
12:42and Kevin McLeod
12:44as we revisit the Wirral.
12:47And Stuart and Rosie,
12:48they're ready to go.
12:49Shall we get them on the laptop?
12:50Oh, yeah, let's get them on the machine.
12:52Bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop.
12:54Stuart, Rosie, hello.
12:56Hello.
12:56Hello.
12:57Hello, both of you.
12:58How are you?
12:58I'm very well.
12:59Now, I'm really pleased
13:00that you're in the room
13:02that I can see here
13:03because it was immediately
13:05the best bit for me
13:06because it's got the collection of music
13:08and it's got all the old hi-fi equipment.
13:10This is a collection of vintage hi-fi
13:12that has come from,
13:14unfortunately, we lost our parents,
13:17three of our four parents,
13:18fairly recently, the last couple of years.
13:19And this is some of my dad's,
13:20some of Rosie's dad's,
13:21some of mine,
13:23and some I've bought
13:23just to, you know, pad it out a little bit.
13:25So, one day,
13:26I'm going to sit down
13:27and connect it all up
13:28and start listening.
13:29It looks lovely
13:30and it's a lovely load of heirlooms to have.
13:32Yeah, so is this space up top?
13:34Is this your go-to snug,
13:36the adult space?
13:37The Precious Things room.
13:39It's known as,
13:39these are all the precious things
13:41that have come into the house, you see.
13:43Yeah, I've tried getting the kids interested in,
13:45you know, all this technology
13:46and they're interested for a few minutes
13:48but they don't really want to sit down
13:50and actually listen to records or cassettes,
13:52let alone reel-to-reel recordings
13:53from, you know, the 1970s.
13:55So, yes, they tend to go down
13:57to where the technology is more modern.
13:59Is that your favourite room to go to?
14:01Is this the go-to relaxation area?
14:03In the winter,
14:04this room is slightly better
14:05because it's slightly warmer
14:06than the downstairs room
14:07so we tend to kind of be up here in the winter.
14:10It's a bit cosier.
14:11The music stuff is kind of relatively new
14:13but I think that'll help us this winter
14:14because the downstairs room
14:16hasn't even got any curtains
14:17so it's a bit bleak down there in midwinter.
14:20It didn't seem bleak when I was there.
14:23Bleak.
14:23So here's the thing, right?
14:24Most of us go through life acquiring stuff.
14:26Some of us might decide
14:27we just want to buy everything.
14:28You suddenly inherit all this stuff
14:31from your folks, right?
14:32Does it sometimes feel
14:34as though you're acquiring,
14:36building,
14:37there's more volume,
14:37there's more stuff to look after,
14:38there's more possessions in your world
14:40than you might feel comfortable with
14:42or are you settling into that comfortably?
14:45It is a danger
14:46that you start making space
14:49to put the stuff
14:50rather than worrying about
14:51whether you want the stuff at all.
14:53My main problem is hoarding building materials,
14:56lengths of wood,
14:57bits of pipe,
14:58boxes full of old brackets
14:59I've taken out of things,
15:01you know,
15:01screws I've taken out of things
15:02and I've had to be really ruthless about that
15:04because as the house has become finished,
15:06all my storage areas disappear
15:07and I've now got
15:09sort of a nice big metal shed in the garden
15:10which is rammed
15:11and I'm not having anyone touch that
15:13so that's set,
15:14you know?
15:15It's full,
15:15it's fine.
15:17Everything's staying exactly where it is
15:18and I've had to give up
15:19all my little nooks and crannies in the house
15:21and I understand why I've had to do that.
15:24Poor boy.
15:25It's been painful.
15:25Poor boy.
15:26This isn't any weird past that now.
15:27This is not scratching an itch.
15:28This is all about rubbing salt.
15:31But I'm very aware that,
15:32you know,
15:32I can't just keep accepting interesting things
15:34the way I used to.
15:35Rosie,
15:36can we have your take on that?
15:37Whatever Stu says,
15:38yeah.
15:40No,
15:41he's been very good.
15:42He has been very good
15:43and there are worse things
15:44that a boy can do
15:45than hoard building materials.
15:46Yeah.
15:47I think.
15:49Well,
15:49eventually it comes good
15:50and the last bathroom I fitted
15:52was Molly's bathroom upstairs
15:53and I actually had
15:54every single thing I needed
15:56in stock when I started that room.
15:58I had grout,
15:59I had adhesive,
16:00I had bits of wood for this,
16:01for the frame,
16:02for brackets,
16:02I had half a tin of paint left over,
16:04which was just enough.
16:05It was a real triumphant moment.
16:07Oh,
16:07I love that,
16:08that you made it out of stuff you'd saved,
16:10which validates your argument.
16:12But that's the great thing
16:13about this build
16:13is that you made the most
16:15of all the things
16:15that you already had.
16:17Yeah.
16:17That initially caused
16:18a little bit of consternation
16:20from some of the locals,
16:21but it looks beautiful,
16:22it looks brilliant.
16:23Has the reaction been good locally?
16:25People are looking at it as like,
16:26oh my God,
16:26it's the Grand Designs house,
16:27surely.
16:29Well,
16:29we look exactly the same
16:30as we did nine years ago,
16:31so people are very bored
16:32with us now.
16:33I think a lot of it was
16:34that people just didn't understand
16:35what we were doing.
16:36They thought we were building an office
16:37or we were building up two stories
16:39and then we were going to put
16:40a pitch roof on
16:41and the whole thing
16:41was going to be huge.
16:43And, you know,
16:44I think once they realised
16:45that it was actually
16:45just a modern looking house,
16:46but it wasn't ridiculously big
16:48or anything,
16:49everyone calmed down.
16:50And it was like,
16:50okay, well,
16:51fine, carry on.
16:53We're talking about your kids,
16:55Ben and Molly,
16:56and one of the things
16:57that I keep saying to Kevin
16:58about this show
16:59and why it's so magnificent
17:01as a bit of TV
17:02is because it's been going
17:04for so long,
17:04you've got this amazing time capsule
17:05and you can look back
17:07at how builds happened,
17:08but also how families have developed
17:10and it must be really nice for you
17:11to have record of Ben and Molly
17:14when they were little
17:14and you can show them those bits
17:16and I'm sure they've watched it back
17:17and cringed at certain things,
17:19but it's sort of a lovely part
17:20of your family history as well,
17:21isn't it,
17:21that's been documented?
17:22It is.
17:23It's really interesting
17:23because when we agreed
17:24to do the show
17:25and Kevin's first visit,
17:26we hadn't at that point decided
17:27if we were going to include the kids
17:29because they were quite little
17:30and we were a bit like,
17:31not sure how they'd feel about it.
17:33And it was Kevin
17:34who actually said,
17:35entirely up to you guys
17:36if you want to or not,
17:37but it will be the most expensive
17:38home movie you ever get made
17:40and if you don't include them,
17:41you might look back
17:42and regret it.
17:43You're so wise, Kevin,
17:44because it is exactly that.
17:46It's a lovely record of it.
17:48It was just a manipulative con.
17:50I'm aware of that too, yes.
17:52I'm aware of that.
17:53But you did it so nicely.
17:54Well, I really liked the bit
17:55in the original episode
17:57where you were making the children
17:59lay the underfloor heating.
18:02They were quite uncomfortable
18:03to click down into the trays
18:04of that particular system
18:05we were using,
18:06you know,
18:06and it hurts your hands
18:07after a while and your feet.
18:08So you tell the children
18:09it's a wonderful game,
18:11round they scamper
18:11and, you know,
18:13jobs are good.
18:13Who can do it the fastest, kids?
18:16We talk about the passage of time,
18:17but actually one of the big things
18:19about your episode
18:20and then the revisit
18:21is that it did take you a long time,
18:24but you were comfortable with that.
18:25But also financially,
18:27you had to take that amount of time.
18:29But would you have wanted
18:29to have rushed
18:30because it felt like
18:31it all happened for a reason,
18:33you know,
18:34then the kids got involved
18:35because they grew up
18:36around this build as well.
18:37So maybe it all
18:38was supposed to work out as it did.
18:40We definitely didn't have the budget
18:41at the start
18:42to do the complete job.
18:42We knew that.
18:43We'd done a couple
18:44of planning permissions.
18:45We've got a couple of schemes
18:46sort of planned out,
18:47but we realised
18:48that what we needed to do
18:49was create the maximum volume
18:51we could
18:51that gave us all the space
18:53we would eventually want.
18:54And we built the shell
18:55as well as we could
18:56and we got it looking good
18:57from the outside
18:58all clad, rendered,
18:59nice windows.
19:01And then we thought
19:01the inside can just happen
19:02as and when,
19:03you know,
19:03we're not in any burning hurry.
19:04It can take some time
19:06and, you know,
19:06it'll take a couple of years
19:07maybe we thought
19:08and then we'd all become good.
19:10But nine years has gone by
19:12and it's spread out
19:13a little bit longer
19:14than we expected.
19:16Yeah, but a lot of life
19:17happens as well,
19:18doesn't it?
19:18And as well as the finances
19:20meant that we couldn't do it.
19:21My dad was really poorly.
19:23He had motor neurone disease.
19:24We decided
19:24we were going to pause everything
19:25to help look after him.
19:26And, you know,
19:27that's a decision
19:27that we don't regret
19:29because you don't get
19:29that time back.
19:30And Sue's mum was poorly
19:32and she had a stroke.
19:33She came to live with us
19:33for six months.
19:34So again,
19:34that pauses it.
19:36But you kind of keep going,
19:37don't you?
19:37You keep going at the pace
19:38that suits the family
19:39and suits everything else
19:40that's going on
19:41and you try not
19:41kill yourselves
19:43in the meantime
19:43and have a bit
19:44of a laugh with it.
19:45And I think
19:45if we'd gone hell for leather,
19:47if we'd found a way
19:47to raise the money
19:48to do it,
19:49it would have been
19:50a lot more stressful,
19:51wouldn't it, really,
19:52to try and knock it out.
19:53You gobbled that bungalow good
19:55and you did it beautifully.
19:57Yeah.
19:58It hasn't repeated.
20:00There's no bungalow burps.
20:03No indigestion.
20:06Well, Stuart, Rosie,
20:08I think we should leave it there
20:09and let you get back
20:10to your wonderful house.
20:11And thank you so much
20:11for your time.
20:12And I hope you have
20:13many, many, many happy years
20:15in it.
20:15It's a really great place.
20:16Hey,
20:16and it was great
20:17to see you again.
20:18Absolutely lifted my spirits.
20:20We had such a good time.
20:22See you soon.
20:23Bye.
20:24Bye.
20:24Oh, so nice.
20:26So nice.
20:27I mean, you know,
20:27their personality
20:28is all over that building.
20:29The family's personality
20:31is all over the building,
20:32which is what I love.
20:33I love chatting
20:33to Stuart and Rosie.
20:34Really nice.
20:35And we're running out of time
20:36on Deconstructed.
20:37We have a few questions
20:38for you, though,
20:39before we go.
20:39Oh, love those.
20:40Gemma says,
20:42I don't know anything
20:42about building,
20:43but what three technical words
20:45can I use
20:45when my builder next comes around
20:47to try and impress them?
20:48Oh, Gemma,
20:48that's such a good question,
20:51isn't it?
20:51Yeah.
20:52Here's a word
20:52you shouldn't use, Gemma,
20:54and it's breeze block.
20:56Breeze is a material
20:57that comes out
20:57of coal-fired power stations.
20:58Oh.
20:59Right?
20:59Concrete blocks
21:00is what they are.
21:01Also available
21:01in different weights,
21:03as in different densities
21:05to support different loads,
21:07right?
21:07So the best three words
21:09I can think of
21:11is actually one phrase,
21:12and it's a seven-Newton block.
21:14If all you say
21:15to your builder is,
21:16oh, I see that lintel
21:17running there,
21:18what's supporting that?
21:18Is that a seven-Newton block
21:19construction you've got?
21:21You're in.
21:22One final question
21:22from Amy.
21:24She says,
21:25what do you do
21:26when you're in a remote location?
21:28Do you bring your own sandwiches?
21:30I'm imagining Paddington.
21:33Yeah, our bless.
21:34But do you bring your own food?
21:35You've got a little pat lunchbox.
21:36Well, obviously,
21:36my favourite locations
21:37and projects
21:38are those with the best local pub.
21:40That's a really important thing
21:41where you can get
21:41the best possible nourishment we can
21:43wherever we are,
21:45although we don't have
21:45a catering unit or chefs.
21:47Actually,
21:48the person who's been running the show
21:49and coordinating everything
21:51for the past 20 years
21:52is called Amy,
21:54and I'm just beginning to think
21:55that this is her bid
21:56to try and reduce costs.
21:58All the questions
21:59have been from Amy.
22:00There are no listeners.
22:00The question is implying
22:02that we won't be going
22:03to the pub anymore
22:04and we'll have to bring
22:04our own sandwiches.
22:05I think so.
22:06And one more from me.
22:08Do you have a go-to snack?
22:10What are you snacking between takes?
22:11What's inside your jacket pocket?
22:13Yeah, sometimes I might do
22:14a little bit of a vegan protein bar
22:15or currently,
22:16the thing I like most, right,
22:17really high protein
22:18plus a little bit of carbohydrate,
22:20chocolate-covered dried peas.
22:24You're an enigma, Kevin McLeod.
22:25You have got to try them.
22:27I will.
22:28They're super moorish.
22:29I will.
22:29So much so that I've eaten
22:31my daily supply today.
22:32I can't offer you any.
22:33Well, whatever you're doing,
22:34it's working.
22:35Kevin, thank you for your time.
22:36Thank you for your insight
22:37and thank you for bringing
22:38that brilliant project
22:39back into our lives
22:40because it was a fantastic Revisited.
22:42Thanks again to Rosie and to Stuart
22:44and we'll be back next week
22:45with another Grand Designs Deconstructed
22:48and it's another Revisited.
22:50We'll see you then.
22:51Well, next week is the very last episode
22:53of Grand Designs in the current series.
22:55Another Revisited, as Greg says.
22:57It's going to be followed
22:58by Deconstructed once again
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