Gudrun Moore on Her Father’s Forced Service in Hitler’s Army - Healing the wounds - video Dailymotion

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Amazon link: https://a.co/d/17GR4QU 00:00 Introduction 01:28 Family Revelations 04:05 Facing the Truth 12:17 Personal Responsibility 20:01 Remembrance Lessons 24:41 Global Reflections 26:10 Final Thoughts The book recounts the lives of two families during the first half of the twentieth century. August, a cooper, spent WWI in Flanders carting the dead and wounded by horse-drawn wagon to the field hospital. Son Gustel joined the SS at the age of twenty, saw his first action at the invasion of Poland in 1939, was deployed in an Einsatzkommando unit to Ukraine, was Gestapo officer in the Reich and Greece. After 1945 he spent three years as American POW. In 1965 he was called to stand trial in the Einsatzgruppen Processes. Gustel is the father of the author. School teacher Herbert's son Manfred joined the Waffen SS at eighteen, saw his first action in Dieppe, captured by Russians spent five years in the Gulags of Siberia before escaping. Daughter Erika fled from the Russians in a trek of women and children and was one of the few to make it to the West. Daughter Irmgard and her two little girls, evicted by the French, spent weeks on the road before reaching her in-laws home. Both families survived and were over the following years able to rebuild their lives  https://podopshost.com/yayadiamond   ⚡ VidChapter AI generated these chapters, try it out https://vidchapter.com/?affiliate=yayadiamond Recommended podcast platform get 10% off: https://podopshost.com/register/?ref=yaya   Tools and Services I use: Appsumo has the best lifetime deals ever!!! I love this site.  appsumo.8odi.net/yayadiamond The easiest way to make your graphics: https://buff.ly/2RTQLn0 Best website for musicians. Try it for free on me: https://buff.ly/2GMYugG Make money with Fiverr.com: https://buff.ly/2KjTVvV   Our Amazon store: https://buff.ly/34RYNlm DISCLAIMER: Links included in this description might be affiliate links. If you purchase a product or service with the links that I provide I may receive a small commission. My affiliate links usually provide either a free trial or discount so go try them out on me! Thank you for supporting DreamChasersRadio.com  so I can continue to provide you with free content each week! Privacy Policy: https://buff.ly/2XSrflS ™Yaya Diamond Red Hot Reality Ent. LLC

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00:00be very good i'm really trying to be very good i don't know if i'm succeeding in being very good

00:17but the show is very good what's up guys this is dr yaya diamond i got my doctor degree last year

00:22so dr yaya diamond as you can see behind me i have my doctor degree and i have to start saying

00:26that because people are mad at me so i have to do that but i have an amazing guest on the show today

00:33and i want to welcome her he has a book out and we're going to go ahead and share that book really

00:37quick because i want you to see that book before we get started it is called a duty of remembrance

00:44and it's by miss moore i am not going to try and hear her first name i am not going to do her the

00:50dishonor okay so welcome welcome welcome to the show how do you pronounce your first name i appreciate

00:56that it's a good run my husband always said sometimes he said a good run for your money

01:01well i wrote a torture debt so i'm glad i said this more welcome to the show thank you so much

01:07for joining us okay thank you so you have a book that i always ask this question because a lot of

01:14people are saying i don't know if i can write a book or i may not be smart enough to write a book

01:20i mean when did you know you were going to do this i have to tell a story okay go right ahead

01:27tell your story see i was born in germany and american englishman canadian came to canada i was

01:35born in 39 so many years between that and in 1965 i was in the university in edmonton alberta

01:42i go and read time magazine and there is a story in of my father and the horrible things he did

01:53in an einsatzkommando in the ukraine in 1941 and i'm still moved by it and i had no idea

02:01i knew that my father was ss i knew that my father was in the war but that's all i knew when i read the

02:09article i saw it and this is honest to goodness the truth i'm going to go to the high level bridge

02:15in edmonton there was a bridge high high high above the river and i'm going to kill myself i was just

02:2225 years old we do these things i was shattered so i go to the bridge luckily i'm very scared of heights

02:29and i'm still can see myself leaning on the sink and all of a sudden gertrude stein's

02:34saying comes in my head a rose is a rose is a rose in other words what is is it's always the same

02:43you can't change anything and i stopped and i walked back and life began again a few days later

02:51i got a letter from my mother in germany telling me that they had come and taken my father to prison

02:58he is now up for trials for what he had done in the ukraine and that was in 1965

03:061996 i finally life happens in between many things happen many many stories

03:131996 my father had gone through the trials he was sentenced to eight and a half years in prison he was

03:21in prison from 1965 to 70 and then again from 73 to 76 then he visited afterwards and visited us every

03:29two years in canada i was a teacher my husband was a teacher we were also farmers

03:3496 we had retired and somehow we ended up in germany and that's the first time i talked to my father

03:44about the past before that i never did he said i will tell you my story and every night i still

03:51every day i still can see it my husband and myself we went up into the attic where his room was

03:55and we had i have 12 tape cassettes from the talking they are now in the holocaust museum in

04:03the states and that's the story it took me quite a long time to write it but that's what it is my father

04:11died in 1999 and the reason why the book is of course i wanted to know why why has this man who i

04:19knew as the most honest decent person who had absolutely no prejudice against anyone whatever

04:27color you wear whatever race you wear whatever religion he saw what was in you and he dealt with

04:32it he had never done anything bad why has did he do what he did shooting people and i remember very

04:41often when we sat there my husband i'm listening to his tape we were just sitting there crying and

04:47there's nothing harder than seeing an old 84 year old man tears running down his face so it was the

04:53truth and i know my dad told the truth even the judge when he sentenced him he said yeah yeah he did

05:00speak that after all the prison time was over my mother said like i said i never talk about any of

05:05these things at home afterwards my mother said i guess in many ways maybe he felt he had paid off

05:11some quit he had no more nightmares but my father reason why i i mean i wrote in the book too i do not

05:19understand why he did what he did but then again i didn't walk in his shoes i was not military i was

05:26brought up rather military you do as you're told so i remember and of course my father in that generation

05:33he was brought up you absolutely do as you're told and of course in the military you do as you're

05:38told you say yes sir it's very hard but he was a decent guy he was honest he was funny he was all

05:46the good things in life but and you know the way i was brought up if i did anything bad i mean after

05:52the war i experienced fires and burning in room and i was on as a refugee on the street and i experienced

05:59hunger and i experienced so many things it's hard but i was brought up my mother said don't do

06:05anything bad you are the daughter of an ss officer don't like don't steal i was brought up with the

06:11idea that an ss officer is absolutely on the top of how to behave how to be decent how to be honest

06:18that's how i was brought up and when i was 17 i was in boarding school our english teacher

06:25talked about the ss and i heard for the first time that was when i was 17 in boarding school

06:31heard for the first time some of the atrocities they had done which happened in that time of the

06:37ukraine incident of the jewish people and all that and i couldn't believe it so when i went home

06:42on holidays to talk to my parents i said this to my father my teacher said you're murderous

06:47and my father just about threw me out of my house he took my mother to sort of real sensing

06:52i apologize that i was said there are incorrect things and from the age of 17 on i never ever

06:59spoke to my parents about the past until 1996 when he talked so and i wanted to find out why did this

07:08decent honest good man who everybody liked why did he do what he was told to do could it be that he was

07:17in jeopardy of himself leaving his own family well the thing was if you're a soldier and you don't do

07:24as you're told this is like treason and and it happened sometimes it didn't happen as often but

07:30he was just absolutely brought up i mean i know from his tapes when he talks about his father

07:35in those days if you didn't do as you were told you were beaten and you were beaten hard and the same

07:40happened in school and so he was brought up this way he joined the SS when he was in his 20s

07:45full of idealism for a better germany in germany in those days in the 20s late 20s

07:51people died of starvation even in berlin reed gablin's berlin alexanderplatz there was no work there were a few

07:59people they were very very rich and about the majority of people had nothing there was no work there was no

08:06and then of course hitler came and i'm definitely not for hitler but i can see that he told the

08:12people i will have work for you i will have medicare i will have good education and of course

08:19that's why the people voted for him that's why he joined the SS in the beginning SS was

08:24totally voluntary he didn't get paid but he was for i don't know that's a german word order

08:29be do what the law says and do as you're told and have a decent life for everybody because that's

08:36all you want it's for everyone decent life for your family for your children health care good education

08:42and that's what he was did not the gestapo voluntarily he became a border police a policeman

08:50on the border between austria and germany but then the gestapo took over the border police so he

08:56became a stabber he didn't really like that but of course you do as you're told you do and of course

09:02the book in there is not just of my father it's of my uncle manfred too he became a bear he joined

09:09the wehrmacht when he was 18 he was in dieppe 1942 when he was 19 years old in st kursk a big

09:17battle in russia with the council and he was captured by the russians when he was in his 20s early 20s

09:25he escaped from the russians from siberia and from all sorts of prisons so often it's absolutely

09:31fantastic his stories and he was in the last he was even in lubyanka in moscow his stories are

09:38absolutely fantastic and he was in the last train 28th of december 1949 the last train to bring german

09:45prisoners of war back to germany his stories are really fantastic my aunt erica the sister of my mother

09:53when the russians came in 45 they were dreaded there was nothing but rape and murder and horrible

10:00horrible atrocities going on she was in a track with 14 women four women and 14 children and she was one

10:07of the few that survived by foot they were fleeing away from the russians to the west she was one of

10:12the few to survive and she eventually funny story in 1948 she did marry an american uncle charles

10:20and she visited us in canada a few times so i have her takes too and i have only you know right now

10:27they are not very popular but i have only good things to say i survived because of the americans

10:32in 1985 my mom well ended up cooking for an american who was working in a factory and he didn't like

10:41leftovers so he said take the leftovers and bring them home to your children we had food to eat

10:45my dad was prison of war for the americans and he ended up in the last years to be working in a

10:51kitchen it's not a good thing you always have something to eat and he also he was very good

10:56with his hands so in his prison of war in west germany of course managed to build a table and chairs and

11:04some kind of a couch and these wonderful americans enabled him they carried they drove his furniture

11:11and himself in their trucks to the little hut where my mother and me too my sister and myself were

11:19living it was a hut which was originally built for the polish prisoners of war who were working so there

11:24was nothing we slept on straw bags and had nothing but he the americans brought the furniture to this

11:31house i've never forgotten that so he was released from prison of america camp so that is amazing

11:38i mean okay so your life began anew the moment that you decided you were afraid of height but you

11:46had to do something well that was it was 1965 and of course i had a life since then i was in university

11:53in germany and when i for five and a half years already and when i came here i was in medicine

11:58and they didn't accept anything so it ended up being a biology chemistry high school teacher

12:03because it fits you've got the science background so okay i have to say this i think a lot of people

12:11have gone through certain things in history like black people have gone through slavery and the slave

12:16trade the jews have gone through persecution the germans too have had their times as well and i know

12:23a lot of people have had their times i mean but the biggest thing i think is we're not of some total of

12:30total of all of the people that are considered germans or considered american or considered blacks you

12:39know what i mean individuals i certainly know from right now i've taken something that our good

12:45meister goethe the old said i'm a citizen of the world and to have a canadian passport but other than

12:53that i'm citizen of the world and all i know what you're talking about because you can't group

12:58everybody together definitely you know americans are bad or germans are bad or you know you can't

13:04say that because i i know people that don't even want to be involved with certain things they're

13:10trying to run away from it because they were never they were never in their heart going to do certain

13:16things like that but like you said maybe he was maybe he had no choice maybe he was hoping that

13:22people go get involved and i don't understand war i don't understand to this day where 2021 we're

13:28still acting like eight men you want something you call people and i cannot cannot understand it and i

13:34wanted to understand why i can understand why people become nazis my mother was an ardent nazi like i

13:41said you were brought up you're the child of an ass officer above everybody else you know my father

13:47wasn't like that but my mother and i must give her credit for that she was one tough lady she always

13:53said if somebody tells you what to do and you don't agree with it don't do it now maybe she had easy

14:00talking but i've always done what i wanted i thought is right so and you're right this world today

14:08what is going on don't understand it can do can be not i mean basically what you know plato 4 000

14:18years ago what does he say who goes into politics greedy for power greedy for money it's i'm sorry to

14:25say it's a lot of it is true because what basically what most people want what do we want we want to

14:31have a good life a healthy family we don't want war you know own a little bit something have a good job

14:37basically you know and have some good times yeah definitely basically simple you're simple

14:43actually and i don't understand yeah i want food on the table i want to move over my head i mean

14:48you know the basic things in life and i don't want to hurt people and i don't want people to be hurt

14:52exactly like when we were in canada we even we were both teachers and we both homesteaded up in

14:58northern alberta so i used to live for 10 years without running water and to do rock picking i seeded a

15:04thousand acres so i did work and that's what most people want yeah it's just a decent life look after

15:10yourself and your children that's it i think you know and a lot of people who disagree with me

15:16you're saying that your father was a great person was an honest person and that he loves his family

15:23that he was very funny there was another side that no one's going to know about that we're never

15:29going to understand but me personally i understand the pressure of saying okay if you don't do this

15:38i'm going to take away the very thing that you love and maybe that was the one thing and the one reason

15:44that he did what he did i know he always said he avoided whatever he did have in the army even he did

15:50have a motorbike and he always said whenever he could he volunteered to be a messenger so he didn't

15:56have to do what he what he was supposed to do that's what i think i think he was protecting you

16:01it was he was protecting his family one story where he's this is really the saddest of all when he was

16:08supposed to shoot 100 more than 100 jewish children little children and their parents had been shot

16:15and they were all collected in that field and he said my dad's company they were all young 17 18 year

16:22old boys and he said i cannot my men do that they cannot i cannot allow them to shoot it it would be

16:28on their conscience forever let the local ukrainian soldiers shoot them and somebody else i guess

16:34agreed with that and so his boys didn't have to shoot them and the local ukrainian soldiers came

16:39and they shot them and that's before this happened and that's in the story book too and many people have

16:45told me about that there was a little girl that came to him i took his hand and i guess started

16:50talking to him and i guess he just about broke down because he was the same age i was at the time and

16:56so and he was only 29 years old at that time can you imagine standing there shooting 100 children

17:03and they were all dead after i mean and i remember my dad when he told us the story he could barely

17:11speak and that was when he was 85 84 years old in tears yeah you know my great-grandmother

17:19it was it yeah i think it was my great-grandmother her name was nelly woodsefeld she was jewish

17:27and when she was a little girl she went she lived there she never talked about the tattoo on her arm

17:34i've never seen it yes but you know she was saved by a castrated black slaves and there were black

17:42slaves that were trying to get out and i'm only here because of that because if she would have died

17:48i wouldn't be here so i don't know jewish thing anyhow i have a lot of jewish friends in fact i was

17:55even engaged to one once he was to come with my parents it was nothing it i just don't understand

18:01it i don't get it either i don't miss you i mean what i just she was very funny though she would

18:07always tell me because she was white she would say girl if you don't believe yourself i'm gonna

18:11smack the black off you i said is that why you turn white grandma she said yeah and every time

18:16she would turn around i would hear a snicker like you know what i mean she would just laugh

18:20she had a very good sense of humor but she never talked about that never i didn't know

18:30what that was you know like that older and then history of course was taught to me in school that's

18:36how i found out and that's how i found out about the numbers and i was like oh my gosh that is

18:42absolutely crazy i mean he didn't want to do i don't think he wanted to do that i remember one

18:48day in munich when i was studying i was in the park there was two old ladies having coffee and they had

18:53the tattoo on their arms too and i know we talked and it's about ended up um arming me because i was

19:00just so shocked i don't get it i don't get all any of that i don't i appreciate that you wrote this

19:06down because people need to know that a lot of times what you see is not really what you're

19:13seeing everything has a everything has a consequence and oh my gosh it's based on something else you know

19:20we all have a past and our parents have a past yeah and it's just hard for me to think that your

19:29father was forced yeah he was he was forced because obviously he did not want to do this

19:36imagine this force phantom force and they probably would have killed you and the entire family

19:42if he didn't do it and the thing the title of my book i'm just talking i'm looking at it right now

19:48i actually stole the title from salman rushdie in one of his books and i can't remember which one

19:53was the term the duty of remembrance when i changed the first word so it wouldn't be called

19:59okay i'm also saying i mean i'm a teacher and i did teach a lot of history we must know the past

20:05otherwise it will repeat itself it will you know and they're trying to wipe that out of the schools

20:13now which is ridiculous don't get me talking about the modern school right i'm glad that my

20:20grandchildren are being taught at home your home school my kids are home through mostly mostly all

20:25the way through school my people oh my god we don't teach them anymore if it's not true don't say it if

20:31it's not sweet don't do it i mean these are all greek things they weren't for heaven's sakes

20:35i know i know i feel for your father i feel for you that you had to kind of endure the oh my god why

20:46i think if you think about it the why was you the why was your mother the why was your family

20:55and his very own life that he was looking at and he really didn't have a choice

21:01either he died and everyone and everyone died in his family because he would have come after you

21:08or he did what he did to survive and to keep you guys alive it was a bad choice either which way he did

21:15whatever he decided it would there was no good choice the good choices is what you got to live

21:22your life oh my goodness yes and what a wonderful life i've had here in canada i mean i came here in

21:2864 and yeah that's his homesteading and everything he was fantastic and that's probably what he was

21:35writing two books about that too we've written two books about that too like our memoirs like he has

21:42an interesting life too so my goodness but you know that's what i'm thinking and you know thank

21:47goodness that he did because we wouldn't be speaking here today to talk about someone who probably like

21:53i said was forced to do and you give you give people the different outlook on not everybody was in on this

22:03even if they were in on it psychologically so damaged maybe we can learn eventually i'm not sure

22:11doesn't look like it very often you know you can't pull people together because not everybody's of the

22:17same mind and then that's perfectly fine you know we're all different but in many things i think we

22:23can you know i always i know i had a bed and breakfast here for many years when we were in time

22:28and i had a lot of ministers in my bed and breakfast and i always said to them you know we

22:33have i'm not a christian but we have the 10 commandments and one of them says thou shalt not

22:38kill you still do and i understand it i don't understand it you still do yeah we do we do and

22:47unfortunately it's not in self-defense which is terrible i agree with you on that one yes that is deep

22:55and when you said that you went to a i'm happy that you didn't succeed well so am i often afterwards

23:00thank you gertrude stein i remember this after so many years but it just engraved in me i guess

23:09well i mean i'm glad you didn't i'm glad that you're here talking about it because people need to know

23:14the history of this and this was deep is there anything that we meant today that you would like to

23:19saying no i thank you for the interview thank you for oh that was deep that hit me real hard

23:27you know because i just imagined my grandmother like my great-grandmother excuse me my great-grandmother

23:32being in that seeing this and she saw it can you imagine no i don't want to i don't want to know

23:40what she went through to go out of there and not everybody that was that came in with her came out

23:46no wars and i don't understand it i mean whether it's jewish people or black people it's all the

23:52same i will never understand it i was something like that it doesn't matter where i'm like i'm not

23:57i'm not but we are all god's children in that way exactly like now look at what's going on in gaza

24:04look what's going on in with russia and with the ukraine these people are people innocent people are dying

24:11people who never even wanted to have a part of this is dying and to me that's just the worst

24:16i don't understand that's just terrible i know i mean i cry when i see that i cannot understand it

24:24it hits me hard too it hits me hard because i i mean i am mixed my family were a part of the slave

24:32trade that was the sex slave trade is a little different so what you're looking at when you see my

24:39hair that's my color what you're looking at when you see you know when i tell you i'm part of almost

24:46everything going all the way up to russia i have a piece of every different person in me because

24:53of the sex slave trade and then i have native american in me too because of the sex slave trade it was

25:01just a mess i'm a mutt i'm literally a mutt there is no pure anything about me i am a mutt and so i have

25:08family in gaza oh my goodness yes that i don't i can't i don't know what's going on with them

25:16i haven't heard from them months oh my goodness months but i also have family in israel and i

25:22also have family in ireland and i have family in africa i have family in japan so it's like

25:28it's not fair i mean it's not it's not it's not i don't know what's going on we're not that close

25:35but they still are family so i still want to know what's going on what do we do what do you do what

25:42do you do and you can't choose no choose who you're related to in this world you just you know

25:51like my saying is everything i do is by choice and sometimes shit happens excuse my language

25:58it does react to it how you react to it it's your choice and that's what you do you have to you have

26:06to choose to kind of be your own person in this instance and i can see you definitely are and i always

26:13want to well well well thank you miss more to be on the show we're going to go ahead and put that

26:20book up and it's called a duty of remembrance and if you guys want to do it we get that book or you

26:27can put that book out we do have the qr code and we have the website there is g-u-d-r-u-n-m-o-o-r-e.com

26:38we're going to put that link in the description box as well wherever you may be watching

26:42so it's easy for you guys to go ahead and go get it you can also get that book on amazon

26:47and a lot of different places am i correct miss more it's correct awesome well thank you miss more

26:52for being on the show i appreciate it i'm so happy that you're here to share a story of someone who

26:58was given the opportunity probably will took you and his entire family and got the heck out of dodge

27:04but couldn't do it i'll thank you for your interview anytime anytime thank you guys so much for

27:11tuning up don't forget to dare to be different and remember not to label people not everybody

27:15that's in something wants to be in it some people just don't have a choice they don't have a method

27:21of getting out and they don't know what to do except to go with it and it's just something that

27:26happens all right guys until next time thank you miss morgan bye guys thank you for watching

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