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00:00as a journalist you are consumed by two questions constantly how to tell a story
00:22but perhaps more crucially why to tell a story imagine a country nice weather let's give a nice
00:31one nice weather for England anyway imagine the people in this country believe they are living
00:38in a democracy believe in their own freedom but they are being abused by a power so every day
00:46they don't know to look for it a treacherous combination of press the police and politicians
00:51that hide in plain sight imagine a country where that concealment was imagine a country where
01:00where the news organizations my name is nick davis i'm a journalist and this is a story that ends in
01:17seven major police investigations nearly 40 convictions and some of the most powerful
01:23people in this country being brought to their knees
01:25my name is nick davis i'm a journalist morning i'll just check in this all started with stewart
01:40kutner hello
01:41this is the most troubling story i've ever written a story about the abuse of power
01:55and the concealment of truth hi hi nick davis for the today program i'm late
02:02british journalism is sloppy and morally bankrupt that is the claim of the journalist nick davies
02:17who's written a book that shows how often newspapers use illegal messes for getting their stories
02:22it's called flat earth news and nick davis joins us now good morning hi you say sloppy because
02:29newspapers use press releases rather than getting their own stories and morally bankrupt because of
02:35the illegality involved really the route that binds together all the different themes is that the logic of
02:41journalism has been overwhelmed by the logic of commercialism journalists no longer have the time or the
02:47resources to do their jobs properly instead they're just passive processors of unchecked secondhand
02:53material okay but you also you go much further in suggesting that there has been criminality
02:58involved and that's generally accepted within the press okay so principally that involves hiring
03:04private investigators they hire private investigators to get your bank statements your credit card
03:09statements your itemized phone bills your tax record even your health records these creatures
03:14are getting all of that is illegal okay we're joined by john mullen who is the editor of the independent
03:19on sunday and stewart cuttner who's managing editor of news of the world john mullen do you recognize
03:25this well i ploughed my way through the first half of the book not the second half so far and no one can
03:33deny that life in journalism is much harder than maybe it was 20 30 years ago but to say that journalism as a
03:41whole as a passive processor of news i think that's erroneous stuart cuttner yes i'll tell you what i think
03:48i think frankly listening to nick davis i thought he was speaking from a newsroom on another planet it is
03:56totally unrecognizable to me many years in newspapers in fleet street now of course at the news of the world
04:03but what did he say that was so wrong well he talks about if you like uh shortcuts pr interests
04:12commercial interests i have to tell you none of my news of the world journalists would recognize that
04:18but what about the way these people get the stories and access to personal information well if it happens
04:26it it shouldn't happen it happened once at the news of the world the reporter was fired he went to prison
04:33the editor resigned and while nick is talking about all this i notice he doesn't mention the guardian's
04:40own act of criminality when the guardian forged the signature of a cabinet okay i i don't want to go into
04:47details of story i think the charge that nick davis may not want to go into detail but nick makes a broad
04:52brush sweeping attack on our profession which i happen to believe is an honorable profession okay
05:13you hear it i wish i hadn't you're too kind i did say appearing on the today program to attack
05:22journalism wasn't exactly the most sensible idea listen before i go home i wanted to talk to you
05:26about something good thing was you weren't representing the guardian you were talking about your book
05:32my book no cutler did have a good go at trying to besmirch us through you i want out
05:40do you know anything about baking competitions i want to know how many people cheat at baking
05:46competitions round number exactly the sort of thing the guardian should be investigating i don't mean
05:52out all together i'd like to go to brussels investigate a whole new horizon something well
05:57paid naturally that will allow me to commute the kids are old enough now to be able to i need you here
06:01so deep car bugged 40-year convention breached and why keep the americans happy needs a good journalist
06:13and i'm knackered nobody likes me oh come on i like you some of the time and i'm sure there are a few
06:21others who also please self-pity is not a redeeming quality we'll talk tomorrow i'm freelance
06:29besides it's not i need to talk to you tomorrow you're freelance with more or less a sole employer
06:35i say you should talk to me tomorrow we've all been roasted by stuart bloody cuttner bye
06:49let me explain alan is um what we grew up together in journalism that is and he has always understood
06:57sorry yep nick davis who's this my name is redacted sorry we'll call him mr apollo because
07:06um well actually because he is it doesn't matter how did you get this number listen cuttner made a
07:14mistake well i know it's several chief amongst them appearing on the today program he said it happened
07:19once it happened once it happened once at the news of the world the reporter was fired he went to
07:26prison the editor resigned you're talking about phone hacking nick your book only scratched the surface
07:33we have to meet face to face somewhere absolutely discreet i think you'll like what i have
07:39where and when in the beginning it was next to nothing two men were arrested for hacking phones in 2006
07:47a private investigator glenn mulcair and the royal editor of the news of the world clive goodman
07:54the sentences they received were short the attention they got limited but the crime was unusual
08:00they had discovered they could access other people's voicemail messages and they spent months
08:06eavesdropping on three of prince william's staff at claren's house how they didn't say why
08:14for the discovery of private information
08:19was the start of the next six years of my life
08:36to be clear i've never told anyone who mr apollo is so some guesses have been made
08:45bad guess
08:51no
08:57no sorry it's not you
08:58okay okay oh come on
09:12hi you're coming in or
09:14sure
09:19wow this is nice
09:21nice choice of room just to check is the guardian paying because if so i'd implore you to stay away from
09:31that mini bar
09:32mulcair in the trial he said he'd hacked other five non-royals i remember yes um el mcpherson
09:40sky andrew max clifford he's a liar cuttner's a liar and one of the five is suing them
09:48which one well that five is just the tip of the iceberg
09:57hacking phones at the news of the world has been endemic endemic
10:03they pick up their leads by intercepting voicemails and only then do they get photographs and quotes
10:10so as to lay a false trail to pretend they found the story through legitimate means
10:14they've hacked thousands yeah dial a number someone who's likely to not answer
10:28this is alan russbridger please leave that's your phone a friend the editor of the guardian
10:33press nine please enter your four digit pen now enter one two three four that's the factory setting
10:42welcome to your voicemail you have one new message alan it's mummy i'm just calling about jill
10:50wyatt she won best sponge again and i'm sure she cheated i don't want to hear this
10:54it's that easy doesn't even need a glenn mulcair most of the time and you're saying this was widespread
11:01glenn's main job was that when it got tricky unlike with your alan was to blag the mobile phone
11:06companies into resetting the celebrities pin codes to their original factory setting one two three four
11:14that's alan please who is this hi yeah it's nick uh listen change the voicemail settings on your phone
11:22and how do i do that ask a young person i've got to go bye
11:24who is suing the person who is is currently trying to get scotland yard to hand over evidence they
11:34collected and did nothing with when they arrested mulcair it's evidence that could burn
11:42fuck and destroy everything twice over you won't tell me which one of the five it is will you
11:50i will tell you that you're missing two names gordon taylor and simon hughes will you go on the record
11:59uh if you dig it comes from you i can i can confirm things but
12:11it's just another story of journos behaving badly
12:14you're not interested it's interesting but you should talk to someone else do you realize i could
12:20lose my job just by talking to you don't worry this conversation never happened no no no that's
12:23not my point nick you think think who edited the paper think about where he sits now
12:33you're talking about andy coulson
12:37stop him
12:53andy coulson a rapid ascent journalist from a local reporter to showbiz at the sun he was made
13:03editor of news of the world in 2003 even after he resigned in 2007 over the original phone hacking
13:09case it was seen as honorable him carrying the can to the one rogue reporter not me really gov
13:15but if he would if he is if this is endemic he's david cameron's communications director for him to be
13:25involved in widespread criminality
13:45i'm not late it would be fine if you were to be a bit late you don't need to be so worried
13:49are they ready are they ever ready kids you okay kids oh you're anxious to go then sorry how are you
13:59etc i'm fine etc you all right never better really i heard you on the radio that's all performance
14:07helps sales oh i would doubt it i'm um i am worried about i'm not going to reveal my child's name let's
14:18call him beans he comes home locks himself in his room i have tried to talk to him but avoids all
14:26questions so do we bring the school then let's get the details make sure he wants the help oh you
14:34sound like a journalist let me try let me try okay
14:48i've got a new recipe okay that's a stuffed tomato thing yeah no it's good call you when it's ready
15:06it's turkish yeah so i met someone today
15:10a source he was pissed off with what cutler said on the radio okay hacking was endemic he said at news
15:20of the world and someone is now suing scotland yard for information on what was hacked now no i know
15:25it's one of either el mcpherson simon hughes gordon taylor sky andrew or max clifford but i don't know which
15:32one what do you think do i dig trying to find out who it is if i find them it might we might get some
15:40evidence that proves foul play was a bit more widespread imagine what it does to andy coulson
15:44he's about to continue to have keys to 10 downing street did cameron even do a fit and proper person
15:49test on him did he even look into coulson's past that's a good angle but another tabloid's behaving badly
15:57story i said the same thing and who wants to kick a bee's nest murdoch you know this source has he got
16:07under your skin no i just wanted to talk it out with someone you oh always grateful to be your sounding
16:17board go ahead man who says i'm in the office we'll always have brussels bye
16:38it's creepy when you do that stare at me like that how are you why are you asking if there
16:45ever is anything you need to discuss yes dad i know
16:59i am i never much liked school not being bullied i always saw school as a necessity why does
17:18everyone always think i'm being bullied not a virtue there's a guy who used to hit us
17:24us another kid actually a teacher used to god used to really scare me i never used to do well um
17:38well i never used to do well with fear but also the thing i remember most clearly rage
17:44i heard you on the radio you listen to the today program one makes us listen to or read everything
17:57you do you have an impressive dad and she says it like she may be a total dick but he's impressive
18:05oh god you know the story of the dung beetle oh god really again if you want to fly free first you
18:16have to eat a lot of shit sometimes you have to ignore bullies not being bullied sometimes you
18:21you you have to puncture them i'm not that there's always a way to there's always a chance when the
18:26wankers when they suddenly seem vulnerable when they are you have to clamp your pincers onto
18:33them as hard as possible do not let go
18:43tomatoes in the oven ready and ten they're turkish
18:48thank you very much
18:48it won't surprise you to know we didn't get the rights to use their masthead
19:14or this one
19:30hi it's nick davies you still have that contact at scotland yard
19:34no sorry mate really cannot be getting involved with that one you know how that is but andy
19:39coulson will soon be sitting in downing street yeah and murdoch's already sitting on downing street
19:44yeah i i yes i appreciate that i understand if i could get some evidence of this no no no all right
19:52thanks bye
19:58oh hi thanks for coming back do you have the number four name redacted
20:03see you next one yes okay great zero seven seven zero zero nine zero zero nine five four
20:15oh got that thank you hi i'm wondering whether i could speak to whoever represents l mcpherson
20:25no no i'm not a fan no i'm wondering whether she's currently suing the news of the world
20:30is that max hi it's nick davies we met at the orwell prize i'm actually after a bit of insight
20:38it well no give me a chance
20:52detective buzz aldrin not his real name my name is nick davies i'm a guardian journalist
21:08uh i believe you were looking into the clive goodman i'm very busy mr davies i followed your
21:12work buzz i know how principled you are i think you know that this that that what is happening here
21:17is acutely in the public interest and if it's all dealt with in behind stairs deals it'll help no one
21:21i can't talk to james don't have to talk all i need to know is which of the five non-royal names
21:26of the clive goodman case is now suing the paper cough that's all i ask cough when i hit the right
21:31name you are very very persistent because what i understand is that those five names represent
21:36thousands thousands of people who've had their privacy stolen by this newspaper please
21:42l mcpherson simon hughes gordon taylor
21:46l mcpherson simon hughes gordon taylor
22:00i'm sorry excuse me charlotte harris nick davis of the guardian i believe you represent gordon
22:14taylor i'm doing court i understand that he's suing news of the world for breach of privacy
22:18mr davis whether or not mr taylor is my client i have no interest in putting to any press sorry
22:22these so-called journalists bring our whole industry into disrepute i'm very persistent
22:30well can you can you tell me then about john hugheson he's also a claimant is he not
22:36and the interesting thing is if you ask the public who those two are they might know taylor they
22:41wouldn't know hugheson because he's a lawyer like you he's entrusted with the secrets of others in the
22:47secrets of sports stars in his case which makes him interesting to the news of the world this is a
22:53news operation which is trying to undermine the confidentiality that crucially underlies your
22:59profession if you want to fight it well you're a tiger but they're lions the guardians are lying too
23:07well what if i'm neither a lion or a tiger what if i am a walrus walruses can be fierce
23:16and what if you're uh see i'm trying to think of an annoying animal is mr taylor settled
23:21what evidence do you have are there other claimants i'm sure you must you must be looking
23:25to engage more clients privacy cases like this can sometimes what did max mosley get 60 000 pounds
23:32and costs line enough up you could have a class action suit worth a lot of money you were doing well
23:38reasonably well until you brought money into it i can't talk to you about specific cases but
23:44i can tell you i can tell you that there is so much more to come
23:51yes
24:07yep you've got the name mr apollo you're back are you watching me i take it you're still interested in this
24:16case then
24:22the deer is in the fireplace the lion is a light what what the are you doing sorry i've had
24:28tendency to make jokes i was trying to be trying to be a russian spy
24:33it could be spotted at any moment do you know the risks i do sorry
24:36so you found the lawyer is this some kind of a test do i get a prize at the end of it
24:44do you know how much they're settling for no
24:47four hundred thousand pounds in damages another three hundred thousand pounds in legal expenses and
24:52their associates are getting 140 000 pounds in damages plus they're legal the whole package comes in
24:58at just over a million pounds well that's a lot even for news international to stomach but
25:06max mosley was their cute him of being a nazi at an orgy all he got was 60 000 pounds yes
25:13now you're getting it
25:17but i need i need paperwork or audio recording some sort of hard evidence
25:22i don't even have to publish it i just need to be able to show the guardian
25:26the preliminary hearings in 2007 the public record that's not enough
25:35right
25:40what is it you'll work it out can i use it nope i need to be able to use it
25:45summarize it yes show it to your editor yes quote from it no
25:50no can i have your number be careful nick this could get nasty
26:15i have a piece on mp's expenses i want you to have a look at
26:18okay you want some gingerbread my mother made it it's not very good i have evidence
26:23how long did that take you to get maybe two months and you've never mentioned it
26:29they're paying up millions to cover this up this is a story
26:33nick newspapers reporting on news but the editor of that newspaper is about to enter government
26:39if andy coulson was complicit in hacking phones as an editor imagine what he might do to enemies of
26:44the government show me what you have okay so
26:52print out of an email ross hindley at news of the world to shadow men
26:56at yahoo.co.uk is glenn mulcair's email his email was shadow men
27:01hmm it says transcript for neville wednesday 29th of june 2005. i can read
27:06and neville is neville thirlbeck chief reporter at news of the world there are transcripts of 35
27:14voicemail messages which have been left on the phones of gordon taylor and a colleague wasn't just
27:18clive goodman and then there's this greg miscue assistant editor approving a payment of seven
27:26thousand pounds two mile care for a story on gordon taylor and the police have access to all
27:32of this and more can we use this no can we get your mr apollo to speak on the record
27:41how long have we known each other i've no idea i had no interest in trying to work that out it'll
27:46make me feel old nearly 30 years this is it alan there is an industry making huge profit from
27:52evading people's private lives and rupert murdoch's bullying tabloids have explicitly encouraged it
27:57and are buying it this matters
28:10tin hats on good okay
28:15you may think you lead a private life but the guardian has uncovered evidence to suggest otherwise
28:30this strange story began in 2006 with the arrest of two men the news of the world royal editor clive
28:37goodman and a private investigator glenn mulcare the men pled guilty to phone hacking charges and
28:43served prison sentences following an investigation the paper told the world that hacking was the work
28:49of one rogue reporter the story should have ended there but it didn't
29:04from the beginning on newspapers have prospered for one reason
29:13giving readers the news they want
29:17shit
29:25keep it simple
29:27rupert murdoch's newsgroup newspapers had paid out more than one million pounds to settle legal cases that
29:32threaten to reveal evidence of his journalists repeated involvement in the use of criminal methods to
29:37get stories payments secured secrecy over out-of-court settlements in three cases that threatened to
29:43expose evidence of murdoch journalists using private investigators to illegally hack into the mobile phone
29:49messages of numerous public figures cabinet ministers mps actors and sports stars were all targets of
29:57private investigators are you sure we can safely list all those groups we already have evidence of
30:01actors el mcpherson sports stars sky and mps then i have an invoice uh recording a payment to a private
30:07investigator showing john prescott had been targeted it's likely hacking this article has no
30:12named sources no evidence on the record alan thinks we have enough i do too and we haven't got
30:16right of reply it's a declaration of bloody war murdoch and brooks they have nuclear weapons right now
30:21they do but we can neuter their nuclear weapons with this if we do fleet street will fall in behind
30:26us the police soon after and they have when they find the information they already have information
30:31they don't know they have the the met we're talking about look once we publish they'll be forced to
30:37act can we name coulson now you're worried i haven't gone far enough no it makes it more in the public
30:43interest if we can name him i did ring conservative hq right to reply jill i asked about the gordon taylor
30:49settlement his office replied it didn't ring any bells there'd be nothing that directly linked them
30:54i agree but we can say that he was the editor in place when journalists for whom he was responsible
31:02etc etc etc it's good it's good
31:06yes i'm uneasy but if you're sure
31:18i am
31:24reads well
31:32okay
31:36at half past five in the afternoon on wednesday 8th july 2009 we posted my news story on the guardian
31:46website as it ran the guardian news desk asked a reporter caroline davies to call john prescott
31:51ex-deputy prime minister to get a quote i told him the gist of the story and he said
31:57fucking hell you'd have thought the police in the committing of a criminal offense as clearly it is
32:03against anyone and particularly the thought a cabinet member they would have come and told me
32:07about it i wouldn't have asked them what are you going to do about it prescott ruled
32:12but the house fell silent
32:15anyone
32:19anyone
32:20and fleet street
32:26well
32:30fleet street essentially
32:32did their best to ignore the story ask any journalist what a great story depends on they'll
32:37say the same thing
32:38a new angle when at least journalists can get mine
32:43we are reliant on our own profession to follow up on stories so they have impact to make a story
32:48newsworthy requires multiple news outlets but on this one crickets
32:55my company couldn't have settled the legal action like the guardian climbs if they had done
32:59i'd have known about it i tried to get this out as wide as possible i talked on radio stations tv
33:04shows i took constant calls from agents of public figures asking am i on that list i slept about
33:09four hours and then at five in the afternoon i was surprised to hear that john yates assistant commissioner
33:16at scotland yard was preparing to make statement good afternoon i was not involved in the original
33:23case and clearly come at this with an independent mind in my opinion what i've seen is a most careful
33:29investigation by very experienced detectives he proceeded to gently demolish our work we'd suggested
33:37there were thousands of victims their potential targets may have run into hundreds of people
33:42but our inquiry showed that they only used the tactic against a far smaller number of individuals
33:48and since no additional evidence has come to light i can see no reason to reopen the inquiry
33:53thank you that's all for today
33:55that was assistant commissioner john yates speaking in response
34:17what is it the police haven't backed us and kistana's conducting a review he was director of public
34:30prosecutions then but he doesn't consider there was anything inappropriate in the prosecutions
34:34undertaken in this case we are being squashed we need to speak to your mr apollo we need to get him on
34:41the record he he can contact me i can't contact him nick
34:49our colleagues upstairs are gravely concerned is it possible he was set up no this is right i've used
34:56no named sources no quotes from documents we should never have published and murdoch has
35:04set his attack dogs on us in the comments they're briefing that we can't back up our story
35:08and now the cms select committee want to see us urgently that doesn't sound great they want to
35:16barbecue you nick and john yates has given them permission i'm sorry i uh i've read the runes wrong here
35:28guardian are putting together a statement what kind of statement
35:32i'll know when i see it i'll know when i see it i feel like i'm having a heart attack
35:39why is everybody doing this
36:01my mother was a strong character intelligent forceful imaginative trapped as she believed in
36:20domestic drudgery she had she had a furious temper this wasn't the 1950s toxic ideal of spare the rod and
36:28spoil the child this was mad beatings which he came after us with a black-eyed fury armed with
36:35whatever weapon she had to hand a dog lead a slipper a riding crop a rope
36:42are you ready to say you're sorry
36:46no
36:46i've been working as a journalist for a couple of decades thinking i was interested in criminal
36:58justice and social problems when i saw that i was being drawn to stories again and again with the same
37:03theme a deep-seated urge to hit back at anybody at all who takes power and abuses stupid child
37:16this is
37:30Oh, my God.
38:00so I tried hitting him back why seizing rage I thought he looked
38:09vulnerable oh didn't work no you look terrible thank you
38:23what happened to you you're asking me or him
38:28okay so I need to take you to your mum's tonight um she says she's cool with
38:34over you are yeah sure I don't mind
38:46it's been a day of statement and counter statement in the phone hacking affair
38:50with News International angrily refuting all the allegations made by the Guardian
38:56with the editor and the reporter due to appear at the media select committee
39:00certain publications are claiming a leftist agenda against the news of the
39:05world by the Guardian and calling for legal action to be taken against the
39:09organization if they can't back up curious claim made against Murdoch's paper
39:14I'm fine mom I'm fine it's my fault sorry bad advice coffee oh thanks for this I'll see you Monday I'm sorry Nick yeah have you eaten
39:34when in the last day I'm just a bit tired enough I'm not really at my best I need to think and
39:51and the the House of Commons select committee want to see us tomorrow and the
39:59Guardian have got this message to that PR have written that is that is just all right
40:04okay
40:06you look worse than he does
40:08I didn't tell him to fight back
40:11I got the biggest moment come on hit someone shit
40:14mm
40:15all right
40:17come on
40:19sit down sit down soup okay
40:23what do I do
40:30how do I make it better
40:32uh well we will talk to the school
40:36you know be better
40:38it's good school
40:40things have changed you know teachers parents
40:44they're not allowed to do
40:47there's systems right
40:50I thought about her
40:53earlier today I was reading this
40:56paper magie over apologetic PR nonsense and I thought about all the times I'd gone to her and apologised
41:04and all the times that I
41:06and then my son gets her face like that
41:11okay
41:13I'm gonna make the sofa up you're staying here tonight
41:17I want to just put this soup on
41:22yeah
41:26yeah
41:29yeah
41:33yeah
41:34yeah
41:38yeah
41:39yeah
41:40yeah
41:43yeah
41:44yeah
41:46I can't read that statement, a retraction at this time.
41:57You're asking me to say I was wrong.
41:59If we can't get Mr. Apollo on the record, then we need to make a retraction.
42:05You know getting him on the record is impossible.
42:09Then I'm afraid you'll have to make that statement to the Select Committee tomorrow.
42:13If you make me read it out, I won't come.
42:16If you don't come, we're fucked.
42:46I won't come.
42:47I won't come.
42:48I won't come.
42:49I won't.
42:51Carl Bernstein, one of the great reporters who exposed the Watergate scandal, said,
42:55I think all good reporting is the same thing, the best attainable version of the truth.
43:03The best attainable version of the truth.
43:07The best attainable.
43:08Because no matter what, you've got to...
43:09You've got to...
43:10You've got to...
43:11You've got to...
43:15You've got to...
43:16You've got to...
43:17You've got to...
43:18You've got to...
43:19Morning.
43:20Hi.
43:21Does this printer scanner thing still work?
43:23Morning.
43:32Hi.
43:33Does this printer scanner thing still work?
43:36Uh, yeah, that one does.
43:38Coffee?
43:39And do you have some black paper and some glue and some scissors?
43:43Oh, are you making me a collage, Nick?
43:45Might need the kids to be slightly late for school.
43:48Right.
43:48Why?
43:49OK, so these are emails written to a journalist, that's Neville,
43:57with transcriptions of a man called Gordon Taylor's voicemail messages.
44:01What I need you to do is to block out all the sections
44:03which are clearly transcribed from those voicemails.
44:06Leave everything else visible.
44:07You should be able to tell which bits of which, but in doubt, just ask.
44:09May I ask, why aren't you doing this at The Guardian
44:12with some sort of vague professionalism?
44:14Alan can't know.
44:16Your editor can't know.
44:17Because I can't have him tell anyone else.
44:20Oh, yeah.
44:21That man is a gossip.
44:22Fleet Street can't know about this.
44:23As far as they know, I'm walking naked into that committee room.
44:26I was just trying to protect my editor and my newspaper.
44:29And you.
44:32What sort of danger are you putting yourself in here?
44:34I mean, there you go.
44:41I had tea.
44:47You know, there's a kind of
44:50when I don't know.
44:50I won't be beautiful in this.
44:51I wish this to vanish.
44:51So I don't know.
44:53You all know.
44:53You're supreme?
44:54I will go wrong here to get away.
44:54I volcano.
44:55HerePLAN!
44:56What do you all know?
44:56I see my eye?
44:57Uh-oh.
44:57What?
44:57What do you see?
44:58I saw you Yukari.
44:58What do you see?
45:00I see him looking like, how you know?
45:00I see you looking like they're � 하나라.
45:00There's a point.
45:01You're a question.
45:01You're not looking here.
45:02I see.
45:02What do you think?
45:03It's already been coming here.
45:03Nick.
45:08How are you, Alan?
45:10I'm fine.
45:11A bit tired.
45:12Something interrupted my sleep last night.
45:14I hate it when that happens.
45:18I hate all of this.
45:21Sorry if I've made your life difficult.
45:23My life?
45:25This is bigger than me.
45:28Could have brought down the whole Guardian newspaper
45:30with this one.
45:32What a way to go.
45:34I mean, consider the glory I, Nick Davies,
45:40have destroyed, utterly destroyed,
45:44close to 200 years of journalistic endeavor.
45:49You're an absolute god.
45:52God, I can't even think what you are.
45:54You're awful.
45:58You know what Peter Preston told me
46:00when I took over the editor's desk?
46:02Why and how did they choose you?
46:04Don't join the club.
46:06He had to make adjustments to the paper
46:08after the move from Manchester,
46:09and he didn't...
46:12He wouldn't be part of the media cabal.
46:16He liked being on the edge of Fleet Street.
46:18He considered it part of our DNA.
46:22Last night in bed,
46:23Last night in bed, I realized something.
46:26What you've done, bringing us here,
46:29is in the line of great Guardian coups.
46:34But I do want to keep the newspaper
46:36I've been entrusted with alive.
46:39Are you reading the statement?
46:41No.
46:44But I do have things to say.
46:49If you go too far, I will squeeze your leg,
46:52and you will stop.
46:53I've got a paper to protect.
46:56And you...
46:58Be sure to protect yourself.
47:03Tune hat's on.
47:04Thank you for joining us, gentlemen.
47:06Now, we have a lot of questions,
47:08so I tried to keep opening statements short.
47:11I'd like to keep this whole experience
47:13quite short, if I may.
47:14Um...
47:15But I do have...
47:17It was a lot for me to say.
47:22I'd like to start by showing you,
47:24first of all, copies of an email.
47:27I'd like to start by showing you,
47:29and I'll see you next time.
47:30I'll see you next time.
47:31I'll see you next time.
47:32Bye.
47:33Bye.
47:34Bye.
47:35Bye.
47:36Bye.
47:57Bye.
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