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00:00To be continued...
00:30Why would she do that if it wasn't a part of her plan?
00:34I'm sorry, I guess I could be mistaken about that part.
00:38Anyway, I thought your idea turned out to be really entertaining, and the end caught everyone totally by surprise.
00:44I just thought it didn't fit with the rest of the film, if you want my honest opinion.
00:48Yeah.
00:49Well, I'd better get going to Manga Club.
00:51See you tomorrow, Oreki.
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02:29How could I have forgotten about the rope?
02:32Did I ignore it?
02:33Well, not intentionally.
02:36Did I twist the narrative to make it fit Kaito better?
02:40Hotaro!
02:41Hotaro!
02:42Hotaro!
02:43Hotaro!
02:44Hey!
02:45Wait up!
02:46Hotaro!
02:47Wow!
02:48Are you okay?
02:50Yeah, it's nothing.
02:52What's going on?
02:53Oh, I wanted to talk to you about something.
02:56Where's Mayaka?
02:57She had to go to Manga Club.
02:59Good.
03:00I'm actually glad it's just us.
03:01Did Chitanda have to leave too?
03:03Yeah, she did.
03:04Why?
03:05Do you not want them to overhear what you need to discuss with me?
03:07It's nothing major, but I would prefer to talk about it with you in private.
03:11Right, so what's up?
03:12It's about the film's ending.
03:14Was the plot twist part of Hongo's plan?
03:16Or did you come up with all of that on your own?
03:18It was Hongo's idea.
03:20Okay.
03:23I would be lying to you if I said I believed the ending was Hongo's idea.
03:28I don't know what she intended to write, but I am positive that wasn't it.
03:32Are you basing that on something specific?
03:35Yeah.
03:37How could I have missed an inconsistency so glaring the two people picked up on it?
03:42There's no inconsistency.
03:43I really thought it was fantastic, but it wasn't keeping in line with the story she wanted to tell.
03:48Meaning what?
03:50Have you ever heard of the term narrative trick?
03:52Hmm.
03:53Isn't that a way of fooling the reader with clever storytelling?
03:56That's right.
03:57The surprise twist of the murderer being the cameraman in this film is a perfect example.
04:01Yeah, I guess that's true.
04:03Do you remember our conversation about the books Hongo used to study the mystery genre in preparation for writing this script?
04:10Sherlock Holmes, right?
04:11Exactly.
04:12She didn't read anything other than Sherlock Holmes.
04:14That's telling and here's why.
04:16Doyle didn't use narrative tricks in the Sherlock Holmes novels.
04:20Except for a handful of cases, narrative tricks weren't in use until Agatha Christie's era, which wasn't until the mid-1920s at the earliest.
04:28Now, I don't know Hongo at all, but I find it hard to believe she'd be on par with Agatha Christie.
04:35Personally, the movie turned out to be right up my alley.
04:38And if it was all your idea, I promise not to say anything.
04:41But if you're trying to pass it off as Hongo's work, I have to tell you that you're wrong.
04:45Hold on a second. We don't have some comprehensive list of everything she's read.
04:49Maybe she learned to use narrative tricks by reading about them in some other book.
04:53Hell, maybe she even saw one used in a movie.
04:56Hotaro!
04:57Is that what you actually believe?
05:00If it is and you feel like you made the right call, then I'll let this go.
05:06That's all I wanted to talk to you about.
05:08I gotta go.I'll see you around.
05:10Hey, what's wrong?I thought you would have already gone home by now.
05:27Listen,Oreki.There's something I wanted to talk to you about.
05:31Oh,Great.You too?
05:34This is about class 2F's movie,isn't it?
05:44Yes.
05:45So you didn't like it?
05:47No,it's not that at all.
05:49You can be honest.Satoshi and Ibera already talked to me about it.
05:53They said they knew it wasn't what Hongo intended.
05:56And well,I'm beginning to think you guys are right.
05:59I don't think it was what she wanted.
06:03And what makes you say that specifically?
06:13It's still pretty early,huh?
06:15Do you want to take a walk with me down by the river?
06:24So,Oreki, do you know what it was that made me so curious about all of this in the first place?
06:29How I was gonna tie up all the loose ends and wrap the movie,right?
06:32That's why you came to watch it.
06:34No,I didn't really have any interest in how the movie was going to end,to be perfectly honest.
06:39That's why I told you that the idea you came up with was such a brilliant one.
06:43Then what were you so curious about?
06:45Well,I was actually more interested in Hongo as a person,you know?
06:49I thought the whole script thing was really bizarre from the beginning.
06:54Why didn't Irisu talk to someone who was close to Hongo?
06:57Eba knows Hongo really well,so she could have helped Irisu figure out how Hongo wanted the movie to end.
07:02And it would have been a lot easier.
07:04And Hongo still would have been able to rest,you mean?
07:09If you've got something in mind,you should say it.
07:11I think Hongo had a clear vision of her script from the beginning right up to the very end.
07:17Even if she had gotten sick in the middle of things,they could have asked her about it.
07:22And if she was too frail to handle that,I would think Eba would have gotten so mad at the class she wouldn't have participated.
07:28She would have been furious!
07:30And she probably wouldn't have escorted us to the detectives.
07:34You're right.
07:35Did Hongo really not tell anyone else in the class how the rest of her film played out?
07:44Are you implying that Hongo still wanted to write the rest of the script herself?
07:49No,from the way Eba described her I get the impression Hongo's too meek to insist on it.
07:54I don't think that kind of girl would have the gall to keep her classmates waiting around.
07:58Well,maybe she didn't have confidence in her conclusion.
08:02That's an option I've considered as well.
08:04But the other kids in the class seem like nice people.
08:07I don't think they would be disrespectful of her idea or insult her or anything.
08:11Nice people,huh?
08:12If the ending you wrote is the one she came up with,I'm sure she would have had enough confidence in it to share it with the others.
08:18It was that great of an idea.
08:20But I don't think she came up with something that good,so she kept quiet.
08:24And if all that's true,what was it that pushed her to the point of not finishing it?
08:28That's what I have to find out!
08:30I believe that all of her regrets,how she really felt about not being able to finish what she started,
08:35all those screams of frustration were hidden in the script!
08:37The version that we ended up with didn't have any of her real feelings left in it.
08:43So if it seems to you like I didn't enjoy the movie,well that's the only reason why.
08:49While I was busy trying to figure out the puzzle of the film,Chitanda was actually concerned about Hongo.
09:01What does that say about me?I saw the script as a literary problem and forgot about the human side of things.
09:08The theater setting.The cast of characters.The gruesome murder.The set up.
09:23The killer!Lurks among you all undetected!
09:27I never even considered that Hongo could have written her feelings into the script as some hidden code.
09:34Pathetic.Some detective I am.
09:43I'm not saying that you did anything wrong at all,Oriki.The last scene was really quite a shock to everyone.
09:49It may not have been what Hongo originally intended,but at the end of the day it was a great ending.
09:55I wasn't asked to come on board as a screenwriter.
10:04I did a great job if my assignment was to screw things up,but where did I go wrong?
10:14I can't wrap my brain around it.No lucky flashes of insight.Who cares anyway?
10:26They already wrapped the film.No matter how hard I think about it it won't change anything.Dwelling on it now is just a waste of time and precious energy.
10:37Damn it!
10:47Maybe I'll read a book to take my mind off of it.
10:52A tarot book?I didn't know sis was into this stuff.
10:58Let's see.The empress.Maternal affection,a fertile mind,sensitivity.From what I've seen that doesn't seem like irisu at all.
11:11So,ibara was justice.Equality,righteousness,fairness.Eep,that's not too far off.Satoshi was the magician.Initiative,originality andinterest huh?
11:25Interesting indeed.And Chitanda was the fool.
11:30Curiosity,impulse to action.Sounds about right.
11:34Okay,my turn.Inner fortitude,fighting spirit,bonds.What the heck?That doesn't sound like me at all.
11:42Why wouldSatoshi pick this for me?
11:45Strength is represented by a picture of a ferocious lion being controlled by a kind woman.
11:51What?No way,I am not controlled by women in any way.Not my sister,Chitanda,irisu or any of the rest of them.
12:00I don't know,maybe I am strength.It's pretty fascinating.Is he using the tarot to hint at some kind of judgment he has of me?That would be just like Satoshi.That's not like he could change my point of view.
12:18Change my point of view.
12:36Hey there,it's been a while hasn't it?Yeah,Hi.The class film turned out quite well don't you think?We couldn't have done it without you so thanks.Listen,there's a launch party this Saturday.Do you think you can come here?
12:45We'd all love to see you there.I'm not coming.I'm not coming.Itisoo look,I'd like to discuss something.
12:52One Yunnan tea for the gentlemen.One green tea for the lady.Please enjoy.
13:00So what did you want to discuss?Do you remember the last time we were here when you said that I was gifted?A true genius?Of course I do.
13:07Just what did you mean by that?It's ironic that you don't know.I was talking about your detective.You're lying to me.I wasn't your detective.I was your mystery writer.Wasn't that your plan all along?
13:19What gave my plot away?
13:26Sherlock Holmes did.Do you care if I spoil some of his stories for you?No,I don't mind at all.I found some notes tucked into the novels that Hongo read to prepare.I copied it.
13:36a few of them down for you.At first glance,I assumed she had just written them down as ideas she might use in her script.But unfortunately I was mistaken.
13:46from what Santos she told me,the red-haired league and the three garadevs have pretty much the same plot line.So why did she mark the red-haired league with a triangle but the three garadevs with a double circle?
13:58Why did she mark the red-haired league with a triangle?But the three garadevs with a double circle?
14:04Unfortunately, I was mistaken.
14:07From what Satoshi told me, the red-haired league and the three Garadebs have pretty much the same plotline.
14:12So why did she mark the red-haired league with a triangle but the three Garadebs with a double circle?
14:17I talked it over with Satoshi and realized that the stories with double circles are the ones in which the characters survive.
14:22And the ones marked with an X, they die.
14:25Here's my hypothesis.
14:27Honga wasn't thinking about the plotlines when she marked them.
14:30She preferred happy endings to tragedies, that's all.
14:32She just couldn't stomach it when people died.
14:35Once I thought of it in those terms, several puzzles suddenly made sense to me.
14:39First, the small amount of blood used.
14:42Second, the unexpected outcome of the questionnaire.
14:44What are you talking about?
14:49How were you able to get your hands on this?
14:53All I had to do was ask if I could borrow it.
14:56So as far as the answers are concerned, staging a hundred murders in the film would be impossible.
15:01Because there are only about thirty kids in the class, but some jokers still voted for it.
15:05So what about this other single vote here?
15:08A lone vote for having zero murders in the film.
15:11And that was how Hongo cast her vote, wasn't it?
15:14She didn't want anyone to have to die in the script she wrote at all.
15:16Quite impressive.
15:19However, her impulsive classmates decided to improvise the violence.
15:24I heard that Hongo didn't even come to the shoot.
15:26The strangest part is that the script never says that Kaito dies from his injury, but in the film he does.
15:32Yes, that's correct. And that arm was remarkably well made.
15:37Ibera mentioned that too, but Kaito died any way you slice it. No pun intended.
15:41From here out, my statements are conjecture. I have no hard evidence.
15:49Regardless, I have no choice but to say this to you.
15:53Hongo didn't have the nerve to stand up for a script and demand the class reshoot without the changes.
15:58She was much too timid to speak up that way.
16:00I think she had some guilt about ignoring the death toll tally from the questionnaire.
16:04But you decided to take matters into your own hands.
16:08The way things were going, Hongo was becoming the class villain.
16:11You set her up to come down with an illness and leave her script unfinished.
16:16Then you rallied her classmates together and held a meeting of collective deduction.
16:21But in reality, it was just a script writing contest.
16:25Once you realized they couldn't write to your standards, you dragged us into it too.
16:30It's pathetic.
16:31No one caught on to the fact that they were doing your dirty work, not even me.
16:37That's because you had manipulated our point of view.
16:40Then you replaced her script with my work.
16:42And she couldn't claim that you hurt her.
16:44She couldn't substantially prove you did anything wrong.
16:46Isn't that right?
16:50I don't dispute any of these accusations.
16:55You said something else to me before.
16:57That when people have talent and can't recognize it, they unknowingly hurt those who don't have any.
17:03That was just a tactic.
17:04You don't truly care about the feelings of people who don't have natural abilities.
17:08All that really matters to you is the bottom line.
17:10Am I mistaken?
17:12Is there something wrong with that?
17:14Fine then!
17:15When you told me I was special, was that just so you could manipulate me too?
17:18When you said it's right to acknowledge who you really are, you were thinking of your own selfish interest!
17:27Well, I was not being completely sincere.
17:53And if you choose to call it an outright lie, that's your choice.
18:03I'm not sure why.
18:05But that's a relief.
18:06I'm not sure why.
18:27I'm not sure why.
20:28Nothing.
20:29You just have to know what kind of script Hongo actually intended to write.
20:33Is that what's twirling around inside your head over there?
20:36No, it's not that at all.
20:38So what then? This isn't like you, you know?
20:40No, it's not like me. You're right.
20:43But I gotta say, you're not acting quite like yourself either, Oroki.
20:47Not like myself. What's that mean?
20:54Well, why don't I just ask like usual?
20:57I'm curious. What kind of script did Hongo originally dream up for the class film?
21:02Please tell me. I have to know, Oroki.
21:03Oh, your guess is as good as mine.
21:08Knowing Kaito's supposed to live solves the locked room problem.
21:11Konosu is the real attacker and the entry point was the window.
21:14But I thought the window...
21:16I mean the window in the stage right sitting room.
21:18There are two, but it doesn't matter which.
21:21Konosu snuck in using the rope Hongo asked for, chased Kaito and sliced him up.
21:25Just one strike though, not enough to kill him.
21:27Then she climbed back up to the second floor using the same rope and met up with the rest of the cast looking nonchalant.
21:32And that's that.
21:34Ah, that must be why Hongo wished Konosu luck then. It makes more sense now.
21:39But wait, what about the seventh character Hongo was trying to cast?
21:43Yeah, they turned up in the film. Even in the unfinished version.
21:46They did? Only the original six showed up in the version that I saw.
21:49The cast didn't just consist of the people on screen. There was a narrator too.
21:54Oh, right, I remember.
21:57So why was the door to the room the other six found Kaito in locked then?
22:00Kaito went into the stage left wing by himself and locked the door behind him.
22:04Why would he do that?
22:06Normally I'd say to stop the murderer from getting him, but I don't think that's the case here.
22:11What is it?
22:13Oh, I just had the realization that I understand Hongo's intentions a little bit better now.
22:18Interesting.
22:19I bet that after Konosu cuts Kaito, she stays around for a minute and Kaito asks her why she stabbed him because he's baffled by it.
22:26Then to cover for her, for whatever reason, he sends her back upstairs, makes his way to the stage left wing, and collapses to the ground.
22:38But then how would he explain away the fact that he's been cut that badly?
22:42The injury could be accounted for pretty easily because of the glass that was all over the floor in the room.
22:47Oh, right, that makes perfect sense.
22:49He could just say that he fell on a piece of the broken glass and cut himself.
22:52So that's how she wanted the story to go?
22:55Yeah, but we still don't know why Konosu stabbed Kaito in the first place, or what made him decide to forgive her either.
23:00Unless Hongo talks, we might never find out.
23:04I guess we'll leave it at that, but why would anyone want to stab one of their classmates,
23:08and why would the one who was stabbed let their attacker get away with it?
23:11I'm dying to know why Hongo was trying to depict that scenario in the first place.
23:16By the way...
23:17What is it?
23:18Did you happen to know more about this incident than what you're letting on here?
23:22What? No, I didn't know anything about it.
23:24What would make you think I did?
23:25You weren't convinced by any of the other detectives' hypotheses,
23:28which is kind of out of character for you, so I wondered.
23:31Was your empathy for Hongo really the only reason?
23:34Oh, yeah, I get that.
23:35So listen, if I tell you, promise not to laugh!
23:39Okay.
23:39I think that Hongo and I are really similar in a lot of ways.
23:44Huh?
23:44Wow, this is a lot more embarrassing than I thought.
23:47The truth is, I don't handle it very well when characters have to die in movies either.
23:55That is just like you.
23:56Oh, yeah, I don't handle it very well when characters have to die in movies either.
24:26Oh, yeah, I don't handle it very well when characters have to die.
24:56Oh, yeah, I don't handle it very well when characters have to die.
25:26Oh, yeah, I don't handle it very well when characters have to die.
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