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00:00I love the young people.
00:02Bay Area is Draymond Green.
00:05You're listening to Willard and Dibs on 95.7 The Game.
00:09Coming to you live from the Laughin' Monk Studios.
00:13Grandy, we probably shouldn't play that one anymore.
00:16Everyone in this town will turn the radio off because nobody likes that guy.
00:21Nobody likes him.
00:23Not nobody.
00:24Stand on it.
00:26Stand on what you say.
00:27I'm trying, brother.
00:28Stand on what you do.
00:29Listen to these two texts back-to-back, and I think this captures it all perfectly.
00:33Boxner and Gerson work injury attorney's text line.
00:35What's up, y'all?
00:35We'll go to the phones in a minute.
00:37It's Willard and Dibs.
00:38Greg Cosell in a half hour.
00:40Kyle Shanahan says Brock Purdy and Ricky Pearsall both trending toward playing this week.
00:45We'll see.
00:47First of all, 408 would like to point out, didn't anyone hear Draymond when he said that the defense being bad was his fault?
00:55He's the leader.
00:56And even though everyone wants to play expecting help, he said you have to step up personally.
01:03You know, we had a text earlier to be like, how come he didn't take accountability when he punched Jordan Poole?
01:08My God, he held five press conferences to do so.
01:11He reached out to Jordan's parents.
01:14Let's not account.
01:14I mean, it doesn't make it, it does not make me act.
01:16Yeah, let's not go back to that.
01:17No, let's not.
01:18Let's not go back to that.
01:19He was completely accountable.
01:22He apologized profusely 18 times.
01:25Okay.
01:27He did.
01:28Did those pressers not happen?
01:30I'm not sure if he actually reached out to his parents.
01:32There are conflicting reports.
01:33Okay.
01:34Well, he said he did.
01:35Okay.
01:35He said he did.
01:36He apologized to his parents into a microphone.
01:38He apologized to Jordan.
01:40Yes, a year later, did he sort of change the tune at times?
01:45Sure.
01:46Yeah.
01:46Yeah.
01:47People are in a fight.
01:49Right.
01:50They don't like each other.
01:51Don't know how much of a fight that was, but again, I don't want to re-adjudicate what's already happened.
01:56We saw one moment, and I'm pretty confident, no different than when you hear last night, like, yes, conversations and things are happening behind the scenes that we don't know.
02:06But, like, yeah, here's the next one.
02:089-2-5.
02:09Draymond isn't nearly effective enough to make it worth overlooking all the nonsense.
02:14He's obnoxious.
02:15It's always something with him, whether it's off-the-court drama because he punches a guy or opens his mouth or on the court when he's yelling at refs and kicking dudes in the balls.
02:24It's been a while since he's done that, and he hasn't choked anyone, and he hasn't flail-punched anybody.
02:29Last year actually was a very, almost a clean year for Draymond.
02:33It was.
02:34He didn't even get to the 16 techs and get suspended.
02:37That being said, I put the over-under at .9 techs tonight, and I'm taking the over with Scott Foster in the building.
02:44Oh, yeah.
02:45I'm with you on that.
02:46But Draymond, let's focus.
02:48Draymond isn't nearly effective enough.
02:51You're being a prisoner of the moment.
02:53Draymond Green has been brilliant in his career with the Warriors.
02:57But we're talking about these 11 games.
03:00I'm not.
03:00Okay.
03:01Because he is.
03:01That's to me all that matters.
03:02No.
03:03What he did in past years, he's done.
03:05Yeah, that's great.
03:06This is a leadership question.
03:08So what he did in past years is monstrously important.
03:11He has built a cachet and a knowing and an understanding of team building and championship winning that I would argue, other than Steph Curry, is unmatched in this league right now.
03:26Well, LeBron James, Draymond Green, Steph Curry.
03:29I think you're giving him more credit than he deserves.
03:31Okay.
03:32Okay.
03:33There's a whole gigantic coaching staff, and there are individual leaders on any given team.
03:39Defensive, championship, leader, elder statesman of the league, in my opinion, in terms of understanding what it takes.
03:48Does he have it anymore?
03:49Of course he doesn't have what he used to have.
03:52But I don't think that's what we're getting at.
03:54That's why I don't understand when he says, I don't like our commitment to winning right now, and people go, I don't like the box score last night.
04:01This isn't about last night.
04:02It's about every night.
04:05It's about all the games.
04:06It's about 12 games.
04:06He's played 11, and defensively, for me, it's about this year.
04:10Because what's happened in past years has already happened.
04:13Four titles, great.
04:15Ejected from the finals, a punch in practice.
04:17Whatever we can go all the way back through, whatever you want to go back through, I'm all about this year.
04:22And this year, the defense is not good.
04:25He's still their best defensive player, but nobody can stop anybody when they have the basketball on defense.
04:30And if you look at the box score plus minus, their best defensive players are almost all their worst offensive players.
04:39So the problem with this team is you've got guys who can play defense.
04:43GP2, he's their number one defensive player.
04:45He's only played 95 minutes, but he is an absolute net negative on offense.
04:50Same thing with Draymond Green.
04:52He's a net negative on offense.
04:53The only guys who are positive in both, Will Richard, Jimmy Butler, Quentin Post, and Moses Moody.
05:01Those are your four guys, and all of them are microscopically positive in one and not the other.
05:06Let me play this for you one more time, too, because I also think, wow, like, is Draymond's reputation making this sound in some way firmer than it is?
05:17This is calm?
05:19This is a low tone?
05:19Sounds defeated.
05:21I mean, okay, let's listen to it again.
05:24Anthony Slater starts with the question.
05:25What do you think is the biggest difference between the way you ended last season once Jimmy got here and what's going on right now?
05:32I think everybody was committed to winning and doing that in any way possible.
05:38And right now, it doesn't feel that way.
05:40Personal agenda type stuff?
05:42Or, like, you know, I mean, I guess how was you kind of?
05:44I think everyone has a personal agenda in this league, but you have to make those personal agenda work in the team confines.
05:52And if it doesn't work, then you kind of got to get rid of your agenda.
05:54Or eventually the agenda is the cause of someone getting rid of you.
05:58And so I think you don't want a team with no personal agendas because a goal is an agenda, you know?
06:05And so you got to have some type of personal agenda.
06:09But, like I said, your personal agenda must fit into the confines of the team.
06:13I can't tell you without a shadow of a doubt who he's talking to or about.
06:17But what I can tell you is that if somebody with his resume is going to talk about a subject like this, like, I would listen.
06:27There's a reason he's doing this.
06:28And it's not for self-interest.
06:31It's not just to have fun.
06:33It's not to be a jerk.
06:35It's not any of those things.
06:36Like, why wouldn't we take that for what it is?
06:40Because you take it for what it is, but you're 12 games into the year and you're going out in the public and you're airing the dirty laundry.
06:47I don't think that that is always the best motivator.
06:51And I'm kind of with you where this is not breaking news to the team.
06:56I'm sure these conversations have taken place all summer about agendas and about the team and playing hard and all the rest of it.
07:03And, yeah, everybody is not playing the way they did last year.
07:07And he didn't say myself included, but he's a part of everybody.
07:10And so my question would be, why?
07:12And he's been the guy who's always said, oh, I can't get up for Orlando in December or Charlotte in January.
07:18I don't remember the city in the month, but he said it a number of different ways.
07:22And so here we are in November, and the whole team is not getting up for all these games.
07:29Let's go out to the phones, 888-957-9570.
07:33Asante the God in Oakland is on the line.
07:37What's up, Asante?
07:38What are you doing?
07:39What's up, brother?
07:40Man, I'm just getting off work.
07:41I'm just listening to y'all talk.
07:43Can y'all hear me?
07:43Yeah.
07:44That's a lot and clear.
07:46Man, I don't listen, man.
07:48I got to be real with y'all, man.
07:50Man, listen, talking basketball, I don't know what y'all are really talking about.
07:54But look, I think it all starts from the top, from the ownership all the way down to Steve's.
08:00Man, I don't really like the philosophy.
08:03This three-ball game is over with.
08:07The league has really shifted.
08:11And listen, when y'all talking about Draymond, no one was ever really afraid of Draymond.
08:16Draymond ain't ever stopped nobody.
08:17He gets 30 points put up on him by everybody.
08:21And Steph ain't no alpha no more.
08:24You know what I mean?
08:25Like, I don't like the whole team.
08:28Blow it up.
08:29Bring in Josh.
08:31And let's start over.
08:32This debate is way better than this.
08:35Asante, thank you for calling.
08:37You just basically riddled through, from a leadership standpoint, everything that you dislike about the Warriors' structure and finished it with blow it up, go get Ja.
08:50Pardon me for laughing.
08:52But if anybody is the most, like, ill-fit person on planet Earth to lead an NBA team, it's Ja Morant.
08:59And you're not able to, quote, blow it up because you've got a guy making north of 60, a guy making north of 50, and Draymond and J.K. in the 20s.
09:08So I don't think that you can, quote, blow it up.
09:11And so you are pot committed to go with old guys, which is why you brought in more old guys.
09:17You brought in Al Horford, second-oldest player in the association.
09:20You brought back GP2, who's in his early 30s.
09:23So this is what you're doing.
09:24You're even bringing back Steph Curry's younger brother, who's also in his 30s, and the Anthony Melton off an ACL.
09:31So you're an older team.
09:33There's no blowing it up.
09:34And I do kind of agree with what Asante the God was saying about this team is just flawed.
09:39You don't have enough offense, and your DPOI guy is no longer DPOI.
09:44So you don't have enough defense either.
09:47So I don't know what the fix is.
09:49Where's this three-ball thing is not happening in the NBA anymore, he said.
09:55Oklahoma City shot more.
09:56What three-ball thing?
09:57Like teams making the three?
09:58Yeah, like he doesn't like the structure of the way the Warriors are playing offense.
10:02Too many three-balls.
10:03OKC shot more last night than the Warriors did.
10:04Right, the Celtics shoot about 55 a game.
10:07The best teams in the league are doing this.
10:09But I don't think the Warriors have the firepower to be a great three-point shooting team.
10:14And you don't have, if Jimmy Butler is going to take three shots in a game, then you don't
10:19have the ability to get the ball to your ISO guy.
10:22You're going to give it to JK and let him try and do his thing.
10:25But he's trying too hard right now.
10:27He's, again, he's playing outside of the construct of what the offense should be.
10:32So it's funny, when we see last night, we don't like the way the Warriors are playing.
10:36And then Draymond Green comes out and he's like, I don't like the way we're playing.
10:39Like the commitment to winning is right there.
10:41And we're like, Draymond, shut up.
10:43I just said, Draymond, shut up.
10:44Yeah, a lot of people are saying it.
10:46A lot of people are saying it.
10:47It's all over my board.
10:49It's all over the phone lines.
10:51Ah, let's go to Joe in San Jose, who says Dray needs to shut up.
10:54Hi, Joe.
10:56My man, Dibs, we're talking the same language, my friend.
11:00Here's the bottom line.
11:02Oh.
11:04Here's the bottom line.
11:05This guy keeps talking.
11:06He's talking about football.
11:08He's calling Dak Prescott a bum.
11:11He turns around the next day.
11:13He can't even play in the game.
11:15He's calling another guy a bum.
11:17Come on.
11:18Dray, shut up and play, my friend.
11:21Just play the game.
11:23Quit complaining about the kids that you couldn't coach over all these years.
11:28I don't like shut up and play.
11:29I really don't, Joe.
11:31It's a bit triggering.
11:32I really, really don't like it at all.
11:34So I'm just going to move on completely.
11:37Yeah, he can.
11:37I mean, he can talk.
11:39He will talk.
11:40I just would like to have this not be something that's coming out in game 12.
11:44That, to me, is not going to help a young player.
11:47If you are Jonathan Kaminga or if you're Brandon Pajemski and you're getting talked to behind
11:51closed doors and maybe you agree, maybe you disagree, and now it's coming out in a press
11:56conference, it's like, can't we just keep this in-house 12 games into it?
12:00I'll meet you in the middle.
12:01I'd rather it doesn't come out after 12 games, but I'm going to believe that the people who
12:07are the leaders in that building have a better finger on the pulse of when it needs to be
12:11said.
12:12Do you know what I mean?
12:13Like, what?
12:13How many games in?
12:15Hey, Grandy, do you have a date stamp on the Steve Kerr table tap pods thing that you
12:20just played?
12:21What was the date?
12:22That was March.
12:22I can figure it out.
12:23Okay, was that way later?
12:24I think it was pretty late.
12:25Really?
12:25I thought, I mean, that's my memory.
12:27I don't think it was this early, but I thought it was earlier than March.
12:30It was going to be December or January.
12:31Yeah, like, anyway, my point is, is like, this is their job, and they've done it really
12:36well through the years of knowing when to push a certain button, knowing when is the
12:42time to be like, we've talked, it's not getting through, we've got to try something different.
12:48These guys have done that really well.
12:50Dre did so, I thought, last night in a very measured way.
12:54Very measured.
12:54You know what I mean?
12:55No, he was very calm, cool, and collected.
12:57I heard him, and what I got from that is that he's kind of down, as he should be.
13:02They've lost five of seven.
13:04It was embarrassing.
13:05It was really embarrassing.
13:06They were probably you, and I know, we thought they were probably up for last night.
13:09You would figure, and they were.
13:11They took a two-point lead late in the first, and they were up for the fight, and they were
13:15in it.
13:15They were competing, they were in it, and then OKC went on like a 24-4 run or something,
13:21and it was night-night.
13:22And it's got to be frustrating for the veterans, because they used to be the team that did
13:26that to the other teams.
13:28Absolutely.
13:28And now the shoe's on the other foot.
13:30And Grandy was talking during the break about a cut.
13:32I don't know if you have it on your board about, you know, the age and the culture.
13:37About the thunder.
13:38For me, a big problem with this team is you have a bit of a culture clash where you've
13:43got Jimmy in his 30s with a wine cellar, Steph pushing 40 with four kids and a bunch of
13:49problems, Draymond Green's got a family, and then you've got the pups.
13:53Quentin Post.
13:54And Guy Santos and Pods and Kaminga.
13:57So you're probably on to something there.
13:59I do think that it's hard to have a unified locker room when you've got Al Horford at
14:0339, and you've got, you know, Pods at 21.
14:07Yeah, but sports is always kind of like that, right?
14:09Like, maybe to the degree where it's such a core, and it's so many guys, but there's
14:15always, right?
14:16Every locker room has got a Verlander and a Roop.
14:20Yeah.
14:20You know what I mean?
14:21You're going to have a 40 and a 20.
14:22A little different, though, with, I think, a hoops team, because it's such a small circle.
14:26And also, if you've got Al and Jimmy and Steph and Draymond, and they've got a combined
14:3160-whatever years in the association, a lot of that, you know, the unks, they're like,
14:36can't you guys just listen to us?
14:38We've been through it.
14:39Like, do as I tell you.
14:41Exactly.
14:42And, you know, the young guys are probably saying, nah, I'm pretty, I mean, I don't know
14:46if you saw, I had the ha-ha.
14:48I think, yeah, I think the old guys talk to the young guys the same way our group thread
14:54talks to you about your phone.
14:56Like, can you just not, can you just do?
14:58Yeah, you had to bring it to that.
14:59It has nothing to do with phones, it has to do with age.
15:02Just trying to put a smile on your face.
15:04And you did, and it reminds me of being in, like, playgroups with my daughter, because
15:09I'm a 57-year-old father of a 3-year-old, and there's these other people who are in
15:13their early 30s.
15:13They're all 32.
15:14Yeah.
15:14And so they're running around, you know, doing their thing, and, you know, I'm looking
15:18at them going, I wouldn't parent like that.
15:20And I've been through it, and there's a reason why your kid's a monster.
15:23They're like, but while you're over there, will you grab my daughter, because I'm sitting
15:26down right now.
15:27Honestly, here's the quote.
15:30Will you help me with my phone?
15:33Really quick, before you play it, the game, the day in which Steve Kerr called out Brandon
15:37Pajemski, saying he cannot beat that guy, that was after a January 3rd loss in Denver.
15:44Warriors had a lead in the fourth quarter.
15:45They ultimately lose by four points.
15:47Right there in the middle.
15:49Right there in the middle.
15:49Like, Pods, he had a weird year to start the first half of the year.
15:53He was really, remember, it was all sophomore slumpy.
15:56And so, yeah, and then it got better.
16:00It got better, but everything with him is always up and down.
16:03But anyway, here's what Draymond was saying about the Thunder.
16:05We have to like each other, which you can tell they love each other, which leads to all
16:09the magic.
16:10And you have to understand roles, which they definitely understand their roles.
16:16You know, they got their top dog.
16:17They got their number two.
16:19Everybody come in, they know their role.
16:20From Shea, no disrespect, tonight was the first time I seen 23, to Brooks.
16:26Everyone knows their role.
16:27And that's the way it has to be in order to win in this league.
16:32And they're doing that, man.
16:33They are a well-oiled machine.
16:35They kind of just plug and play, which is how we were during those times.
16:40You know, so it was very interesting to watch.
16:43But, you know, when you have a leader that has that commitment to excellence day in and
16:49day out that Shea does, everyone else has to fall in line.
16:52And they're doing that, and it's special to watch.
16:55They downed Lou Dort.
16:56They're downed J-Dub.
16:57They were downed Kenrick Williams.
16:59They were downed Aaron Wiggins, who I think is like their X Factor.
17:02And it didn't seem like they were downed anybody.
17:05You know, that's the level of excellence in order to reach the over and over again that
17:10you must have.
17:11And they got that.
17:11Face value, or I know where a lot of fans' minds automatically go.
17:17Are you basically saying they have that and we don't like each other?
17:23I think that that's what I took away from it.
17:25Not that they don't like each other, but I don't think that they have the same connection
17:31just yet.
17:32And I'm looking at their roster, and Alex Caruso is the oldest Thunder, and he is 31.
17:37And you get down to Kaysan Wallace, and he is just turned 22.
17:43So it's a nine-year gap where you can...
17:4531 is their oldest player, huh?
17:46Yeah.
17:47And you can all kind of relate, right?
17:49And meanwhile, you've got Horford and the OGs, the Unks, who are late 30s, and then you've
17:53got guys in their early 20s.
17:55Age is not everything.
17:56It ain't nothing but a number.
17:57Shout out to Leah.
17:58But I do think the culture of it, like, the most experienced player is Caruso.
18:03Eight years in, you've got Horford.
18:05Heck, he's been playing since you and I met 20 years ago.
18:09It's true.
18:10So I do think that there's a little bit more of the culture clash that's harder to fix.
18:14It's tricky.
18:15Yeah.
18:16We'll go back to the phones in a sec.
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18:54How about Jonathan in the city?
18:55Hey, Jonathan, thanks for the call.
18:57Hi.
18:59Hey, thanks for taking my phone call.
19:01Yeah.
19:02Yeah, for me, the bigger takeaway is the second part of the postgame.
19:08You know, that recognition, the way he sees the OKC.
19:12My ears really perked up when he said, you know, it's well documented in this station.
19:16I'm the biggest Draymond Green fan because I just value his basketball IQ that much.
19:21You know, the guy's really smart when it comes to basketball.
19:23And for him to talk about the OKC and recognize what he sees, kind of like the way I see it, too,
19:30is, you know, he sees the OKC like them in 2015, underway to their dynastic run.
19:36And what was the Warriors back then?
19:38Came from the owner's mouth himself.
19:41There were light years ahead.
19:43So, if that's OKC now, maybe Draymond Green is recognizing there's nothing we could do.
19:51Because, like you guys alluded to, Peruso's the oldest one.
19:54He's 31.
19:55And you see, like, everybody's in their 20s.
19:57And they go 12 deep.
19:59I mean, that 12 guy on the bench on OKC, he could be a starter with the Warriors.
20:03So, the Warriors, as currently constructed, I don't think there's a move they could do or do to compete with OKC.
20:12They are light years behind OKC.
20:15Jonathan, thanks.
20:16Listen, I don't really, I don't have, there's no shame in that.
20:21It's the natural way of the world.
20:23They are the defending champs.
20:25They have come of age.
20:27They did that last year.
20:29They are, as he said it, a well-oiled machine.
20:31I mean, I do think, like, there's a piece of it, I guess, where you're like, you have to really be an elder statesman in the league to just find a microphone and say it so comfortably.
20:42Because, you know what I mean?
20:43Like, if that were Jason Tatum, he would be like, there'd be like this competitive sort of like, but I got this.
20:50We got this.
20:51We're going to come for it.
20:52You know what I mean?
20:52And Draymond and Steph and Jimmy Butler are just comfortable being like, yeah, they're awesome.
20:59And this is all that they do.
21:01And it reminds me of the old us.
21:03And so, yeah, I get that that's a little triggering for all of us because it does sound like Draymond is just waxing poetic and living in the old days.
21:10I get that.
21:11I get that.
21:12But I don't, there's no shame.
21:14There's no like, uh-oh, our season's over because we played a game in Oklahoma City and it went really poorly.
21:20So that means that's the measuring stick.
21:22Good night.
21:23Thanks for coming.
21:24That's not how an NBA season goes.
21:26No, and I respect Draymond Green being so matter-of-fact about it.
21:30And he was talking about No. 23 for OKC, Brooks Barnheiser, second-round pick last year out of Northwestern.
21:37First time I've seen him, too.
21:38If you want to get frustrated about where OKC is and versus where the Warriors are, you could look at Poole and Wiseman and Kaminga and, you know, picks that have not worked out to the level that their picks have where you go through and they had Chet Holmgren and Jalen Williams.
21:54They had three first-round picks in 2022.
21:57So, and Jalen Williams.
21:59At some point, the Warriors are going to have to rebuild it.
22:01And if they do it OKC's way, you're going to have to hit on a bunch of picks.
22:05And it's going to take a while.
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