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00:00I tell you what I have heard that I would love to debunk,
00:03this idea that Draymond in some way yesterday was talking to the front office.
00:08See, here's the conspiracy theory.
00:10How would he be talking to the front office?
00:11You can't really make trades.
00:14Like the one guy that is rumored to be traded can't be traded for two more months.
00:18Not about trades.
00:19Here's one thing that I know I bet some of our listeners think,
00:23or at least they're open to, and I'll play it for you again,
00:26what Draymond Green said at the podium last night.
00:28But here's the concept.
00:30The idea is Joe Lacob made Steve Kerr start Jonathan Kaminga.
00:35He made him do that.
00:36Ah, I see. Okay.
00:37So now Steve Kerr has to start Jonathan Kaminga because he makes a lot of money now,
00:42and so he has to be in the starting lineup,
00:45and they have continued to keep him in the starting lineup,
00:48and Draymond is sitting there thinking, and Jimmy is sitting there thinking,
00:52boy, we won all those games last year with Jonathan not in the starting lineup.
00:56So why don't you go back to that starting lineup?
00:59But they haven't gone back to that starting lineup.
01:01So Draymond was talking to ownership and the front office with regard to,
01:06get your hands off of our starting lineup.
01:09Let us go back to what we know.
01:10By the way, that is absolutely unequivocally not what's going on.
01:15I would agree with that.
01:16And I know that actually for a fact.
01:18Right.
01:19That's not what he's talking about.
01:21When has Joe Lacob ever flexed that sort of a power play?
01:27And if he ever did, is Steve Kerr the kind of coach that you think would just,
01:31like, continue to roll along and go with it?
01:33That whole dynamic, I don't buy.
01:36I think that Draymond's message, and you've played it a couple times,
01:39and you'll play it again in a second, it was pretty direct to me when he adds in,
01:44yeah, and if you aren't able to change your agenda, then that's the times when people wind up elsewhere.
01:50And that's, you know, I'm thinking about Jordan Poole, and his agenda was,
01:54all right, I'm the third Splash Brother, and I'm going to show you that I can get 20 a night.
01:58And he did, and then the next year wasn't quite as good, and he got shipped out.
02:02I do think, you know what, I thought of Jordan Poole in all this,
02:05and I do think this is different, because let's be real, like,
02:08I thought the guys have done a great job throughout the summer as they came back.
02:12We didn't realize it at the time, because we're all barking about Jonathan Kaminga for so many months,
02:17but as they came back and really kind of told the story,
02:21and remember our conversation with Mark Spears, who did that whole story
02:25and got close to J.K. for just the situation that's been unfolding,
02:30and they will all tell the same story, that those older guys have really,
02:34they helped guide Jonathan through this.
02:36They helped keep him under their wing.
02:39They protected him.
02:40They advised him.
02:41They did not throw stress at him.
02:44They did not worry about what was going on.
02:46So I don't think that Jonathan Kaminga is wired like Jordan Poole.
02:51Jordan didn't deserve to be punched.
02:53I always need to get that out front, but I do think it was obvious that there was a dynamic
02:58at that time in the locker room where you had a young buck up and coming,
03:03and he really wanted a little bit bigger slice of the pie,
03:06and he wanted to tell everybody about it, and Steph and Draymond, and at that time,
03:12Klay Thompson were not in the mood for it.
03:14They were not in the mood for it, and it created a dynamic between everybody
03:19that then bubbled completely out of control in one practice.
03:23I don't see that here.
03:24I actually would see Pods being more like that than Jonathan Kaminga,
03:29because Pods is the one who uttered the phrase,
03:31I want to be better than Steph Curry, which is hysterical.
03:34Right.
03:34But, you know, it's also like so laughable that in a way it's easier to dismiss.
03:40It's just whatever, dude.
03:41Okay.
03:42No, you can want that.
03:43You can be better than Steph Curry.
03:44I want Joe Buck's job.
03:46Yeah.
03:46And, yeah, I don't like my trajectory.
03:49I don't like my chances at 57, but we can all have our wants and our career goals
03:54and all the rest of it.
03:54I just look at the last handful of games, and J.K. has been playing more like last year
04:00than this year, but the real other part of it is that,
04:04everybody has been playing pretty much poorly.
04:07Steph sat three games, and last night was not good.
04:10Jimmy Butler took three shots.
04:12And, by the way, I almost nailed my take it to the bank prediction.
04:15He had eight free throw attempts, and Shea had also eight.
04:19My prediction was that Jimmy would shoot more free throw attempts.
04:22Tough break.
04:23It's a tough break.
04:24It was a push, but Jimmy wound up only taking three shots.
04:28And I know he only played 20 or so minutes, but by and large,
04:31the whole team over the past week and a half has been bad.
04:35They can't defend.
04:36You don't have that many two-way players.
04:39You've got five or six guys who are good on one end of the floor
04:42and really bad on the other end.
04:44All right.
04:44Let me throw it this way.
04:46I want to play it again.
04:48And we're going to reopen the lines here at 888-957-9570.
04:52And I want to know, because I don't think you all feel this way,
04:56but I do think some of you feel this way.
04:58And you sort of, I don't know, you were dancing maybe in this neighborhood,
05:02this area code a little bit ago.
05:05Draymond's accountability.
05:06All right.
05:06That's one aspect of it.
05:09Guru, for instance, was like, I don't like that he's doing this 12 games in.
05:13Let me play this again, and I want to say something about it.
05:18Here's Draymond Green.
05:19The question's coming from Anthony Slater last night.
05:21What do you think is the biggest difference between the way you ended last season
05:25once Jimmy got here and what's going on right now?
05:28I think everybody was committed to winning and doing that in any way possible.
05:33And right now, it doesn't feel that way.
05:36Personal agenda type stuff?
05:37Or like, you know, I mean, I guess how was you kind of?
05:40I think everyone has a personal agenda in this league.
05:43But you have to make this personal agenda work in the team confines.
05:47And if it doesn't work, then you kind of got to get rid of your agenda.
05:50Or eventually the agenda is the cause of someone getting rid of you.
05:54And so I think you don't want a team with no personal agendas
05:58because a goal is an agenda, you know?
06:01And so you got to have some type of personal agenda.
06:04But like I said, your personal agenda must fit into the confines of the team.
06:09And then he goes on and, yeah, he's talking about the fact that if it doesn't fit in,
06:14then that can be why a team ends up getting rid of you.
06:18I got a question, especially those of you who are done with Draymond, sick of Draymond,
06:24Draymond's one to talk.
06:26Actually, Draymond is one to talk.
06:29And I will forever...
06:30He's really good at it.
06:31I will.
06:31But he's not just good at it.
06:33He has the freaking resume.
06:36Why don't all of you, I would expect all of you to believe him.
06:40Why?
06:42Why?
06:43Like, what on earth do you think of it?
06:45Why would Draymond do that and, quote, be either out of line, out of pocket, off the mark?
06:53Why on earth, in this town, after this many years and this many rings, would you not trust
07:01that man to tell everybody what's wrong with the team?
07:07Why?
07:08I'm not saying that what he's saying is incorrect.
07:11I just always bristle when you point the finger.
07:15And when you point the finger, you got three fingers pointing back at yourself.
07:18And, to me, it's a much better message delivered when you include yourself as part of the problem.
07:24And when I hear that again, he's not intimating in any way that his agenda is an issue.
07:31Because he said it.
07:32Everybody's got an agenda.
07:33And I do find it interesting that Anthony Slater said personal agendas.
07:38Sounded to me like Anthony had had an off-the-record conversation with somebody.
07:42And that word had been used as maybe a symptom of what a problem could be.
07:48Because Anthony's follow-up was really sharp.
07:51And Draymond's response was almost like, yeah, I was waiting for you to use the A-word.
07:55Well, except for, I do think we're losing sight a little bit of where this conversation started.
08:00The personal agenda thing is the headline.
08:02That's not where it started.
08:03And probably shouldn't be.
08:05Well, it started with last year, guys were more sold out to win.
08:08Committed to winning.
08:10So, if you want Draymond Green to take some sort of accountability or start with himself,
08:15that sounds to me like you believe that Draymond Green does not have a full-level commitment to winning right now.
08:21And I think that that's crazy.
08:22Well, does he?
08:23Yes!
08:23He's Draymond flipping green.
08:25Sure.
08:26And you're out there and you're not playing great.
08:28And so you can be committed to winning.
08:30Who's not committed to winning right now?
08:32And nobody's asking you to play perfect.
08:34He's not asking that of himself.
08:35They're not asking that of Jonathan, Brandon, Trace, Quentin, or anyone else.
08:39Jimmy?
08:40No one's asking for that.
08:41That's not possible.
08:42It doesn't exist.
08:44You're allowed to miss shots.
08:45You're allowed to have a rough game.
08:47You're absolutely allowed to do all those things.
08:49They all say Buddy Heald is one of their favorite teammates of all time.
08:53He screws up every single night.
08:56Is he committed to winning right now?
08:57I think that they believe so.
08:59I mean, he didn't say who is committed and who has an agenda and all the rest of it.
09:04Commitment to winning is not about perfect performance.
09:07No, it's about effort.
09:08Yes.
09:09It's about energy.
09:10And it's about mainly defense and rebounding and other competitive things.
09:14And strategy.
09:14And strategy, like fitting into the approach of what we're all doing here.
09:19You know what I mean?
09:19Like this is how we are going to get to where we want to go.
09:23You don't need to make all the shots, but we all need to play the same way.
09:28This is really what they've been begging, for example, of Jonathan for four years.
09:35It's interesting the way you put that.
09:36Have they not?
09:37Well, last year when you get Jimmy Butler, you're 26-26, and you've got 30 to go.
09:43And like you like to say, it's time to boogie.
09:46And so you've got 30 games.
09:48You can be motivated.
09:49J.K. missed about half of them with the ankle.
09:51And so when he came back, maybe he didn't fit whatever.
09:54That's ancient history.
09:55But it was easier to, with 30 games to go and a new shiny piece, it was easier to be
10:01motivated to win than right now.
10:04And I see this team, all of them, they don't have that same commitment as a team because
10:08it's November.
10:09Well, see, here's what I would say about that, though.
10:12They've spoke a lot coming into this season about not being in the same trap they were
10:17in last year.
10:18They don't want to have to boogie so hard and play so hard, which look what that led to.
10:23They played wonderful basketball, and they still ended up in the play-in tournament.
10:28Right?
10:29They don't want to do that again.
10:30And one could argue, I don't know if I can, there's no sort of like, you know, winning
10:37argument here for sure, but I know plenty of people feel like if you didn't have to push
10:42so hard throughout the end of the season and push so hard to beat Houston in seven games,
10:50would Steph Curry have gotten hurt?
10:52I don't know.
10:53You'll never know.
10:54There's no way to firm that up, but you get what I'm saying.
10:57Totally.
10:57They don't want to do that this year.
11:00So it's not okay to cruise through November and December and January and find yourself
11:05at 500 in February, and there isn't going to be a shiny new object this year, unless
11:10they have to trade Jonathan Kaminga, which I think that they would actually...
11:13And your tradometer has skyrocketed in the last week.
11:16No doubt.
11:16But I don't think they want to do that if he'll play like he was playing in the first five
11:20games.
11:20And that's what we said early on.
11:22Like, if you're going to trade for a guy, you're going to trade for a guy who's getting
11:25you 16 and 8, and that's what he was doing.
11:27So is it the dog days of the early season and this road trip?
11:31I don't see...
11:32And I go back to the Portland game where, okay, it's a scheduled loss.
11:36Third game in four nights.
11:37Now on this road trip, you've got a back-to-back tonight.
11:40You've got a back-to-back in Florida.
11:41There's going to be nights where you are kind of just flat, and the early schedule is brutal.
11:47But the fact that he came out now and said what he said, that to me speaks to a deeper
11:52issue than just a rugged schedule.
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12:14How about Chris in San Jose?
12:15Hey, Chris, thanks for calling.
12:16What you got?
12:18Hey, what's going on, guys?
12:19Just want to touch on this Draymond thing real quick.
12:22You know, Willard, I know you kind of, you have a very unique way of spinning things,
12:27and, you know, I've referred to it as the devil's advocate before, and you made a comment
12:32a few minutes ago about Draymond and how, well, that doesn't sound like he's, you know,
12:38not saying he's dedicated to winning, da-da-da-da-da.
12:41Let me ask you this.
12:42Chris, when you enter an NBA season and you have aspirations to make one more title run,
12:50you know, for Steph, Dray, Jimmy, all these guys, do you think a guy is dedicated to winning
12:55when they come into the season, game one, overweight and out of shape?
12:59Just after a general question, yes or no?
13:02I would argue...
13:04It's a loaded question, but just to speak generally?
13:07No, I'd argue no.
13:08No, the answer would be no, Chris, but it's a faulty premise.
13:12It's a faulty premise.
13:13All right, well, I hear you.
13:16You almost went into that devil's advocate thing I was talking about right there.
13:19No, you're...
13:20Hey, Chris, Chris, dog, you're in the spin zone.
13:23You're in the spin zone more than I am right now.
13:25Come on, come on.
13:27Accountability.
13:28I'll try to wrap it up real quick.
13:29I'll try to wrap it up real quick, then.
13:31Speaking of accountability and stuff, I think there's always a time and place for anything,
13:35sports, you know, workplace, whatever.
13:37You know, the time and the place to blame others is not when you have 4,003 points.
13:44That's not the time.
13:45You know, he talks about personal agendas.
13:47You mean like last year when you were talking to the media nonstop about how you wanted to
13:51win defensive player of the year?
13:53He was, you know, and finished third.
13:54He was nowhere near the top three defensive player last year.
13:58He was terrible for 50 games, then started talking about himself to the media.
14:02I just think with Draymond, right, you know, he says this.
14:06He talks about everybody else, you know, a few days ago.
14:09He talks about the defense not playing well.
14:11It's like, dude, what about you?
14:13You are getting cooked by people.
14:16Meanwhile, on the offensive end, you will.
14:18Yes, sir.
14:18Yeah, Chris, he said every, he admitted everyone's got a personal agenda.
14:23It needs to fit into the team.
14:25Him having an agenda of DPOY, whether he got it or not, wherever he ranked, that fits into
14:32the team.
14:32Does it not?
14:33That's what I, like, I don't find.
14:35This is not Draymond pointing at someone and being like, you're awful, get on the bus.
14:41He's just like, again, this whole concept for Jonathan and Brandon is, if you guys want
14:47to be great players, that's fine.
14:50Let's be great.
14:51But you need to do it within the Warriors.
14:54That's, that's all.
14:55I mean, to me, that's all anybody is saying.
14:57No, I hear what you're saying.
15:00And I, and I get it.
15:01And, you know, Steph Curry's really never been that vocal leader that Draymond has to
15:05be, you know, Draymond kind of has to pipe up and, you know, rally the troops at times.
15:09And I, and I understand that side of it.
15:11It's just, for me, it's like, dude, like, I'm in a place and you're going to say all
15:17of that and, you know, kind of hint that the younger guys need to assimilate better into
15:21the team and do this.
15:22It's like, at some point, you got to be honest with yourself, too.
15:26And I mean, you know, he, a few days ago, talking about the defense, everything like
15:31that.
15:31It's like, dude, you're, you're getting annihilated on the defensive end.
15:35You offer no spacing.
15:36I guess my quick point, and then I'll hop off.
15:40Draymond, for my money, right?
15:42He's always been tied directly to Steph.
15:44He wants to talk about leadership, blah, blah, blah.
15:46How about you step up and play when Steph's sick and not playing?
15:50Why does your playing schedule always have to be directly tied to his?
15:53Oh, it's because maybe deep down inside, you know that you're just kind of a run-of-the-mill
15:58dude without Steph running things offensively.
16:01You just look for Steph and Clay back in the day on every single half-court offensive set
16:05and try to sit here and lie to us like you're a playmaker.
16:08I think you're being kind of dismissive of Draymond Green, Chris.
16:12Yeah, I think you're being kind of dismissive of somebody who's going to...
16:14By the point, to an extent, because a lot of times when Steph is out, then Draymond also
16:20is out.
16:20No, that's fair.
16:21And Draymond is at his best when he's with Steph, and you could say that about a majority
16:24of guys on the court.
16:26Also a team decision.
16:27It is, sure.
16:28Well, it's a team decision, but tonight Draymond's going to play, even if the team and Steve Kerr
16:34already intimated that he's banged up.
16:36And so, you know, we're really not sure about the second half of this back-to-back.
16:40And so, yeah, I do think what he said about Draymond's defense is accurate.
16:44He doesn't have the same ability to guard one through five, which is a unicorn thing.
16:48It's a unicorn thing.
16:51He doesn't have that same ability.
16:52He's 35 years old.
16:53Right.
16:54But you love to say defense is complimentary.
16:56It is.
16:57So if everybody's sucking, Draymond's going to look worse.
16:59I'd never ask him to guard Nikola Jokic by himself and just win that battle.
17:04Chris said he offers no spacing.
17:06He's got the best three-point percentage on the team, 44.2%.
17:10Which is the same as his free-throw percentage, by the way.
17:13Unfortunate, yeah.
17:14But, like, let's not say he's not offering spacing because he's knocking down threes.
17:18And my larger question is not, I'm not here to tell you he looks great this year.
17:23I am here to wonder why in the hell this fan base doesn't trust that Draymond Green has
17:28his finger on the pulse of the team.
17:29It's not about trust.
17:31It is.
17:31No, it's not, Mark.
17:32He's talking about a commitment to winning.
17:34But he's talking about other people.
17:36He's not talking about himself.
17:38And that is my issue.
17:39He's committed to winning.
17:40And he's proven that.
17:41He's not committed to winning.
17:42How is he not committed?
17:42He's not playing the minutes he normally plays.
17:44He's turning the ball over a ton.
17:46He's not playing the defense he used to play.
17:48So, I mean, you could talk about commitment and agenda all you want.
17:52You keep going to stats.
17:52You're not playing very well.
17:54You keep going to stats.
17:55I'm going to the fact they've lost five of seven.
17:57Yes.
17:57And none of them has been very good.
17:59And so when you come out as a leader, you use words like we and us instead of agendas
18:04and guys getting shipped out of town.
18:06He literally was asked who he was talking about, and he said everyone.
18:08He said that.
18:09That's a quote.
18:10Yeah.
18:10He did not say himself.
18:12He did not say I or we.
18:14Everyone.
18:14And then he talked about, oh, if you don't change your agenda, that's how you get shipped out
18:18of town.
18:18So many of you hate.
18:19Is he getting shipped out of town?
18:20So many of you hate Draymond Green?
18:22Don't put words in my mouth.
18:23I'm not.
18:23I've never said that I hate Draymond Green.
18:25My view of you after talking to you for four years, you do not like him.
18:29It doesn't mean that I hate him.
18:31Okay, fine.
18:31I like the way he plays when he's at his best, but I don't like the way he leads.
18:35This is not leadership.
18:37Most disliked four-time champion future Hall of Famer in the history of sports.
18:41Why is that, you think?
18:42I don't know.
18:43Yeah.
18:44It's pretty easy to see.
18:46Doesn't bother me.
18:48Right.
18:48Other things bother you.
18:49Yes.
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