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00:00the bio in this bio that they sent me it says polaroids are groupies that make a biker blush
00:04well i'm a biker i've seen i've seen polaroids so are you looking at them right now well we're
00:09bikers too okay yeah uh but uh yeah hey polaroids were the de rigueur back in the day they were i
00:16don't know why they're so sexy but they kind of are rock metal frog and everything in between
00:22welcome to this episode of talking rock with meltdown don't forget to follow the audio only
00:28talking rock podcast on all podcast platforms and now it's time for today's conversation here's
00:34meltdown back good to see i guess uh gunner's on his way huh yeah it's okay i've been carrying him
00:40for years man i'm i can handle this i'm gonna call i'm going solo and calling it half nelson
00:45yeah not to be confused with uh anything from the world of wrestling but uh yeah so the
00:51autobiography is coming out what happened to your hair that comes out on december 16th and i mean
00:56this is kind of a question for both you guys but since he's not here you can answer so why why now
01:01well you know we just got that question why not no uh it's it's because honestly we really just
01:07didn't feel it was time yet and we hadn't lived enough life really to say we're going to write our
01:12book you know uh we're not getting any younger we have a lot of stories to tell and it was just
01:17there were so many people at our concerts which we uh at a lot of our shows we'll we'll tell a story
01:22behind a song or we'll talk about an anecdote that led up to something or somebody we met along
01:28the way and we just had too many people saying you guys need to write a book you know we always stay
01:33after shows and meet people sometimes two three hours after shows now it's kind of fun and that
01:39seemed to kept keep coming up and i think the the real driver for this if i'm going to be 100
01:43honest dana strum dana strum dana strum is a friend of ours and he was the guy that said listen i'm
01:53going to tell you the obvious but i keep hearing you guys telling stories about you guys need to
01:57write a damn book write a book and so then it came down to what kind of a book we're going are we
02:03going to write because there are two of us which is a very interesting concept of how to do it so we
02:07split up stories and chapters we wrote it under duress because we had somebody that we were
02:12involved with on the book this is not a ghost written book we wrote this book and uh we had
02:19three and a half weeks to complete 500 pages and 53 chapters so we were very very busy and i think
02:26that's why the we were so punchy from being so tired that that's the tone of the book it's just
02:31irreverent and funny and we mess with ourselves which is easy to do and we tell stories warts and all
02:37that is you know definitely a gen x book for gen xers you know it's not candy coated and it's not
02:43bubble wrapped and it's i think a great way of letting people know who we are that's the only
02:48frustration we've had is unless you've like had a conversation with us like this you really don't
02:52know what makes us tick and we kind of got tired of feeling like we were guilty until proven innocent
02:57so we wrote it down uh that's a lot to unpack right there so i know dana strong pretty well and i guess
03:03i guess so now he's he's credited with uh getting randy rhodes and ozzy's band and getting you guys to
03:08write a book yeah you know he was he was telling us a lot about that that ozzy thing and of course we're
03:15very good friends with mark slaughter we we wrote a song with mark it was on an album we put out a few
03:20years ago that wound up just being on the peacemaker the john cena show on hbo james gunn the director is a
03:26huge fan of ours we didn't know that he scouted us at a show to see if we could still sing and looked
03:31okay and then put us in um this episode called full nelson he wrote an episode about the finale of
03:37the peacemaker on hbo with a song we co-wrote with mark called to get back to you and it was amazing he
03:43said that was his favorite song so we got a chance to actually collaborate with mark a long time ago and
03:48now the song has been released it's a current release on universal they're pushing it so who knows but
03:55there's always some kind of like a little thing there you know our drummer bobby rock
03:58and nelson from back in the day he was in the vinnie vincent invasion with mark slaughter and
04:02dana strung yeah so they they you know they factioned off they wanted bobby in their band uh
04:07you know of course slaughter and he chose to play with us and it's kind of neat we all we all know each
04:14other we all get along and we're just happy when everybody catches a lick yeah mark's a good friend
04:19of mine too as is uh brad gillis he wanted to know if he was related to you guys and if he is
04:23is he the red-headed stepchild that's what you wanted me to ask you oh you know since we've been
04:27playing a lot of shows with night ranger and i've been hanging out with brad a little bit um i love
04:31that guy you know we're we we actually kind of do look a little related he's just from the scottish
04:36part of the nelsons you know we're the swedes but you know we're all fair-haired and we got to watch
04:40the sun right yeah i know brad's great i i texted him i saw that you guys were you know went out with
04:45them and stuff and yeah you know um i was gonna i want to ask both you guys about this but uh you know
04:50let's take it back to the to the 90s i mean you guys released that debut record and then
04:53grunge just comes around i'm sure you talk about that in the book right oh yeah we we have we have
04:59an amazing story about what it was like being at dgc records which was nirvana's label we were the
05:06first band that actually broke through on uh david geffen company was the offshoot of the main geffen
05:11label and uh we were out on the road playing arenas and then we showed up at the office and
05:18everybody was 20 years old and wearing flannel and we were relics and at the ripe old age of 23
05:24so that's just how it was but uh it made it into the book in a lot of different ways i've got multiple
05:30chapters on what it was like for the rise and then the immediate fall off the cliff at uh at the label
05:36and how mtv changed everything overnight and it was definitely not an organic thing um not to take
05:42anything away from nirvana they were just the right band to kind of break over that i think
05:46the there was a big glut of of mediocre bands and it just needed a reset it's kind of like what
05:52happened with you know donna summer when she was making disco records it cost them millions of
05:57dollars to make these bloated records and somebody discovered punk rock and said if you throw them a
06:02happy meal and get them strung out they'll do anything you know it's just it's a rock and roll
06:06recipe that works so we found ourselves men without a country for about five years we were stuck on that
06:12deal they wouldn't let us go because we'd told too many records but they weren't going to
06:15promote us so we went on auto flush and in the frustration of that we formed our own thing we
06:20put a label together again another friend of mine chips enough talk to me about independent labels when
06:25nobody was really doing them and so we started stone canyon records and started releasing product not
06:32only that we we just vowed to never do an actual record deal record deal like we had back in the day
06:37we did joint ventures where we owned the masters there was a reversion clause and we just got into the
06:41business of it because there was nothing worse than being signed to a bad deal you know back when
06:46we were you know everybody was trying to get that elusive record deal and gunner and i started
06:50a decade before anybody thought we did we always lumped in with the hair bands but we were playing
06:54you know kind of punk and new wave music in clubs and we're like 12 in la so we weren't really a part
07:00of that whole gazzaris thing we were all about songs and it was kind of neat the journey on that but
07:05yeah we write about it in uh in the book we love it what happened to your hair that's the title of
07:09the book and uh it's on amazon pre-order right now it's doing really well actually so i think people
07:14want to the question once you get past why did you write a book now the fact is people are they're
07:19buying it so that's good yeah it comes out december 16th and uh yeah chip another guy i know very well i
07:25should have been texting all those guys instead of uh brad gillis i suppose oh chip is awesome i just
07:30talked to him last week he actually did a i i he wrote something for our book and he uh we just
07:37we just ran out of room man it was a good story it involved um it involved groupies and a fruit tray
07:43but um that's for the part two i've heard many stories from chip about groupies and whatever you
07:51know but uh yeah i just saw him a couple weeks ago as a matter of fact but uh yeah you guys uh if i
07:55if i recall correctly did you guys play saturday night live once or twice once we did it once yeah
08:01we did saturday night live once and we we did like a walk-on on letterman but it was uh it's in the
08:07book too um we were the only unsigned band to play snl we had actually booked the show at an uh weird
08:14time we were catching a buzz in la in the clubs and uh our father had an accident and died and we still
08:20we had the booking but we decided to do it uh regardless we were kind of a mess and gunner
08:25actually was playing drums he was a great drummer gunner was like a savant drummer in the clubs when
08:30he was really little and uh we showed up and i talk about this uh the host the host was um an
08:38interesting host that week let's just say this our mother she was a free spirit and she had um
08:44boyfriends let's just put it that way while she was married to our dad and
08:47one of them turned out to be ron reagan jr and uh you know uncle ron and uh we hadn't seen him in
08:56years or whatever and we we showed up for the first day of rehearsal only us right uh first day of
09:03rehearsal and guess who the host of the show is that week uncle ron so uh only us man i'm telling
09:11you that's why we had to write a book is stories like that it's like that was that was a very awkward
09:16situation you know what i mean so yeah you know it's so funny because you know you the circles
09:22that your parents it's funny i was i was you know you know doing research and and you know looking
09:27you guys up and stuff saying and there's a picture of your dad that pops up on my feed it's like the
09:31algorithm with uh with eddie money or something like that it's just so weird how this world works
09:35nowadays right but i mean the the circles that you guys ran in you must have run into people that you
09:40knew at every turn right pretty much you know we we talk about that by the way did i lose
09:45film or are you seeing me on this thing because somebody just called me i can't see me yeah i
09:50heard it i heard it buzzing but you're still fine yeah you're fine oh you can see me okay good
09:54all right um yeah we when gun and i grew up we always joke and say it was a completely normal
10:00childhood and the fact everybody was famous we just didn't know that there was a big thing about
10:04being famous you know to us uncle george was uncle george our neighbor turned out to be george harrison
10:10and uh the homeless guy in the living room was bob dylan you know that was just normal for us i mean
10:17our pop was so uh he was he was so famous well sorry my dog's freaking out that's walter by the way
10:25walter is a very popular little dude on the internet uh every time we post a video and put walter in it
10:31it's a whole lot more views he's much bigger than we are um i got her just got home as you can tell
10:36uh but you know it was for us yeah there were a lot of quote famous people around but one thing we
10:42kind of noticed at least when we were growing up is it's just how it was in the late 60s early 70s in
10:47la you know everybody seemed to sing and play music um you know everybody knew everybody i mean
10:55i just um we're pretty tight with carny and wendy wilson brian wilson's daughters and
11:00actually had a hit record with them a couple years ago and apparently we had swimming classes
11:05with them when we were kids you know it's just everybody had kids and everybody hung out with
11:09everybody you know there's there's somebody else in here right now good to see you too no there's
11:17walter too you know it's it's funny uh both you guys here now um i don't know if you know this or
11:23not or if they told you but uh your aunt was a big part of this radio station's history that i'm on did
11:29you know that oh did she do the thing with the lips the the yeah okay got it that's it yeah no
11:34i've seen those commercials and everybody ripped those things off i think actually actually one of
11:40my ex-girlfriends became that that girl later on really yeah simba smith was no kidding yeah
11:46and she did it for other radio stations across the country no no no just your station i think that
11:52i think that oh it was like a retro commercial thing i believe because i remember seeing that but i
11:57remember aunt kelly showed me those commercials they're you can see them on youtube they're
12:01they're everywhere yeah so uh i just celebrated my 30th anniversary here and that was before i got
12:06here that's a good gig you got there brother 30 years that's awesome yeah so yeah i was playing you
12:12guys uh in buffalo when i uh first got into radio so what is what is like one of the essential both
12:17here now what are some of the biggest misconceptions that that people have about you guys uh well that music
12:23was a hobby to us that were trust fund kids that it was easy um i get that we're uh that gunner's a
12:30nice guy that we're the olsen twins um we're not hansen we're nelson there's a lot of stuff you know
12:36yeah i think you know when you meet people that uh you hang out with them and stuff and at the end
12:42of that they go wow you're you're really you're really nice guy it's like thanks what did you get
12:47what does that mean i was like well i thought you guys were going to be dicks you know you know
12:51honestly i think um we know what it's like to kind of feel as guilty until proven innocent
12:56you know and admittedly we were a lot you know when we came out with the image and all that stuff
13:01and the twin thing and the long hair and all that you know our whole goal was to be noticed i mean
13:05we're talking from an era now where you got 125 000 songs dropped every single day and you know
13:14you gotta you gotta stand out a little bit so our whole thing was love us or hate us you're gonna
13:17know who we are and boy did that one work you know um but past that point it was really more
13:23of like an introduction like grandma harriet always said you know your name and your image
13:28and all that stuff that can get your foot in the door but it's really your talent that's going to
13:30keep you in the room and here we are we've been doing this for a long long time and that's all we
13:35ever wanted to do is make music together well as i was talking about with matthew before you got
13:39here gunner it's like uh you guys may have had all the talent in the world but once that grunge train
13:43came around it's like it locked up a lot of people off the track yeah you know kind of made
13:47things difficult you know the thing was is that it was really less even than uh of a of a musical
13:53style difference to a philosophical difference you know our whole thing was like we come from an era
13:58where we always found the silver lining in everything you know everybody was living on a
14:02prayer on a wednesday on a thursday they were smelling like teen spirit and they felt like the world owed
14:06them and we've never felt that way before you know we've never been entitled people and we've
14:13you know always just kind of like had a vision of what we wanted to do and worked really hard to do
14:16it and you know for us because we had to kind of prove ourselves at radio and go across the country
14:22and play acoustic guitar and sing and do the whole thing uh just to kind of prove that we were legit
14:27you know it really served us because that's how we always started out that's how we started writing
14:32our music and and doing that is translating with an acoustic and the voices and so you know honestly
14:39here we are just being able to to write and play and sing but we always know that's really our core
14:43and it kind of like transcends all the musical styles and tastes and and all that stuff and it's
14:49really helped us develop our own unique voice throughout all the years i think so too the other
14:52thing too is you mentioned nirvana i kind of forgot about this you know um i i was friendly with
14:58one of the guys in the band he's been made a full member of the foo fighters uh rami jaffe he was in
15:03the wallflowers who played keyboards and he found out that gunner and i were in town i reached out to
15:08him we were playing in baltimore and he said oh i'm here i'm playing with dave we're opening this big
15:12thing you know dave growl was from from baltimore he invited us to the show long and short of it was he
15:17came to get us and huge place sold out and we wound up in their dressing room with just them i mean
15:23the door opened and there we are and it's just the band and you know taylor was still around and
15:27gunner i talked to everybody everybody couldn't have been cooler and at the very end of this you
15:32know i noticed that pat smear was kind of sneering at us from across the the hallway and he kind of
15:37walked slowly up to me he said i know you and i said hi pat how are you he goes yeah i'm pat smear i
15:43said yeah i know pat he said no you don't know this he said i was in a band called the germs i said yep i
15:49know that he said no we knew you guys your band the strange agents this is in the late 80s
15:57early 90s you were playing at madame wong's chinatown and we were across the alleyway at
16:03hong kong cafe the punk club we'd all heard about your band we all wanted to see your band and we
16:09couldn't because it wasn't cool for punkers to hang out with new wavers but i just want you to know that
16:13we knew about you guys i was like well that made the whole thing worth it so it's weird how we were
16:17kids it's weird how it came completely full circle you know and we had a good laugh over that too but
16:24you know honestly to have nelson in a room with the the remnants of nirvana you know we can all
16:33get along it's just music man you know we all say what we say it's in different ways and you know
16:39the fact is i think after you've been doing this for as long as we have you're right i think when
16:43you said earlier you guys have probably met everybody we really have i mean in our book we've
16:47got pictures of us hanging out with guys like david crosby and you know uh all the the older guys that
16:53were kind of our mentors and you know you got people that are we're still producing young
16:57artists now so i think that's the thing that's cool about music is as long as what you say even
17:02if it's writing a hit pop song because that was kind of gunner and my goal is to actually have hit
17:07records um whatever you're doing as long as it's honest it's cool you know it doesn't have to be the
17:12same style just as long as you're honest now you talk about going to a place to see the foo fighters
17:17when you guys walk in there you must be recognized by tons of people right yeah um it's really it
17:24really depends you know it's really more of a generational thing i think so too yeah i mean
17:28it was funny i went to my hoa today to try to get a key to get into the gym and the girl behind the
17:32desk she was uh well she's a woman she said oh my gosh i uh i thought it was you uh i'm such a huge
17:39fan from back in the day and um uh you guys still playing music and that's the thing is like we never
17:44stopped the only difference was we just aren't on mtv all the time but then again mtv isn't mtv
17:50anymore so it's a different era yeah i was talking about this with uh before like you know brad gillis
17:56told me the story about how they got big because at the time when they were around mtv didn't have
18:00many videos to choose from but you guys became like mtv stars just because the songs and everything else
18:06right well you know he doesn't talk about the fact that man we tell him when we do gigs with
18:11night ranger it was that video for don't tell me you love me yeah you're right they were like
18:15there were like 10 videos when mtv first came out matthew and i were old enough to remember that was
18:19that whole 24 hours a day all music only music thing that bait and switch they did before they
18:24went to game shows and uh me mom um but i'm aria yeah but i remember remember man that the train
18:30tracks and that video i was like man that looks great matt and i were doing our club band at the time
18:35and we wanted to do what those guys were doing at their level and and now we get to play shows with
18:40them which is really cool but you're right mtv was the world's biggest radio station basically
18:45and at that time you could park it on there with your friends all weekend and have that playing in
18:50the background and have videos playing and doing all that you know our break came actually from us
18:54doing a stint hosting we were pinch hitting for daisy fuentes who was a vj wow and they flew us uh it was
19:01before our album was released they flew us to new york uh our manager at the time who managed
19:06cinderella knew somebody at mtv and they were looking for a host and he talked them into letting
19:12us do it and they said whatever you do don't bring any guitars so of course we brought guitars and uh
19:18they did a countdown show called dial mtv and they filmed all the shows over a three-day period and so
19:25we did all these bumpers and stuff and i grabbed a guitar and started playing uh between and gunner and
19:31i would sing a little bit and then we'd go and so we're doing the countdown show every day and we
19:36filmed the friday show at the end of thursday and they didn't tell us but apparently this was a real
19:44dial-in show people used to pick up their phone and call in and vote for videos our first single
19:50the first video debuted that friday and it debuted at number one so it just came out of the pipe huge and
19:58we just went from we thought we were ready for it but having that kind of you know it was like the
20:03world's longest overnight success because we've been working at this for years you know gunner even
20:07had to come off of one instrument and learn how to play guitar and and spend years doing that before
20:13we were ever writing our own songs traveling the world doing that so it looked like it happened
20:17overnight but i'll tell you what we really didn't expect it to explode like that and we had uh let me
20:22see love and affection went number one on the billboard hot 100 after the rain went number six
20:26uh uh let me see more than ever went uh what was it i think 12 and only time will tell was number 18
20:33i mean we had we had some pretty big songs on that first album but you ever feel like you're being
20:37watched yeah dog look at him he's just staring at you hey buddy i wonder who gives the dog the food
20:43yeah that's me you know right exactly hey so even even growing up with all sorts of celebrities and
20:48stuff were you guys ready to become celebrities like that so quickly well it's great social proof around
20:53us you know we're growing up and everybody seemed to be harmonizing and writing songs and playing
20:57guitar and having a lot of success so are you ready for the fame that's what he's saying
21:01because i'll be honest i was ready for the work but i don't think i don't i think we really
21:07underestimated what it was like and what it was able to be like back then it's different now i'm
21:11just gonna say this we thought we were because we grew up with our dad who was arguably one of the
21:14most famous people in the world like in the 50s it was him and elvis i mean massively you know he sold
21:18half a billion records in his career so he was uh he was a juggernaut and he had a career that
21:25lasted decades but so we thought you know he can kind of keep it together he wasn't perfect but he
21:30did a pretty good job he remained being a really good person and very sweet person all the way till
21:34we lost him so gunner and i thought well we've got uh we got big shoes to fill but we've seen it
21:39happen before and we know that it's possible i'll be honest with you looking back on it we truly needed
21:44each other just to kind of keep keep our minds around it you're nobody can be prepared for one
21:51day going to a shopping mall we write about this in the book to get socks and underwear nobody wants
21:56to help you get what you need or anything people are just not paying attention to you and the next
22:00week after being on that mtv show you go in and you have your very first autograph signing at an
22:07in-store uh for records at licorice pizza and three layers of the the same exact mall that you're in
22:14the week before are completely filled with screaming girls it sounds like a jet engine
22:18and the cops have to come and close it down and that's that was like that fast and that severe
22:24it sounded honestly if you came to a nelson concert it sounded like a jet engine from all the teenage
22:29girls screaming at us it was awesome you know and by the way anybody that tells you that they started
22:34making music for any other reason than that is lying that's true that is true hey real fast what was
22:40like to work with a guy like john kolodner he he helped a lot of bands and kind of put them on the
22:45path you know he's really cool man john kolodner the way i look at him we owe him a lot of course and
22:51obviously he's got a great background i mean you could stop at acdc alone and signing those guys but
22:56when we were making our bones over there geffen we were competing with aerosmith they were on their
23:00pump record and the the really big white snake record of course uh but john with us was kind of like
23:06the grain of sand in the oyster that's how we all work together he was very aggravating but he was
23:13doing it in a very calculated way it's cool because it's nothing personal he did it with all of his
23:17yeah yeah and we you know you know i i tend to be strong-willed matthew's a little more uh a little
23:23more peaceful uh than than i am but i think john kind of spots that in people and kind of needles it but
23:29it really it made us really want to show him you know and and want to get better and so by the time
23:36we got done picking the songs for the after the rain record and recording it uh it wouldn't have
23:41been even remotely the same without that kind of uh what would you say that uh here's a john
23:46here's a john kolodner you go into an office with a guy who's dressed all in white looks like john
23:52lennon and he sits there and you you play a song for him that you've written you've worked really hard
23:57at you're really proud of it and he sits and goes the chorus is wrong well what's wrong about it john
24:04do you not like the melody or the way you're like i don't know you're the musician you effing fix it
24:10and that's that that's a john kolodner so you have to be left to kind of go huh all right well we got to
24:16do better than that and and also another thing that came into play with us was as gunner mentioned we
24:23were this kind of like baby band that john signed after he heard uh after two years of us trying to
24:29court that relationship over at geffen and he didn't make it easy on us he really made us work
24:34and uh i'll just say this we had to kind of fit our release schedule not only around the other bands
24:42that were making them millions and millions of dollars you know at the time geffen had three
24:46a and r people which is artists and repertoire they had john kolodner gary gersh tom zutat and
24:51collectively you know you had one end of the building uh one a and r guy and they all hated each other
24:56by the way they all competed with each other uh you got guns and roses on this corner of the building
25:01you have aerosmith over here you have a sharon whitesnake over here i mean it was crazy i mean
25:07what was happening in that one little building on sunset boulevard and here come this this baby act
25:11that's never released anything trying to get a little bit of oxygen in there around those egos
25:16and that much money it was really hard to to even just get a break there was no guarantee
25:21that anything was going to happen for us at all and when we got the call that david geffen had decided
25:28that uh his label was too big and now he was going to have an offshoot label he was going to call dgc
25:32for david geffen company we honest to god thought we've just been relinquished to the farm team and
25:37it's over for us before we even release you know the psychology that was going through our minds
25:42it was it was kind of like psychological torture to a certain degree but it made us really work hard
25:47and we had to rely on each other but it was it was a tough thing just even getting that album
25:51made uh people don't know this and they read this in the book geffen records or dgc never gave us a
25:57penny of tour support we were never given any money to to go out there and keep you know get on the road
26:04and play shows this is an era where it costs a quarter of a million dollars to make a music video
26:09and of course that went on on our accounts you know we had to pay that back before we made dime one
26:13so the reality of it is just like a lot of these people you know we invested any money that we made
26:20right into what we were doing because they weren't giving us any additional support uh and initially i
26:25think john kladner thought that we were we weren't a live band which is interesting because that's where we
26:30started it's just we focused on songwriting after that we realized in playing clubs for years that
26:35either you have a hit record or hit song or you need them and nobody was going to give us those
26:40songs we had to learn how to write them but we were a live band and we kind of think we kind of proved
26:44that but it was it was all our own money that went into it and the reality of it was when grunge happened
26:49we always thought that we were going to have our second album and that's when we're going to make our
26:53money because we had already been investing in our career and our career was effectively stopped
26:59so we actually ended that like that couple of years kind of being like taylor swift for a couple
27:04years very very broke millions in debt just like a lot of people do um but we had the most amazing
27:11experience and we write about that in the book as well if somebody came to us and said okay you're
27:15going to be millions of dollars in debt you're going to get to the point of where you're almost
27:19going to be dead from the exhaustion uh you're going to come home to a landscape that you just don't
27:24even recognize at home anymore but you're arguably going to be the most famous twins that have ever
27:30lived you're going to have songs that are going to live for decades would you do it again i'd say
27:34where do i sign yeah right you know all right last thing here for you guys the bio in this bio that
27:40they sent me it says polaroids of groupies that make a biker blush well i'm a i've seen i've seen
27:45polaroids so are you looking at them right now well we're bikers too okay yeah uh but uh yeah hey
27:53polaroids were the de rigueur back in the day they were i don't know why they're so sexy but they
27:57kind of are um but yeah we we actually we wrote a lot in this book we were we just we disclosed a lot
28:05but there's also a lot that we did not you know so that'll be book number two i suppose but uh this
28:12is going to be the gateway drug to the way our minds work and it's going to be very very surprising
28:16that's one thing about this book is that it uh it really does dispel a lot of the preconceived
28:23notions of who matthew and i are how we were raised uh that we you know we weren't um given
28:29everything like i mentioned it's not we weren't trust fund kids and this wasn't a hobby this was
28:34this was actually to be honest with you making music together was really kind of like a lifeline
28:39because we grew up fairly rough we had a like a lot of people do we had a really addicted mother
28:44and she did not want us to to be like our dad and go into music she made things really really really
28:50hard and fortunately we had each other and we had our our music and our our dream of making it
28:55happen and here we are all these years later we still like each other mostly pretty okay yeah and
29:00we're still making great records and stuff our way so you know it's kind of a nice thing man it's uh
29:06it's kind of nice to be matthew nelson i suppose it is yeah it is well thank you guys so much for
29:12your time what happened to your hair that comes out on december 16th we'll give that a good plug
29:16uh it sounds like a great uh christmas stocking stuffer as they say it's a good read we get a
29:21lot of people that have read it saying i couldn't put it down and and i laughed out loud a lot so
29:25yeah it's this i know we're getting a little dark here but it's it's all in humor because it is you
29:30gotta laugh at it man it's it's been quite a ride and it's not over yet but we had some good times
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