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00:00St. Andrews, which by the way we're so pumped about because also they have the best wings
00:03in the United States across the street. We had some people that literally ordered it for us
00:08and delivered it to another city for us. That's how much we love these wings.
00:12Rock, metal, prog, and everything in between. Welcome to this episode of Talkin' Rock with
00:19Meltdown. Don't forget to follow the audio-only Talkin' Rock podcast on all podcast platforms.
00:24And now it's time for today's conversation. Here's Meltdown.
00:28Last week I talked to the guys from Nelson. This week it set it off. It's kind of like
00:33the same thing. It is?
00:37They're like, we don't know who Nelson is.
00:41You know who Nelson is? I'm not familiar personally. Are you guys? No.
00:44Nope. Whoops. Matthew and Gunnar Nelson, one of the biggest bands from the early 90s.
00:51We're 89 babies, so.
00:53I got it. I'm just teasing you guys. Look it up.
00:56Tempe, Arizona is where you're at tonight. This afternoon, I should say. And you're going to be
01:01here in Detroit coming up on Thanksgiving Eve. That's a big night.
01:06Oh, so excited, man. Detroit always goes hard. They always try to set the record for the most
01:09crowd surfers. It's insane.
01:12How many times have you guys come through here?
01:14Oh, God. We started touring in 2009, so quite a few times.
01:20Yeah.
01:20Like, a lot.
01:22Yeah, I was just looking, too. You guys have played all the big festivals, right? The Danny
01:25Wimmer ones?
01:26Yeah, yeah. We started doing that recently, and they've been just amazing. Shout out to Danny
01:30Wimmer for, like, having us be a part of that. It's just so welcoming. The whole community is.
01:34But I was just thinking, your question back to how long we've been playing there, I just
01:37remembered our first show, when we were first starting out as a band, was in the Werner's
01:41room in Pontiac at Crowfoot. And we were the after-party band for, was it Taste of Chaos?
01:48Or no, what was it?
01:49Take Action.
01:50Take Action Tour. So we were just a band playing in a corner while all the other bigger bands
01:54were celebrating their show they just played. And then from there, we kept, like, growing
01:59and playing the Pike Room, then the Eaglefoot Ballroom, you know, then St. Andrews, which,
02:04by the way, we're so pumped about, because also they have the best wings in the United
02:08States across the street.
02:09That's true. Sweetwater Tavern, it's so funny you mention it, because when I met Ed Rollin
02:14one time from Collective Soul, like in, I don't know, it was at Louder Than Life, as a matter
02:19of fact.
02:20Oh, hell yeah.
02:20And he said, oh, yeah, you're in Detroit. He goes, now, I grew up in Buffalo, right? So
02:24it's like, I've been here since 1995, but I grew up in Buffalo, so I know a thing or two
02:27about wings.
02:28Hey, too.
02:29He's like, dude, he goes, you had the best wings are at the Sweetwater Tavern. It took me about
02:33a year and a half to finally get down there, but they do have the best wings.
02:37It's insane. Like, you wouldn't expect it. It's a small little place. I love it. They
02:41don't want to be making those wings for you, but they make them amazing every time.
02:46Why don't they want to be making them for you? I don't get it. What do you mean?
02:48So the first time I ever went, they just all wanted to be home. They were just like, what
02:52do you want? But we ordered the wings, and I was like, I don't know how it's going to
02:57go. Everyone says it's amazing. Truly the best wings I've ever had in my entire life.
03:01We had some people that literally ordered it for us and delivered it to another city
03:05for us. That's how much we love these wings.
03:08Wow. Wow. That is impressive. That's quite a stamp of approval there.
03:13It's in the Tori community. It's known. The Sweetwater Tavern has got a name for itself.
03:18Yeah, no doubt. And I mean, I've been there. I've been to Legends next door. I don't know
03:21if you guys have been there.
03:23No, I haven't been to Legends. How is it?
03:25That's a strip club, so yeah, you know.
03:26Oh, how are the wings? How are the wings, dude?
03:32I don't know. My wife might see this, so I better stop talking about that.
03:37So anyways, what's going on in the band? You guys dropping records. Got all sorts of stuff
03:40happening, huh?
03:41Yeah, dude. In 2023, we decided we weren't going to sign to a label, and we started doing
03:45this on our own. And we honestly, we didn't know we were going to do an album. We just started
03:49writing music. And just with the intent of bringing it back to how it all started, just having
03:53fun. No expectations, no trying to become some big monster or anything. It was just,
03:58let's just go back to what we were initially, which was just writing songs for ourself.
04:02And the first song we wrote was Punching Bag. And we were like, okay, we might have something
04:06here, actually. So with our independent team, we found our radio guy, Bob, and we're like,
04:10hey, go see if people like this. And people did. And it's the first time we've ever been
04:15on the radio. Even when we were signed to two other labels before this, we never had radio
04:18success at all. So we're like, wow, this is crazy. And then other stations started
04:23paying attention. And the rock community started welcoming us with open arms, Danny
04:27Wimmer. And it just all started to take off in this way that it's exceeded every single
04:33expectation. And so I just kept writing and kept writing and kept writing. And then we
04:38realized, instead of just dropping singles, we do kind of have an album here. This all
04:42makes sense. It's cohesive. And so we put it all together. And we decided because of how
04:47everything is kind of laying out and how much fun we're having and how much we just feel
04:52like it's the most authentic us we've ever been. That's why with album six, we decided
04:56to make that one our self-titled record. And so that just dropped, what, like a week and
05:01a half, two weeks ago? Yeah, really recently.
05:04Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, you just said a lot. I'm going to try to unpack a little bit of this.
05:08So first of all, I'll ask two questions here. Did you guys feel like maybe the chains had come
05:14off after you got out of a record deal? And secondly, how hard was it to just say, we're just
05:19going to do it ourselves? So, great question. So how did you feel about the change? Do you
05:26feel like it came after the record label? Yeah. I mean, we had talked a lot about kind
05:31of the direction sonically and what kind of sound we wanted to do. And we had noticed that
05:39whenever we played something a little heavier, whenever Cody wrote when he was angrier, people
05:45really responded to that. And also earlier in our career, when we were playing that kind
05:51of music, that's when we were having the most fun. So all those things considered, when
05:56we kind of sat down after our record contract had ended, we talked about wanting to have
06:02fun again as a band. I think it just made sense. It was just kind of the clear answer.
06:09Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was going to say, you guys aren't the first band to ever, you know,
06:13leave a record label or whatever, and then start your own thing. I think Pop Roach has
06:16done it. And it's like, I talked to a lot of these bands that do this kind of stuff,
06:20but it's like, there's got to be a lot of challenges. And why didn't you just at one
06:23point go, you know what, let's just shop our stuff around and get another record label?
06:26We did. We started by doing that, actually. We're like, there was other labels that were
06:30interested and we talked to them, we heard them out and, you know, we saw what percentages
06:35were looking like. And, you know, when you, when you're on a label for so long, and first
06:39of all, I will say like, you know, when we were starting out, we really needed it. We didn't
06:43have credit. We didn't have any way to make money to fund the dream that we have. So like
06:48with EVR, it was amazing. With Fearless, they went pretty well. And then, but after that,
06:53you know, we realized we have so much experience now. Like we, we understand how this machine
06:58works and we know how to make it work. When we, before we were on a label or anything,
07:02we were booking all of our own shows. We didn't have a booking agent. We had our van and trailer.
07:05It was just, it was just us. It was just hands on the wheel, literally just making this
07:09and go. So it's always been in us. And we've always been told that our persistence is one
07:14of our greatest strengths. And so I think once this, the label thing ended and we realized
07:19we met a distributor and that's really what we needed and that we would own the majority
07:23of our music for the first time ever. And that was obviously very appealing, but we don't want
07:29to just do that. Like, let's make money, but let's flounder, you know, like let's, we want
07:33to make sure we know exactly what we're doing. So before we really started hitting the ground
07:36running, we made sure every piece of the puzzle was in place to make this thing move.
07:40And, um, thank God we did because we're really happy with how it's going.
07:46Yeah. I was going to say, did you talk to anybody or consult anybody that had done this kind
07:50of thing before you?
07:51Yeah. Um, there's, uh, Trevor from our last night, they just did their last tour ever,
07:56which, which sucks, but I, they had, they had a very successful career, uh, but they've been
08:01independent for a long time and he's been preaching that to us for a minute. He's a very
08:04business savvy guy. And one of the few people I've seen in the music industry make money,
08:09you know? So like, he's, he's been a close friend of ours. I've been asking him, did you
08:13talk to anybody individually?
08:15Yeah. I talked to Trevor from our last night as well. And, uh, yeah, we learned a lot from
08:19those people and taking the plunge was definitely scary at first, but then you start to learn
08:24pretty quickly that with a label that they, they get kind of bloated and there's so many people
08:29to point the finger at when something goes wrong. But now that it's us doing it, if something goes
08:34wrong, we can only point it ourselves and figure out how to handle the situation a lot faster.
08:40Yeah. Get to the root of the issue and then make sure it doesn't happen again.
08:44Yeah. I got to imagine starting from scratch like that, you know, you probably got to get an LLC
08:48and it's just, there's, there's probably lawyers involved and there's all this, this minutia that
08:52you probably didn't even expect. Right.
08:54Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I thought this was going to be, when you start off in your garage,
08:57you think it's going to be just playing songs and having a good time. And then you realize
09:02quickly when you were taking it seriously, this is a business. And yeah, you're right. Like LLC,
09:06well, business manager, lawyer, manager, booking agent, distributor. Um, it's just all of these
09:13pieces of the puzzle that a lot of people, I feel like that are, that are listening probably don't
09:16really think about it either. Like going behind the scenes with it. Cause a lot of people just
09:20think of, of us are just like, you go on stage, you play songs, you make money. That's it.
09:24It was shocking. The amount of Google meet calls. I'm in a band. Why do I have to be on a video
09:31call at 10 AM? This is wild. I know. I only got in this, this, this business to meet chicks.
09:40Yeah, I know, man. There's a lot of stuff that goes into it, but, uh, let's switch gears and talk
09:44about the record rottens out. Of course, uh, uh, tell me about your mindset going into creating all
09:49these songs. Oh God, a lot. I'm just super pissed off. Where does that come from? I mean,
09:56you know, you're in a band. I'll tell you, it's all different situations. Like, um, I don't like
10:01dropping a name, so they'll know when it's about them, but, uh, with rotten in particular,
10:06this was kind of a frustration of about a lack of authenticity out in the world today. And whether
10:11it was like, you know, it can be the people you're seeing. And for like day to day basis, the,
10:15the internet in general, where you don't know anything you're reading is real or not. And
10:19but also some people that I feel like are just completely inauthentic and sell a brand rather
10:25than themselves. And, um, I, I just don't resonate with that. And I don't like that people buy into
10:31it and get fooled by it. And so rotten is kind of like, you know, they're, they're selling you the
10:35sugar, but it's going to rock your, it's going to rock your teeth or watch out for the blade inside
10:39of that candy apple. You know, like, yeah, it looks sweet on the outside, but you might realize down the
10:44line, you're getting something that's not so sweet after all. And so Ron's kind of like my vent session
10:48about that. Um, we had a song we just dropped called pathological, which is about this friend
10:53I made, uh, who I thought was a close friend and through a mutual friend, I found out he was
10:58doing some pretty messed up stuff behind the scenes to me and to other people. Uh, and that moment I
11:04found that out, I immediately was like, I know what we're writing about today where I sat down
11:08laptop out. I just started writing all the rap moments and all, all the lyrics just started pouring
11:12out. I realized that though, like about me, it's like, you know, I don't bottle up happiness. I'm
11:17like when people, when we hang out, you know, I'm, I'm the happy go lucky golden retriever dude that
11:21just wants to play games and chill, you know, like, but, but my songs can be so angry because I, I,
11:27because I smile a lot. I think I attract people that want to take advantage of that. And I'm,
11:33I want to be a trusting person. I want to let people in. Sometimes I can find myself to be a
11:38people pleaser. Shout out punching bag. Um, but you do learn a lot through it. Like,
11:44especially in this industry, like you get hurt enough to really realize you got to put up a
11:48wall from time to time. But when I fail to put that wall up and I do get hurt, I have this to
11:53fall back on to, to get through it. So this has been a really like healthy album for me to kind of
11:58get through all the things that I have been going through and haven't been able to talk about for a
12:02while. Yeah. I was going to say like, it's therapeutic. Like I talked to a lot of bands,
12:05it's the same thing, you know? Uh, so when, when do all you guys chip in on the lyrics or,
12:09or just you Cody or how's that work? It's me. Okay. Yeah. And do you ever consult,
12:14you know, do you ever, do you guys ever consult each other? You know, absolutely. Every time we
12:18get a demo, I send it to them right away and we're very democratic band. Like there's a song I want on
12:22the record. They didn't like it as much. It didn't make it on the record. And, but I know that the
12:27reason why we feel that way is our brains are so similar and we all want the same thing. We all have the
12:30same goal. So if, if, if I'm outvoted, then there might be something that maybe I'm attaching to
12:36it. That isn't what's better for the bigger picture and that we've always operated that way.
12:41We always look at the songs together. We try to see what's the best move, but luckily most of the
12:45songs were all a great fit. Yeah. And if the song sucks, we'll tell them, you know, oh, they will
12:49when he goes off and does his solo career, he'll just use them then
12:53like a lot of bands have. Oh, so many have. Yeah. So, so you guys are wrapping things up
13:01here for a 2025. Well, what do you got to talk about for a next year? What's what's
13:05happening with you guys? Oh man. A ton of festivals already. We're going to be going
13:08overseas, uh, doing rock hammering your house of festivals in Germany, um, download
13:13festival, UK, Europe. There's honestly, we were making a joke that we were, there were
13:17so many that we kept announcing that we're like, we're on that. It was just way too many.
13:23So if you're, if you're living overseas or want to make a trip over there for vacation
13:27for some crazy festivals in the summer, we'll be doing that currently stuff in the
13:30works for 2026, as far as touring goes in the States. But, uh, that's all we can
13:35announce at the moment is what's out there, but yeah, still running the record
13:39and proud of it. No, that's great. So I'll ask all of you guys this. I mean, when
13:42you started a band, uh, you know, well, let me back up. I grew up in a small town,
13:47like I said, and when I'm on a cruise and I'm somewhere like in Cozumel, like I
13:50can't even believe this. And you guys are playing over in Europe.
13:53What's that like, uh, for you guys? Oh, dude, at first it was just cold.
13:59No, but, uh, it was this thing that's been building and building and building
14:02for the, like for over the years. Like first time we ever went over there,
14:05uh, we were supporting and the most recent support tour we did over there was,
14:09uh, supporting I prevail in Germany. And that changed everything for us in a big
14:13way. I feel like we really garnered a lot of their fans into, into our realm as
14:17well, but they're some of the craziest crowds ever, to be honest. Like I compared
14:23Detroit, uh, and, and the Boston mentality. Cause you guys have like this grittiness
14:27to, to the city and like how they, how the crowd reacts to live shows to Scotland. Like
14:32Scotland is like also, there is actually a thing. Can I cuss on this?
14:37Go ahead. All right. So Scotland has this thing they do where they go, here we,
14:41here we, here we fucking go. So like, if you get them going during a song to a beat,
14:45they'll do it. And then we got Detroit to do that. And now I'm like, it feels like a
14:49second home. Anyway, I'm babbling, but yeah, it's fun over there, but you all got the same
14:54energy. So yeah, it's, it's really incredible.
14:57Well, you know, obviously the I prevail guys are buds cause they're from here. Right. And I
15:01remember Eric when they were in Australia, uh, somebody threw a shoe up on stage and they
15:05wanted them to do a shoe. Have you done that yet? I haven't done a shoe, but I got convinced
15:10by, uh, there was this game that these, uh, this band we were touring with that are like
15:13British people had all had a game where if you like rolled the dice and you got a certain
15:17number, I think it was something like that. I lost. So everybody's half drinking drinks
15:22went into my cup and then I had to chug it, but I think a shoe, we might be worse.
15:27Yeah. That's shoe. Yeah. That sounds disgusting too. I don't know. Are you a joke?
15:31Uh, not so much. No.
15:35I guess. Well, not really, but I mean, I've got kids and stuff, but it's like
15:40my fair share of germs, I suppose. But, uh, yeah, not like open mouth coughing.
15:45Yeah. Yeah. No, that's great. So what was it like touring with the guys from our,
15:51I prevail, you know, Dylan and Eric are friends. My, they're big hockey fans. We always text
15:55about hockey and stuff.
15:56Good. I, we love those guys. They've always been the sweetest to us since day one.
15:59Actually, last time I played download fest, um, Eric came over and we were just like,
16:03just having some whiskey and chatting and, um, they're just the homies, dude. They've
16:07always been really sweet to us. And I, it's nice to be able to say that a band that's doing
16:10so well, that they're just genuinely good people. Um, because we've met some people that
16:14aren't and, uh, but I wouldn't say if I didn't meet it. So yeah, just nothing but love with
16:19those dudes and their, and their entire crew too, behind the scenes. They're, they're so
16:22efficient and just great guys. We got to share a bus with them as well. Um, but yeah,
16:27they, they treated everybody amazing on tour. Now you got, you guys seem to have a good
16:32like aura about you and stuff, but this is like, you know, the third or fourth time now
16:35you've talked about people that you've met that really weren't on the up and up. You
16:38seem to catch onto that, huh? Oh yeah. Well we, we, I won't, I won't name a name, but
16:43there was a band we tore with back in the day that treated us like garbage, dude. Like, like
16:47truly did went out of their way to demean us and would just like insult us and try to twist
16:53the knife and like really get under our skin. And we had to like live in close quarters with
16:58them and it stuck with us. And, but that also reflected into, we realized who we didn't
17:03want to be, you know, like we, we supported, uh, headliners that have been very kind to
17:08us, like absolute sweethearts. We've supported people that have been absolute dickheads.
17:13Uh, and we don't want to be on that side of the coin. We want to be on the good side.
17:17So whenever we're headlining, we have support with us. We do whatever we can to make sure they
17:20feel at home and they feel comfortable and happy. And that this feels like a team
17:23effort in a family, because that's what it should be. You know, like we're all going
17:27for the hardest thing on the planet. Like we all are in an industry that's very hard
17:31to succeed at. And the last thing you need is somebody else, you know, like cutting your
17:35legs out from under you and making you feel less than we should all be really working
17:39together because there is room for everybody and everybody needs to feel that. And so, yeah,
17:43we take pride in that.
17:44Yeah. I was going to say maybe because somebody treated you like that, you, you, it makes you
17:49a better person as well.
17:50Yeah. You need it. Honestly, sometimes you kind of need it to just realize what the barometer
17:55is.
17:56Yeah. What are the, some of the bands that treated you the best?
17:59I know, but that's okay.
18:01No, yeah, no, no, I prevail all time. Low are, they're incredible towards simple plan.
18:08Uh, some of the nicest guys I've ever met in my entire life, Hollywood undead, Hollywood
18:12and dad, dude, they are, there are homies now. Um, God, I'm blanking.
18:17Uh, okay. Rock was great. Okay. Rock was great. Sim, Sam from Japan. They were great.
18:23Yeah. Yeah. There's a, there's, there's a lot of bad people in the industry, but there's
18:28so many, there's so many good ones. It's great. Yeah. I think in 35 years I've been doing this.
18:32I've met more good people than bad people. Yeah, absolutely. You know, but the bad ones
18:37do stick with you. That's for sure.
18:38Stick with you. There's no doubt. I get, I get this question asked me all the time. Who are the
18:44biggest assholes you talk to? I'm like, you know, they're mostly pretty nice. And that's good. Cause
18:51you don't want to talk to jerk offs all day long, you know? Yeah. I mean, we're all trying to have
18:54fun and just, you know, just be in this, uh, this rock world. Yeah, exactly. What turns you guys on
19:00to music? What, what, what was your gateway to, uh, to, to pick it up instruments? I think we're all
19:05different. What was yours? Uh, I just really fell in love with bands when I was younger.
19:09Um, like some 41, um, like way to bands like that. And, um, I just really wanted to play
19:17music live, do a performance and, uh, met some friends that also had the same interests and
19:23we just picked it up. We just started playing and, um, hope one, I think the biggest thing
19:29that we could do was we played a, like a school talent, uh, show. And that was like,
19:34we fucking made it. Yeah. What about you? Uh, yeah, I feel, I mean, I started listening
19:43to Blink-182 and, um, through that got into drums, but I think a big thing about it was
19:49when I saw them up there, I went, these guys are cool. Yeah. I want to be cool. I was very,
19:54so painfully uncool for so long. And the second I picked up a pair of sticks, I felt cool. All
20:02that wiped away. So, um, I felt like I was part of something, which was, which was wonderful.
20:07Yeah. For me, um, my parents were in a band when I was growing up. They, um, they did like a, like
20:1270s, 60s cover band and they would play like in different areas of the States. Like they play at
20:17Hershey park, like inside the theme park for like a week every summer. So me and my sister would go
20:22and we'd watch it play like three sets for a day, but they would always try to involve us. Uh, and so
20:26like, at first, like I wanted to play drums on the, on, on their drummer's kit during their sound
20:31check, but I ended up playing clarinet because my grandfather played and he gave me my first lesson.
20:37And so that ended up being my trajectory. Uh, so I didn't, I did like a couple of bands in high
20:42school and I fell in love with it. But then they were like, listen, the real career path where you're
20:47going to make money is this clarinet thing, because I got pretty good at it. And I won like all state and
20:52like made like second chair in the state of Florida and stuff like that, won some scholarships.
20:56I went to a music conservatory in Oberlin and I was miserable. Like I, I missed being in a band.
21:01Like I, like, and also I saw that it's just as more, it's just as difficult to make it in an
21:06orchestra. There's two clarinet players in every orchestra. You have to, that person has to retire
21:10or die. And then once that slot opens up, every clarinet player in the world has the forum and they all
21:16go to whichever, uh, organization it is. And then there's politics on top of that. So I'm like,
21:20if I'm going to risk doing what I love and it's going to be very difficult to make it,
21:24I'm going to go for the one that makes me the happiest. And my parents gave me their blessing
21:29to take a year off of, uh, college after they saw, actually speaking of all time low,
21:33he let me sing on stage with them. Uh, while I was just in college, I was like, I bought my ticket.
21:37I'm a fan. Can I sing this song with you? He's like, yeah, just brought me up on stage.
21:41I sang a song first time ever being a front man. And I got the bug dude. And I, my dad saw the video.
21:47He, um, if you want the real, real story of it, he was battling cancer at the time.
21:52And I tried to drop out a week before that. And he was like, no, no, you, you need to stick with
21:57this. He got so upset. He had to go take a walk around the block. And that was like a lot. So
22:02it was like, nevermind, tell dad, I'll stick with it. Video comes out. He sees it. He's beaming.
22:09Cause he, he knows that I can't help, but follow in his footsteps. Cause he did the same thing.
22:13He went to Berkeley, dropped out, started touring in a band, met my mom. They started doing their
22:18thing. But anyway, they told me to take a year off, uh, called Zach. We started this band.
22:23We got max involved and we've been a family ever since, man. We've been chugging away,
22:27just doing this cause we love it. And it's been great. How's your dad?
22:31He passed away one week after, after accepting my dream, one week after telling me to take a year
22:35off. So I, I didn't even finish my semester. I came, I flew right home and we just started working
22:41on the band. Your dad went to Berkeley, eh? Yeah, he did. He's a monster trumpet player.
22:46Wow. Yeah. I'm going to see a JD from a black labeled sign. I believe he went there too.
22:51No way. Did he, what'd he play? The bass player.
22:54Bass player. I didn't know if it was like only big band stuff or whatnot.
22:58No, my friend, Rob DeLuca from the band spread Eagle, the bass player. He went to, uh, Berkeley,
23:02uh, you know, um, I think, uh, uh, what's his name from Testament? Um, I can't think of his name
23:07off the top of my head. Anyways. Uh, yeah. I don't, I don't know. I don't, I'm not sure about their,
23:12uh, history, but, uh, sorry to hear. Like a joke about that. It's like the, usually you,
23:17you, if you're going to end up doing something, you drop out of Berkeley.
23:22Well, Berkeley's was never in my, in my path. That's for sure.
23:25Yeah. Sorry to hear about your dad. I lost my mom in 1992, just a couple of years into my career.
23:31And it's like, you know, um, you know, same type of a situation, but, uh, yeah, they're always with
23:36you. They're always with you. And it always fuels you. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what,
23:41we'll let you guys go here, set it off coming to St. Andrew's hall coming up on the 26th. If I'm not
23:46mistaken, that is Thanksgiving Eve, correct? It is day before Thanksgiving. Okay. I'm going to be out of
23:51town, but, uh, what are you guys doing for Thanksgiving? So we're trying to find an Airbnb.
23:56And like I said about the family element, the whole tour is trying to get together. We're all
23:59trying to cook for each other and have like a friends giving with the tour package at some,
24:04some house. That's the goal. When's your last date for the year?
24:08Uh, December 10th. And then that's it till, uh, till the new year, right?
24:12Well, the new year. Yeah. That's a cool gig you guys got, man. I loved it.
24:17We're pretty stoked, man. Cut it down like three weeks before the new year,
24:21pick it up in February. You know, regular people can't do that. I have to go to work every day.
24:25Yeah. We have to sleep desperately.
24:30I'm sure. Well, enjoy your time here in Detroit. Happy Thanksgiving. And of course,
24:33uh, have some, uh, great wings over at Sweetwater Tavern.
24:36You know, we will, man. Thank you so much for having us.
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