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00:00the bio in this bio that they sent me it says polaroids are groupies that make a biker blush
00:04well i'm a i've seen i've seen polaroids so are you looking at them right now well we're bikers
00:09too okay yeah uh but uh yeah hey polaroids were the de rigueur back in the day they were i don't
00:16know why they're so sexy but they kind of are rock metal frog and everything in between welcome
00:23to this episode of talking rock with meltdown don't forget to follow the audio only talking
00:28rock podcast on all podcast platforms and now it's time for today's conversation here's meltdown
00:35mac good to see i guess uh gunner's on his way huh yeah it's okay i've been carrying him for years
00:40man i can handle this i'm gonna call i'm going solo and calling it half nelson yeah not to be
00:47confused with uh anything from the world of wrestling but uh yeah of course so the autobiography is coming
00:52out what happened to your hair that comes out on december 16th and i mean this is kind of a question
00:57for both you guys but since he's not here you can answer so why why now well you know we just got
01:03that question why not no uh it's it's because honestly we really just didn't feel it was time
01:09yet and we hadn't lived enough life really to say we're gonna write our book you know uh we're not
01:14getting any younger we have a lot of stories to tell and it was just there were so many people at
01:18our concerts we at a lot of our shows we'll we'll tell a story behind a song or we'll talk about an
01:25anecdote that led up to something or somebody we met along the way and we just had too many people
01:30saying you guys need to write a book you know we always stay after shows and meet people sometimes
01:35two three hours after shows now it's kind of fun and that seemed to kept keep coming up and i think
01:41the the real driver for this if i'm going to be 100 honest dana strum dana strum dana strum is a
01:49friend of ours and he was the guy that said listen i'm going to tell you the obvious but i keep hearing
01:54you guys telling stories about you guys need to write a damn book write a book and so then it came
02:01down to what kind of a book we're gonna are we gonna write because there are two of us which is a
02:05very interesting concept of how to do it so we split up stories and chapters we wrote it under
02:10duress because we had somebody that we were involved with on the book this is not a ghost
02:15written book we wrote this book and uh we had three and a half weeks to complete 500 pages and 53
02:22chapters so we were very very busy and i think that's why the we were so punchy from being so tired
02:29that that's the tone of the book it's just irreverent and funny and we mess with ourselves which is easy
02:34to do and we tell stories warts and all that is you know definitely a gen x book for gen xers you
02:41know it's not candy coated and it's not bubble wrapped and it's i think a great way of letting
02:46people know who we are that's the only frustration we've had is unless you've like had a conversation
02:51with us like this you really don't know what makes us tick and we kind of got tired of feeling
02:56like we were guilty until proven innocent so we wrote it down uh that's a lot to unpack right there
03:01so i know dana strump pretty well and i guess i guess so now he's he's credited with uh getting
03:06randy rhodes and ozzy's band and getting you guys to write a book yeah you know he was he was telling
03:11us a lot about that that ozzy thing and of course we're very good friends with mark slaughter we we
03:17wrote a song with mark it was on an album we put out a few years ago that wound up just being on the
03:23peacemaker the john cena show on hbo james gunn the director is a huge fan of ours we didn't know that
03:28he scouted us at a show to see if we could still sing and looked okay and then put us in um this
03:34episode called full nelson he wrote an episode that was the finale of the peacemaker on hbo
03:38with a song we co-wrote with mark called to get back to you and it was amazing he said that was
03:43his favorite song so we got a chance to actually collaborate with mark a long time ago and now the
03:49song has been released it's a current release on universal they're pushing it so who knows but
03:55there's always some kind of like a little thing there you know our drummer bobby rock
03:58and nelson from back in the day he was in the vinnie vincent invasion with mark slaughter and
04:02dana strung yeah so they you know they factioned off they wanted bobby in their band uh you know of
04:08course slaughter and he chose to play with us and it's kind of neat we all we all know each other we
04:15all get along and we're just happy when everybody catches a lick yeah mark's a good friend of mine too
04:20as is uh brad gillis he wanted to know if he was related to you guys and if he is is he the redheaded
04:24stepchild that's what you wanted me to ask you oh you know since we've been playing a lot of shows
04:28with night ranger and i've been hanging out with brad a little bit um i love that guy you know we're
04:32we we actually kind of do look a little related he's just from the scottish part of the nelsons
04:37you know we're the swedes but you know we're all fair-haired and we got to watch the sun right
04:41yeah no brad's great i i texted him i saw that you guys were you know went out with them and stuff
04:45and yeah you know um i was gonna i want to ask both you guys about this but uh you know let's take it
04:50back to the to the 90s i mean you guys released that debut record and then grunge just comes
04:54around i'm sure you talk about that in the book right oh yeah we we have we have an amazing story
05:00about what it was like being at dgc records which was nirvana's label we were the first band that
05:07actually broke through on uh david geffen company was the offshoot of the main geffen label and uh we
05:13were out on the road playing arenas and then we showed up at the office and everybody was 20 years
05:19old and wearing flannel and we were relics and at the ripe old age of 23 so that's just how it was
05:25but uh it made it into the book in a lot of different ways i've got multiple chapters on
05:31what it was like for the rise and then the immediate fall off the cliff at uh at the label and
05:36how mtv changed everything overnight and it was definitely not an organic thing um not to take
05:42anything away from nirvana they were just the right band to kind of break open it i think
05:46there was a big glut of of mediocre bands and it just needed a reset it's kind of like what
05:52happened with you know donna summer when she was making disco records it cost them millions of
05:57dollars to make these bloated records and somebody discovered punk rock and said if you throw them a
06:02happy meal and get them strung out they'll do anything you know it's just it's a rock and roll
06:06recipe that works so we found ourselves men without a country for about five years we were stuck on that
06:12deal they wouldn't let us go because we'd told too many records but they weren't going to promote us
06:15so we went on auto flush and in the frustration of that we formed our own thing we put a label
06:21together again another friend of mine chips enough talk to me about independent labels when nobody was
06:26really doing them and so we started stone canyon records and started releasing product not only that
06:32we we just vowed to never do an actual record deal record deal like we had back in the day we did
06:37joint ventures where we owned the masters there was a reversion clause and we just got into the
06:41business of it because there was nothing worse than being signed to a bad deal you know back when
06:46we were you know everybody was trying to get that elusive record deal and gunner and i started
06:50a decade before anybody thought we did we always lumped in with the hair bands but we were playing you
06:54know kind of punk and new wave music in clubs and we're like 12 in la so we weren't really a part of
07:00that whole gazari's thing we were all about songs and it was kind of neat the journey on that but
07:05yeah we write about it in uh in the book we love it what happened to your hair that's the title of
07:09the book and uh it's on amazon pre-order right now it's doing really well actually so i think people
07:14want to the question once you get past why did you write a book now the fact is people are they're
07:19buying it so that's good yeah it comes out december 16th and uh yeah chip another guy i know very well i
07:25should have been texting all those guys instead of uh brad gillis i suppose oh chip is awesome i just
07:30talked to him last week he actually did a i i he wrote something for our book and he uh we just
07:37we just ran out of room man it was a good story it involved um it involved groupies and a fruit tray
07:43but um that's for the part two i've heard many stories from chip about groupies and whatever you
07:51know but uh yeah i just saw him a couple weeks ago as a matter of fact but uh yeah you guys uh if i
07:55if i recall correctly did you guys play saturday night live once or twice once we did it once yeah
08:01we did saturday night live once and we we did like a walk-on on letterman but it was uh it's in the
08:07book too um we were the only unsigned band to play snl we had actually booked the show at an uh weird
08:14time we were catching a buzz in la in the clubs and uh our father had an accident and died and we still
08:21uh we had the booking but we decided to do it uh regardless we were kind of a mess and gunner
08:25actually was playing drums he was a great drummer gunner was like a savant drummer in the clubs when
08:30he was really little and uh we showed up and i talk about this uh the host the host was um an
08:38interesting host that week let's just say this our mother she was a free spirit and she had um
08:44boyfriends let's just put it that way while she was married to our dad and
08:47one of them turned out to be ron reagan jr and uh you know uncle ron and uh we hadn't seen him in
08:56years or whatever and we we showed up for the first day of rehearsal only us right uh first day of
09:03rehearsal and guess who the host of the show is that week uncle ron so uh only us man i'm telling
09:11you that's why we had to write a book is stories like that it's like that was that was a very awkward
09:16situation you know what i mean so yeah you know it's so funny because you know you the circles
09:23that your parents it's funny i was i was you know you know doing research and and you know looking
09:27you guys up and stuff and there's a picture of your dad that pops up on my feed it's like the
09:31algorithm with uh with eddie money or something like that it's just so weird how this world works
09:35nowadays right but i mean the the circles that you guys ran in you must have run into people that
09:40you knew at every turn right pretty much you know we we talk about that by the way did i lose
09:46film or are you seeing me on this thing because somebody just called me i can't see me yeah i heard
09:50it i heard it buzzing but you're still fine yeah you're fine oh you can see me okay good all right
09:54um yeah we when gun and i grew up we always joke and say it was a completely normal childhood and
10:01the fact everybody was famous we just didn't know that there was a big thing about being famous
10:05you know to us uncle george was uncle george our neighbor turned out to be george harrison
10:10and uh the homeless guy in the living room was bob dylan you know that was just normal for us i
10:17mean our pop was so uh he was he was so famous oh sorry my dog's freaking out that's walter by the
10:25way walter is a very popular little dude on the internet uh every time we post a video and put
10:30walter in it it's a whole lot more views he's much bigger than we are um gunner just got home as you
10:35can tell uh but you know it was for us yeah there were a lot of quote famous people around one thing
10:41we kind of noticed at least when we were growing up is it's just how it was in the late 60s early 70s
10:47in la you know everybody seemed to sing and play music um you know everybody knew everybody i mean
10:55i just um we're pretty tight with carnie and wendy wilson brian wilson's daughters and
11:00actually had a hit record with them a couple years ago and apparently we had swimming classes with
11:06them when we were kids you know it's just everybody had kids and everybody hung out with everybody
11:09you know there's there's somebody else in here right now good to see you
11:15you too oh there's walter too yeah you know it's it's funny uh both you guys here now um i don't know
11:23if you know this or not or if they told you but uh your aunt was a big part of this radio station's
11:28history that i'm on did you know that oh did she do the thing with the lips the the yeah okay got it
11:34that's it yeah no i've seen those commercials and everybody ripped those things off i think actually
11:39actually one of my ex-girlfriends became that that girl later on really yeah simba smith was no kidding
11:45yeah and she did it for other radio stations across the country no no no just your station i think
11:52i think that oh it was like a retro commercial thing i believe because i remember seeing that
11:56but i remember aunt kelly showed me those commercials they're you can see them on youtube
12:01they're they're everywhere yeah so i just celebrated my 30th anniversary here and that was before i got
12:06here that's a good gig you got there brother 30 years that's awesome yeah so yeah i was playing you
12:12guys uh in buffalo when i uh first got into radio so what is what is like one of the since you're both
12:17here now what are some of the biggest misconceptions that that people have about you guys uh well that
12:22music was a hobby to us that we're trust fund kids that it was easy um i get that we're uh that
12:30gunner's a nice guy that we're the olsen twins um we're not hansen we're nelson there's a lot of stuff
12:36you know yeah i think you know when you meet people that uh you hang out with them and stuff and at the
12:41end of that they go wow you're you're really you're really nice guy it's like thanks what did
12:46you get out of what what does that mean i was like well i thought you guys were going to be dicks
12:49you know you know i honestly i think um we we know what it's like to kind of feel as guilty
12:54until proven innocent you know and admittedly we were a lot you know when we came out with the image
13:00and all that stuff and the twin thing and the long hair and all that you know our whole goal was to
13:04be noticed i mean we're talking from an era now where you got 125 000 songs dropped every single
13:12day and you know you gotta you gotta stand out a little bit so our whole thing was love us or hate
13:17us you're gonna know who we are and boy did that one work you know um but past that point it was
13:23really more of like an introduction like grandma harriet always said you know your name and your image
13:28and all that stuff that can get your foot in the door but it's really your talent that's going to keep
13:31in the room and here we are we've been doing this for a long long time and that's all we ever wanted
13:36to do is make music together well as i was talking about with matthew before you got here gunner it's
13:40like uh you guys may have had all the talent in the world but once that grunge train came around it's
13:44like it locked up a lot of people off the track yeah you know kind of made things difficult you know
13:49the thing was is that it was really less even than uh of a of a musical style difference to a
13:55philosophical difference you know our whole thing was like we come from an era where we always found the
13:59silver lining and everything you know everybody was living on a prayer on a wednesday on a thursday
14:03they were smelling like teen spirit and they felt like the world owed them and we've never felt that
14:08way before you know we've never been entitled people and we've you know always just kind of like
14:14had a vision of what we wanted to do and worked really hard to do it and you know for us because
14:19we had to kind of prove ourselves at radio and go across the country and play acoustic guitar and
14:24sing and do the whole thing uh just to kind of prove that we were legit you know it really served
14:29us because that's how we always started out that's how we started writing our music and and doing that
14:34is translating with an acoustic and the voices and so you know honestly here we are just being able to
14:40to write and play and sing but we always know that's really our core and it kind of like transcends
14:45all the musical styles and tastes and and all that stuff and it's really helped us develop our own
14:50unique voice throughout all the years i think so too the other the other thing too as you mentioned
14:54nirvana i kind of forgot about this you know um i i was friendly with one of the guys in the band
15:00he's been made a full member of the foo fighters uh rami jaffe he was in the wallflowers who played
15:04keyboards and he found out that gunner and i were in town i reached out to him we were playing in
15:09baltimore and he said oh i'm here i'm playing with dave we're opening this big thing you know dave
15:13girl was from from baltimore he invited us to the show long and short of it was he came to get us in
15:18huge place sold out and we wound up in their dressing room with just them i mean the door
15:23open and there we are and it's just the band and you know taylor was still around and gun and i
15:28talked to everybody everybody couldn't have been cooler and at the very end of this you know i
15:32noticed that pat smear was kind of sneering at us from across the the hallway and he kind of
15:37walked slowly up to me he said i know you and i said hi pat how are you he goes yeah i'm pat smear
15:43i said yeah i i know pat he said no you don't know this he said i was in a band called the germs
15:48i said yep i i know that he said no we knew you guys your band the strange agents this is in the
15:56late 80s early 90s you were playing at madame wong's chinatown and we were across the alleyway
16:03at hong kong cafe the punk club we'd all heard about your band we all wanted to see your band we
16:09couldn't because it wasn't cool for punkers to hang out with new wavers but i just want you to
16:13know that we knew about you guys i was like well that made the whole thing worth it so it's weird
16:17how we were kids it's weird how it came completely full circle you know yeah and we had a good laugh
16:23over that too but you know honestly to have nelson in a room with the the remnants of nirvana
16:31you know we can all get along it's just music man you know we all say what we say it's in
16:37different ways and you know the fact is i think after you've been doing this for as long as we
16:41have you're right i think when you said earlier you guys have probably met everybody we really
16:46have i mean in our book we've got pictures of us hanging out with guys like david crosby and
16:50you know uh all the the older guys that were kind of our mentors and you know you got people that are
16:56we're still producing young artists now so i think that's the thing that's cool about music is
17:00as long as what you say even if it's writing a hit pop song because that was kind of gunner and my
17:06goal is to actually have hit records um whatever you're doing as long as it's honest it's cool
17:11you know it doesn't have to be the same style just as long as you're honest now you talk about going
17:15to a place to see the foo fighters when you guys walk in there you must be recognized by tons of
17:20people right yeah um it's really it really depends you know it's really more of a generational thing
17:27i think so too yeah i mean it was funny i went to my hoa today to try to get a key to get into the gym
17:32and the girl behind the desk she was uh well she's a woman she said oh my gosh i uh i thought it was
17:37you uh i'm such a huge fan from back in the day and um uh you guys still playing music and that's
17:43the thing is like we've never stopped the only difference was we just aren't on mtv all the time
17:48but then again mtv isn't mtv anymore so it's a different era yeah i was talking about this with
17:54uh before like you know brad gillis told me the story about how they got big because at the time
17:58when they were around mtv didn't have many videos to choose from but you guys became like mtv stars
18:04just because the songs and everything else right well you know he doesn't talk about the fact that
18:09man we tell him when we do gigs with night ranger it was that video for don't tell me you love me
18:14yeah you're right they were like there were like 10 videos when mtv first came out matthew and i
18:18were old enough to remember that was that whole 24 hours a day all music only music thing that bait and
18:23switch they did before they went to game shows and uh mom um but i'm aria yeah but i remember
18:29remember man that the train tracks and that video was like man that looks great matt and i were doing
18:34our club band at the time and we wanted to do what those guys were doing at their level and and now we
18:39get to play shows with them which is really cool but you're right mtv was the world's biggest radio
18:44station basically and at that time you could park it on there with your friends all weekend and have
18:50that playing in the background and have videos playing and doing all that you know our break
18:53came actually from us doing a stint hosting we were pinch hitting for daisy fuentes who was a vj
18:59wow and they flew us uh it was before our album was released they flew us to new york uh our manager
19:04at the time who managed cinderella knew somebody at mtv and they were looking for a host and he talked
19:11them into letting us do it and they said whatever you do don't bring any guitars so of course we brought
19:16guitars and uh they did a countdown show called dial mtv and they filmed all the shows over a three-day
19:24period and so we did all these bumpers and stuff and i grabbed a guitar and started playing uh between
19:31and gunner and i would sing a little bit and then we'd go and so we're doing the countdown show every
19:35day and we filmed the friday show at the end of thursday and they didn't tell us but apparently this
19:43was a real dial-in show people we used to pick up their phone and call in and vote for videos
19:48our first single the first video debuted that friday and it debuted at number one
19:55so it just came out of the pipe huge and we just went from we thought we were ready for it but having
20:01that kind of you know it was like the world's longest overnight success because we've been working
20:05at this for years you know gunner even had to come off of one instrument and learn how to play
20:10guitar and and spend years doing that before we were ever writing our own songs traveling the
20:15world doing that so it looked like it happened overnight but i'll tell you what we really didn't
20:19expect it to explode like that and we had uh let me see love and affection went number one on the
20:23billboard hot 100 after the rain went number six uh uh let me see more than ever went uh what was it
20:30i think 12 and only time will tell was number 18 i mean we had we had some pretty big songs on that
20:35first album but you ever feel like you're being watched yeah dog look at him he's just staring at
20:41you hey but i wonder who gives the dog the food yeah that's me you know right exactly hey so even
20:46even growing up with all sorts of celebrities and stuff were you guys ready to become celebrities like
20:51that so quickly well it's great social proof around us you know we're growing up and everybody seemed to
20:55be harmonizing and writing songs and playing guitar and having a lot of success so are you ready for the
21:00fame that's what he's saying because i'll be honest i was ready for the work but i don't think
21:06i don't i think we really underestimated what it was like and what it was able to be like back then
21:11it's different now i'm just gonna say this we thought we were because we grew up with our dad who
21:14was arguably one of the most famous people in the world like in the 50s it was him and elvis i mean
21:17massively you know he sold half a billion records in his career so he was uh he was a juggernaut
21:23and he had a career that lasted decades but so we thought you know he can kind of keep it together
21:29he wasn't perfect but he did a pretty good job he remained being a really good person and very sweet
21:33person all the way till we lost him so gunner and i thought well we've got uh we got big shoes to fill
21:39but we've seen it happen before and we know that it's possible i'll be honest with you looking back
21:43on it we truly needed each other just to kind of keep keep our minds around it you're nobody can be
21:49prepared for one day going to a shopping mall we write about this in the book to get socks and
21:55underwear nobody wants to help you get what you need or anything people are just not
21:59paying attention to you and then the next week after being on that mtv show you go in and you
22:05have your very first autograph signing at an in-store uh for records at licorice pizza and three layers of
22:12the the same exact mall that you were in the week before are completely filled with screaming girls it
22:17sounds like a jet engine and the cops have to come and close it down and that's that was like that fast
22:23and that severe it sounded honestly if you came to a nelson concert it sounded like a jet engine from
22:28all the teenage girls screaming at us it was awesome you know and by the way anybody that tells you that
22:33they started making music for any other reason than that is lying yeah that is true hey uh real fast what
22:40was it like to uh work with a guy like john kolodner he he helped a lot of bands and kind of uh put them
22:44on the path you know he's really cool man john kolodner the way i look at him uh we owe him a lot
22:50of course and obviously he's got a great background i mean you could stop at acdc alone and signing those
22:56guys but when we were making our bones over there geffen we were competing with aerosmith they were on
23:00their pump record and the the really big white snake record of course uh but john with us was kind of
23:06like the grain of sand in the oyster that's how we all work together he was very aggravating
23:12but he was doing it in a very calculated way it's cool because it's nothing personal he did it with
23:17all of his arms yeah yeah and we you know you know i i tend to be strong-willed matthew's a little
23:21more a little more peaceful uh than than i am but i think john kind of spots that in people
23:27and kind of needles it but it really it made us really want to show him you know and and want to
23:35get better and so by the time we got done picking the songs for the after the rain record and recording
23:39it uh it wouldn't have been even remotely the same without that kind of uh what would you say
23:45that uh here's a john here's a john collard you go into an office with a guy who's dressed all in
23:50white looks like john lennon and he sits there and you you play a song for him that you've written
23:57you've worked really hard at you're really proud of it and he sits and he goes the chorus is wrong
24:03well what's wrong about it john do you not like the melody or the what he's like i don't know
24:07you're the musician you effing fix it and that's that that's a john collard so you have to be left
24:13to kind of go huh all right well we got to do better than that and and also another thing that
24:19came into play with us was as gunner mentioned we were this kind of like baby band that john signed
24:26after he heard uh after two years of us trying to court that relationship over at geffen and he
24:32didn't make it easy on us he really made us work and uh i'll just say this we had to kind of fit our
24:39release schedule not only around the other bands that were making them millions and millions of
24:44dollars you know at the time geffen had three a and r people which is artists and repertoire they
24:48had john collardner gary gersh tom zutat and collectively you know you had one end of the building
24:54uh one a and r guy and they all hated each other by the way they all competed with each other
24:58uh you got guns and roses on this corner of the building you have aerosmith over here you have
25:03a share and whitesnake over here i mean it was crazy i mean what was happening in that one little
25:08building on sunset boulevard and here come this this baby act that's never released anything
25:12trying to get a little bit of oxygen in there around those egos and that much money it was really
25:18hard to to even just get a break there was no guarantee that anything was going to happen for us at all
25:23and when we got the call that david geffen had decided that uh his label was too big and now he
25:30was going to have an offshoot label he was going to call dgc for david geffen company we honest to
25:34god thought we've just been relinquished to the farm team and it's over for us before we even release
25:39you know the psychology that was going through our minds it was it was kind of like psychological
25:44torture to a certain degree but it made us really work hard and we had to rely on each other but
25:49it was it was a tough thing just even getting that album made uh people don't know this and they
25:54read this in the book geffen records or dgc never gave us a penny of tour support we were never given
26:00any money to to go out there and keep you know get on the road and play shows this is an era where it
26:06cost a quarter of a million dollars to make a music video and of course that went on on our accounts
26:11you know we had to pay that back before we made dime one so the reality of it is just like a lot of
26:16these people you know we invested any money that we made right into what we were doing because they
26:21weren't giving us any additional support uh and initially i think john kladner thought that we
26:27were we weren't a live band which is interesting because that's where we started it's just we
26:31focused on songwriting after that we realized in playing clubs for years that either you have a hit
26:37record or hit song or you need them and nobody was going to give us those songs we had to learn how
26:41to write them but we were a live band and we kind of think we kind of proved that but it was it was
26:46all our own money that went into it and the reality of it was when grunge happened we always thought
26:51that we were going to have our second album and that's when we're going to make our money because
26:54we had already been investing in our career and our career was effectively stopped so we actually
27:01ended that like that couple of years kind of being like taylor swift for a couple of years very very
27:05broke millions in debt just like a lot of people do um but we had the most amazing experience and we
27:11write about that in the book as well if somebody came to us and said okay you're going to be millions
27:15of dollars in debt you're going to get to the point of where you're almost going to be dead from the
27:20exhaustion uh you're going to come home to a landscape that you just don't even recognize
27:25at home anymore but you're arguably going to be the most famous twins that have ever lived you're
27:30going to have songs that are going to live for decades would you do it again i'd say where do i sign
27:35yeah right you know all right last thing here for you guys the bio in this bio that they sent me it
27:40says polaroids of groupies that make a biker blush well i'm a biker i've seen i've seen polaroids so
27:46are you looking at them right now well we're bikers too okay yeah uh but uh yeah hey polaroids were
27:54the de rigueur back in the day they were i don't know why they're so sexy but they kind of are um but yeah
28:00we actually we wrote a lot in this book we were we just we disclosed a lot but there's also a lot
28:06that we did not you know so that'll be book number two i suppose but uh this is going to be the gateway
28:12drug to the way our minds work and it's going to be very very surprising that's one thing about this
28:17book is that it uh it really does dispel a lot of the preconceived notions of who matthew and i are
28:24how we were raised uh that we you know we weren't um given everything like i mentioned it's not we
28:31weren't trust fund kids and this wasn't a hobby this was this was actually to be honest with you
28:36making music together was really kind of like a lifeline because we grew up fairly rough we had a
28:42like a lot of people do we had a really addicted mother and she did not want us to to be like our
28:48dad and go into music she made things really really really hard and fortunately we had each other
28:52and we had our our music and our our dream of making it happen and here we are all these years
28:56later we still like each other mostly pretty okay yeah and um we're still making great records and stuff
29:02our way so you know it's kind of a nice thing man it's uh it's kind of nice to be matthew nelson i
29:08suppose it is yeah it is well thank you guys so much for your time what happened to your hair that
29:13comes out on december 16th we'll give that a good plug uh it sounds like a great uh christmas
29:18stocking stuffer as they say it's a good read we get a lot of people that have read it saying i
29:22couldn't put it down and and i laughed out loud a lot so yeah it's this i know we're getting a
29:27little dark here but it's it's all in humor because it is you got to laugh at it man it's
29:32it's been quite a ride and it's not over yet but we had some good times
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