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00:00the feeling of seeing other people play live and the feeling of being on stage myself is just i
00:04want to keep chasing that feeling and always keep pushing myself to keep working on it because i
00:09think i feel like i'm meant to be on that stage rock metal frog and everything in between welcome
00:16to this episode of talking rock with meltdown don't forget to follow the audio only talking
00:21rock podcast on all podcast platforms and now it's time for today's conversation here's meltdown
00:28hey ty good to see you man how are you great man thanks for having me great to see you too
00:33yeah um so the new record uh sweaty pull i guess the four song ep correct that comes out at the end
00:39november early december depending on which uh format you want correct right correct yeah the um
00:44the digital ep releases on december 5th and then the vinyl releases on like the 28th or something
00:53yeah i saw that yeah the 28th uh are you a vinyl guy at all uh any of your any of your buddies vinyl
00:58guys to be honest me not really i actually i don't really listen to much vinyl really i mean
01:05i should get into it but um but um i know like some people like are into vinyl you know a lot of people
01:16are into it so i should get into it though i should yeah so uh before we get into uh auto so
01:23are you i'm i'm trying to figure this out because i didn't see the last leg of the metallica tour are
01:26you currently in in suicidal tendencies that is that another gig for you yeah currently suicidal
01:32tendencies i'm actually um i'm leaving to australia uh later tonight to do a tour with them wow what a
01:39life man that's pretty cool who are you touring with you guys going to be going out with somebody or
01:42or by themselves so we're we're opening for metallica on this stretch and then uh we have
01:47some one-off shoot uh shows too uh on our own oh okay i didn't even i thought metallica was done
01:54for the uh year but they got some shows in australia tell me yeah yeah it was just pretty killer
01:59no that's awesome so um real fast uh were you friends with uh sam rivers
02:04um i like i actually haven't met him but he was man rest in peace gone way too soon um he was a great
02:13great player and um it's just uh yeah it's it's heartbreaking yeah yeah especially when you get in
02:22this business like i am we've lost a lot of uh lost a lot of our favorites uh especially this year
02:27with the ozzy and stuff you knew ozzy didn't you yeah yeah that was uh you know shock and
02:34yeah one of those kind of legends that will live forever no matter what but uh it was such a
02:41magical day seeing him live yeah i was gonna say did you did you go to the back to beginning show
02:47yeah so i went to that um and it was just i couldn't couldn't keep my eyes off the stage it
02:53was like wow just the whole day it was just like incredible yeah i mean i've i'm a lot older than you
03:00obviously it's like i i don't think i've ever seen a rock show like that that was like the like
03:05the metal show of the century definitely yeah did you go to no i had a chance to go with my friend
03:11otto who i was just talking about what you got on but i didn't have i i had a chance but i i didn't
03:16go and of course you know now i look back on myself and kicking myself i should have gone
03:20yeah it was such a such a magical show just every single musicians that got on the stage jam i was
03:29just like wow i can't leave the stage i can't yeah um you know ozzy was like uh when i was your
03:36age man i was just an ozzy fanatic and just a chance just just the fact that you got to know ozzy
03:42that's really cool yeah it was really cool being able to yeah to to meet him you know a couple
03:48times such a such a legend and so influential to uh so many people so it was like wow yeah yeah
03:56and and i was thinking about this before i started talking to you but i don't think that i've ever
04:00interviewed a guy or i'm i'm trying to think of any other guys that where their father and the son
04:05have both played for the same band that's like you know i i think i saw your dad opening up for
04:10metallica in 94 on that tour the uh shit uh the binge and shit tour wow yeah right yeah they they um yeah
04:17they opened up for metallica back in the 90s crazy how the universe goes around yeah i think the last
04:25time i talked to your daddy was here you know obviously for the detroit metallica show and i
04:29asked him about um i was kind of surprised when i asked him about this but i had just gone to see the
04:34um the motown museum with uh charlie benante the day before and he was and he said that he was really
04:40influenced by a motown do you have any influence on motown or is that not in your wheelhouse at all
04:44yeah i mean i've you know i i grew up like listening to it uh you know my dad and family
04:51were like uh play me stuff by different uh different bands it's more more so like funk i would
04:57say um because my dad was really influenced by that and like you would play me like bands like cameo
05:02and stuff and like um so i grew up like hearing it in the car and stuff around and yeah i think as
05:11you get older some of the stuff that you hear when you're when you're in your youth kind of comes
05:15back to you maybe not yet like at your age but you know when you get in your 30s and 40s you're gonna
05:18go oh yeah that's right i remember that from my dad used to play that yeah it definitely comes back
05:23full circle that's totally true yeah so uh tell me about the uh the new four song ep uh sweaty pool you
05:29got uh nick alivari on there as well yeah it's killer so um nick alivari's on the single sweaty pool
05:36check it out it's out um right now the video's out as well um yeah it was just uh just all came
05:44together just kind of like we uh we had this killer instrumental which with this kind of weird slap
05:50bass line i came up with and um and we just all put it together and then uh we were just like well we
05:57we got to figure out like vocally like we want to like some sort of guest on this because it
06:02just it's such a kind of a trippy song like it doesn't really it doesn't really have like a
06:10certain pinpointed genre to it i would say um so i just wanted to make it kind of weird and
06:16out of the box a bit um and then then yeah then nick alivari came to my mind because i grew up
06:23listening to like his vocals and a lot of his stuff so um so yeah we reached out and uh he came on the
06:30track and boom and then the and then along with that track the rest of the tracks also have their
06:36own kind of cool um sound to it so um i'm really uh excited to push this thing out there and uh
06:45just uh present it to uh the world yeah so how come how come a four song ep and not like um you know
06:51like a full record or whatever uh we we wanted to do like a four song ep i think to just get the
06:57momentum started keep the fans a little engaged by like just um kind of a quick batch of songs
07:04rather than like a full record i think um if we did a full record i think it would take a little
07:11longer so i just wanted to just put stuff out there and just get some stuff out there quickly
07:18so do you have other stuff that they're kind of that's kind of like still laying around in the uh
07:22in the recording studio and that yeah there's just some yeah there's still some stuff laying
07:26around like there's some new arrangements and stuff that uh we're gonna have in the works so
07:31excited for that too yeah and all this is gonna have to wait till 2026 i mean you have anything
07:37planned for 2026 as far as a tour or other new music or anything yeah well a couple suicidal shows
07:44and um songwriting and um yeah just uh one of them is coachella which is pretty awesome
07:51suicidal yeah that is really cool yeah so you've probably talked about this a billion times but
07:58how does one get into suicidal tendencies obviously you know they they know your dad and stuff i mean
08:03is that just the connection or do you have to audition how does that work well the crazy thing is is
08:09that um so like mike he knew about my playing for a bit um because after like i did the corn stuff
08:16way back when and then i came to see some suicidal shows growing up so i knew you know i knew mike and
08:22stuff i had that connection but um but yeah i remember i did a fill-in gig actually one fill-in gig for
08:28raw their previous bass player um did a fill-in gig and um i uh did that one thing and then after that
08:39like raw the suicidal was needing like a bass player um so that was coming back after the pandemic
08:48so then mike asked if i was interested in doing some shows um in like 2021 um and then uh yeah then
08:57i agreed to doing it and um we started picking back up and uh i've been in the gym with them ever since
09:04pretty much that's great so when you when you join corn and stuff what is it like to play with a guy
09:09like ray lazier because i i think he's like one of the most talented drummers out there yeah he's a
09:14monster on the drums it was it was really cool to be able to play with play with him as a rhythm
09:19section and like be able to you know catch the energy of the crowd and just like get to know all
09:25those guys like they're one of the bands that got me started playing music so um it was really
09:32just an inspiring experience yeah how many gigs did you play with them you played a couple tours
09:38didn't you i did so i did one tour south america tour for two weeks oh okay one of the most
09:45incredible two weeks ever i can imagine you know what i was doing when i was your age i think i was
09:52like uh i don't know being yelled at by my parents to clean my room or something you're touring south
09:56america that's like that's like unreal do you ever do you ever realize how how like crazy your life is
10:01compared to other kids i mean you grew up in a different part of the world than i did for sure
10:05but it's like it's kind of insane it is kind of insane yeah i'm grateful for it you know and
10:10i always keep pushing myself to um keep uh keep working on it and uh keep it going because i think
10:17uh just you know i feel like i'm meant to be on that stage so yeah yeah i was gonna say like what
10:24where does that drive come from does it does it come from uh your parents does it come from senior
10:29your friends or where does that come from that drive i think it comes from the feeling of playing
10:35live i think the feeling of seeing other people play live and the feeling of being on stage myself
10:41is just i want to keep chasing that uh that feeling and just i want to keep the momentum going
10:47one of the other things i remember talking to your dad about when he was here in detroit a couple years
10:53ago was um i think he said he mentioned going to a club and with uh getty lee from rush and i don't
10:59know if you were with him at that point uh what do you what do you think of the the rush thing coming
11:03back because i mean getty lee obviously one of the most skilled guys out there as well yeah oh yeah
11:08getty lee legend um i think it's really cool and i want to see them live i i've never saw them live
11:15um like at an actual show so i would love to uh to see them play yeah speaking of uh great drummers
11:23neil peard had a chance to see live a few times that guy was on a different planet oh yeah definitely
11:27he's on it yeah and he wrote all the lyrics right like it's crazy yeah he was uh yeah he was a lyric
11:35writer as well uh who writes all the lyrics in your band um so that was uh it's mainly our vocalist
11:42writes all the lyrics um but then sometimes i collaborate and write lyrics like you know
11:49with people so you know depends now obviously you know with your dad being in in all sorts of
11:57bands for years and a legend himself i see you got guitars and basses and you know krk speakers
12:01behind you and stuff how musical is your is your household and like your life are you constantly
12:06surrounded by music yeah i mean there's a lot of music going on in the house like my sister's a
12:11drummer so she's practicing drums um a lot and she has her bands and then um my mom likes to make
12:19music and then my dad obviously and then so there's always music going around like always creativity
12:25which is which is great i heard you talking about your sister being a drummer at one point is she older
12:30or younger than you she's younger yeah and do you guys ever like jam we have jam before yeah
12:36it's fun we're into like some of the same bands like similar bands so it's cool that there's like
12:42a connection there yeah what kind of bands are you into i mean i'm i'm big into like um there's a lot
12:50of like the some of the 90s stuff and some of the 2000s stuff but like you know like queens of the stone
12:55age um like uh equals the death metal failure um you know allison chains um yeah yeah allison chains
13:08is probably my favorite band from uh that era but yeah you mentioned a bunch of a a couple josh
13:12homie projects so yeah he's an influence on what you do huh yeah he's he's killer he's he's great he's
13:19just he did a record with arctic monkeys too i think producing them it was really cool
13:24yeah he's got his hands in a in a lot of stuff yeah it's killer i like that he that he that he
13:31keeps like that inspires me because i i like to be creative in all like sort of platforms and just do
13:37just do a bunch of fun stuff musically and without any uh really rules why do you feel you have rules
13:47now and auto or no oh no i i think when we all get together i think it's very uh natural and i
13:54think we just kind of we build off of each other we come into the space with the open mind and um
14:01we um we improvise and come up with great stuff so yeah i mean that's that's one of the great
14:09things about it is that i think we don't have any rules and that's that's kind of one of the things
14:15that i like really respect about like a lot of the bands i listen to is that they don't really have
14:20any rules on their musical styles so it pushes me to be like yeah i want to do that with the
14:27the band i play in and with everything musically i do now uh one of my friends i remember walking
14:34out of a hockey rink one time and he is a legend in hockey like a first time all-star on first time
14:39hall of famer the whole thing and now he was walking out of his kid's practice and i said
14:43does your kid listen to listen to you when you give him advice he goes absolutely not he never
14:46listens my son's kind of the opposite where he listens to me when i tell him stuff like you
14:52know when it comes to sports or whatever but i mean how much do you listen to your dad about stuff
14:56like as far as writing maybe uh uh you know musical interpretation do you bring stuff to him to listen
15:01to or what yeah i mean i i do and i i listen to him because um you know i he's been in you know he's
15:09he's been on the world longer than me and i y'all i i really think uh listening um to people who are
15:18experienced and uh what you do is really like might as well might as well do it and um you know and see
15:27what they have to say and um yeah it's good it's good to listen to all forms yeah outside of him who are
15:35some of your other bass influences and you started out playing drums too didn't you yeah i was messing
15:40around on drums when i was like two uh for a bit um so that was like kind of my first musical
15:46um thing but uh yeah bass players uh my family friend um and my good friend armand sabalico he's a great
15:57songwriter too he's amazing songwriter amazing bass player him um and then um justin chancellor from tool
16:06um great bass lines uh nick oliveri his bass lines um geezer butler so yeah yeah geezer butler he's
16:19another one that wrote all the lyrics oh yeah definitely yeah he's another one that yeah that did all that
16:24it's pretty cool like multiple forms of talent yeah i don't know if you caught his book uh into
16:31the void but that's a good one to read maybe on your flight tonight yeah maybe i should catch it
16:35did you see i just finished ozzy's book and he he name drops your dad a few times and a bunch of other
16:41guys he uh he played with but uh man i i remember seeing that era of ozzy as well so yeah your your dad's
16:48been around my life for a long time whether whether uh inside whether i knew it or not you know in some
16:53way shape or form but uh well listen dude i'll let you go here uh sweaty pool that comes out you
16:57said november 28th on a vinyl and digital on december 5th and uh four song ep man have fun in australia
17:04that's so cool man thanks man i i can't wait man i'm i just like i'm a beach guy so i i'm a travel
17:11i'm just a travel fanatic so um i'm really excited to just get out there and just play music and just
17:19hang out and uh yeah meet some cool people man and uh yeah everybody keep an eye out for the new
17:26ep coming out very soon and then uh take a listen to the single sweaty pool yeah sweaty pool that's
17:32out right now people can check it out it's heavy duty man there's no holding back there's no rules
17:36on that one oh yeah definitely no rules on that one hi great to talk to you uh send your best to your
17:42dad from uh detroit and safe travels we'll see you maybe next time you're here we'll do yeah see you
17:47next time i'm out there um yeah yeah take care man thank you so much
17:51you
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