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Imelda May - Amhráin na nGael Season 1 Episode 1
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00:00In Dublin's fair city, where the girls are so pretty,
00:05I first set my eyes on sweet Molly Malone.
00:10As she wheeled her wheelbarrow, through the streets broad and narrow,
00:15Crying cockles and muscles, alive, alive, oh.
00:21Alive, alive, oh, alive, alive, oh.
00:25Crying cockles and muscles, alive, alive, oh.
00:31She was a fishmonger and sure was no wonder, for so was her father.
00:39I'm here in my hometown of Dublin,
00:42and I'm trying to find the connection between our Irish language and song.
00:47After travelling the world, I've always felt this fire in me,
00:52a need to explore Irish through music.
00:54It's something I felt removed from for most of me life, in some way or another.
01:01So now I want to learn it, to live it, to sing it.
01:06I'd love to carry a handful of songs with me,
01:09songs that I can learn that will stay with me for all of me life.
01:13I want to meet some of our Irish singing legends,
01:16to listen and to learn from them.
01:19Because it's all belonging to us.
01:21It's not a them and an us, it truly is, an us.
01:27Alive, alive, oh, alive, oh, alive, oh.
01:32Crying cockles and muscles, alive, alive, oh.
01:39Miss Devine had been very proud.
01:41She was!
01:41I'm delighted that you're here chatting with me because I'm, on this discovery, if you like,
01:53I'm questioning lots of things, but also myself, you know, I'm wondering within Irish,
01:59and learning Irish, and speaking on scale, and my fear of it, and the shame that comes in with it,
02:08and the, the, the, the, the, afraid to make you show yourself, was it negative for you?
02:13I think you summed it up with saying the word shame.
02:16The shame that you're up against Irish speakers, and that you, you can't even string a sentence with them.
02:22And now, as an older person, the shame of, oh my God, why didn't I take an interest?
02:28Like, what was in my head that I was embarrassed?
02:31I was embarrassed by the Irish language, I used to be a scarlet for them talking Irish, scarlet.
02:36So you saw?
02:37Yeah, I saw a scarlet for them that they think they're great.
02:40I always found it was more a country thing.
02:43Yeah.
02:43Do you know what I mean?
02:44And not Dublin.
02:45Yeah.
02:45People, you know.
02:46The mullahs, we'd say.
02:47The mullahs up talking Irish.
02:49But, you know, and even, even the teachers in school were always, there was never a Dublin person.
02:54Oh, that's true.
02:55Never.
02:56Yeah.
02:56So that was relatively new.
02:58So Irish wasn't important, a priority to getting ahead in life.
03:03Yeah.
03:03No.
03:04At that time.
03:05So what about, what, what about, because I wish Dad was still here to talk.
03:10Mum always prayed in Irish.
03:13Mum, and she would bring us up.
03:14Mum always said the Hail Mary and the Afal in Irish.
03:17As far, as long as I remember, that's where I learned.
03:20Yeah, that was one thing that Mum did.
03:22She would not fill out a form.
03:24Yeah.
03:24She didn't want to give aunt away, but she'd do it in Irish.
03:28Oh.
03:29Do you remember that?
03:31You do.
03:32I do, yeah.
03:32There was a huge amount of secrecy to giving out information because of the history within the freedom.
03:39Granny was in coming a mum.
03:41Yeah.
03:41Grandad was in fearing a errand.
03:43She'd keep your mouth shut.
03:44You don't tell everybody.
03:45Because they wouldn't remember people getting beaten for speaking Irish.
03:49Yeah.
03:49So bullets in the walls of the blackened towns going down the street that would take a pot shot.
03:54So if you're speaking Irish, yeah, you are a target.
04:00Do you know that the Liberties was a gale tact?
04:02Because a lot of the people that came to the Liberties, they were living outside the Pale and they all spoke Irish.
04:07Because they came from the rest of the country.
04:10Yeah.
04:10Do you have any bits of advice that you'd give me as, you know, my family and friends and, you know, from the inner city and our experience heading out?
04:21It would be great to find out not just what those songs meant, you know, your pronunciation, to be able to carry them forward.
04:29And we'll know and we'll have knowledge that we should have had all along.
04:31What I'd like, though, from your journey to happen is to unify us.
04:36Because there was always the Dublin Jackings and the Cullis.
04:39And we were always enemies, you know, so if I head off and try to learn, like I'm terrified, you know, obviously I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going out of my comfort zone.
04:54But if I was to learn, yeah, yeah, and, and, and being that, that child that you don't want to make a show of yourself, you don't want to get a slap.
05:04If I was to learn one and that, or, or, or to, to come back with a song that I thought maybe a lullaby or something that we'd be able to, to sing, would you come and join me? Would you be up for that?
05:18Love it. I'd love that. That'd be brilliant. I'd love that.
05:22Yeah. And the roles are a person, Melinda, because I used to teach you when you were a little kid and now you're, you're going to teach me.
05:28Oh, that's gorgeous. We're looking forward to that.
05:31Wish you luck as you wave me, goodbye. Well, good luck on your journey. And we're very proud of you. Thank you.
06:09...you were outside.
06:10And I was in a car like this...
06:12...gonna call with me.
06:15But around a day I was in the, I'd like to see you once again...
06:19...but I had to call in this car.
06:20And I was informed as if I was now...
06:22...and I was in the car...
06:24...and I had to be heard of it.
06:26And I was able to call in this car...
06:29...and and I was in the, I think...
06:31... tentang the car we got...
06:34There was a lot of people in the village and a lot of people in the village
06:40were to see the people in the village and the people in the village.
06:45But I was like, I'm going to go to the village and I'm going to go to the village.
06:58The quest, the journey, the voyage.
07:04While I'm in the middle of it, I'll be writing down names of people I should know
07:08or names of people I need to remember, or songs, or, you know,
07:14meanings of words that I don't want to forget.
07:18And as I was here, I wanted to, you know, write down something, I'll scale it.
07:23But when I come to this, I can't even write one word down.
07:27I have such, I just have this awful feeling, don't make a show of yourself.
07:36And that's a terrible relationship to have with your own language.
07:40It's definitely a child, afraid to be, to get it wrong.
07:47So all the more reason for me doing this, and all the more reason for me
07:52heading off on this journey to learn, not just about language, but to learn about, you know,
07:57heritage, songs, you know, just to be able to put me down the water,
08:06um, without fear of drowning, yeah.
08:20It's a good place to start.
08:27So we've known each other a long, long time.
08:40Liam, I adore you.
08:53So we've known each other a long, long time.
08:56You've been, I suppose, a rock for me within something that I've been naturally uncovering
09:03for myself within the Irish language.
09:08So can you tell me first off, as a do, how you're so in touch and how come you're,
09:20you have the language and you're fluent in it and I don't?
09:24I think the Irish, we, the Irish people can let ourselves a little bit off the hook.
09:30I think people are, feel shame and also they're looking at this mountain though.
09:36God, I've never learned this.
09:37I mean, I wish I could.
09:38And yeah, I remember it was a penny dropped that this shame that I had and I still have it.
09:44And I'm, you know, I'm learning language, learning Irish and every time I go to speak the language,
09:51I'm making so much progress on my own, on my own at home.
09:56The words are popping into my head.
09:58But I get so embarrassed to speak it around you or anyone else.
10:03It goes back inside me.
10:05I don't want to make a show of meself for it, you know.
10:09And there's so much, um, pressure, not from anybody.
10:13And I feel it, but there are times even I feel that kind of not good enough.
10:19Not good enough, that's it, totally.
10:22And that's, that's, what does that serve really?
10:26Who knows what's that, what that is serving, that idea.
10:29Yeah.
10:30Yeah.
10:30There's a panic in me.
10:32You can feel it.
10:33There's a, you know.
10:34Yeah.
10:34You can, it's, it's, it's, it's, I mean.
10:36It's energy.
10:36It's energy.
10:37Yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a passion.
10:39There's a, I feel like I'm in a hurry.
10:42Mm.
10:42I'm in a hurry.
10:44It's been too long.
10:46And, uh.
10:48But you know, also, the language comes up through the people.
10:52Playfulness is at the heart of our, of the language.
10:55Playfulness.
10:56I think if you, in person, like, the sounds.
11:00Oh, my God.
11:02Have fun with the, with, and, and also the, the pronunciation is, I think is almost more
11:09important than the vocabulary.
11:11Okay.
11:12But you know, have fun with impersonating.
11:15Your language, that you speak, your daily language, that's Irish.
11:18That is Irish.
11:20So, in a way, I mean.
11:22No, I know.
11:23It's the way you, you work it and lilt it and dance it.
11:26It's, it's, it'll, it'll always reclaim us.
11:29It's our music.
11:29It's our bird song.
11:31It's our songs.
11:32We're a muggle.
11:33We're a muggle.
11:34When we're kind of ball, she's about her.
11:39Couple of fucks.
11:41Well, I'll try my best.
11:42Yeah.
11:42Along the way, to keep it.
11:43Couple of fucks.
11:45Mm.
11:45And just bein' kind of us, you know, bein' kind of us.
11:48Joy.
11:49Yeah.
11:50I'd like to learn more about the tradition of Irish singing in Dublin, how it developed
12:08over time, and I'd like to visit the places today where people can go to sing. I heard
12:15about this fabulous place on Gholián Singers Club, tucked away up in the Teachers Club on Parnell Square.
12:22They say if you want to hear the real stuff, one accompanied, that's where you go.
12:29I was in the middle of the night, and I was in the middle of the night, and I was in the middle of the night,
12:36and I was in the middle of the night, and I was in the middle of the night, and I was in the middle of the night,
12:43and the Str declining. And you think kids should you feel the limit for them to sing
12:49and to sing, in the middle of the night, and in the middle of my heart, to sing listen,
12:58and I'm in touch with youriece again, and the drinking water has now been part of the rest.
13:05I'm not a fan of the
13:06But I'm not a fan of Vicky Bucket
13:09I'm not a fan of the
13:10I'm not a fan of the
13:11I'm not a fan of the
13:14That's right.
13:15Oh, I love it.
13:18Jordan, not so sweet.
13:20Isn't that gorgeous?
13:21You know, from your Irish
13:23that you all have, is that from your parents
13:25that you were brought up with?
13:27Or...
13:29did you just pay attention in school?
13:33I didn't really grow up speaking Irish
13:36other than the bit that you learn in school
13:37so to then learn Irish through songs
13:42definitely feels empowering for me
13:44for someone who didn't grow up speaking Irish
13:47it's sort of giving it back to me a little bit.
13:50Yeah, I totally get that.
13:52I think in Ireland, it's one thing I love
13:54is that when somebody starts singing
13:55it's, shh, can you, can you, let the hole
13:58and it's, it's, it's a, there's a reverence
14:02that I, that I think is such a wonderful thing.
14:05Yeah.
14:06It doesn't matter if you're a brilliant singer
14:07or you can just about string a melody together
14:09in a badly roaring voice
14:11it's about carrying the songs on
14:13and the stories and the universality
14:14that are in those stories
14:15that have made them last.
14:18To be in the teacher's club on a Friday night
14:20and to just be, have a place
14:23where you can be present and listen
14:25and hear a story, you know, there's a famous line
14:30from a poem that's often said in the club
14:32that all the songs are living ghosts
14:34and long for a living voice.
14:37And when we're here listening,
14:39it's like you're getting to hear these,
14:42these ghosts come alive through the singer
14:45and we're hearing these stories
14:47and, but it's all happening in the present moment.
14:50I love that.
14:51It was gorgeous.
15:19I love that.
15:23I'm about to have my first meeting
15:24with El Néos expert and singer,
15:26Lilis O'Leary.
15:29It's time to learn more about the art form itself
15:31and to really start to prepare to sing in that style.
15:35When it stops using dialect
15:38it is very hard to see if it plays
15:48...and they were on the end of the pandemic.
15:53And it was the last one I knew was just...
15:56...the way it was like, oh my God, I didn't know where the medal was...
16:00...but I was here.
16:02And I had the process for me to be there and I don't know.
16:09And I was here, but in real life, I feel like...
16:13We were here in the city,
16:15and we were here in the city,
16:17and we were here in the city.
16:19And I'd like to see if you were not going to be here
16:23and you can see it in the city.
16:25But it's a good day,
16:27and it's a good day
16:29that we didn't have a chance to have a new life
16:31to have a new life.
16:43came to this idea of wanting to learn Irish songs well I basically the more I
16:49think about it the more I'm full of sorrow that I don't mm-hmm and so I'm
16:55trying to discover more about things that I I always felt ashamed that I
17:03didn't know right and I'm accepting that it's not all my fault now your talk now
17:12you're talking so I have to throw off that cloak of shame now yeah did you see me a wee
17:18snatch or something now no I can't you can't I can't why is that this is what I
17:26come up with there's a major wall a wall we're talking about climbing over the
17:30wall are we talking about breaking down the wall breaking down the wall okay if
17:36you were sort of caught up on the shame you couldn't make that step so it's a
17:41saying that you're moving away from that and towards something to do
17:45something about it to actually be active towards this material that you
17:51already know some of there are plenty of you know Dubliners and people from all
17:58over Ireland that aren't in the Grailtocht speak fabulous Irish that's right but I
18:04suppose I'm trying to represent those of us who feel left behind and you feel so
18:09far behind they don't know where to to catch up and I think it's all over the
18:14world people feel that and maybe even more so when you move away the people where I
18:20grew up a lot of them think today is just a burden for them and tell me that they
18:25don't really well they were so poor and they felt left out because it couldn't
18:32speak English in the past I know I didn't know that yeah so tough that bad that feeling
18:40is on both sides yeah I did not know that exactly but in the 19th century after the
18:48famine they were going to school and they were the school was all through English they
18:53had had it could hardly speak English and they always felt that Irish was keeping them
18:58back Irish was a barrier to progress unfortunately there's a lot of trauma around both languages
19:05yeah in the country so singing is one way to get that you learn one then you go on and then you
19:14learn more and then ten years later you realize how little you know yeah and you learn more again
19:19your perspective shifts as time goes on and so on until today if I go I want to try and pick a song for each area to represent each area to begin with you know as a starting point so will you help me will you help me with that
19:41I will we're looking at songs and you're going to I know that you're going to travel around
19:45yes and meet different people in different parts of the country and uh that you're thinking about
19:51Waterford and and Cork and Kerry and Galway and Donegal and South Armagh so it's a it's a it's a bit of a an odyssey
20:05really yeah so you have to expect that on your journey that you're going to meet maybe the same song
20:10but have you heard it song and you didn't know the words you might think it was a different song
20:16oh because it's an oral tradition yeah and it has to be appreciated in the hearing yes
20:24so this is a song called Donalogue that is known in every girl that in the country these songs have become organic in the communities that they're sung in
20:36they change from place to place so even that verse is known everywhere but there are certain words there that you wouldn't find anywhere else
20:46so that sticks that version joins that version to the community
20:51beautiful that it's so good that's beautiful and there'll be arguments then about who has the best version and of course right
20:58will you sing it with me now
21:13that's that's me moving now I have to say that
21:43thanks for singing you're you're you're you're very game you're very game all together
21:48I know you want to do this I do yeah so take me with you and don't forget me
21:55well me hey let me hey let this not Jen jarumud
22:01I got the melody wrong gone again
22:12no I don't know
22:22no I don't think of that
22:24no I'm not good thank you very much
22:26oh my god
22:27no I'm not good sir
22:28I've got me homework to do
22:29I'm so happy with that it's such a beautiful song and I'm feeling and you you sing it so well and you've been really patient
22:38no no you've been really a great pupil your voice is amazing and your dedication to you've already started you you did your preparation before you came here you make great confidence in your ability
22:52I'm really nervous but also very excited this is a long time coming
23:02this is a long time coming and I'm ready let's be having you I'm ready to learn I'm ready to open the doors of the gale talks and see what's ahead of me bring it on
23:20next week I go to Waterford to learn about the difficulties of preserving the Irish language and despite all obstacles how they've kept the oral history alive through song
23:33Those songs were all over rural Ireland but then as the Irish language retreated into the great areas the songs disappeared
23:46As an Irish people we had no history
23:49Those in power write the history and those who suffer write the songs
23:52I think that our old traditions are kind of often overlooked
23:57I think that the people had learned a lot
24:16That's what we have learned a lot
24:20That's what we have learned, I think that our own traditions are the one
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